Pirating is the single best thing you can do to help the industry and remove a monopoly.
Who cares about laws which we didnt have any say on when they were made?
If someone makes a law outlawing computers you are one of the people who would throw your computer in the trash. If a new law said you cant eat beef, you are the one who would stop eating it, if a new law came into place saying you had to let the government install cameras all over your house to prevent terrorism you'd let them do it.
Yeah but music always exists, we dont need it from Sony.
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Why do you figure its only efficient to work at one task at a time? Why cant you work on multiple tasks?
If you cant remember what you did, that does not sound like ADHD, that sounds like you are forgetful.
But ok, lets assume I take you seriously, if these pills are the key to concentration, why arent they over the counter?
If the goal of this is not to be labeled a victim, well why not let everyone access these pills? Why should only the ADHD victims get special privlages, you see my point now? Do you see how it looks?
I'm not saying you cant use these pills if they actually help you, go for it, but if these pills truely do what you say with absolutely no side effects, these pills should be sold over the counter.
If a person has a migrane headache they can go to Walgreens or CVS and buy a bottle of pills for it, why cant the average person buy Ritalin? Why do these same doctors who want all our kids to be on ritalin freak out when kids start using ritalin who dont have the ADHD label?
IF it helps people concentrate, its good for everyone, if you dont want to seem like a victim with a disease, well then why do certain "experts" want to TREAT it like its a disease?
Now i'm not saying you have control over how ADHD is presented, I'm saying its presented wrong, I hear people comparing it to diabetes and asthma instead of manic depression and other personality traits.
This is why I say people are making it seem like ADHD is some kinda disease where all victims need drug treatment. I disagree.
Theres no scientific proof for any of this.
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Theres no scientific proof that ADHD even exists. This is all experienced based. People with ADHD reporting to so called experts, experts watching people with ADHD and conducting studies and tests.
Theres no true fact proof that ADHD is a physical disease. Its not even proven to be a disorder even though its treated like one.
Look, Anger could be considred a disorder, a person whos angry could be angry because of physical reasons, social reasons, or the enviornment, but if I were to declare Anger as a learning disability, and say "Well student X is always angry, this student cant learn, this student needs medication, this student needs to be studied"
This does not solve the persons problem. Please tell me why a person with a short temper is considered "normal" however someone with ADHD has something wrong with them.
Also please explain to me why people who have short tempers just need to take anger management classes, while a person with ADHD must go on all these meds?
Its the SAME kinda problem, I consider ADHD a personality trait. Just like short temper is a personality trait, and manic depression is a personality trait.
Pills can only hide a persons natural traits, it cannot change them. Without pills these people wont know what to do with themselves, I'm not saying ADHD doesnt exist, it does, I'm saying its treated like its some kinda disease that MUST be treated with drugs as the first option when most people in my opinion can learn to manage without drugs.
Now I will back up my claims with proof.
Here is how Ritalin works
"Using a technique called positron emission tomography, or PET, researchers at Brookhaven's Center for Imaging and Neurosciences studied dopamine levels in 11 male subjects. In two sessions, the volunteers were each given a dose of Ritalin, calculated using their body weight to correspond to the doses given to children with ADHD, or a placebo. While their brains were scanned to record dopamine levels, the subjects were asked to rate their feeling of restlessness and "high." Meanwhile, physicians monitored each subject's blood pressure and heart rate.
The results showed that brain dopamine levels increased significantly approximately 60 minutes following ingestion of the drug as compared to the placebo.
"We now know that by increasing the levels of extracellular dopamine, you can activate these motivational circuits and make the tasks that children are performing seem much more exciting," said Volkow. "By raising that level of interest, you can significantly increase the ability of the child to focus on the task."
Volkow added that Ritalin also works to suppress "background" firing of neurons not associated with task performance, allowing the brain to transmit a clearer signal. "Random activation of other cells can distract you, and children with ADHD are easily distracted," she said. "Ritalin suppresses that background firing and accentuates the specific activation, basically increasing the signal-to-noise ratio and increasing a child's ability to focus." Source Source URL
Ritalin works by slowing the brain function down. How do you figure your brain is sharper by doing this? This is equal to taking a 64bit CPU, and running 32bit software in an attempt to filter out "bad" data which you consider "junk" or not u seful to keep the CPU more focused on a single task of say crunching random numbers.
Honestly while this can work, isnt it better to learn to fully use what you have?
Adderall works in the same way, however its a mixture of a few drugs. I am researching it as we speak but so far it seems to be in the same league as Ritalin.
But ok, lets assume you are right, and these drugs are completely safe, harmless with no side effects, lets say these drugs help make the mind sharp and help people concentrate, if this is true shouldnt they be marketed over the counter like anti depression, pain medication, and others?
I have asthma too, the inhaler does not CURE asthma, it simply removes or hides the symptoms.
A cure would be more like a vaccine which prevents you from ever having the symptom again.
When I say pills dont cure, its because they dont, you have to keep taking them for the rest of your life to manage your problems, What I am saying is ADHD is a problem which you can manage without pills, its not as easy to manage without pills but its possilble. Just like you can manage depression and pain without pills.
Just to prove a point right now. I'm going to tell you how many windows I have open. Lets see I'm surfing 1,2,3,4,5,6, 7, 8, 9 websites all at once, I have 1, 2, 3, 4 chat programs open responding to every msg I get, I have the TV on looking at and listening to TV, I have music playing on headphones next to me.
This is my ideal enviornment.
The computer and electronics, it can scale to your pace, the school however does not, perhaps if schools used more technology, a student could learn about what they want whenever they want, and we wouldnt have a problem with ADHD anymore.
If you could learn anything whenever you wanted like you can at home would school really be so bad? You just dont like spending 2 hours doing one thing.
For the last time I never said ADHD doesnt exist, thats like saying ANGER doesnt exist.
What I'm saying is its something everyone has, and its a personality trait, not really a disease or disability.
Look, you dont focus on one thing at a time, well everyone has episodes of this, you just happen to have more of them than average.
But let me ask you a question, when it comes to computers you use these multitasking abilities of your brain to your advantage dont you? Because you can code, listen to music, chat, play a game or two, and research on google all at once, you have the ability to absorb more information at a time.
Its just like a CPU, if a CPU is designed in a RISC or CISC structure, with a 32bit CPU or 64bit CPU, it doesnt matter, it all matters in how that CPU is used, not how many bit.
If you are a multitasker, use your computers to learn with. Becuase you think of so many things all the time I 'm sure you've used google more than a person who only goes online to search for a specific thing.
So next time you have to learn something for school go to google and research whatever it is you are learning, then read the book, then check your notes, then go to another site.
You can still multitask and think about many things at once, as long as they are on the same subject generally.
As far as math goes, I cant do math myself so I cannot comment on it.
I do know I'm not going to take some pills over it.
"Studies with MRIs have been done to compare normal brains with ADD brains while doing various mental exercises. There is a clear difference between the two groups"
The MRI stuff on children is useless students because a childs brain is still developing. Up until the age of about 25, the brain is still growing, your brains final growth happens around the age 18-25, this is when a persons frontal lobes (the very lobes that the MRI studies say are abnormal in ADHD people) happen to mature.
