But physical activity is the driving force in weight loss maintenance.
So when it comes to keeping the weight off — the boring, un-sexy, really hard part for the long-term — physical activity is the key. Yes, you need to continue to “eat smarter,” but ultimately, if you don’t stay active, the weight is going to come back on.
As Dr. Hill said quite bluntly: “You don’t have to exercise to lose weight, as long as you only want to lose it temporarily.” His point is that you need exercise for both weight loss and maintenance — and without it, the maintenance just isn’t going to happen in the long run (pun intended, sorry).
My comment may be outdated by several years now. What I was referring to involves converters that make mp3's of youtube videos, RIAA wanted youtube to 'degrade' the audio on their site. Having a problem finding relevant links, for now...
Doh! I should have fully RTFA completely through:( Turns out it was the car's defective 12volt battery
And so it looks like my vampire was indeed my car's defective 12-Volt battery
But does the 12-Volt hypothesis explain why so many Model S owners reported similar problems on the various owner forums? Do they all have bad 12-Volt batteries?
And what about the odd fact that most of the reported problems seem to be in 60-kWh cars? The Tesla spokesman told me that the 60- and 85-kWh batteries are identical, vampire-wise.
Found this article from November 25, 2013. Three excerpts below...
"According to Tesla, the car needs a constant flow of power to keep its computers and systems switched on 24/7, ready to boot up instantly when the driver gets into the car. (It's a popular myth among Model S owners that much of the vampire power goes to keep the battery warm during cold nights. This is simply not true.) According to Tesla, there is no thermal management of the Model S battery when the car is turned off and not charging--no matter how cold it gets."
"Ironically, the Model S had very little vampire drain when it was first introduced. My owner's manual is based on the original software in the car. "When you're not driving Model S, the Battery discharges very slowly to power the onboard electronics," it purrs reassuringly. "On average the battery discharges at a rate of 1 percent per day. Unfortunately, the "sleep mode" software in those early cars triggered all sorts of glitches in the car's other systems. Eventually, the problems became so persistent that Tesla simply disabled the sleep mode. With sleep taken away, the vampires came out to play. And instead of draining 1 percent every 24 hours, the Model S battery suddenly began losing 5 or 6 percent of its charge every day. (In the case of 60-kWh cars like mine, it's closer to 7 or 8 percent.)"
"So far I've run three overnight tests with the kWh meter. For each test, I charged the car up in the evening to its usual selected level (In my case, about 80 percent). Then I removed the charge plug. I allowed the car to sit unplugged overnight and on into the next day, until I needed to drive it. (Typically a span of 12 to 24 hours.) Before driving it, I plugged it back in to top off the vampire-depleted battery back to its original level. Then I checked the kWh-meter. Test results: The three tests showed vampire losses of 2.3 kWh in 17 hours, 1.9 kWh in 23 hours, and 4.2 kWh in 18 hours. Total vampire power lost was 8.4 kWh in 58 hours. That's an average of 3.5 kWh per day--roughly 25 percent lower than the losses I measured previously. I can't explain the wide variation in the vampire draw over the three tests. Clearly, more than three tests will be required to come up with an accurate figure. But it's clear to me that the new vampire-slayer software is pretty weak stuff. It's better than nothing, I suppose. A 25-percent improvement means that the 20,000 Model S cars now on the road will only waste about 70 megawatt-hours of power a day, down from 90 MWh. And it means that Musk's anti-vampire prediction has turned out to be one-quarter true in twice the time. Update 6.0, anyone?"
Doesn't your phone have a camera flash that can be used as a flashlight and works just as well? I think this has been standard for the past 5 years, and most phones have a flashlight app that comes on the phone.
I'm still on an older Virgin Mobile economy froyo phone (Optimus V), no flash. It's tough as hell, still works after many drops to concrete and one fall into a creek. I figure why upgrade while this one is still working fine. It gets the internet when I need to googlemap something, functions as an mp3 player, and the phone's mike/speaker still function.
Well, that said, I guess I gotta' go shave my neck now...
Wait, so that car loses steering merely due a to a fluid leak? WTF? Are you serious? I mean yeah, it gets harder to steer when you lose the fluid, but it should be steerable allright.
