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Two Million Passwords Compromised By Keylogger Virus

Ocean Consulting writes "CNN is reporting that over two million passwords from web service companies such as Google, Facebook, Twitter and Yahoo have been captured via a key logging virus. The story is based on information released by security firm Trustwave. The report critiques how bad people are at making secure passwords, but does mention the use of Pony Botnet Controller."

174 comments

  1. OMG Pony BotNet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Surprise! Facebook is already selling your info and the NSA is watching them do it. No real reason not to make your password 1234

    1. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by aliquis · · Score: 1

      I've made one:

      It'snotallowedtotypethisifyou'refromtheNSA!

      (Actually that would make a pretty good password.. maybe I sho..)

    2. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      fucking bronies....

    3. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've made one:

      It'snotallowedtotypethisifyou'refromtheNSA!

      (Actually that would make a pretty good password.. maybe I sho..)

      No, that would be a shitty password. A Dictionary attack weighted with how commonly the words are used in English would make short work of it.

    4. Re: OMG Pony BotNet! by fizzer06 · · Score: 1

      The Anonymous irony!

    5. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by aliquis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Got to be a whole freaking lot better than the 8 characters stuff even with various cases, numbers and symbols.

      I love how people with a clue suggest people use different passwords everywhere and then more or less every single page in the universe require you to have a freaking login and often don't use any central stuff for doing so (somewhat better now with facebook and Google then again do I really want to connect my accounts that way?)

      Guess a certificate / private key and password isn't all that much better but it's way more convenient.

    6. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Also it was a reference to all those old "bla bla You're not allowed to login bla bla bla" messages on various machines.

    7. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by Sperbels · · Score: 1

      Now, that would be a good password. How many hackers would try composing a complex sentence like that? Maybe if everyone did passwords like that, but few people do. It would be like writing a virus to infect machines browsing the internet with Lynx...what's the point? Maybe 1 in 1,000,000 users will be using Lynx.

    8. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Throw in a single space, spelling mistake, or capital letter and try it.

    9. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by Ghaoth · · Score: 0

      "The report critiques how bad people are at making secure passwords" Why do "bad people" make secure passwords? Perhaps bad written language makes good passwords.

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    10. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      The "at" makes that sentence unambiguous, you know.

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    11. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by Ghaoth · · Score: 1

      The punctuation doesn't.

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    12. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I can't be bothered to diagram the sentence for you, but I promise there's nothing grammatically wrong with it (not even the punctuation).

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    13. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by Ghaoth · · Score: 1

      I didn't say "grammar". There is a difference between the colloquial and the written word. Inflections cannot be made in the written word. This is the problem with many people writing today, they write how they speak. If often does not make sense. Writing is a linear process. When reading, most people cannot read ahead to gain the inflection required to interpret the text correctly. Instead of writing "The report critiques how bad people are at making secure passwords.", it may be better to write "The report critiques how people are bad at making secure passwords."

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    14. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The second sentence has a different meaning, so your second sentence is no alternative.
      In the first senctence, "how bad people are" refers to the level of badness. The second sentence, "how people are bad" refers in which way people are bad. To see this effect in a different way, change "bad" in "fast". Then the first sentence would refer to the short time needed to make a password, and the second would refer to the method used to make a password rapidly.

    15. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would have been at least decent right up to the point where he posted it on Slashdot. Now it's a terrible password.

    16. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Each word in a dictionary attack is still better entropy than a single letter in the alphabet (1 out of [words in dictionary] vs 1 out of 26). Granted, that password is still only 12 pieces to grab, its still better than a 12 character password in terms of entropy by my math.

      For my clients I recommend 16 character fully random passwords. ymmv.

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    17. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      I always tell my customers to look around, killer passwords are everywhere. The street signs in front of your house? Take the first three letters of the first cross street in front of your home,add your street number. Carry your phone everywhere? Go to about phone and take the first few letters/numbers from each field. And there is a bazillion apps out there that will save passwords and even generate them on demand.

      The problem is that folks have had it drummed into their heads that they have to "make up" passwords all the time and because most simply suck at that task you get these really simple passwords when in reality you are surrounded by really good passwords and just never notice.

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    18. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      Generally speaking:

      - Avoid the 5000 most commonly used English (or your language's) words.
      - Odd capitalization helps, as long as you can remember it
      - Misspellings are a good idea
      - L33T speak ("0" in place of "o") is basically worthless
      - Tacking together 2-4 less commonly used words, mixed in with numbers/symbols still works moderately well. Figure 16 or 17 bits per word, plus 4-5 bits per symbol/number, plus 0.5 bits for every change in case.
      - Pure random is difficult, unless you have KeyPass or store passwords in some other encrypted system.
      - Getting above at least 45 bits is currently a decent goal, but you'll need to be up to 50 bits of strength within the next 10 years.
      - 16-20 digit random alphanumeric passwords with random capitalization are around 96-120 bits.
      - Anything 8 digits or less can be cracked in under a day by even a modestly funded attacker ($1000 of hardware)

      On Linux, we use a minimum length of 15 and it has to pass cracklib compexlity rules. On the Windows domain, minimum length of 14 plus complexity requirements. We recommend something that is 16-20 characters long. (Our Linux servers, however are moderately more secure, because you can't SSH to them without a public-key pair.)

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    19. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by hacker · · Score: 1

      I love how people with a clue suggest people use different passwords everywhere and then more or less every single page in the universe require you to have a freaking login and often don't use any central stuff for doing so (somewhat better now with facebook and Google then again do I really want to connect my accounts that way?)

      I'm confused. Are you saying we shouldn't use individual logins, and should use a centralized system of login and authentication instead? That's precisely what we do NOT need. Reusing passwords across multiple sites increases the speed and attack vector.

      Using a centralized service ("Log in with your Facebook or Twitter Account here...") magnifies the problem even further.

      No, if you want true security in the current environment, always choose to create an account, using the local system's own mechanism, and keep a unique, strong password embedded in that system.

      Sharing passwords across systems or reusing the same authentication mechanism across systems is just opening a huge hole so big you could swim in it.

      What happens when a flaw in the central authentication system is discovered? What happens when your Facebook credentials are stolen, and now hundreds of other sites you've enabled their use upon, suddenly become open to the criminals who obtained your Facebook authentication?

      Resist the urge to centralize you authentication. Seriously, you're asking for trouble. Don't do it.