These lobes mature in ADHD people alittle later in some cases, alot of people simply grow out of it, that may be the case with me and maybe not the case with you.
However, its not proven that ADHD is actually a disease, sure a person with ADHD may have a brain that grows slightly differently, this doesnt really prove anything if the brain isnt finished growing when you test it.
Theres alot of childhood features that a person has which they lose as an adult.
The last fact that the victims crowd chooses to ignore is the fact that the human brain is CONSTANTLY rewiring itself. The nodes/connections constantly become more efficient through use.
This means if you do have a problem with your frontal lobes it doesnt really matter, the brain can adapt to this problem by making more connections in another area of the brain which makes up for this, so even if you dont grow out of it, you can learn to change how your brain works.
You can say I'm speaking bullshit but this is absolute fact, everything I say can be backed up by facts, run and do some research on how the brain works, those same people who do these MRI studys on kids state that the adult brain constantly upgrades itself even though physically the adult brain shrinks every year.
So the physical structure of the brain isnt important and cannot be used to measure how efficient the brain is. You also cannot take an MRI of a persons brain as a kid and predict how it will be 10 years later, your brain adapts to use, its no diferent than bodybuilding, someone can take a diet pill, or they can work out, and both people can have the same results. Sure you might have better and faster results with steriods, but the side effects and the fact that you need to keep taking the drug to keep those results might mean its not as good for the long term.
Do some research. I did mine and can post up dozens of URLs if I need to which backs up every single statement or comment(except the lazy gene thing, that was flawed humor)
Yeah like drugs cure depression, anxiety, aggression, and all other problems?
Drugs dont truely cure anything, they hide problems from people who refuse to understand themselves.
If you have a short temper, you can hide it with drugs all you want, but it eventually builds up and you'll bomb something or shoot everyone up at your job, but learning how to manage your anger without drugs you can cure yourself.
You cannot learn to manage your ADD if you hide from it with drugs.
I hated the public education system, but I loved college.
So did I. So do I.
Classes were a formality -- I had to learn everything from books and notes.
Exactly, and I learn in the same way. Learn to teach yourself if you cannot learn in the structured enviornment.
now take drugs to treat my ADD and the results are dramatic. I can actually think about a single subject without simultaneously thinking about 5 or 6 unrelated things.
Slowing your mind down isnt a cure, you can accomplish the same thing with alcohol, what you dont realize is yes you can use drugs, but these drugs work by slowing your brain down, yes you focus better but you also arent as sharp as you could be.
I can remember what it is that I'm working on in the first place. Before I started taking drugs, I would frequently start cooking dinner, get distracted with something else midway through, and then suddenly realize that I had food on the stove when the smoke alarms start going off half an hour later.
You can either learn how your mind works and adapt the enviornment to suit how you think, or you can hide behind drugs. I'll tell you this, at some point you wont have these drugs, and you wont know how to manage your ADD because you used drugs. The same problem happens with people who dont have their anti depressant drugs.
Turning away from the stove to get a can of tomato sauce from the pantry should not result in a person deciding that it's a good time to work on fixing a bug that they found two weeks ago
You dont have to actually DO what you think. I think like that too, but I dont actually DO everything I think. Learn priorities, do whats most important first. You'll never learn to balance your priorities if you use these drugs because this is something you learn from experience, from actually trying for years to balance your priorities.
et this is the "normal" state of affairs for many people who have ADD. ADD is a pain in the ass and drugs allow me and many other people to function almost normally. I resent the suggestion that ADD is imaginary, the result of simple boredom, or just a sign of outright laziness.
I never said ADD is imaginary, I'm saying you dont need pills, I'm saying you can learn how your mind works and how YOU learn, and take advantage of it.
You say you dont learn from lectures in class? Neither do I alot of the time, but theres usually the book and notes, so it doesnt matter, lets also remember I can record the class on video and audio if I need to. So theres no real excuse for me not to do well, this isnt highschool, if you said it was highschool then I'd say you have a valid point, I struggled in highschool as well.
You can live on drugs all you want, I dont think drugs are the solution to personality traits, I do not believe its a good idea to try so hard to be normal that you cease being you due to these drugs.
These drugs remove you from yourself, if you really took ritalin you know exactly what I'm talking about. You also know that your mind isnt exactly as sharp. Sure you can concentrate, but dont try to act like theres no side effects, the ideal situation is to use your ADD as a strength, because you have ADD your brain functions better at certain things than most people, use this to your advantage.
The world is becoming a place where multitasking people are more valueable than so called normal people, you are in college right? I'll give you s
Re:Its called the "Lazy" gene.
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if you are doing so well in school, and you can concentrate well enough to get into MIT, please tell me why you feel you have ADHD? You concentrate better than the average person if you manage to do all the crazy math stuff they do at MIT, I'm going to tell you congrats because I myself cant handle the math stuff.
I agree its a different way of thinking, I'm just saying people shouldnt think of themselves as disabled, or flawed because thats the way its presented. People with ADHD have something wrong with them, or people with ADHD arent normal, when its not true.
People with ADHD are normal in every way, the only difference is, people with ADHD prefer to multitask and get bored focusing on one thing for too long.
This can be used to a persons advantage if they enjoy what they are doing, or it can cause them to never really do something quite right if they hate what they are doing.
You loved school, you did well and ended up in MIT.
Point is ADHD isnt a learning disability as people keep claiming, and I dont really think its some kinda chemical error, its more of a personality trait.
Dont tae the lazy gene thing literally, I'm just proving a point that ADHD is not new, people have been like this for centuries and in the past the label they were given was that they were lazy.
One thing I never hear people consider is that ADHD could be an effect of a higher than average intelligence.
Lets suppose someone has a really high IQ, and their brain is simply going at a pace thats too fast for current methods of teaching to actually compensate, the results could be ADHD.
Consider the fact that "gifted" kids are given that label based on the fact that school is so easy to them that they dont concentrate on it, how is this any different than ADHD.
If something isnt challenging why should a person remain insterested in it for longer than 2 seconds?
I'd like your opinion of what ADHD actually is, the brain disorder crap to me is just that, crap.
Well the person controls the brain. The brain is not something which has a life of its own, it adapts based on how you use it.
Perhaps if they USED their concentrating frontal lobes (yes I've done my research) their frontal lobes would fully develop.
Now, in most people the frontal lobes dont fully develop until they are around age 21-25, kids do not have fully developed brains but people ignore that and expect a kid to behave like an Adult.
Most kids grow out of ADHD. Some Adults however do not, but just because a person doesnt naturally grow out of it doesnt mean they cannot rewire their brain through use.
Meaning you'll never know how to focus if you never actually put effort in trying to focus, your brain adapts to use, not to pills.
I speak from experience, Its not a matter of opinion.
Now, it might just be something people grow out of, or that just be the case with me.
I do know that you'll never solve the problem with pills, I know that much.
People with ADHD could just be kids who find school boring, lets see they dont sit still,they dont pay attention, they dont focus on the class, they talk in class
oh now suddenly they have ADHD? NO!! THEY ARE BORED OUT OF THEIR MINDS
You can label it as ADHD, but ask anyone with ADHD or who was diagnosed with ADHD if they found school "Fun"
If you can find one person with it who actually thought school was fun but couldnt concentrate in class, well then I'll believe you.