You have 'power assist' maybe, not the full power steering I was talking about in my post about the '72 Buick Skylark. All we know now is TMZ's sources say that there was some type of fluid that was on the road before the impact site. It may turn out that this high-performance/ extremely tight steering car was speeding, and a blowout of steering fluid at speed could very easily contribute to loss of control..., car meets tree, game over.
IF they were doing high speed combined with a power steering hose/fitting failure, that could easily throw the vehicle off course much quicker than even a pro driver could properly react to in time. It's a wait and see until all the official findings are in, until then it's impossible to know for sure, especially since the only video I found of the accident doesn't show the car before impact.
Were they 'adrenaline junkies', digging the thrill of 'pushing the envelope'? Maybe. If they were speeding, they were old enough and should have known better. Speed kills. You can only test your mortality so many times before 'shit happens'. I've lost friends/family due to totally stupid preventable accidents, a waste of precious life. My condolences go out to all friends and family of the deceased.
Isn't citing TMZ as a source kind of like using the National Enquirer for your doctoral thesis?
Hey, sometimes you gotta go with what you got. It's a tabloid site of course, but I've seen that they do scoop the competition with fresh sources. The sources cited are guys who knew the car and its occupants. Loss of steering is a credible explanation for why an able driver would lose control and slam into a tree, of course we'll need to wait for the investigation results to come in.
In a car when shit goes wrong things happen fast, and you might have very little time to realize there's a problem Before you need to react to it. Like when I lost a power steering belt in an old Buick Skylark years ago. First there's that panicky "WTF is going on?!" moment when the steering wheel all of a sudden isn't turning like it should. It took all of the strength in my arms just to keep the car going straight (and only doing 25 mph) before I was able to stop.
TMZ is reporting a loss of steering fluid was evidenced before the crash, with no skid marks...
The exotic sports car in which Paul Walker violently died, crashed as a result of mechanical failure -- very possibly a steering fluid leak... this according to sources closely tied to the auto shop where the vehicle was stored and maintained.
Sources connected to Always Evolving -- the shop co-owned by Walker and the Porsche driver Roger Rodas -- tell TMZ they saw evidence of a fluid burst and subsequent fluid trail before the skid marks at the accident scene.
The AE sources point to the fact there is a noticeable absence of skid marks until just before the point of impact. They say if Roger had lost control the skid marks would show swerving, but instead the marks were in a straight line. They feel this cements the theory the driver didn't have steering control.
Also suspicious -- the fire spreading so quickly in the front of the car. The sources say flames would be expected in the rear where the engine is... but fire in the front reinforces their theory of a fluid leak of some sort.
It's not the speed that kills, it's coming to a sudden stop against those trees.
In a crash, the internal organs are still moving even after a human body comes to a complete stop. The internal organs can slam into other organs of the skeletal system. This internal collision is often the cause of serious injury or death. For example, a person’s head might collide with the windshield of the car during the second collision. The still-moving brain then collides with the inside of the skull, causing swelling and/or bleeding. This is the third collision. As total mass and speed of the vehicle(s) involved in a motor vehicle crash increase, there is a proportionate increase in the opportunity for injury to the human body, both externally and internally.
It sounds like this guy was actually a professional race driver, or at least part of an amateur racing team. He shouldn't have been trying to push the envelope on a public road though. It's horrible and sad news, but obviously the driver was being an idiot on public roads, and the type of car he was driving shouldn't really be relevant.
"A man's GOT to know his limitations..." - Dirty Harry
...can someone explain to me this (american) obsession with zombies?
I can't explain it, for me it was just a weird cult film from the 1970's, pure 'safe' entertainment. Why do people pay to go on rollercoasters, but wouldn't want to get on on a commuter train if they knew it would crash? I did some googling and found these explanations. the first from LiveScience...
The reason for this popularity may trace back to an unexpected source, according to a new analysis: In fact, zombies may be helping us cope with the aftermath of World War II.
"We use fictional narratives not only to emotionally cope with the possibility of impending doom, but even more importantly perhaps to work through the ethical and philosophical frameworks that were in many ways left shattered in the wake of WWII," Stanford literary scholar Angela Becerra Vidergar said in a statement.
Vidergar, a doctoral student in comparative literature, analyzed mass disaster stories in pop culture for her dissertation. She found that mass disasters such as the Holocaust, Hiroshima and Nagasaki opened up new realizations about the human capacity for violence, casting doubt about the upsides of modernized society.