    20. Re:OMG Pony BotNet! by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Isn't it quite a bit better that I say use one password for Facebook and then identify on a lot of other places with the Facebook credentials rather than use the same password on lots of different pages there each one can be broken into and my password cracked rather than just Facebook?

      Also if it's say logging in to write a comment on some blog or say on Tom's hardware or whatever why do I even need the freaking log-in in the first place? I would be happy enough with leaving my name.

      If you don't have a tracker of some sort for all your passwords and you don't want to ask for a new one each time you want to log-in re-usage will happen.

      I wont make unique strong passwords in every place using my mind.

      I wouldn't care if criminals could post as me on Tom's hardware ..

      Also what I kinda like is the bankid stuff we've got here where you can log-in into your Internet bank, make some kind of certification and store that locally and then say when you are to declare your taxes you can log-in using that and a password. Obviously fail if someone get hold of the certificate in a way which have it work + password but don't need any unique or good passwords for each page at least.

      (the dictionary complain about login and reusage so ..)

  2. I have some bad news and some good news by 14erCleaner · · Score: 5, Funny

    The bad news is that 2 million passwords have been compromised.

    The good news is that they're all "123456".

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    1. Re:I have some bad news and some good news by bob_super · · Score: 2

      The worse news is that the information they protect is all about Tim's lunch and Kristy's horrible new shoes.

    2. Re:I have some bad news and some good news by HairyNevus · · Score: 4, Funny

      At least it wasn't 00000000...

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    3. Re:I have some bad news and some good news by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      You like my posts about lunch.... DONT YOU!!!!

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    4. Re: I have some bad news and some good news by tcdragon94 · · Score: 2

      Crazy! I have the same code on my luggage.

    5. Re: I have some bad news and some good news by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      Crazy! I have the same code on my luggage.

      NSA: Thanks, Mr. Nevus, we were having a hard time opening up your 'lost' luggage from your last trip.

    6. Re:I have some bad news and some good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hey, it was good enough for the Enterprise...

      http://i.imgur.com/TDAZbs0.jpg

    7. Re:I have some bad news and some good news by dreamchaser · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a bit ironic that the summary mentions having strong passwords when it was a keylogger to blame. It wouldn't matter how strong the passwords are in that case.

    8. Re:I have some bad news and some good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Stop making sense. It hurts!

    9. Re:I have some bad news and some good news by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      That's amazing. I've got the same combination on my luggage!

    10. Re:I have some bad news and some good news by michelcolman · · Score: 2

      Use a password like "pass123word", first type "password", then place the cursor between the fourth and fifth character, then type "123". They'll need something a bit more sophisticated than a simple keylogger to catch those.

      I remember many years ago some old version of Mac OS X refused to let you move the cursor in between already typed password characters, I filed a bug report and got "behaves as intended", but fortunately they came to their senses some time afterwards.

    11. Re:I have some bad news and some good news by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Many keyloggers log mouse clicks too. Your technique would stifle an automated scrape, but likely human eyes are going to be looking at keylogged data at some point anyway, otherwise it's just noise. There's no algorithm for "separate out the password typing from all this other typing." So at best they have to order the characters you've helpfully provided. That means the number of possible permutations is just 9: k (length) of "password" (8) + 1, in case you positioned the cursor before the first letter. If you clicked between every character, it would still only be k^2, so a whopping 121 permutations for 11 characters. If anything, your technique would just draw more attention, I would be more likely to send you an email saying "nice try."

      If I were into that sort of thing.

    12. Re:I have some bad news and some good news by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Most keyloggers probably just look for sequences of "a few keys - Tab - a few keys - Enter", they have millions of keyloggers out there, are they really going to spend their time looking over logs manually? The automatic detectors will give them plenty of accounts, no need to do 1000 times more work for 10% extra.

      (I hope)

    13. Re:I have some bad news and some good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You also hope they just log keyboard and don't actually inject stuff into your browser, mailer or IM to simply intercept log in requests.

      Best defense against key loggers is not getting infected in the first place, but it's fucking hard when just viewing an image could pwn your computer and all anti-malware is still pretty much reactive, not pro-active, and often gets the ability to detect new malware days or even weeks after it starts appearing in the wild.

    14. Re:I have some bad news and some good news by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Yep, I was just talking about keyloggers. Plenty of other malware out there, unfortunately.

    15. Re:I have some bad news and some good news by Ocean+Consulting · · Score: 1

      The slashdot editor dropped the last part of my summary which read: "The identity of the malware used was not mentioned. Changing your password is nice, however, useless if your network is still infected."

    16. Re:I have some bad news and some good news by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      The amount of processing that it's worthwhile to perform really depends on the amount of data you have. If it's a dragnet attack, then a high degree of automation is worthwhile, but if it's a targeted attack, then human processing is much more likely.

      About 7 years ago, after some suspicious symptoms, I discovered there was an outgoing connection to an IRC channel from my machine. I ran a network sniffer and discovered that every keystroke and mouse click were being sent, along with the name of the object that handled the click.

      If the person or people who wrote the malware hadn't decided to change my email password, it could've been a long time before I noticed I was compromised. I never found the attack vector. In retrospect, it may have been my ex.

    17. Re:I have some bad news and some good news by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      You say that in jest, but according to Good Morning America the majority of them actually were 123456!

  3. For the record by koan · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm not bad at making up secure passwords, I'm just bad at remembering them.

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    1. Re:For the record by TechnoLuddite · · Score: 0

      Sir, had I the points, I would mod you up as Interesting, Funny, AND Informative.

    2. Re:For the record by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Sir, had I the points, I would mod you up as Interesting, Funny, AND Informative.

      I still want a sad-but-true mod. I know someone else who has the same problem.

  4. 12345? by Apothem · · Score: 1

    That's the sort of thing some idiot would put on his luggage!

    1. Re:12345? by tgetzoya · · Score: 2

      Incredible, that's the combination to my luggage!

    2. Re:12345? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      And my safe at home, too!

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  5. Wrong problem? by Kwyj1b0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The data says that the 10th password in the list was used by 1000 users out of two million. The top ten, combined, accounts for 36,000 (eyeballed) of the two million passwords. That doesn't seem like an epidemic to me. A bit less than 2% - that is actually, IMO, quite good. Two percent of internet users are bad at understanding security? Wow.