Thats exactly my point, kids with ADHD are normal kids who just think school is boring.
Adults with ADHD are normal adults who just think work is boring, the only difference is these people dont know how to force themselves to do things or think about things which are boring.
How have you coped with ADHD, and how have you found it affect your work performance? Do you object to having ADHD?
First stop labeling yourself as a victim, and learn to understand how your mind works. So you easily get bored, you dont really find your job all that entertaining, you arent motivated to go to work.
Ok, heres the solution, focus on being the best at your job, say your job is to type in data as data entry, well yes I know this is a boring as hell job, but you have to keep your mind active, you arent the kinda person who likes to sit still, focus on doing your job better than anyone else, focus on entering the data in as fast as possible, challenge yourself, make a game out of it.
Thats one option.
Another option which is more drastic, quit your job, get a job which is alittle more mentally taxing. Become a programmer, you wont have time to space out if your mind is always busy, keep your mind busy, however make sure whatever you pick while mentally taxing is also somewhat enjoyable.
Do not become a programmer if you do not enjoy problem solving, if you enjoy it you can make a game out of it, it can become entertaining, competitive, and fun.
Overall, ritalin is not the solution, you will ALWAYS have ADHD if you hide behind pills, labels, and make yourself a victim, the only cure for ADHD is accepting the fact that you get bored easily, or that you are lazy, and deciding to change your thinking process.
Changing the way you think takes years, and it happens slowly, so start off learning to focus on things you love to do, spend a few hours playing video games or on the net if you love doing these things, then expand on that, make it 5 hours, then 10, then 12, until you can spend around 12 hours non stop doing one thing.
Once you manage to do this, THEN you use this ability to focus on other less entertaining tasks, and over time, you'll be able to do anything for 12 hours straight, even watch paint dry.
You just have to practice focusing, your brain is setup in such a way that it gets better at focusing and concentrating when you do it more often, pills actually will prevent your brain from ever rewriring itself to deal with your lack of focus.
Try to deal with your lack of focus by teaching your brain to focus on things for long periods of time, it may be difficult at first but eventually you'll become good at it.
Chances are you already know how to focus and choose not to focus on certain things because they are "boring". If thats the case you can change your job, or learn to do things which are boring.
ADHD=Bored Person Syndrome.
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Why dont we name it BPS, every person with so called ADHD if you ask them why they dont pay attention to their task or job, they will tell you its because their task or job is borinng, its not exciting, etc.
I have not met one person who has REAL ADHD, meaning a person who cant even focus on doing what they like to do.
People with ADHD somehow manage to spend hours watching cartoons, playing video games, hacking on the internet, coming to sites like slashdot, so on and so forth.
These people however cant focus on their job, their school work, you know, the more boring aspects of life.
Theres two solutions, learn that life isnt all fun and games and that the majority of a persons life is just plain boring, and accept it. OR you can take pills, hide behind the ADHD, label yourself as inferior to "Normal" people, and try to get special benefits and privileges.
Now, if I had a job where I had to do Algebra and Calculus problems, suddenly I'd have ADHD as well, I'd fall asleep, or sooner look at butterflies before I could do that for 12 hours a day.
However, give me a job where I get to play PC games all day, or watch TV all day, suddenly I'm alert, and awake with no problem.
So go figure people, if you have ADHD, its not new, people have been lazy for centuries, people have had to do boring things for centuries, and thats part of life, adapt.
Its called the "Lazy" gene.
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People who are Lazy in school have ADHD. Why act like a victim? So you dont like your job? You are lazy? Just admit to yourself first of all that you are being lazy. You'll never solve your ADHD problem if you think of yourself as disabled.
Second, after you figure out the problem is in your own thinking, set priorities, if you arent paying attention at work perhaps you need a more exciting job, a more interesting job.
Look I've been there, I've had Jobs and I've been in classes which were so boring I'd literally space out the whole class, draw stuff, or fall asleep simply because the job or task I was doing was not mentally stimulating enough to keep my interest.
This happens to everyone, not just you, you can blame ADHD and take pills to help you concentrate on something you arent interested in, or you can learn to do things which you have absolutely no interest in to make money.
Just like you force yourself to do homework you arent interested in, or force yourself to study, its not fun, but you must learn as a person to make yourself do things because you have to be done.
ADHD is not a disease in my opinion, its just people refusing to do things they arent interested in.
The same person or kid who has ADHD happens to be the computer hacker who spends hours on the internet, or the kid who spends hours playing video games, or the guy who can code 12 hours straight.
Do you think its fair that Sen Hatch destroy the whole PC industry just to fight some music pirates?
I have to ask you all, why the hell does our government favor certain industries over others?
What the hell? Since when was the Music/Movie industry more important than the electronics/PC industry?
People will stop buying Broadband internet access, they will stop buying CD burners, DVD burners, fancy soundcards,headphones,speakers, etc etc.
The main cause of PC industry growth right now is Piracy, File sharing, whatever you want to call it, its doing more for our economy than the Music Industry.
The Movie Industry is immune to this because the theaters are selling more tickets than ever, I've went to see more movies this year than I ever have in my life.
Why protect a dead industry if the cost of protecting that industry is more than its worth?
File Sharing has been good for the economy, people buy broadband, people buy bigger harddrives, newer computers, better headphones and speaker, a new soundcard, a CD burner, a DVD burner, a portable MP3 player.
These are all of the things I've purchased with MY money, these things equal more than what I would have spent if I were to just buy 10 CDs or something.
So why do they want to destroy the whole PC industry to save the music industry? It doesnt make sense to me when most of Sonys sales, most of AOLs sales, come from the so called pirates. Those same pirates are the ones who pay AOL to connect to these file sharing apps.
But nooo, AOL has to be greedy and try to make you pay to connect to the net, buy their DVD burner, CD burner, and pay for the content.
Well imagine how successful ISPs would be if we had to pay for every website, $1 a site, how many people would surf the web for $1 a site? I wouldnt. Would you?
Why ruin the whole PC industry to save one business when theres 20-30 other businesses which benefit from piracy?
This isnt about economics, this isnt political, this is a power move, Disney has more power than Intel, Time Warner has more power than AOL, Sony's Movies Division has more power than Sonys electronics division.
What these dumb companies cant understand is, that their electronics divisions wont exist if they end piracy.
People wont bother buying a CD burner, at least not in these numbers, People wont buy VCRs, DVD burners, new soundcards for their PC, and all these little blank CDs.
Next time the RIAA complains about how many billions of dollars they lose on piracy, perhaps they should mention all of the billions they gain in terms of blank CDs, CD burners, DVD burners, and broadband internet access.
This industry could be huge, or a few greedy people can destroy it.
Mr. Sketch, what is your opinion? DO you think the Broadband/PC/Electronics industry will be bigger, or will the Media/Music/Content industry be bigger?
Thats exactly my point, Kids living in New York and other big Cities need help. The reason crime and drugs are so popular in places like this is because kids have no supervision.
In NYC you can get drugs on about every corner, when you walk out of a youth group the dealers will be happy to tempt you.
Yes but with good Adult role models and other options availible to you, the average person will decline those offers. But hey if when you go out your house and thats all there is, nothing but the underworld on every corner and theres nothing positive around you, its alot harder.