"Instead," Vidergar said, "we are left with this cultural fixation on fictionalizing our own death, very specifically mass-scale destruction."
Predictions about the end times are nothing new, of course. Doomsday believers have been promising that the end is near for centuries, with the December 2012 "Mayan apocalypse" just one in a long line of failed predictions.
In the aftermath of traumatic events like World War II and the Sept. 11, 2011, terrorist attacks, interest seems to spike, Vidergar said. Shows like the National Geographic Channel's "Doomsday Preppers" profile people who go beyond pondering the end and start planning for it.
Though few real-world preppers worry about zombies, fantasies about the zombie apocalypse make up a large chunk of post-apocalyptic pop culture, Vidergar found.
Shows like AMC's "The Walking Dead" and movies like 2007's "28 Weeks Later" help people work through how they'd act in a survivalist situation, she said.
"Zombies are important as a reflection of ourselves," Vidergar said. "The ethical decisions that the survivors have to make under duress and the actions that follow those choices are very unlike anything they would have done in their normal state of life."
What's more, Vidergar said, zombie apocalypse tales actually invoke hope amidst destruction and death, as survivors battle for their lives.
"Even if as a society we have lost a lot of our belief in a positive future and instead have more of an idea of a disaster to come, we still think that we are survivors, we still want to believe that we would survive," Vidergar said. http://www.livescience.com/27287-zombie-apocalypse-world-war-ii.html
In order to understand the connection between zombie movies and American unhappiness, we have to start at the beginning. The first popular zombie movie was in 1968, a tumultuous year in American politics with the Vietnam War, the unrest at the Democratic Convention, and the general malaise of the 1960s. The film, (which, incidentally, was one of the first movies to have a black man play a lead character), “terrified” audiences around the country with its portrayal of huge mobs eating all they come into contact with and destroying society in a blithering mass. The film’s iconic images of the dead, staring blankly into the eyes of horrified survivors, are not hard to tie to the growing disconnect between the youth and the more established generations, th
The more we learn about other animals, the more we have realized how ignorant we are. Ignorant of their ability to experience emotion (once thought only a human trait). Ignorant of their intelligence,and their ability to grasp ideas. Sure, they're not going to be able to run a computer for you, they weren't meant to.
What I'm saying is every species on this planet seems to serve some purpose, we've just been too short sighted to recognize them. The reasons may go far deeper than many people are willing to believe are possible. The intelligence of certain animals have over time been shown to be far greater than what was then understood.
Saw an hour long Nova episode about a guy who took on the job of being the 'mother' of orphaned turkey chicks. He lived with them for a year, learned a lot about how they 'speak' to each other in a language, saw how they 'grieved' when some of their brood died of an unknown disease. Here is the link to that show: http://video.pbs.org/video/2168110328/
In my 50+ years I've learned to keep my mind more open to many concepts that as a young man I could not have grasped as possible. As to animals, from what little I have seen, there's still a lot more for humans to learn and discover. Of course, YMMV.:)
It's well documented that some animals have the mental capacity of a typical 3 year old human child. (See Alex the african grey parrot, Koko the gorilla, etc.)
Not to mention dogs, i.e. Chaser the border collie who's been taught over 1000 words.
Try to look at it from the eatery owner's pov. My customers seem to get upset when another person isn't wearing a shirt in my place, and I want my all my customers to enjoy their meal and come back again. I also want them to tell others that my place is a nice place to eat. So I have to make the rule saying "No shirt, no service."
Same for when my customers complain that some other customer is making them uncomfortable by video recording them with those high-tech google-glass thingys. In order to keep my customers happy, I have to ban googleglass, or I'll go out of business. Word of mouth is powerful. Once word gets around that if you go to my place you could be instantly made into a youtube star (when all you wanted was to have a nice meal out), that place will be deserted.
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I can understand /. getting filtered, there is a lot of fucking cursing going on here. Myself, I find it disgraceful!
Here she is on David Letterman, about 27 years ago... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-vcErOPofQ
So when it comes to keeping the weight off — the boring, un-sexy, really hard part for the long-term — physical activity is the key. Yes, you need to continue to “eat smarter,” but ultimately, if you don’t stay active, the weight is going to come back on.
