No one is protecting anything except Trump's fragile ego. This whole Advisory Commission action was set into motion because Trump can't accept the fact that he lost the popular vote to Hillary. Total waste of time and money....
I suppose you could look at it that way if you intended to keep up the partisan party line. Actually this whole thing makes good sense to me for a number of reasons.
First, Not comparing the various state's lists for duplicates allows for those who wish to commit voter fraud and vote multiple times in multiple states an easy way to do this.
Second, Some states do not have very good procedures to purge their voter rolls of various illegible voters including illegals, those who have moved out of state, people who have died and others who should not be voting. Having them on the rolls only makes vote fraud easier.
Now I'm not so sure that having some federal commission going though the voter rolls is a splendid idea, but it's not totally without reason or benefits.... Benefits? Yep....
1. Making some kinds of voter fraud harder to do and easier to detect.
2. Restoring public confidence in the voter registration process and the thus the election results.
So if we can put the partisan rhetoric aside a bit and discuss this, maybe we can come up with some kind of reasonable way to do this.
I never called capitalism perfect... I'm only claiming that historically it's the only system that works consistently that we've come up with.
Also, you assume that people who are rich must have somehow broken some moral, legal or ethical rules to get where they are. While *some* may have, I'm positive that the majority of the super rich folks didn't cheat to get what they have. For those who did lie, cheat or steal their way to riches, that's why we have laws about fraud, unfair business deals and theft for the government to enforce. If the government fails to enforce those laws, why do we take it out on all rich people?
Personally, I know a couple of *really* rich folks who I've known for decades who where not that well to do when I met them. I know how hard they worked, how many hours they put in growing their business to what it is today. I don't begrudge them their wealth or envy their ability to buy expensive things, take expensive trips or live in expensive houses. They have been passing all this on to their kids, who won't have to work a day in their lives if they didn't want to. They didn't lie, cheat or steal what they have, why should we assume that the rich generally have?
What it boils down to here is plain old class warfare... "Tax the Rich" because they don't pay their fair share!
I think the USA leaves them all in the dust. In 200 years we went from barely being able to fend off the half hearted nearly bankrupt British with the help of the French to being able to outclass the world in industrial production and are second to none in military power, so much in that we have assumed the majority of the policing of the world. During the same time we expanded from 13 small states to 50 and multiple territories that filled the land from one sea to the other while fighting one civil war and at least one war with a neighbor that invaded our country where we TOTALLY defeated them, then returned the majority of their lands. In spite of this, capitalism in the USA grew both the USA and the cause of freedom.
We were pivotal in establishment of the free world MULTIPLE times by winning war after war (Two world wars we attempted to stay out of). For WW2 alone, we helped destroy then rebuild Europe at large, while also defeating Japan, then rebuilding their economy. We were/are the center of technical innovation in medicine, technologies including communications, aviation, Construction, petrochemicals and many other things that benefit the world at large. We learned how to mas produce goods, food and services and have produced wealth that has raised the standard of living world wide. As a country we donate more food and supplies than any other, then deliver them to people in need world wide. The world would starve without out vast food production and export.
What makes all this possible? Capitalism. NOT socialism, Capitalism. It may not be perfect, but it's the best thing going out there. Socialism fails, history proves it. History provides only ONE example that works long term, capitalism. Nothing else could do this.. End of debate..
Which history proves doesn't work, at least for very long. Eventually you run out of other people's money, have to tax at high rates or print money and live with the inflation that produces. Nobody want's to go out and produce stuff they cannot keep (Either because it's taxed away or taken by inflation) so everybody starves until some kind of change restores capitalism and the productivity it brings.
Need proof? What happened in Venezuela of late? Greece? Spain? Argentina? Any idea how much the poor suffered though all that mess? Sure, they got $$ at first, but eventually things fell apart and freedom was squandered away while the poor suffered the most.
Why did CNN care? Trump's tweet was obviously intended to tweak them, and they willingly got tweaked.
Journalism ethics demands that if a reporter can avoid it, they should NOT become part of the story. You don't go out and create news, you may report what you find, but YOU do not make or become news. CNN's proper response to Trump should have been to ignore his provocations and not let any of this ongoing feud between CNN and Trump continue. They should have been saying "No comment" all along.
This episode illustrates why journalists have such an ethical rule.... CNN is now made itself a target from nearly all sides by their choosing to react to Trump stupid Tweet, then doubling down on stupid by threatening to out the author of some video that Trump happened to call attention to. Now they will pay the PR price and continue to fall in credibility, when they should have not touched any of this with a 10' pole, starting way back in November when Trump got serious with this "fake news" mantra...