"How will you get kids to go to your community centers instead of parties?"
You design community centers to be as fun as parties, minus the alcohol and drugs. Give the kids what they want so they wont have a reason to party, if the kids want a skate park build an indoor skatepark in the after school center, if they want TV, give them a nice huge screen TV to watch their favorite movies. Give kids access to things kids like and they wont have reasons to go to parties seeking excitement. There are safe ways to bring excitement to kids without drugs being involved, why cant an Adult look at MTV, theres no druggies on MTV, but everyone is having fun, kids want fun with a bit of risk, you can give them extreme sports like skateboarding/blading etc, you can give them video games, you can give them all these great options which dont involve drugs, and you can leave the door open so they can leave so the choice is all theirs.
No one forces the kids to go it these centers, these centers have to make kids want to hang out there by doing their research.
This is why we need government money, for the R&D, for the research, and for the actual building of the center. This is a program which would require billions of dollars, clubs, stores, and casinos all spend billions of dollars figuring out what Adults want, the Bar is designed to be the perfect hangout for Adults, pool table, a few video games, drinks, posters of women on the wall, tv with sports playing, some gambling, this is what an Adult wants and alot of R&D along with marketing has made it cool to hang out in places like these.
Kids need their own drug fee clubs, they need parties which are supervised but Adults should give them they freedom they need. Why cant we build a dancefloor designed for teenagers, put all the adult features into it, minus the alcohol and drugs. "I'm sure some people want a way out, but those people are going to need more than Hanzo's Local Youth Group opening up in their city."
You have to start somewhere. Currently alot of places dont have any youth center, they have nothing. The places which do have youth centers dont spend enough money on them, or they design them as an afterschool instead of a hangout.
Youth Centers are the first step, the second step is to provide saftey in school from bullies. When kids get bullied in school they are more likely to join gangs. We should expell kids who bully other kids and put these bullies into a school with other bullies like them. This would solve the problem to some extent or at least it would break the problem down in an attempt to solving it, then we can focus on helping these bullies fix their own mental problems which causes them to be a bully.
I find it hard to understand or believe why if a kid has ADD or ADHD(whatever we call this now), that these kids get put into special classes or special schools, and get put on all these drugs, they great treated like somethings wrong with them, while bullies on the other hand we just ignore them, we dont seperate them from the general population, we just let them bully our kids and when our kids go to the teacher we do nothing about it?
It doesnt make any sense, bullies should be seperated from the regular students. If we can seperate people with ADHD, why are we so kind to bullies who are FAR worse?
Bullies should be spotted in first-fifth grade, then put i
"I disagree. A privately funded Non-Profit Organization (churches, etc.) can provide exactly what you want without the government involved. Kids get quality afterschool care by people who volunteer to help them and they get whatever diversity is available in the area."
Ok ill take you up on this bet. Would a Church in South Central or Harlem New York have as much money in donations as a Church in Boston, New York City, or Suburban Silicon Valley Cali?
Your method still wouldnt solve the problem that poor people dont have as much money to donate as rich people do, and rich people will only donate to things in their own Area.
I never said it did. You asked me what my solution was, and I said to rehabilitate juveniles. That's my solution. Juveniles do NOT go to jail. Juveniles go to a juvenile detention center aimed at rehabilitation.
Kiddie Jail is even worse than real Jail because alot of people assume that there isnt alot of bad people there. I suggest you talk to some people who went to these jails, alot of them got raped, bullied, etc and are very disturbed people.
You say a kid chooses to be a criminal, but alot of kids simply make bad choices which lead them into the criminal life. If you get bullied enough you might join a gang, and that gang might start selling drugs and suddenly you are a criminal.
You see, I consider myself lucky, I didnt have access to guns due to the gun control laws, my schools had metal detectors, I couldnt get a weapon if I wanted to, but alot of kids have parents who just leave a shotgun on the table, you know a kid whos getting bullied constantly in school is going to think about using that shotgun.
It doesnt make the kid bad or evil, its just a kid who cannot handle the world they are living in, perhaps we need to give kids more options to choose from.
Here you go assuming alot of things. I didn't assume anything. If you spent 24hrs a day 7 days a week 52.X weeks a year researching, you couldn't get all the information to inform yourself enough to vote on everything. Also, if everyone can't vote it isn't democracy, and if everyone isn't qualified, democracy doesn't work.
Did you know stunguns and bullet proof vests are illegal in certain states? When certain weapons are "illegal" it removes our right to defend ourselves. And the illegalization of firearms is contrary to the second ammendment and therefore unconstitutional.
The problem with the private sector is quality. I find that to be the problem with the public sector.
Imagine if churches were private sector and paid for by corperations via sponserships. They are private sector. The government can't run churches. They're private NPOs.
Theres some things that the private sector can never be good at, Kids arent livestock but the private sector will treat them like livestock because the only thing the private sector cares about is profit. Public schools treat them more like livestock than any private afterschool care I've ever heard of. My grandmother and great aunt work for a church-run afterschool care program for elementary school students. They take no money from the government and are funded solely by private donations (and what they charge the parents, which isn't a hell of a lot). Why do they do it? They love kids and want kids to have a safe place to be where they'll be taught good values.
Alot of people do need healthcare, I agree. Everyone needs healthcare.
consider the fact that people are losing their jobs and without a job how do you go to the hospital when sick? It's called health insurance. Trusting your job to provide it is stupid. Actually, trusting your job to provide any insurance is stupid because they can fire you and fuck you over. Buy your own; it's not that expensive.
College doesnt provide it, you have to pay for it. I pay no more tution if I'm sick or healthy. I'm sure it factors in, but they provide it as a service to every student.
Once upon a time, there was a great depression, the economy was shit, how did our government solve it? I believe the answer we're looking for here is World War II. We got involved, kicked up production, and revitalized the economy.
Social Security, and other programs which gave workers confidence. By providing a safety net workers were more willing to go to work, knowing they will be protected when they retire. Riiiiight. They didn't work until we went to war and the military started spending enough money to win it. If people are unwilling to go to work, that's their problem. I'm not paying for them to be lazy with the excuse of distrust.
You just dont understand. People dont become doctors for the money, so private doctors have no more incentive to be a good doctor than public doctors. If your reason for becoming a doctor was to help people, you'd be motivated to be the best at doing this because you want to be as efficient as possible at helping and curing people. Doctors, Teachers, Firemen, Police, these jobs shouldnt pay alot of money, it should pay enough money for them to get by, doctors make plenty of money. You can help people in lots of ways. Doctors choose to be doctors instead of teachers for a reason. One of those reasons is money. I agree that they shouldn't be paid a lot, but they should be paid enough for them to live comfortably, not just to get by. People who do a valuable service to society should be compensated accordingly.
Paying teachers more money wont make them care about what they are doing. No, but when a person cares about teaching kids but also cares about providing for their own kids, they'll more likely choose the latter. I'm not saying to make them rich, but just to pay them in proportion to the service they provide.
We should provide teachers with job security, meaning it shouldnt be easy to fire the
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Learn how to get modded up before you make comments Mr.Coward.
Theres a reason I have nearly infinite Karma, theres a reason I get modded up on almost every post.
Thats just it, people arrent paying a premium for it anymore, the market is finally balancing itself out.