As Dr. Hill said quite bluntly: “You don’t have to exercise to lose weight, as long as you only want to lose it temporarily.” His point is that you need exercise for both weight loss and maintenance — and without it, the maintenance just isn’t going to happen in the long run (pun intended, sorry).
http://www.eatingrules.com/2012/06/eat-less-move-more-is-bad-advice/
Eat less, move more. Mad TV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKs0oEIVOck
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/02/riaa_ifpi_consi.php
http://www.turkeymonkey.com/2009/07/19/how-to-get-around-that-pesky-copyrighted-audio-filter-on-youtube-and-facebook/
And so it looks like my vampire was indeed my car's defective 12-Volt battery
But does the 12-Volt hypothesis explain why so many Model S owners reported similar problems on the various owner forums? Do they all have bad 12-Volt batteries?
And what about the odd fact that most of the reported problems seem to be in 60-kWh cars? The Tesla spokesman told me that the 60- and 85-kWh batteries are identical, vampire-wise.
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1088929_life-with-tesla-model-s-electric-draw-vampire-slain-at-last/page-2
"According to Tesla, the car needs a constant flow of power to keep its computers and systems switched on 24/7, ready to boot up instantly when the driver gets into the car. (It's a popular myth among Model S owners that much of the vampire power goes to keep the battery warm during cold nights. This is simply not true.) According to Tesla, there is no thermal management of the Model S battery when the car is turned off and not charging--no matter how cold it gets."
"Ironically, the Model S had very little vampire drain when it was first introduced. My owner's manual is based on the original software in the car. "When you're not driving Model S, the Battery discharges very slowly to power the onboard electronics," it purrs reassuringly. "On average the battery discharges at a rate of 1 percent per day. Unfortunately, the "sleep mode" software in those early cars triggered all sorts of glitches in the car's other systems. Eventually, the problems became so persistent that Tesla simply disabled the sleep mode. With sleep taken away, the vampires came out to play. And instead of draining 1 percent every 24 hours, the Model S battery suddenly began losing 5 or 6 percent of its charge every day. (In the case of 60-kWh cars like mine, it's closer to 7 or 8 percent.)"
"So far I've run three overnight tests with the kWh meter. For each test, I charged the car up in the evening to its usual selected level (In my case, about 80 percent). Then I removed the charge plug. I allowed the car to sit unplugged overnight and on into the next day, until I needed to drive it. (Typically a span of 12 to 24 hours.) Before driving it, I plugged it back in to top off the vampire-depleted battery back to its original level. Then I checked the kWh-meter. Test results: The three tests showed vampire losses of 2.3 kWh in 17 hours, 1.9 kWh in 23 hours, and 4.2 kWh in 18 hours. Total vampire power lost was 8.4 kWh in 58 hours. That's an average of 3.5 kWh per day--roughly 25 percent lower than the losses I measured previously. I can't explain the wide variation in the vampire draw over the three tests. Clearly, more than three tests will be required to come up with an accurate figure. But it's clear to me that the new vampire-slayer software is pretty weak stuff. It's better than nothing, I suppose. A 25-percent improvement means that the 20,000 Model S cars now on the road will only waste about 70 megawatt-hours of power a day, down from 90 MWh. And it means that Musk's anti-vampire prediction has turned out to be one-quarter true in twice the time. Update 6.0, anyone?"
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1088648_life-with-tesla-model-s-even-after-update-vampire-draw-remains
YouTube purposely scrambles the sound a bit, as a way of appeasing the RIAA.
Doesn't your phone have a camera flash that can be used as a flashlight and works just as well? I think this has been standard for the past 5 years, and most phones have a flashlight app that comes on the phone.
I'm still on an older Virgin Mobile economy froyo phone (Optimus V), no flash. It's tough as hell, still works after many drops to concrete and one fall into a creek. I figure why upgrade while this one is still working fine. It gets the internet when I need to googlemap something, functions as an mp3 player, and the phone's mike/speaker still function.
Well, that said, I guess I gotta' go shave my neck now...
In other space news... http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-350
Whenever I need quick light I just go to an all white screen on my phone. Why would you ever need an app for this?
That took forever...
That took forever...
Aww, was it upsetting for you to go through those 22 weeks his health and body were failing?