Somebody has to be the adult here, but obviously neither Trump or CNN are willing to end this yet...
Seriously? I hear this is some 15 year old kid... Don't you get the problem here?
Even if this kid was some POS racist or what ever you want to call them, CNN threat to out them is tantamount to calling for his killing. Oh not literally, but close enough. Do you remember what happened less than a month ago at a baseball practice? CNN had participated in the kind of reporting that pushed the nut job with the gun from St Louis over the edge with the leftist rhetoric they are so fond of using.
Poor kid was likely already putting up with death threats online for them and their family BEFORE CNN went out and found their actual name and location, now CNN threatens to let the crazy nut jobs know where the kid lives?
Does CNN have ANY decency left? Are they this thin skinned that they cannot abide a bit of chiding? Have they let Trump under their skin this badly that they'd put PR and some anonymous kid's safety at risk just to try and "get back" at someone, anybody, because it's obvious Trump isn't taking their outrage seriously? Really?
Then there is the whole issue of journalistic ethics which seem to be lost on CNN. NEVER do you become the story if you can help it and if you do, you make your best attempt to get OUT of the story. Ethically they should have just IGNORED the tweet, stayed above the fray and let it go. It would have served CNN much better had they done just that.
So any denial of a travel visa by the USA is now related to Trump's travel ban? I don't think so...So why included it if you don't intend to skew the interpretation of the facts to the reporter's political views?
I suppose that you COULD say that the only reason we are actually reporting THIS instance of a visa not being issued is because of Trump's executive order and how it makes visa denials somehow newsworthy now, but that amounts to the reporter putting their political bias on public display. Either way, this sure looks like a journalistic ethics failure by the reporter.
NEVER should a reporter expose their own personal bias on the story by choosing what facts they include, especially when the facts discussed are not DIRECTLY related to the story at hand. Anything less is a violation of traditional journalistic principles..
Until somebody shows that the denial was based on Trump's "travel ban" why are we mentioning it?
NOTHING in the "travel ban" has anything to do with this. Visa's get denied all the time for all sorts of reasons, some good, some not so good. Somebody decided to deny this visa application by a non-US citizen and until we know why, how's this has anything to do with Trump's Executive Order?
Oh, I know... It's guilt by association... How dare ANY visa application get denied! Everybody has a right to come here! (NOT!)
Damn... Had one until it died literally YESTERDAY... I morn the loss of my Note 4, but that iPhone 7 plus is growing on me and Siri is fast becoming my friend... Sorry Clippie, I found someone else...
LA is not one big city. SpaceX is in Hawthorne, a totally separate city with its own city council, etc. The same can be said of Culver City, Santa Monica, and dozens of other cities that many think of as just part of "LA". Each of these presents another opportunity to get bogged down in local politics.
Surely Musk isn't stupid.... He knows all this..
Building a tunnel that actually goes someplace doesn't seem to be the likely plan....Digging a hole in the ground obviously is... So one is left to wonder two things... 1. Why is Musk telling us this fanciful story that is obviously NOT going to happen and 2. What does he really intend to put in that hole? AND (more to the point) 3. Who is paying him to put it there?
LOL, This IS LA you know... Right smack dab in the middle of some pretty nasty earthquake prone fault lines... It's going to obviously produce a LOT of tailings that will have to be put someplace and likely have to be below the water table meaning it will have waste water being pumped out of it....AND this is California we are discussing... There will be scads of environmental impact studies required for this...
Then there are all the permits he's going to need from all the various cities, county, state and federal interests for just the traffic impacts of his "private" transportation system.... And Building permits..... Engineering studies..... Inspections.... Mining permits... Safety plans... Dang the list goes on and on..
This is just a cover story....He's never going to build the tunnel... At least not one that goes anywhere related to getting to the airport on time.
Look up Glomar Explorer.... Mining the ocean floor? Yea that was plausible, but couldn't work financially.
I'm just guessing, but this tunnel to the airport from SpaceX sure looks like a cover story to me. Kind of plausible, but financially ridiculous, even for Musk, who could afford a helicopter ride to his private jet any time he was running late.
But he hasn't left his own property yet has he? There isn't a lot of red tape to work though to dig a hole on your own property, some, but not a lot.
It's a tunnel that goes nowhere at this point. Wait, he's going to be tied up in red tape soon enough doing traffic studies, environmental impact statements, building permits and OSHA reports.... Not to mention doing some actual engineering and survey work...