This is a good thing. Its how capitalism works.
Things will change as people stop supporting the monopoly.
Pirating is the single best thing you can do to help the industry and remove a monopoly.
Who cares about laws which we didnt have any say on when they were made?
If someone makes a law outlawing computers you are one of the people who would throw your computer in the trash. If a new law said you cant eat beef, you are the one who would stop eating it, if a new law came into place saying you had to let the government install cameras all over your house to prevent terrorism you'd let them do it.
Yeah but music always exists, we dont need it from Sony.
Why do you figure its only efficient to work at one task at a time? Why cant you work on multiple tasks?
If you cant remember what you did, that does not sound like ADHD, that sounds like you are forgetful.
But ok, lets assume I take you seriously, if these pills are the key to concentration, why arent they over the counter?
If the goal of this is not to be labeled a victim, well why not let everyone access these pills? Why should only the ADHD victims get special privlages, you see my point now? Do you see how it looks?
I'm not saying you cant use these pills if they actually help you, go for it, but if these pills truely do what you say with absolutely no side effects, these pills should be sold over the counter.
If a person has a migrane headache they can go to Walgreens or CVS and buy a bottle of pills for it, why cant the average person buy Ritalin? Why do these same doctors who want all our kids to be on ritalin freak out when kids start using ritalin who dont have the ADHD label?
IF it helps people concentrate, its good for everyone, if you dont want to seem like a victim with a disease, well then why do certain "experts" want to TREAT it like its a disease?
Now i'm not saying you have control over how ADHD is presented, I'm saying its presented wrong, I hear people comparing it to diabetes and asthma instead of manic depression and other personality traits.
This is why I say people are making it seem like ADHD is some kinda disease where all victims need drug treatment. I disagree.
Theres no scientific proof that ADHD even exists. This is all experienced based. People with ADHD reporting to so called experts, experts watching people with ADHD and conducting studies and tests.
Theres no true fact proof that ADHD is a physical disease. Its not even proven to be a disorder even though its treated like one.
Look, Anger could be considred a disorder, a person whos angry could be angry because of physical reasons, social reasons, or the enviornment, but if I were to declare Anger as a learning disability, and say "Well student X is always angry, this student cant learn, this student needs medication, this student needs to be studied"
This does not solve the persons problem. Please tell me why a person with a short temper is considered "normal" however someone with ADHD has something wrong with them.
Also please explain to me why people who have short tempers just need to take anger management classes, while a person with ADHD must go on all these meds?
Its the SAME kinda problem, I consider ADHD a personality trait. Just like short temper is a personality trait, and manic depression is a personality trait.
Pills can only hide a persons natural traits, it cannot change them. Without pills these people wont know what to do with themselves, I'm not saying ADHD doesnt exist, it does, I'm saying its treated like its some kinda disease that MUST be treated with drugs as the first option when most people in my opinion can learn to manage without drugs.
Now I will back up my claims with proof.
Here is how Ritalin works
"Using a technique called positron emission tomography, or PET, researchers at Brookhaven's Center for Imaging and Neurosciences studied dopamine levels in 11 male subjects. In two sessions, the volunteers were each given a dose of Ritalin, calculated using their body weight to correspond to the doses given to children with ADHD, or a placebo. While their brains were scanned to record dopamine levels, the subjects were asked to rate their feeling of restlessness and "high." Meanwhile, physicians monitored each subject's blood pressure and heart rate.
The results showed that brain dopamine levels increased significantly approximately 60 minutes following ingestion of the drug as compared to the placebo.
"We now know that by increasing the levels of extracellular dopamine, you can activate these motivational circuits and make the tasks that children are performing seem much more exciting," said Volkow. "By raising that level of interest, you can significantly increase the ability of the child to focus on the task."
Volkow added that Ritalin also works to suppress "background" firing of neurons not associated with task performance, allowing the brain to transmit a clearer signal. "Random activation of other cells can distract you, and children with ADHD are easily distracted," she said. "Ritalin suppresses that background firing and accentuates the specific activation, basically increasing the signal-to-noise ratio and increasing a child's ability to focus."
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Ritalin works by slowing the brain function down. How do you figure your brain is sharper by doing this? This is equal to taking a 64bit CPU, and running 32bit software in an attempt to filter out "bad" data which you consider "junk" or not u seful to keep the CPU more focused on a single task of say crunching random numbers.
Honestly while this can work, isnt it better to learn to fully use what you have?
Adderall works in the same way, however its a mixture of a few drugs. I am researching it as we speak but so far it seems to be in the same league as Ritalin.
But ok, lets assume you are right, and these drugs are completely safe, harmless with no side effects, lets say these drugs help make the mind sharp and help people concentrate, if this is true shouldnt they be marketed over the counter like anti depression, pain medication, and others?
Think about this.
I have asthma too, the inhaler does not CURE asthma, it simply removes or hides the symptoms.
A cure would be more like a vaccine which prevents you from ever having the symptom again.
When I say pills dont cure, its because they dont, you have to keep taking them for the rest of your life to manage your problems, What I am saying is ADHD is a problem which you can manage without pills, its not as easy to manage without pills but its possilble. Just like you can manage depression and pain without pills.
Why do people want to take the easy way out?
Just to prove a point right now. I'm going to tell you how many windows I have open. Lets see I'm surfing 1,2,3,4,5,6, 7, 8, 9 websites all at once, I have 1, 2, 3, 4 chat programs open responding to every msg I get, I have the TV on looking at and listening to TV, I have music playing on headphones next to me.
This is my ideal enviornment.
The computer and electronics, it can scale to your pace, the school however does not, perhaps if schools used more technology, a student could learn about what they want whenever they want, and we wouldnt have a problem with ADHD anymore.
If you could learn anything whenever you wanted like you can at home would school really be so bad? You just dont like spending 2 hours doing one thing.
For the last time I never said ADHD doesnt exist, thats like saying ANGER doesnt exist.
What I'm saying is its something everyone has, and its a personality trait, not really a disease or disability.
Look, you dont focus on one thing at a time, well everyone has episodes of this, you just happen to have more of them than average.
But let me ask you a question, when it comes to computers you use these multitasking abilities of your brain to your advantage dont you? Because you can code, listen to music, chat, play a game or two, and research on google all at once, you have the ability to absorb more information at a time.
Its just like a CPU, if a CPU is designed in a RISC or CISC structure, with a 32bit CPU or 64bit CPU, it doesnt matter, it all matters in how that CPU is used, not how many bit.
If you are a multitasker, use your computers to learn with. Becuase you think of so many things all the time I 'm sure you've used google more than a person who only goes online to search for a specific thing.
So next time you have to learn something for school go to google and research whatever it is you are learning, then read the book, then check your notes, then go to another site.
You can still multitask and think about many things at once, as long as they are on the same subject generally.
As far as math goes, I cant do math myself so I cannot comment on it.
I do know I'm not going to take some pills over it.
"Studies with MRIs have been done to compare normal brains with ADD brains while doing various mental exercises. There is a clear difference between the two groups"
The MRI stuff on children is useless students because a childs brain is still developing. Up until the age of about 25, the brain is still growing, your brains final growth happens around the age 18-25, this is when a persons frontal lobes (the very lobes that the MRI studies say are abnormal in ADHD people) happen to mature.