    The keylogger is a bigger problem - so long as I type in my passwords, the keylogger can always find out what I am doing! I could have a 20 character really secure password, to no effect. Hell, things in real life are much worse. My pin is 4 digits long, banks identify me by the last four digits of my SSN (which, quite helpfully, they send out in the mail they send me). Maybe it is time to stop bashing people for choosing insecure passwords, and try to fix the systemic problems?

    1. Re:Wrong problem? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Like running insecure Operating systems?

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    2. Re:Wrong problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like running insecure Operating systems?

      More like: Putting an air gap between your authentication device and the system with which you are authenticating.

    3. Re:Wrong problem? by lgw · · Score: 1

      So what's that secure operating system again? I used to argue that SE Linux was the only OS that could reasonably called secure, but given the recent NSA revelations I think we're back to nothing. Or are you still complaining about Windows 98?

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    4. Re:Wrong problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Someone's going to post "use Firefox and noscript, flashblock, ..." but that solution doesn't really work anymore as there are just too many sites and too many scripts to look at before getting any useful work done. I bet many others like me just make a quick judgement on whether the main site is legit, click "allow all this page" and hope to God or whatever that they are careful about where they pull data from. Security is valuable but so is my time and I have no choice if I need to get things quickly done. All the other custom crap like DNS blackholes, firewalling, etc... are even less manageable and more prone to errors. I suppose the best thing would be to browse in a VM and always browse a protected site in a unique session, resetting the VM after each instance but that's a massive headache too for casual browsing even for an experienced IT professional.

    5. Re:Wrong problem? by BillX · · Score: 1

      +1 to this. The spread of good/bad/awful passwords (according to the authors' somewhat ad-hoc classification) is not too surprising on its own, but this data also has a strong selection bias toward users with lax security practices in general: this dataset consists exclusively of users with an active malware infestation.

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    6. Re:Wrong problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So what's that secure operating system again? I used to argue that SE Linux was the only OS that could reasonably called secure, but given the recent NSA revelations I think we're back to nothing. Or are you still complaining about Windows 98?

      I would argue that SE Linux is still very secure. I would also argue it's not the only one out there (OpenBSD created a secure OS way before it became fashionable)

      You seem to be under the assumption that you could actually secure yourself from the NSA regardless of what OS you run.

    7. Re:Wrong problem? by plover · · Score: 1

      2% is still a big problem. When you are trying to hack in, you don't care much which account lets you in the door. Get in first, then escalate your privileges.

      2% means if I try these top ten bad passwords on about 50 accounts, I'll probably get a strike. If an account is locked out after three tries, then i can try the top three out on about 200 accounts, and might still have success.

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    8. Re:Wrong problem? by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      So what's that secure operating system again? I used to argue that SE Linux was the only OS that could reasonably called secure, but given the recent NSA revelations I think we're back to nothing. Or are you still complaining about Windows 98?

      SE Linux is secure. It's designed so that the NSA can spy on you but no one else can.

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    9. Re:Wrong problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, if a user account is all they need to access the system and run a privilege escalation then all they have to do is sign up themselves...no need for anyone else's account.
      If you are giving every Tom, Dick and Harry who gives you their e-mail address the opportunity to execute arbitrary code on your system then you have much bigger problems.

    10. Re:Wrong problem? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The data says that the 10th password in the list was used by 1000 users out of two million. The top ten, combined, accounts for 36,000 (eyeballed) of the two million passwords. That doesn't seem like an epidemic to me. A bit less than 2% - that is actually, IMO, quite good. Two percent of internet users are bad at understanding security? Wow.

      You're bad at understanding reality. This only shows that at least two percent of internet users are bad at understanding security. There's lots of ways your password can be bad which don't involve it being the same as someone else's.

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    11. Re:Wrong problem? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      What I see from this is that the sample is flawed. We can't infer from this data that internet users create bad passwords. What we can infer, if the passwords show a trend of being poor passwords, is that internet users who have a keylogger installed create bad passwords. If you already have a keylogger on your system, you are probably quite lax about security.

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    12. Re:Wrong problem? by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      More importantly, the key logger can also just download your CC # data from the first online transaction you make while its active and no longer need your passwords.

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    13. Re:Wrong problem? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Well, I love the model used by SE Linux - make security program-oriented instead of user-oriented. It really ramps up the security of a trusted distro, by thwarting a malicious patch.

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    14. Re:Wrong problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it works. I use FF + NoScript + Ghostery and if a site fails to load what I want because of it's reliance on 3rd party scripts, I find what I want elsewhere. Once I've used a site for a bit I will typically enable it's domain so I just block the external scripts, but invariably the ones that I do that for are the ones that don't load external scripts (or use popular CDNs, which after 3+ years on this beast I think I've whitelisted all the ones I want).

      Oh yeah, and don't use Windows. My buddies on Win 8 and Win 7 have been malwared this week and had to do the format/reinstall dance.

    15. Re:Wrong problem? by Kwyj1b0 · · Score: 1

      I thought of that, and I'm not sure how much of an impact that has in reality. The password 0 doesn't occur in this list. However, someone with a password of 0 is extremely insecure.

      But from a practical standpoint, these companies might want a six or more character password with multiple cases, etc. To try and brute force a lot of passwords is extremely impractical. On the other hand, just trying the most common password again and again is much faster, and I can still own a significant number of accounts.

      There is no data here on bad password habits (like using a name, year of birth, or other such habits). If a significant portion of users did that, it is important to consider those as well. But on the whole, there are more systemic flaws, which was my point. This whole blame users for poor habits is counter-productive. If you don't realize that the system is flawed, you blame 'lusers' and have no incentive to fix the system (which should be the goal of anyone designing a consumer-friendly yet secure system).

    16. Re:Wrong problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The solution I found is to a new product that protects against the scripts. Program is form Strickeforce and in a soft launch right now. I just bought not only is it a patent pending solution it also has an affiliate program as well.

      What I am finding out in my reading of these problems is that most people think keylogging is a program to spy on your kids and what they do, they do not realize it is becoming a bigger Cyber Threat than anything else.

      Cyber Wealth7 is the only authorized reseller of the product now and you can review it at www.cyberwealth7.com/StopKeylogging.

  6. Rumors say ... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

    ... Chinese and Taiwan Keyboards have a logger build in in hardware, storing all key presses in a kind of flash. And they simply collect old keyboards on the way to the garbage deposits.