However, I wouldn't be surprised if getting caught up in the red tape isn't the plan. I know of a couple of deep holes being dug in some pretty interesting locations under strange circumstances, including this one. I'm beginning to suspect some kind of Glomar Explorer esk project is going on....This hole in the ground sure looks like a cover story worthy of Howard Huges, dubious in actual value, but plausible enough you cannot just dismiss it out of hand.
It will be all fun and games until somebody figures out how to spoof a riot by spamming Twitter... The police show up and volia! A new way to "SWAT" someone...
BTW.... For most riots... Who doesn't know in ADVANCE where they are going to be? We act like they are just events that happen at random times and places. You may not know the exact block the violence will break out, but it's usually pretty obvious when the risk of such behavior is high and where it's likely to happen based on the current events driving the whole thing.
Riots, like fire, have some pretty easily identified prerequisites.... 1. Groups of people gathering for some reason... 2. Strong emotions around the reason... 3. Strong rhetoric associated with the reason, encouraging people to feel hopeless about affecting some kind of change 4. A faction of people involved who don't mind violence.
LOL, you need an answer to that question? This whole Paris Accord thing is a farce. We are just patting ourselves on the back and making ourselves feel better, but nothing is really being accomplished.
Cough up the cash if their country chooses not to? I'm guessing the answer is nope. They just are going to uphold THEIR individual commitment to the Paris Accords, which is pretty much "nothing" at all.... They are not a party to the agreement, didn't have any commitments prescribed in the agreement and have no control over if the country they are in or out of the agreement.
Which really illustrates the whole farce that this is... The Paris Accords didn't really do anything significant on emissions reductions anyway so it didn't help, unless you consider the massive wealth transfer it prescribed as something that was going to help...So now 7,400 cities are joining into the farce.... Wow, how nice..
Are we going to actually do something here or keep doing this lip service thing, patting out own backs about ho much we care to make ourselves feel better?
I doubt they see it that way.... I also doubt Google sees it that way either... It's likely Google will comply for all the services they provide within the country.
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No one is protecting anything except Trump's fragile ego. This whole Advisory Commission action was set into motion because Trump can't accept the fact that he lost the popular vote to Hillary. Total waste of time and money... .
I suppose you could look at it that way if you intended to keep up the partisan party line. Actually this whole thing makes good sense to me for a number of reasons.
First, Not comparing the various state's lists for duplicates allows for those who wish to commit voter fraud and vote multiple times in multiple states an easy way to do this.
Second, Some states do not have very good procedures to purge their voter rolls of various illegible voters including illegals, those who have moved out of state, people who have died and others who should not be voting. Having them on the rolls only makes vote fraud easier.
Now I'm not so sure that having some federal commission going though the voter rolls is a splendid idea, but it's not totally without reason or benefits.... Benefits? Yep....
1. Making some kinds of voter fraud harder to do and easier to detect.
2. Restoring public confidence in the voter registration process and the thus the election results.
So if we can put the partisan rhetoric aside a bit and discuss this, maybe we can come up with some kind of reasonable way to do this.
In mother Russia, you hack everybody but mother Russia....
I never called capitalism perfect... I'm only claiming that historically it's the only system that works consistently that we've come up with.
Also, you assume that people who are rich must have somehow broken some moral, legal or ethical rules to get where they are. While *some* may have, I'm positive that the majority of the super rich folks didn't cheat to get what they have. For those who did lie, cheat or steal their way to riches, that's why we have laws about fraud, unfair business deals and theft for the government to enforce. If the government fails to enforce those laws, why do we take it out on all rich people?
Personally, I know a couple of *really* rich folks who I've known for decades who where not that well to do when I met them. I know how hard they worked, how many hours they put in growing their business to what it is today. I don't begrudge them their wealth or envy their ability to buy expensive things, take expensive trips or live in expensive houses. They have been passing all this on to their kids, who won't have to work a day in their lives if they didn't want to. They didn't lie, cheat or steal what they have, why should we assume that the rich generally have?
What it boils down to here is plain old class warfare... "Tax the Rich" because they don't pay their fair share!
I think the USA leaves them all in the dust. In 200 years we went from barely being able to fend off the half hearted nearly bankrupt British with the help of the French to being able to outclass the world in industrial production and are second to none in military power, so much in that we have assumed the majority of the policing of the world. During the same time we expanded from 13 small states to 50 and multiple territories that filled the land from one sea to the other while fighting one civil war and at least one war with a neighbor that invaded our country where we TOTALLY defeated them, then returned the majority of their lands. In spite of this, capitalism in the USA grew both the USA and the cause of freedom.