These lobes mature in ADHD people alittle later in some cases, alot of people simply grow out of it, that may be the case with me and maybe not the case with you.
However, its not proven that ADHD is actually a disease, sure a person with ADHD may have a brain that grows slightly differently, this doesnt really prove anything if the brain isnt finished growing when you test it.
Theres alot of childhood features that a person has which they lose as an adult.
The last fact that the victims crowd chooses to ignore is the fact that the human brain is CONSTANTLY rewiring itself. The nodes/connections constantly become more efficient through use.
This means if you do have a problem with your frontal lobes it doesnt really matter, the brain can adapt to this problem by making more connections in another area of the brain which makes up for this, so even if you dont grow out of it, you can learn to change how your brain works.
You can say I'm speaking bullshit but this is absolute fact, everything I say can be backed up by facts, run and do some research on how the brain works, those same people who do these MRI studys on kids state that the adult brain constantly upgrades itself even though physically the adult brain shrinks every year.
So the physical structure of the brain isnt important and cannot be used to measure how efficient the brain is. You also cannot take an MRI of a persons brain as a kid and predict how it will be 10 years later, your brain adapts to use, its no diferent than bodybuilding, someone can take a diet pill, or they can work out, and both people can have the same results. Sure you might have better and faster results with steriods, but the side effects and the fact that you need to keep taking the drug to keep those results might mean its not as good for the long term.
Do some research. I did mine and can post up dozens of URLs if I need to which backs up every single statement or comment(except the lazy gene thing, that was flawed humor)
Yeah like drugs cure depression, anxiety, aggression, and all other problems?
Drugs dont truely cure anything, they hide problems from people who refuse to understand themselves.
If you have a short temper, you can hide it with drugs all you want, but it eventually builds up and you'll bomb something or shoot everyone up at your job, but learning how to manage your anger without drugs you can cure yourself.
You cannot learn to manage your ADD if you hide from it with drugs.
I hated the public education system, but I loved college.
So did I. So do I.
Classes were a formality -- I had to learn everything from books and notes.
Exactly, and I learn in the same way. Learn to teach yourself if you cannot learn in the structured enviornment.
now take drugs to treat my ADD and the results are dramatic. I can actually think about a single subject without simultaneously thinking about 5 or 6 unrelated things.
Slowing your mind down isnt a cure, you can accomplish the same thing with alcohol, what you dont realize is yes you can use drugs, but these drugs work by slowing your brain down, yes you focus better but you also arent as sharp as you could be.
I can remember what it is that I'm working on in the first place. Before I started taking drugs, I would frequently start cooking dinner, get distracted with something else midway through, and then suddenly realize that I had food on the stove when the smoke alarms start going off half an hour later.
You can either learn how your mind works and adapt the enviornment to suit how you think, or you can hide behind drugs. I'll tell you this, at some point you wont have these drugs, and you wont know how to manage your ADD because you used drugs. The same problem happens with people who dont have their anti depressant drugs.
Turning away from the stove to get a can of tomato sauce from the pantry should not result in a person deciding that it's a good time to work on fixing a bug that they found two weeks ago
You dont have to actually DO what you think. I think like that too, but I dont actually DO everything I think. Learn priorities, do whats most important first. You'll never learn to balance your priorities if you use these drugs because this is something you learn from experience, from actually trying for years to balance your priorities.
et this is the "normal" state of affairs for many people who have ADD. ADD is a pain in the ass and drugs allow me and many other people to function almost normally. I resent the suggestion that ADD is imaginary, the result of simple boredom, or just a sign of outright laziness.
I never said ADD is imaginary, I'm saying you dont need pills, I'm saying you can learn how your mind works and how YOU learn, and take advantage of it.
You say you dont learn from lectures in class? Neither do I alot of the time, but theres usually the book and notes, so it doesnt matter, lets also remember I can record the class on video and audio if I need to. So theres no real excuse for me not to do well, this isnt highschool, if you said it was highschool then I'd say you have a valid point, I struggled in highschool as well.
You can live on drugs all you want, I dont think drugs are the solution to personality traits, I do not believe its a good idea to try so hard to be normal that you cease being you due to these drugs.
These drugs remove you from yourself, if you really took ritalin you know exactly what I'm talking about. You also know that your mind isnt exactly as sharp. Sure you can concentrate, but dont try to act like theres no side effects, the ideal situation is to use your ADD as a strength, because you have ADD your brain functions better at certain things than most people, use this to your advantage.
The world is becoming a place where multitasking people are more valueable than so called normal people, you are in college right? I'll give you s
if you are doing so well in school, and you can concentrate well enough to get into MIT, please tell me why you feel you have ADHD? You concentrate better than the average person if you manage to do all the crazy math stuff they do at MIT, I'm going to tell you congrats because I myself cant handle the math stuff.
I agree its a different way of thinking, I'm just saying people shouldnt think of themselves as disabled, or flawed because thats the way its presented. People with ADHD have something wrong with them, or people with ADHD arent normal, when its not true.
People with ADHD are normal in every way, the only difference is, people with ADHD prefer to multitask and get bored focusing on one thing for too long.
This can be used to a persons advantage if they enjoy what they are doing, or it can cause them to never really do something quite right if they hate what they are doing.
You loved school, you did well and ended up in MIT.
Point is ADHD isnt a learning disability as people keep claiming, and I dont really think its some kinda chemical error, its more of a personality trait.
Dont tae the lazy gene thing literally, I'm just proving a point that ADHD is not new, people have been like this for centuries and in the past the label they were given was that they were lazy.
One thing I never hear people consider is that ADHD could be an effect of a higher than average intelligence.
Lets suppose someone has a really high IQ, and their brain is simply going at a pace thats too fast for current methods of teaching to actually compensate, the results could be ADHD.
Consider the fact that "gifted" kids are given that label based on the fact that school is so easy to them that they dont concentrate on it, how is this any different than ADHD.
If something isnt challenging why should a person remain insterested in it for longer than 2 seconds?
I'd like your opinion of what ADHD actually is, the brain disorder crap to me is just that, crap.
AC, and who controls the brain?
Well the person controls the brain. The brain is not something which has a life of its own, it adapts based on how you use it.
Perhaps if they USED their concentrating frontal lobes (yes I've done my research) their frontal lobes would fully develop.
Now, in most people the frontal lobes dont fully develop until they are around age 21-25, kids do not have fully developed brains but people ignore that and expect a kid to behave like an Adult.
Most kids grow out of ADHD. Some Adults however do not, but just because a person doesnt naturally grow out of it doesnt mean they cannot rewire their brain through use.
Meaning you'll never know how to focus if you never actually put effort in trying to focus, your brain adapts to use, not to pills.
I speak from experience, Its not a matter of opinion.
Now, it might just be something people grow out of, or that just be the case with me.
I do know that you'll never solve the problem with pills, I know that much.
People with ADHD could just be kids who find school boring, lets see they dont sit still,they dont pay attention, they dont focus on the class, they talk in class
oh now suddenly they have ADHD? NO!! THEY ARE BORED OUT OF THEIR MINDS
You can label it as ADHD, but ask anyone with ADHD or who was diagnosed with ADHD if they found school "Fun"
If you can find one person with it who actually thought school was fun but couldnt concentrate in class, well then I'll believe you.