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    1. Re:Rumors say ... by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 1

      ... Chinese and Taiwan Keyboards have a logger build in in hardware, storing all key presses in a kind of flash. And they simply collect old keyboards on the way to the garbage deposits.

      Hmmm. No comment on the CHinese/Taiwan aspect, but that one *would* be an interesting type of penetration technique. Convince some target (maybe a bank) to participate in a "beta test" of some new super ergonomic keyboard that your "company" has developed. Have a keylogger built into each them. Have them rigged to "fail" randomly after 30-60 days of use. Aplogise profusely, take the "failed" keyboards, and dump the logs.

      Of course, it'd be even easier to just build some sort of wireless system into them, and then have a "janitor" periodically wheel around a polling server in the bottom of a trash bin. Given the amount of empty volume inside most keyboards, this wouldn't be too hard to pull off (technically, that is).

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    2. Re:Rumors say ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... Chinese and Taiwan Keyboards have a logger build in in hardware, storing all key presses in a kind of flash. And they simply collect old keyboards on the way to the garbage deposits.

      I didn't realize the homeless guy with a drinking problem who roots through my garbage for recyclables was really a Chinese spy.

    3. Re:Rumors say ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't sound like utter-bullshit at all.

      http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dr+horrible+so+they+say&sm=3

    4. Re:Rumors say ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be retarded. All it takes is one guy opening a keyboard and your whole operation is fucked, and that is if you manage to keep it secret until any is sold.

    5. Re:Rumors say ... by thrillseeker · · Score: 1

      They're that good!

    6. Re:Rumors say ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Pfft, save yourself the trouble and bug a USB keyboard. That way it can just post the files *encrypted* to pastebin automatically.

      * = if you give a shit.

    7. Re:Rumors say ... by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the offspring of an old urban legend involving images stolen from Daniel Rutter's review of an actual keyboard logger.

      http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/dellbug.asp
      http://www.dansdata.com/keyghost.htm

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  7. Secure password vs keylogger. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see what protection a secure password offers against a keylogger.

    1. Re: Secure password vs keylogger. by decsnake · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A "secure" password does nothing to mitigate keyloggers. The only thing that does is two factor.

      I think the comments regarding the password strength were general, and basically the usual Slashdot topic drift.

      IMO it's way past time for two factor everywhere. Federating logins makes that much more feasible.

    2. Re: Secure password vs keylogger. by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Google and Facebook offer simple two-factor that works with any cellphone capable of SMS. Facebook also has a keygen built into their smartphone app. I wish everyone did this.

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    3. Re: Secure password vs keylogger. by BradMajors · · Score: 1

      I am just wishing for all access to my accounts from eastern Europe to be blocked. If Netflix can do it, why can't my bank?

    4. Re: Secure password vs keylogger. by arth1 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Google and Facebook offer simple two-factor that works with any cellphone capable of SMS. Facebook also has a keygen built into their smartphone app. I wish everyone did this.

      I don't. Most of all because not everyone has a mobile phone with SMS subscription. But also because coverage is rather spotty. I work in a building that's shielded. No cell phone service at all. And large areas outside the cities and suburbs have truly bad-to-non-existing coverage.
      Even if the majority of people can use it, it would cut off a lot of people who can't.

    5. Re: Secure password vs keylogger. by JakartaDean · · Score: 1

      Google and Facebook offer simple two-factor that works with any cellphone capable of SMS. Facebook also has a keygen built into their smartphone app. I wish everyone did this.

      My 2FA from Google stopped working a few months ago, so I had to turn it off. I don't know why, but I no longer got SMS messages when I asked them to authorize something. Annoying.

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    6. Re: Secure password vs keylogger. by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Informative

      The keygen would still work, plus Google will let you print out one-time use codes that you can keep in your wallet. I have had to use those before. Google will also let you set up a phone number that it will ring with the code - and naturally your desk phone at work sounds like a pretty good candidate.

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    7. Re: Secure password vs keylogger. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My bank does this and it would be great except I don't feel like paying for a text message or phone call every time I want to check my balance (yes, I'm cheap and don't have a smartphone or unlimited texts, get off my lawn).

      They have an email option but they won't let domestic customers choose it because they claim phone/email is more secure.

      So what do they tell their international customers about security, whose only option is email authentication?

      And what's more likely: a hacker gains access to my email and bank account, or a hacker bypasses the bank's "security" entirely and has access to EVERYONE'S bank account?

      After social engineering and/or phishing, it's not really worth the effort to try and break into individual accounts. At least not in comparison to breaking into ALL accounts.

    8. Re: Secure password vs keylogger. by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      And what's more likely: a hacker gains access to my email and bank account, or a hacker bypasses the bank's "security" entirely and has access to EVERYONE'S bank account?

      Well, based on the torrents of spam that I get from friends and relatives hijacked accounts, I'd say pretty darned likely.

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    9. Re: Secure password vs keylogger. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can, but you haven't threatened to leave them over it yet. Try it!
      Don't go in there and make an ultimatum or anything like that. Just walk in, and act like you are just closing your account with them, and when they ask why, you tell them. They will probably make an offer. And if they offer nothing but "sorry!" then you know they never cared to begin with and you are making the right choice.

    10. Re: Secure password vs keylogger. by michelcolman · · Score: 2

      And you could turn it off without using 2FA?! Seriously?!

    11. Re: Secure password vs keylogger. by mjr167 · · Score: 1

      Log on, get your key texted to you, then walk outside to get the message :P. Not really any different than when google asks you to reauthenticate and your phone is downstairs or in the car or not charged.

    12. Re: Secure password vs keylogger. by museumpeace · · Score: 1

      i set my FB acct to require 2FA if its accessed from an "unfamiliar" device. Yes, I need to be carrying my phone to make that work but the two conditions, novel device and carrying cell phone DO correlate for me. I think it worth the cost of a txt message since I wind up with a record [also event notification emails] of any attempt to break in to my account

      now if I just had any social life or was someone interesting enough to be spied upon, this would all be justified and useful.

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    13. Re: Secure password vs keylogger. by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Like hell I want to give facebook my phone number.

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    14. Re: Secure password vs keylogger. by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Or vagina--er, I mean, Google.

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    15. Re: Secure password vs keylogger. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Log on, get your key texted to you, then walk outside to get the message :P. Not really any different than when google asks you to reauthenticate and your phone is downstairs or in the car or not charged.