Imagine what is must have been like for him.
Crazy! I have the same code on my luggage.
NSA: Thanks, Mr. Nevus, we were having a hard time opening up your 'lost' luggage from your last trip.
http://venturebeat.com/2013/12/04/all-hail-the-googlebots-heres-a-look-at-the-7-robot-companies-google-just-acquired/
Wait, so that car loses steering merely due a to a fluid leak? WTF? Are you serious? I mean yeah, it gets harder to steer when you lose the fluid, but it should be steerable allright.
You have 'power assist' maybe, not the full power steering I was talking about in my post about the '72 Buick Skylark. All we know now is TMZ's sources say that there was some type of fluid that was on the road before the impact site. It may turn out that this high-performance/ extremely tight steering car was speeding, and a blowout of steering fluid at speed could very easily contribute to loss of control..., car meets tree, game over.
Were they 'adrenaline junkies', digging the thrill of 'pushing the envelope'? Maybe. If they were speeding, they were old enough and should have known better. Speed kills. You can only test your mortality so many times before 'shit happens'. I've lost friends/family due to totally stupid preventable accidents, a waste of precious life. My condolences go out to all friends and family of the deceased.
"Oh no! The Mummy's chasing us!"
"We need to walk a little faster!"
Isn't citing TMZ as a source kind of like using the National Enquirer for your doctoral thesis?
Hey, sometimes you gotta go with what you got. It's a tabloid site of course, but I've seen that they do scoop the competition with fresh sources. The sources cited are guys who knew the car and its occupants. Loss of steering is a credible explanation for why an able driver would lose control and slam into a tree, of course we'll need to wait for the investigation results to come in.
In a car when shit goes wrong things happen fast, and you might have very little time to realize there's a problem Before you need to react to it. Like when I lost a power steering belt in an old Buick Skylark years ago. First there's that panicky "WTF is going on?!" moment when the steering wheel all of a sudden isn't turning like it should. It took all of the strength in my arms just to keep the car going straight (and only doing 25 mph) before I was able to stop.
The exotic sports car in which Paul Walker violently died, crashed as a result of mechanical failure -- very possibly a steering fluid leak ... this according to sources closely tied to the auto shop where the vehicle was stored and maintained.
Sources connected to Always Evolving -- the shop co-owned by Walker and the Porsche driver Roger Rodas -- tell TMZ they saw evidence of a fluid burst and subsequent fluid trail before the skid marks at the accident scene.
The AE sources point to the fact there is a noticeable absence of skid marks until just before the point of impact. They say if Roger had lost control the skid marks would show swerving, but instead the marks were in a straight line. They feel this cements the theory the driver didn't have steering control.
Also suspicious -- the fire spreading so quickly in the front of the car. The sources say flames would be expected in the rear where the engine is ... but fire in the front reinforces their theory of a fluid leak of some sort.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/02/paul-walker-roger-rodas-deadly-accident-porsche-malfunction-fluid-leak/#ixzz2mQRj91Ns
It's not the speed that kills, it's coming to a sudden stop against those trees.
In a crash, the internal organs are still moving even after a human body comes to a complete stop. The internal organs can slam into other organs of the skeletal system. This internal collision is often the cause of serious injury or death. For example, a person’s head might collide with the windshield of the car during the second collision. The still-moving brain then collides with the inside of the skull, causing swelling and/or bleeding. This is the third collision. As total mass and speed of the vehicle(s) involved in a motor vehicle crash increase, there is a proportionate increase in the opportunity for injury to the human body, both externally and internally.
http://safe-driver.hubpages.com/hub/In-Every-Vehicle-Crash-There-Are-Actually-Three-Collisions
It sounds like this guy was actually a professional race driver, or at least part of an amateur racing team. He shouldn't have been trying to push the envelope on a public road though. It's horrible and sad news, but obviously the driver was being an idiot on public roads, and the type of car he was driving shouldn't really be relevant.
"A man's GOT to know his limitations..." - Dirty Harry
...can someone explain to me this (american) obsession with zombies?
I can't explain it, for me it was just a weird cult film from the 1970's, pure 'safe' entertainment. Why do people pay to go on rollercoasters, but wouldn't want to get on on a commuter train if they knew it would crash? I did some googling and found these explanations. the first from LiveScience ...