We were pivotal in establishment of the free world MULTIPLE times by winning war after war (Two world wars we attempted to stay out of). For WW2 alone, we helped destroy then rebuild Europe at large, while also defeating Japan, then rebuilding their economy. We were/are the center of technical innovation in medicine, technologies including communications, aviation, Construction, petrochemicals and many other things that benefit the world at large. We learned how to mas produce goods, food and services and have produced wealth that has raised the standard of living world wide. As a country we donate more food and supplies than any other, then deliver them to people in need world wide. The world would starve without out vast food production and export.
What makes all this possible? Capitalism. NOT socialism, Capitalism. It may not be perfect, but it's the best thing going out there. Socialism fails, history proves it. History provides only ONE example that works long term, capitalism. Nothing else could do this.. End of debate..
Which history proves doesn't work, at least for very long. Eventually you run out of other people's money, have to tax at high rates or print money and live with the inflation that produces. Nobody want's to go out and produce stuff they cannot keep (Either because it's taxed away or taken by inflation) so everybody starves until some kind of change restores capitalism and the productivity it brings.
Need proof? What happened in Venezuela of late? Greece? Spain? Argentina? Any idea how much the poor suffered though all that mess? Sure, they got $$ at first, but eventually things fell apart and freedom was squandered away while the poor suffered the most.
Why did CNN care? Trump's tweet was obviously intended to tweak them, and they willingly got tweaked.
Journalism ethics demands that if a reporter can avoid it, they should NOT become part of the story. You don't go out and create news, you may report what you find, but YOU do not make or become news. CNN's proper response to Trump should have been to ignore his provocations and not let any of this ongoing feud between CNN and Trump continue. They should have been saying "No comment" all along.
This episode illustrates why journalists have such an ethical rule.... CNN is now made itself a target from nearly all sides by their choosing to react to Trump stupid Tweet, then doubling down on stupid by threatening to out the author of some video that Trump happened to call attention to. Now they will pay the PR price and continue to fall in credibility, when they should have not touched any of this with a 10' pole, starting way back in November when Trump got serious with this "fake news" mantra...
Somebody has to be the adult here, but obviously neither Trump or CNN are willing to end this yet...
Seriously? I hear this is some 15 year old kid... Don't you get the problem here?
Even if this kid was some POS racist or what ever you want to call them, CNN threat to out them is tantamount to calling for his killing. Oh not literally, but close enough. Do you remember what happened less than a month ago at a baseball practice? CNN had participated in the kind of reporting that pushed the nut job with the gun from St Louis over the edge with the leftist rhetoric they are so fond of using.
Poor kid was likely already putting up with death threats online for them and their family BEFORE CNN went out and found their actual name and location, now CNN threatens to let the crazy nut jobs know where the kid lives?
Does CNN have ANY decency left? Are they this thin skinned that they cannot abide a bit of chiding? Have they let Trump under their skin this badly that they'd put PR and some anonymous kid's safety at risk just to try and "get back" at someone, anybody, because it's obvious Trump isn't taking their outrage seriously? Really?
Then there is the whole issue of journalistic ethics which seem to be lost on CNN. NEVER do you become the story if you can help it and if you do, you make your best attempt to get OUT of the story. Ethically they should have just IGNORED the tweet, stayed above the fray and let it go. It would have served CNN much better had they done just that.
The internal combustion powered engine and the automobiles they live in are far from becoming a thing of the past.
This announcement is either a PR ploy which isn't serious or represents a self inflicted wound that will kill them.
So any denial of a travel visa by the USA is now related to Trump's travel ban? I don't think so...So why included it if you don't intend to skew the interpretation of the facts to the reporter's political views?
I suppose that you COULD say that the only reason we are actually reporting THIS instance of a visa not being issued is because of Trump's executive order and how it makes visa denials somehow newsworthy now, but that amounts to the reporter putting their political bias on public display. Either way, this sure looks like a journalistic ethics failure by the reporter.
NEVER should a reporter expose their own personal bias on the story by choosing what facts they include, especially when the facts discussed are not DIRECTLY related to the story at hand. Anything less is a violation of traditional journalistic principles..
Until somebody shows that the denial was based on Trump's "travel ban" why are we mentioning it?
NOTHING in the "travel ban" has anything to do with this. Visa's get denied all the time for all sorts of reasons, some good, some not so good. Somebody decided to deny this visa application by a non-US citizen and until we know why, how's this has anything to do with Trump's Executive Order?
Oh, I know... It's guilt by association... How dare ANY visa application get denied! Everybody has a right to come here! (NOT!)
LOL... You have a good point there...