      Way different. Because Google has never asked me to reauthenticate. Google doesn't know my phone number, or even whether I have a phone. If you have given that information to Google, that's your problem, not mine.

    16. Re: Secure password vs keylogger. by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Neither has called me on my cell phone, no have I seen an increase in solicitation or scam calls.

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    17. Re: Secure password vs keylogger. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most likely from a device that he disabled 2FA on. I do it on my phone and my laptop, as nobody but me ever uses them. I also get logs of attempts to login on my account, including my own.

  8. This is a key-logger issue by BringsApples · · Score: 3, Informative

    As far as we know, this thing happens all the time, and more than likely, these PCs that are infected, are infected by more than one key-logger. Update your antivirus is a moot point, because unless the 'virus' is known, then the antivirus folks cannot do anything about it anyway. By the time these things are found out, it's far to late anyway. There is no advise that can be given here, except, "Don't get a virus", which is silly to tell someone.

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    1. Re:This is a key-logger issue by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      Don't get a virus

    2. Re:This is a key-logger issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Update your antivirus is a moot point, because unless the 'virus' is known, then the antivirus folks cannot do anything about it anyway.

      You know, there's a thing called heuristics? I'm not saying it catches everything, but it's a step in the right direction.

    3. Re:This is a key-logger issue by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good luck with that plan. I mean sure, if you're RMS and "browse the web" by wgetting the page and emailing to yourself to read in EMACS then sure, you're probably safe from drive-by attacks. But if you need JS enabled to browse then you're vulnerable.

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    4. Re:This is a key-logger issue by Burz · · Score: 2

      Or you can use this ...which I am typing in at this moment.

  9. Tell us more about the virus! by jader3rd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What security hole is the virus making use of? Is there something and end user should look out for? etc, etc?

    1. Re:Tell us more about the virus! by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      In the past you would get the OS or vendor name and hints at a fix.
      Now its some " virus got onto so many personal computers" Was it a push down from the web 2.0 sites on the PC? Or some random PC virus that spread and got a lot of web 2.0 sites details?

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    2. Re:Tell us more about the virus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wouldn't believe how many times I've went to clean a PC to find a process called "passwordlogger.exe" running. What's really bad is that most of my clients know enough to open the task manager and kill a frozen program or anything using a lot of CPU/memory for no good reason. Yet somehow that name that sticks out like a sore thumb to me seems so innocuous to them.

    3. Re:Tell us more about the virus! by Burz · · Score: 1

      User should look out for... Windows. That's what this thing runs on according to a description of this malware's predecessor/sister (linked in article). /. stories suck when they don't mention the host OS.

    4. Re:Tell us more about the virus! by Burz · · Score: 2

      It seems to be Windows, if you follow the links. I think the details are almost unimportant though; Desktops need an integrated hypervisor to be reliably secure. This greatly reduces the attack surface, though none are as good as Qubes OS at this point.

  10. not me by jafac · · Score: 4, Funny

    Good thing I almost never key-in my passwords.

    I copy them straight off of strongpasswordgenerator.com, and paste them into my password fields.

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    1. Re:not me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is tagged "funny" but pasting in your passwords from KeePassX style apps should in fact defeat keyboard loggers...as long as the logger wasn't installed when you setup your passwords.

    2. Re:not me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAHAHA, keyloggers have access to the clipboard dude. Next!

    3. Re:not me by rex.clts · · Score: 1

      KeePass supports two-channel auto-type obfuscation. While it of course can't be perfect, the timing would be very difficult for a user-mode keylogger to snatch during the auto-type.

    4. Re:not me by deroby · · Score: 2

      Seems like a fun challenge for any (serious) keylogger author out there. Probably will add a couple of hours of the more fun kind of coding to his 'job'.

      I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but it will only help out against the very basic keyloggers. Then again, it WILL protect against hardware keyloggers that sit between the keyboard and the computer as those have no access to the clipboard. But in that situation simple auto-typing or simple copy-pasting would be sufficient.

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  11. Desktop attack by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Adobe password breach was about 40-100 millon passwords,a lot reused in other services. But the method was different, instead of hacking into a single server with a very bad password policy, this went right to the desktops of people in that botnet. So no matter how safe you were using your password or picking a complex one, if your desktop security is not good enough (and there are a lot of cases of widespread malware avoiding antivirus detection for years) your carefully built password policy could be defeated at the moment of using them.

    About common passwords used, is almost predictable to find them having millons of passwords, but the strenght of the password is not the problem here.

  12. Little hint please? by Zakabog · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm looking for more technical information on this virus. Is there a collection of different key logging software all sending the passwords to the same proxy server? How does someone get infected by this virus? How about the IP addresses of the proxy servers so people can at least look for traffic from their firewalls?

    This article seems kind of useless other than to scare people into purchasing some protection, which conveniently the company writing the article sells!

    1. Re:Little hint please? by Teun · · Score: 1
      It (still) takes a Windows computer to get infected but don't hold your breath...

      If the proxy's IP was known it would be shut down, you are looking at an after the facts solution.
      Oh yeah, you could read the linked articles, they give reasonable data.

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    2. Re:Little hint please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This article seems kind of useless other than to scare people into purchasing some protection, which conveniently the company writing the article sells!

      To be fair, the only people who used the word "virus" were CNN and Slashdot. They didn't talk about attack vectors to plant the botnet software on the compromised workstations, but the usual and most likely method is a trojan or a drive-by download.

      Sadly, people continue to use the word "virus" to mean "malware". Actual Viruses are exceptionally rare these days.

  13. Hey, if you get a minute. by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Since they haven't published the impacted usernames yet, if one of you has access to the database, could you see if my password is in it?

    D0uble!!8R3view

    T.I.A.

    1. Re:Hey, if you get a minute. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Since they haven't published the impacted usernames yet, if one of you has access to the database, could you see if my password is in it?

      D0uble!!8R3view

      T.I.A.

      Actually they should publish a list of the hashed passwords. I am eagerly awaiting this to find out if I have been hacked! For example, if they published a list of the passwords hashed with SHA256, then average joe slashdot could do a lookup on the list of 2 million to see if their password was compromised, without having to reveal the actual password in plaintext. I just checked, the SHA256 hash of your password is: "497835d7e73195527ab79857ec051bf2c13ad51c02f48a2af252fa2805a866cb" So in my proposed scheme, you could download software to check SHA256 hash, type in your password, and then paste the resulting hash into a search query on the list of compromised passwords.