The cure for ADHD is to force yourself to sit down and concentrate.
No one says its easy or fun. I myself cant handle caffeine because it makes me nervous and unstable.
Thats exactly my point, kids with ADHD are normal kids who just think school is boring.
Adults with ADHD are normal adults who just think work is boring, the only difference is these people dont know how to force themselves to do things or think about things which are boring.
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How have you coped with ADHD, and how have you found it affect your work performance? Do you object to having ADHD?
First stop labeling yourself as a victim, and learn to understand how your mind works. So you easily get bored, you dont really find your job all that entertaining, you arent motivated to go to work.
Ok, heres the solution, focus on being the best at your job, say your job is to type in data as data entry, well yes I know this is a boring as hell job, but you have to keep your mind active, you arent the kinda person who likes to sit still, focus on doing your job better than anyone else, focus on entering the data in as fast as possible, challenge yourself, make a game out of it.
Thats one option.
Another option which is more drastic, quit your job, get a job which is alittle more mentally taxing. Become a programmer, you wont have time to space out if your mind is always busy, keep your mind busy, however make sure whatever you pick while mentally taxing is also somewhat enjoyable.
Do not become a programmer if you do not enjoy problem solving, if you enjoy it you can make a game out of it, it can become entertaining, competitive, and fun.
Overall, ritalin is not the solution, you will ALWAYS have ADHD if you hide behind pills, labels, and make yourself a victim, the only cure for ADHD is accepting the fact that you get bored easily, or that you are lazy, and deciding to change your thinking process.
Changing the way you think takes years, and it happens slowly, so start off learning to focus on things you love to do, spend a few hours playing video games or on the net if you love doing these things, then expand on that, make it 5 hours, then 10, then 12, until you can spend around 12 hours non stop doing one thing.
Once you manage to do this, THEN you use this ability to focus on other less entertaining tasks, and over time, you'll be able to do anything for 12 hours straight, even watch paint dry.
You just have to practice focusing, your brain is setup in such a way that it gets better at focusing and concentrating when you do it more often, pills actually will prevent your brain from ever rewriring itself to deal with your lack of focus.
Try to deal with your lack of focus by teaching your brain to focus on things for long periods of time, it may be difficult at first but eventually you'll become good at it.
Chances are you already know how to focus and choose not to focus on certain things because they are "boring". If thats the case you can change your job, or learn to do things which are boring.
Why dont we name it BPS, every person with so called ADHD if you ask them why they dont pay attention to their task or job, they will tell you its because their task or job is borinng, its not exciting, etc.
I have not met one person who has REAL ADHD, meaning a person who cant even focus on doing what they like to do.
People with ADHD somehow manage to spend hours watching cartoons, playing video games, hacking on the internet, coming to sites like slashdot, so on and so forth.
These people however cant focus on their job, their school work, you know, the more boring aspects of life.
Theres two solutions, learn that life isnt all fun and games and that the majority of a persons life is just plain boring, and accept it. OR you can take pills, hide behind the ADHD, label yourself as inferior to "Normal" people, and try to get special benefits and privileges.
Now, if I had a job where I had to do Algebra and Calculus problems, suddenly I'd have ADHD as well, I'd fall asleep, or sooner look at butterflies before I could do that for 12 hours a day.
However, give me a job where I get to play PC games all day, or watch TV all day, suddenly I'm alert, and awake with no problem.
So go figure people, if you have ADHD, its not new, people have been lazy for centuries, people have had to do boring things for centuries, and thats part of life, adapt.
People who are Lazy in school have ADHD. Why act like a victim? So you dont like your job? You are lazy? Just admit to yourself first of all that you are being lazy. You'll never solve your ADHD problem if you think of yourself as disabled.
Second, after you figure out the problem is in your own thinking, set priorities, if you arent paying attention at work perhaps you need a more exciting job, a more interesting job.
Look I've been there, I've had Jobs and I've been in classes which were so boring I'd literally space out the whole class, draw stuff, or fall asleep simply because the job or task I was doing was not mentally stimulating enough to keep my interest.
This happens to everyone, not just you, you can blame ADHD and take pills to help you concentrate on something you arent interested in, or you can learn to do things which you have absolutely no interest in to make money.
Just like you force yourself to do homework you arent interested in, or force yourself to study, its not fun, but you must learn as a person to make yourself do things because you have to be done.
ADHD is not a disease in my opinion, its just people refusing to do things they arent interested in.
The same person or kid who has ADHD happens to be the computer hacker who spends hours on the internet, or the kid who spends hours playing video games, or the guy who can code 12 hours straight.
ADHD? I'm not so sure about that.
So you want corperate welfare?
Let a dead industry die.
Do you think its fair that Sen Hatch destroy the whole PC industry just to fight some music pirates?
I have to ask you all, why the hell does our government favor certain industries over others?
What the hell? Since when was the Music/Movie industry more important than the electronics/PC industry?
People will stop buying Broadband internet access, they will stop buying CD burners, DVD burners, fancy soundcards,headphones,speakers, etc etc.
The main cause of PC industry growth right now is Piracy, File sharing, whatever you want to call it, its doing more for our economy than the Music Industry.
The Movie Industry is immune to this because the theaters are selling more tickets than ever, I've went to see more movies this year than I ever have in my life.
Why protect a dead industry if the cost of protecting that industry is more than its worth?
File Sharing has been good for the economy, people buy broadband, people buy bigger harddrives, newer computers, better headphones and speaker, a new soundcard, a CD burner, a DVD burner, a portable MP3 player.
These are all of the things I've purchased with MY money, these things equal more than what I would have spent if I were to just buy 10 CDs or something.
So why do they want to destroy the whole PC industry to save the music industry? It doesnt make sense to me when most of Sonys sales, most of AOLs sales, come from the so called pirates. Those same pirates are the ones who pay AOL to connect to these file sharing apps.
But nooo, AOL has to be greedy and try to make you pay to connect to the net, buy their DVD burner, CD burner, and pay for the content.
Well imagine how successful ISPs would be if we had to pay for every website, $1 a site, how many people would surf the web for $1 a site? I wouldnt. Would you?
Why ruin the whole PC industry to save one business when theres 20-30 other businesses which benefit from piracy?
This isnt about economics, this isnt political, this is a power move, Disney has more power than Intel, Time Warner has more power than AOL, Sony's Movies Division has more power than Sonys electronics division.
What these dumb companies cant understand is, that their electronics divisions wont exist if they end piracy.
People wont bother buying a CD burner, at least not in these numbers, People wont buy VCRs, DVD burners, new soundcards for their PC, and all these little blank CDs.
Next time the RIAA complains about how many billions of dollars they lose on piracy, perhaps they should mention all of the billions they gain in terms of blank CDs, CD burners, DVD burners, and broadband internet access.
This industry could be huge, or a few greedy people can destroy it.
Mr. Sketch, what is your opinion? DO you think the Broadband/PC/Electronics industry will be bigger, or will the Media/Music/Content industry be bigger?
Thats exactly my point, Kids living in New York and other big Cities need help. The reason crime and drugs are so popular in places like this is because kids have no supervision.
In NYC you can get drugs on about every corner, when you walk out of a youth group the dealers will be happy to tempt you.