I'll start the "See it's global warming!" --- "You are full of it!" Thread that You know is coming..
Damn... Had one until it died literally YESTERDAY... I morn the loss of my Note 4, but that iPhone 7 plus is growing on me and Siri is fast becoming my friend... Sorry Clippie, I found someone else...
So....Why is Musk spinning this yarn? What is he covering up? What goes into the hole and who is paying Musk to put it there? Hmmm....
LA is not one big city. SpaceX is in Hawthorne, a totally separate city with its own city council, etc. The same can be said of Culver City, Santa Monica, and dozens of other cities that many think of as just part of "LA". Each of these presents another opportunity to get bogged down in local politics.
Surely Musk isn't stupid.... He knows all this..
Building a tunnel that actually goes someplace doesn't seem to be the likely plan....Digging a hole in the ground obviously is... So one is left to wonder two things... 1. Why is Musk telling us this fanciful story that is obviously NOT going to happen and 2. What does he really intend to put in that hole? AND (more to the point) 3. Who is paying him to put it there?
True.. Just don't underestimate the latency of that high bandwidth pipe...
Who cares about ribbon's....
I want my paper clip back! He was my only friend...
LOL, This IS LA you know... Right smack dab in the middle of some pretty nasty earthquake prone fault lines... It's going to obviously produce a LOT of tailings that will have to be put someplace and likely have to be below the water table meaning it will have waste water being pumped out of it....AND this is California we are discussing... There will be scads of environmental impact studies required for this...
Then there are all the permits he's going to need from all the various cities, county, state and federal interests for just the traffic impacts of his "private" transportation system.... And Building permits..... Engineering studies..... Inspections.... Mining permits... Safety plans... Dang the list goes on and on..
This is just a cover story....He's never going to build the tunnel... At least not one that goes anywhere related to getting to the airport on time.
Look up Glomar Explorer.... Mining the ocean floor? Yea that was plausible, but couldn't work financially.
I'm just guessing, but this tunnel to the airport from SpaceX sure looks like a cover story to me. Kind of plausible, but financially ridiculous, even for Musk, who could afford a helicopter ride to his private jet any time he was running late.
But he hasn't left his own property yet has he? There isn't a lot of red tape to work though to dig a hole on your own property, some, but not a lot.
It's a tunnel that goes nowhere at this point. Wait, he's going to be tied up in red tape soon enough doing traffic studies, environmental impact statements, building permits and OSHA reports.... Not to mention doing some actual engineering and survey work...
However, I wouldn't be surprised if getting caught up in the red tape isn't the plan. I know of a couple of deep holes being dug in some pretty interesting locations under strange circumstances, including this one. I'm beginning to suspect some kind of Glomar Explorer esk project is going on....This hole in the ground sure looks like a cover story worthy of Howard Huges, dubious in actual value, but plausible enough you cannot just dismiss it out of hand.
Monitor Twitter and find the riot faster...
It will be all fun and games until somebody figures out how to spoof a riot by spamming Twitter... The police show up and volia! A new way to "SWAT" someone...
BTW.... For most riots... Who doesn't know in ADVANCE where they are going to be? We act like they are just events that happen at random times and places. You may not know the exact block the violence will break out, but it's usually pretty obvious when the risk of such behavior is high and where it's likely to happen based on the current events driving the whole thing.
Riots, like fire, have some pretty easily identified prerequisites.... 1. Groups of people gathering for some reason... 2. Strong emotions around the reason... 3. Strong rhetoric associated with the reason, encouraging people to feel hopeless about affecting some kind of change 4. A faction of people involved who don't mind violence.
May the farce be with you... Lip service over substance is all this thing is.
LOL, you need an answer to that question? This whole Paris Accord thing is a farce. We are just patting ourselves on the back and making ourselves feel better, but nothing is really being accomplished.
Cough up the cash if their country chooses not to? I'm guessing the answer is nope. They just are going to uphold THEIR individual commitment to the Paris Accords, which is pretty much "nothing" at all.... They are not a party to the agreement, didn't have any commitments prescribed in the agreement and have no control over if the country they are in or out of the agreement.
Which really illustrates the whole farce that this is... The Paris Accords didn't really do anything significant on emissions reductions anyway so it didn't help, unless you consider the massive wealth transfer it prescribed as something that was going to help...So now 7,400 cities are joining into the farce.... Wow, how nice..
Are we going to actually do something here or keep doing this lip service thing, patting out own backs about ho much we care to make ourselves feel better?
I doubt they see it that way.... I also doubt Google sees it that way either... It's likely Google will comply for all the services they provide within the country.