    2. Re:Hey, if you get a minute. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think I've got you beat on entropy:

      qbJSK08jPHl3t4u7

      They can't crack 95-bit random passwords yet, so I should be totally safe, right?

      -Posting as AC because I can't login to my /. account right now. I think must be a temporary glitch.

    3. Re:Hey, if you get a minute. by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'll offer that as a web service.

      Just type your most commonly used username/password pairs into my website, and I'll instantly tell you if they're compromised.

    4. Re:Hey, if you get a minute. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least you only need one landing page :P

  14. submission retarded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...captured via a key logging virus....."
    ".. The report critiques how bad people are at making secure passwords..."

    "...captured via a key logging virus....."
    ".. The report critiques how bad people are at making secure passwords..."

    submission retarded.

  15. Yeah, they all require an email address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So should we setup a separate email address at google for each vendor account we create? I mean, half the time I cannot remember the password and ask for the password reset link anyway.

    1. Re:Yeah, they all require an email address by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Informative

      With your own domain and software like KeePassX, it's surprisingly easy. You never even have to type passwords or usernames. Once you get it set up it's actually even easier than using the same password everywhere, and vastly more safe.

    2. Re:Yeah, they all require an email address by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 0

      > should we setup a separate email address at google for each vendor account we create?

      You don't already use an alias? username+vendor@gmail.com

      I have a personal domain name and create a separate email for every company I do business with. Along with KeePass it is trivial to remember passwords.

    3. Re:Yeah, they all require an email address by formfeed · · Score: 5, Informative

      > should we setup a separate email address at google for each vendor account we create?

      You don't already use an alias? username+vendor@gmail.com

      Surprising how many scripts tell you that this is not a valid email address.

    4. Re:Yeah, they all require an email address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So - just one email account password to crack - right? Discard to the right of the + symbol in the user portion of your address, and we're done. Brilliant solution you've got there..I hope the world adopts it. I'm rather tired of earning legitimate income - I'd like to use yours'.

    5. Re:Yeah, they all require an email address by aliquis · · Score: 1

      I know. I once used 1Password and good passwords, but it didn't worked with Opera and all OSes. KeePass is more transferable but I feel I want to be able to access from everywhere and I also want to have access to passwords for things not web-related.

      The first solution I had was passwords in a gpg-encrypted local text file but I stopped using that when I stopped using the drive which held both the file and the gpg key.

    6. Re:Yeah, they all require an email address by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      I guess the point is that by using some unified login platform you don't give any password at all to the service providers you're using, just a token. so no, you don't need to create a new email account for every service unless you're worried about spam they might send in which case use an email alias(though probably half of the services that want to spam you are going to filter the +alias on gmail anyways soon enough... hotmail allows normal alias creation up to a certain number).

      besides though, can you sign up to any service apart from email services without an email confirmation nowadays?

      (look it up how it works if you have no clue yet).

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    7. Re:Yeah, they all require an email address by fredan · · Score: 1

      that's why you using username-vendor@yourowndomain.com. works everywhere.

    8. Re:Yeah, they all require an email address by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      I do ... obviously. Its a great trick, and it helps track spam sources too.

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    9. Re:Yeah, they all require an email address by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      If you *never* have to enter passwords (not even a master password to unlock the store?), I would be very suspicious of this tool's security.

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    10. Re:Yeah, they all require an email address by Cinder6 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't help you now (probably), but 1Password works with Opera on OS X now, and they're working on Windows Opera support. There's also an Android version coming soon-ish.

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    11. Re:Yeah, they all require an email address by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

      should we setup a separate email address at google for each vendor account we create?

      You don't already use an alias? username+vendor@gmail.com

      Surprising how many scripts tell you that this is not a valid email address.

      Seriously!! I keep thinking I should set up a "shame" website to list sites that do stupid validation like this. There must be loads of devs using the same borked regex and it pisses me off no end!

    12. Re:Yeah, they all require an email address by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Well, you do have to enter the master password. (Figured I would save you the research since you obviously don't have time to do so before posting.)

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    13. Re:Yeah, they all require an email address by hacker · · Score: 1

      Why not use KeePass on your phone then? It supports BlackBerry, Android and iOS.

      Or export the data from KeePass and GPG ascii-armor that and email it to youself?

      There's plenty of ways to do that. I keep lots of non-web data within KeePass, and it's been remarkably useful to me for more than just "logins".

    14. Re:Yeah, they all require an email address by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Well, "once" does not equal "never," now, does it?

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    15. Re:Yeah, they all require an email address by aliquis · · Score: 1

      I don't have a smartphone.

      I think those random password generators and "keeptrackors" is the most convenient and best but I've also considered using https://www.grc.com/offthegrid.htm or that together with something else.

      As for the the guy talking down the "bunch of words"-approach I guess one could take words from different languages and then throw in a few extra characters and numbers in a few groups here and there just to mess up if someone only use dictionaries and then it would become somewhat harder (though if one use the same password or the same places for things always it's not all that great anyway.)

    16. Re:Yeah, they all require an email address by hacker · · Score: 1

      As for the the guy talking down the "bunch of words"-approach I guess one could take words from different languages and then throw in a few extra characters and numbers in a few groups here and there just to mess up if someone only use dictionaries and then it would become somewhat harder.

      Actually, no.

      What you've done is make it take marginally longer to guess your password, but not impossible. By marginally, I mean minutes to hours in most cases, not days, weeks, months or years. Just try sticking a sample password of words from different languages into Google for example, and watch it cleanly cleave those words apart into a logical search.

      Lexical matching + brute force is a solved problem. Password cracking doesn't just bash letters against a wall until it gets a match anymore. At least good ones don't.

  16. My Bank Has The Solution: Mother's Maiden Name by rueger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of late my bank has been on a new drive to irritate all customers under the guise of protecting our security. On top the ever so secure four number PIN, and the usual login password, and the three digit CVV number (which I assume anyone stealing credit card info will also collect).

    They now have two very secure additions to their arsenal:

    1) Once you have logged in, and you wish to add another company to the list of those to whom you can send money - bill payments - you must also type in a five digit security code. A code that different from your PIN, or any other log-in.

    Of course because you only use this about once a year you will have forgotten it, so you need to generate new one. While still logged in. With no further authentication.

    Yes, adding a payee to the list requires you to enter a number that you created five seconds previously. Wow. I feel so safe.