The reason for this popularity may trace back to an unexpected source, according to a new analysis: In fact, zombies may be helping us cope with the aftermath of World War II.
"We use fictional narratives not only to emotionally cope with the possibility of impending doom, but even more importantly perhaps to work through the ethical and philosophical frameworks that were in many ways left shattered in the wake of WWII," Stanford literary scholar Angela Becerra Vidergar said in a statement.
Vidergar, a doctoral student in comparative literature, analyzed mass disaster stories in pop culture for her dissertation. She found that mass disasters such as the Holocaust, Hiroshima and Nagasaki opened up new realizations about the human capacity for violence, casting doubt about the upsides of modernized society.
"Instead," Vidergar said, "we are left with this cultural fixation on fictionalizing our own death, very specifically mass-scale destruction."
Predictions about the end times are nothing new, of course. Doomsday believers have been promising that the end is near for centuries, with the December 2012 "Mayan apocalypse" just one in a long line of failed predictions.
In the aftermath of traumatic events like World War II and the Sept. 11, 2011, terrorist attacks, interest seems to spike, Vidergar said. Shows like the National Geographic Channel's "Doomsday Preppers" profile people who go beyond pondering the end and start planning for it.
Though few real-world preppers worry about zombies, fantasies about the zombie apocalypse make up a large chunk of post-apocalyptic pop culture, Vidergar found.
Shows like AMC's "The Walking Dead" and movies like 2007's "28 Weeks Later" help people work through how they'd act in a survivalist situation, she said.
"Zombies are important as a reflection of ourselves," Vidergar said. "The ethical decisions that the survivors have to make under duress and the actions that follow those choices are very unlike anything they would have done in their normal state of life."
What's more, Vidergar said, zombie apocalypse tales actually invoke hope amidst destruction and death, as survivors battle for their lives.
"Even if as a society we have lost a lot of our belief in a positive future and instead have more of an idea of a disaster to come, we still think that we are survivors, we still want to believe that we would survive," Vidergar said. http://www.livescience.com/27287-zombie-apocalypse-world-war-ii.html
And from http://www.policymic.com/articles/29334/the-walking-dead-why-are-americans-so-obsessed-with-zombies
In order to understand the connection between zombie movies and American unhappiness, we have to start at the beginning. The first popular zombie movie was in 1968, a tumultuous year in American politics with the Vietnam War, the unrest at the Democratic Convention, and the general malaise of the 1960s. The film, (which, incidentally, was one of the first movies to have a black man play a lead character), “terrified” audiences around the country with its portrayal of huge mobs eating all they come into contact with and destroying society in a blithering mass. The film’s iconic images of the dead, staring blankly into the eyes of horrified survivors, are not hard to tie to the growing disconnect between the youth and the more established generations, th
What I'm saying is every species on this planet seems to serve some purpose, we've just been too short sighted to recognize them. The reasons may go far deeper than many people are willing to believe are possible. The intelligence of certain animals have over time been shown to be far greater than what was then understood.
Saw an hour long Nova episode about a guy who took on the job of being the 'mother' of orphaned turkey chicks. He lived with them for a year, learned a lot about how they 'speak' to each other in a language, saw how they 'grieved' when some of their brood died of an unknown disease. Here is the link to that show: http://video.pbs.org/video/2168110328/
In my 50+ years I've learned to keep my mind more open to many concepts that as a young man I could not have grasped as possible. As to animals, from what little I have seen, there's still a lot more for humans to learn and discover. Of course, YMMV. :)
It's well documented that some animals have the mental capacity of a typical 3 year old human child. (See Alex the african grey parrot, Koko the gorilla, etc.)
Not to mention dogs, i.e. Chaser the border collie who's been taught over 1000 words.
(mute volume) http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/world-smartest-dog-nova-special-shows-border-collie/story?id=12875750
Same for when my customers complain that some other customer is making them uncomfortable by video recording them with those high-tech google-glass thingys. In order to keep my customers happy, I have to ban googleglass, or I'll go out of business. Word of mouth is powerful. Once word gets around that if you go to my place you could be instantly made into a youtube star (when all you wanted was to have a nice meal out), that place will be deserted.
http://www.outofthecradle.net/archives/2008/06/25-good-reasons-to-go-to-the-moon-2/