Yes but with good Adult role models and other options availible to you, the average person will decline those offers. But hey if when you go out your house and thats all there is, nothing but the underworld on every corner and theres nothing positive around you, its alot harder.
"How will you get kids to go to your community centers instead of parties?"
You design community centers to be as fun as parties, minus the alcohol and drugs. Give the kids what they want so they wont have a reason to party, if the kids want a skate park build an indoor skatepark in the after school center, if they want TV, give them a nice huge screen TV to watch their favorite movies. Give kids access to things kids like and they wont have reasons to go to parties seeking excitement. There are safe ways to bring excitement to kids without drugs being involved, why cant an Adult look at MTV, theres no druggies on MTV, but everyone is having fun, kids want fun with a bit of risk, you can give them extreme sports like skateboarding/blading etc, you can give them video games, you can give them all these great options which dont involve drugs, and you can leave the door open so they can leave so the choice is all theirs.
No one forces the kids to go it these centers, these centers have to make kids want to hang out there by doing their research.
This is why we need government money, for the R&D, for the research, and for the actual building of the center. This is a program which would require billions of dollars, clubs, stores, and casinos all spend billions of dollars figuring out what Adults want, the Bar is designed to be the perfect hangout for Adults, pool table, a few video games, drinks, posters of women on the wall, tv with sports playing, some gambling, this is what an Adult wants and alot of R&D along with marketing has made it cool to hang out in places like these.
Kids need their own drug fee clubs, they need parties which are supervised but Adults should give them they freedom they need. Why cant we build a dancefloor designed for teenagers, put all the adult features into it, minus the alcohol and drugs.
"I'm sure some people want a way out, but those people are going to need more than Hanzo's Local Youth Group opening up in their city."
You have to start somewhere. Currently alot of places dont have any youth center, they have nothing. The places which do have youth centers dont spend enough money on them, or they design them as an afterschool instead of a hangout.
Youth Centers are the first step, the second step is to provide saftey in school from bullies. When kids get bullied in school they are more likely to join gangs. We should expell kids who bully other kids and put these bullies into a school with other bullies like them. This would solve the problem to some extent or at least it would break the problem down in an attempt to solving it, then we can focus on helping these bullies fix their own mental problems which causes them to be a bully.
I find it hard to understand or believe why if a kid has ADD or ADHD(whatever we call this now), that these kids get put into special classes or special schools, and get put on all these drugs, they great treated like somethings wrong with them, while bullies on the other hand we just ignore them, we dont seperate them from the general population, we just let them bully our kids and when our kids go to the teacher we do nothing about it?
It doesnt make any sense, bullies should be seperated from the regular students. If we can seperate people with ADHD, why are we so kind to bullies who are FAR worse?
Bullies should be spotted in first-fifth grade, then put i
"I disagree. A privately funded Non-Profit Organization (churches, etc.) can provide exactly what you want without the government involved. Kids get quality afterschool care by people who volunteer to help them and they get whatever diversity is available in the area."
Ok ill take you up on this bet. Would a Church in South Central or Harlem New York have as much money in donations as a Church in Boston, New York City, or Suburban Silicon Valley Cali?
Your method still wouldnt solve the problem that poor people dont have as much money to donate as rich people do, and rich people will only donate to things in their own Area.
I never said it did. You asked me what my solution was, and I said to rehabilitate juveniles. That's my solution. Juveniles do NOT go to jail. Juveniles go to a juvenile detention center aimed at rehabilitation.
Kiddie Jail is even worse than real Jail because alot of people assume that there isnt alot of bad people there. I suggest you talk to some people who went to these jails, alot of them got raped, bullied, etc and are very disturbed people.
You say a kid chooses to be a criminal, but alot of kids simply make bad choices which lead them into the criminal life. If you get bullied enough you might join a gang, and that gang might start selling drugs and suddenly you are a criminal.
You see, I consider myself lucky, I didnt have access to guns due to the gun control laws, my schools had metal detectors, I couldnt get a weapon if I wanted to, but alot of kids have parents who just leave a shotgun on the table, you know a kid whos getting bullied constantly in school is going to think about using that shotgun.
It doesnt make the kid bad or evil, its just a kid who cannot handle the world they are living in, perhaps we need to give kids more options to choose from.
Here you go assuming alot of things.
I didn't assume anything. If you spent 24hrs a day 7 days a week 52.X weeks a year researching, you couldn't get all the information to inform yourself enough to vote on everything. Also, if everyone can't vote it isn't democracy, and if everyone isn't qualified, democracy doesn't work.
Did you know stunguns and bullet proof vests are illegal in certain states? When certain weapons are "illegal" it removes our right to defend ourselves.
And the illegalization of firearms is contrary to the second ammendment and therefore unconstitutional.
The problem with the private sector is quality.
I find that to be the problem with the public sector.
Imagine if churches were private sector and paid for by corperations via sponserships.
They are private sector. The government can't run churches. They're private NPOs.
Theres some things that the private sector can never be good at, Kids arent livestock but the private sector will treat them like livestock because the only thing the private sector
cares about is profit.
Public schools treat them more like livestock than any private afterschool care I've ever heard of. My grandmother and great aunt work for a church-run afterschool care program for elementary school students. They take no money from the government and are funded solely by private donations (and what they charge the parents, which isn't a hell of a lot). Why do they do it? They love kids and want kids to have a safe place to be where they'll be taught good values.
Alot of people do need healthcare,
I agree. Everyone needs healthcare.
consider the fact that people are losing their jobs and without a job how do you go to the hospital when sick?
It's called health insurance. Trusting your job to provide it is stupid. Actually, trusting your job to provide any insurance is stupid because they can fire you and fuck you over. Buy your own; it's not that expensive.
College doesnt provide it, you have to pay for it.
I pay no more tution if I'm sick or healthy. I'm sure it factors in, but they provide it as a service to every student.
Once upon a time, there was a great depression, the economy was shit, how did our government solve it?
I believe the answer we're looking for here is World War II. We got involved, kicked up production, and revitalized the economy.
Social Security, and other programs which gave workers confidence. By providing a safety net workers were more willing to go to work, knowing they will be protected when they retire.
Riiiiight. They didn't work until we went to war and the military started spending enough money to win it. If people are unwilling to go to work, that's their problem. I'm not paying for them to be lazy with the excuse of distrust.
You just dont understand. People dont become doctors for the money, so private doctors have no more incentive to be a good doctor than public doctors. If your reason for becoming a doctor was to help people, you'd be motivated to be the best at doing this because you want to be as efficient as possible at helping and curing people. Doctors, Teachers, Firemen, Police, these jobs shouldnt pay alot of money, it should pay enough money for them to get by, doctors make plenty of money.
You can help people in lots of ways. Doctors choose to be doctors instead of teachers for a reason. One of those reasons is money. I agree that they shouldn't be paid a lot, but they should be paid enough for them to live comfortably, not just to get by. People who do a valuable service to society should be compensated accordingly.
Paying teachers more money wont make them care about what they are doing.
No, but when a person cares about teaching kids but also cares about providing for their own kids, they'll more likely choose the latter. I'm not saying to make them rich, but just to pay them in proportion to the service they provide.
We should provide teachers with job security, meaning it shouldnt be easy to fire the