    2) Authentication Questions: the ever popular list of ten questions about things that you did thirty-five years ago, or where there could be multiple possible answers. Where did you meet your spouse? (Which one?) What was the name of your childhood pet? (Again, which one?) What was your favourite TV show at age 13? (Damned if I know.) What was the Zip Code of your Grade Three elementary school?

    In other words, my money is secured through the use of a list of questions that any of my Facebook followers could find in about five minutes. Assuming that I ever put anything truthful on Facebook.

    The basic problem is that the whole password concept stopped being an effective protection years ago, and no-one has come up with a really good way to replace it. So instead we get corporations forcing people to jump through meaningless hoops in the hopes that we won't notice.

    Or worse, encouraging us to use one corporation's log-in across multiple platforms - thus ensuring that one security breach will open many doors to your on-line affairs. Seriously, does anyone think that using Facebook to log in elsewhere is a good idea?

    1. Re:My Bank Has The Solution: Mother's Maiden Name by javacowboy · · Score: 2

      What's worse is that the mother's maiden name question doesn't work:

      1) If your mother divorced your father and took her maiden name.
      2) If you're relatively young and your mother lives in Quebec, where women are now required to keep their maiden names.

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    2. Re:My Bank Has The Solution: Mother's Maiden Name by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of late my bank has been on a new drive to irritate all customers under the guise of protecting our security.

      UK banks have introduced personal card readers. When prompted you insert your card into your own card reader, enter your PIN and then enter a number that the website gives you. You then enter into the web form the resulting number that your card reader provides. In this way, you have proven that you have physical access to your bank card.

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    3. Re:My Bank Has The Solution: Mother's Maiden Name by michelcolman · · Score: 2

      2) Authentication Questions: the ever popular list of ten questions about things that you did thirty-five years ago, or where there could be multiple possible answers. Where did you meet your spouse? (Which one?) What was the name of your childhood pet? (Again, which one?) What was your favourite TV show at age 13? (Damned if I know.) What was the Zip Code of your Grade Three elementary school?
        In other words, my money is secured through the use of a list of questions that any of my Facebook followers could find in about five minutes. Assuming that I ever put anything truthful on Facebook.

      Never use a truthful answer for those questions. Just use an extra password as the answer. Of course that doesn't solve the problem of 99% of people actually typing correct answers to those questions, getting hacked, and possibly compromising your information via information they have about you.

      Really, these security questions ought to be outlawed rather than required.

    4. Re:My Bank Has The Solution: Mother's Maiden Name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the multiple answers add to YOUR security. Which one indeed. The one you never had, of course. That way anyone who has researched you won't be able to guess it either.

      Pick a person, someone you know, some character in a book, some character in a pen and paper RPG, someone, who cares, and answer the questions as they would have answered them.

      And always use the same other person.

      Answer everything suerpcalifragilisticexpialadocious for all I care.

      Quit bitching about options that make things more difficult (presumably they sent the new password to an email account you specified sometime other than 5 minutes previously) for thieves, and use them to your advantage.

    5. Re:My Bank Has The Solution: Mother's Maiden Name by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      When a site asks me for things like mothers maidens name I generate another random string, give them that, store it in my encrypted password database and occasionally email that db to my email addresses in case I need one of those passwords in an emergency.

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    6. Re:My Bank Has The Solution: Mother's Maiden Name by istartedi · · Score: 2

      True story--in order to get my California driver's license I needed a birth cert. A copy would not do. I had to go back to my place of birth and get a copy with a raised seal on it. This was not easy to do directly or quickly. An expediting service was the most reasonable way to do it. The expediting service used security questions to assure that it was really me. There were several questions. Most of them were easy. Then I came to... "which one of these is a phone number you used in the past 10 years". Oh crap. I don't know anybody's phone number now. It's "open list, select Jerry, dial". Jerry's number? Couldn't tell you to save my life. MY number? I never dial it of course. It used to be staring me in the face on my bill all those many years ago... until the bills became an automatic charge on my credit card... and I moved several times... into different area codes.

      I stared at the numbers. One looked familiar. I went with my gut. I was right; but I was sweating bullets.

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  17. Whoosh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NSA: Thanks, Mr. Nevus, we were having a hard time opening up your 'lost' luggage from your last trip.

    The joke is on you, NSA. Besides, his last "trip" involved taking four tabs of acid.

    1. Re:Whoosh? by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      Besides, his last "trip" involved taking four tabs of acid

      Nothing strange about that - people going to be out of the local reality set that damned long should definitely pack for the journey. I recommend an original era Steve Ditko Doctor Strange comic, and an autograph book just in case they see Leonard Nimoy or John Nobel.

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  18. Our password policy is so bad that. . . by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

    . . .I just went to keyboard patterns. Now I can paint the Last Supper on the keyboard, and log in, within a five minute span.

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  19. Oh dear! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't realize the Chinese spy rooting around in your garbage was homeless.

  20. More conspiracy bullshit by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    If keyboards did store text "in a kind of flash" it should be trivial to retrieve the contents. The chip or even die (black blob seen on pcbs) needs access to the outside world somehow. It would need a bus of some sort like SPI, JTAG, or even 1Wire. I guess you could get creative and do something with RFID or near field but again any good lab should find that in no time.

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    1. Re:More conspiracy bullshit by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      The chip or even die (black blob seen on pcbs) needs access to the outside world somehow. It would need a bus of some sort...

      Every keyboard has such a bus -- the keystrokes have to get to the computer, after all! Just build the keylogger into the USB control chip itself.

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    2. Re:More conspiracy bullshit by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      the extra circuitry for that could/would be found.

      and it would make it more expensive. and destroy your keyboard chip business.

      now some kb's, let's say 30 out of all sold in the world, might have had chips changed for logging. but all? unlikely.

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    3. Re:More conspiracy bullshit by plover · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And how many ordinary companies making a routine purchase of seemingly ordinary keyboards test them in labs for key loggers?

      Commercial keyloggers (including devices like black market skimmers) can use GPRS cards, they can scout for open WiFi access points and transmit their payload once a day at 2:00 AM, or they can sit on a whole file waiting for a harvester to show up and retrieve the data via Bluetooth, 900 mHz, or some other wireless technology. The retrieval patterns are designed to evade detection.

      The only people investigating this stuff today are forensic investigators hired by people who are already victims, and independent security firms with nothing better to do.

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    4. Re:More conspiracy bullshit by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      the extra circuitry for that could/would be found.

      How? It would be built directly into the IC; you'd need an electron microscope to notice it (and who's going to bother looking?).

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    5. Re:More conspiracy bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only people investigating this stuff today are forensic investigators hired by people who are already victims, and independent security firms with nothing better to do.

      And yet, none of those companies have found a keyboard with a built-in keylogger.

    6. Re:More conspiracy bullshit by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      You have a very different definition of 'trivial,' my friend. Physically disassembling hardware and figuring out how to read from a hidden chip...

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    7. Re:More conspiracy bullshit by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      The chip is going to need physical connections to offload what has been collected. How do you hide a chip? Its going to be on a circuit board.

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    8. Re:More conspiracy bullshit by plover · · Score: 2

      Actually, a few hundred PIN pads with built-in skimmers and GPRS modules were distributed around Europe a few years ago.

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    9. Re:More conspiracy bullshit by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      No need for an external outgoing connection if they're harvesting them on the way to the junkyard. And like I said, busting open the thing physically exceeds my definition of 'trivial,' partly because you have to already know it's there, too.

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  21. Already changed my password by javacowboy · · Score: 1

    My old password was automatically generated and not used on any other site, and I generated a new password also not used on any other site.

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  22. Impossible!! by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Ask any slashdotter and they will tell you that you do not need AV software! All 100% of all malware is only caused by clicking and installing things.

    So feel free to continue writing posts with they can have XP OVER MY COLD DEAD HANDS with just a scanner and no protection and keep java and flash unupdated on your system.

    You will be just fine.

    1. Re:Impossible!! by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Nice try, but the party line is that the built-in AV software under Windows is more than sufficient.

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  23. how many DISTINCT passwords? by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    How many were: password, wordpass, password123, 12345 or 00000000?

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  24. Poison the well..... by PeterM+from+Berkeley · · Score: 1

    On your comment about "assuming I ever put anything truthful on Facebook..."

    Yes, if anyone asks for stuff that isn't their business, give them misinformation. If there's a lot of misinformation out there about you, it'll make it harder for an identity thief to have an accurate file.

    What the Government should do is create a whole SLEW of false identities, make them "available", watch them, trace who is trying to use them, and arrest and prosecute them. If a good fraction of identities that people are able to snarf out there are these honey pots, we'll soon cut down severely on that crime.

    --PM

  25. I'm not bad at guessing other people's passwords!! by schlachter · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just have trouble finding the people whom they belong to.

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  26. Honest question: Why is a "weak" password so bad? by spmkk · · Score: 1

    Not trolling here...I know this is the most common criticism: "Your password is only X characters long / doesn't have enough case diversity / has no special characters / contains dictionary words", etc.

    But -- in general, someone either has your password because they stole it (in which case it really doesn't matter what the password is), or they don't, in which case they have to guess or brute-force it on the website.

    Most sites won't give you more than a handful of attempts at logging in before they lock you out and force two-step authentication by making you change your password via an email/text or by asking security questions. And even if they somehow didn't, every failed attempt on a live website takes time; realistically, trying more than a few combinations isn't really worth the trouble in the vast majority of cases.

    So, in the realm of security considerations, why is a "secure" password considered so critical? It seems to me that, practically speaking, someone guessing your password is about the LEAST likely way to get compromised. What am I missing here?

  27. what's the point? by stenvar · · Score: 1

    If passwords are stolen via key loggers and break-ins into online sites anyway, why should people even bother picking secure passwords?

    1. Re:what's the point? by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      If people can smash my windows or break my lock to get into my house, why should I bother locking the door?

    2. Re:what's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arguably, there are a lot of convertible car owners who don't lock their doors...
      and this

    3. Re:what's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I drive a convertible. Often I don't lock my car doors. Most anything inside the car is cheaper and easier to replace than the roof.

    4. Re:what's the point? by mjr167 · · Score: 1

      I don't lock my front door.

  28. Re:Honest question: Why is a "weak" password so ba by PaddyM · · Score: 1

    The strong password helps protect people when it is only hashed and not salted. So if the site you use hashes the password but doesn't salt it, then your weak password would be broken more easily than a strong password. This assumes that the hackers somehow were able to access the username password database and would then employ brute force against that.

    Also, a long term brute force attack against an account with a weak password would eventually succeed in less time than one with a strong password, although this does seem impractical.

  29. Re:Honest question: Why is a "weak" password so ba by michelcolman · · Score: 1

    Even salted passwords can be cracked easily if they're not strong enough. It takes a little more time, but for passwords like "123456" it will take just a few microseconds, if that.

  30. Systemic problems by Chemisor · · Score: 1

    Maybe it is time to stop bashing people for choosing insecure passwords, and try to fix the systemic problems?

    Good idea! For example:

    • The X server does not allow any method of secure password entry. Some people actually still believe that grabbing the keyboard prevents keyloggers from reading their password. They should lookup the totally insecure XQueryKeymap call.
    • The X server allows invisible windows to take screenshots of your desktop at any time.
    • The SECURITY extension isn't secure because it does not protect against the most common threat - spyware running with user's privileges.
    • Linux kernel allows any user process to view the memory of any other user process by attaching to it as a debugger. There is no way of disabling this functionality except by manually patching the kernel.
    • LD_PRELOAD. Enough said.
    • LD_LIBRARY_PATH
    • And these are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head
    1. Re:Systemic problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A similar list for Windows 8 wouldn't fit on the internet.

  31. No good password by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you are talking about using a key logger to steal passwords, there is not such thing as a good password. To use this story as a launch pad to attack weak passwords is silly.

  32. Hosts work (here's how & why) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Add this thing's C&C Servers to hosts like so, blocking them:

    0.0.0.0 esco.myjino.ru
    0.0.0.0 myjino.ru
    0.0.0.0 s020.radikal.ru
    0.0.0.0 i016.radikal.ru
    0.0.0.0 radikal.ru

    SOURCE -> http://malware.dontneedcoffee.com/2013/10/jolly-roger-stealer-c-panel.html

    (Which is pointed to from the source article for this news on /. today...)

    IF they add anymore, keep your eyes peeled for security articles regarding that - MOST (good ones that is) post the C&C Servers etc. to block this way!

    APK

    P.S.=> Enjoy - since what you can't touch, can't touch you... apk