We heard almost the same things when decades ago dufu in patent office said "people has just about discovered and invented everything." and a top dude of IBM said "The world would need about...3 of these" when first IBM computer made.:)
His book "Computer Network" is a bible in networking for many people. Yes, what he thought about Linux is proven wrong but we still respect him.
Btw, my favourite quote of the above conversation is: "As an aside, for those folks who don't read news headers, Linus is in Finland and I am in The Netherlands. Are we reaching a situation where another critical industry, free software, that had been totally dominated by the U.S. is being taken over by the foreign competition? Will we soon see President Bush coming to Europe with Richard Stallman and Rick Rashid in tow, demanding that Europe import more American free software?"
It has already proven that there's an free OS(a software) that has not been totally dominated by U.S., we yet to see Bush(well, if not old Bush.:) coming to Europe with Richard Stallman and Rick Rashid.:)
Wouldn't be quite so funny if it was a kit car that comes in 5,000 pieces that runs linux, now would it?:P
It was funny in the first glance, then fear overcomes me: all the buses here use Volvo engines. Our life is depending on the engineers who have technical merits of running a life-depending system on...Windows 98?
I didn't say it'd be better off running Linux, but running a system which its maker planned to abandon is a bit out of hand.
The Nokia 7650 [nokia.com] was scheduled for UK release in May but it's been put back to August.
I wonder why should they postpone the schedule. They are actively promoting it here in Hong Kong(free trial, booths on street, etc.), and in other countries along asia pacific rim, too.
It should be "Don't attempt to incite counter-revolution" instead.
China communist party insists that they are still at the stage of 'revolution' and any attempt to overthrow the present Government is considered 'counter-revolutionary'.
Talking about online banking. I might have to use Windows if I had to let them communicating with commericals, as most companies there are Windows-centric. I'm glad that we work for kids, that gives us greater flexibility in choosing platform
Right you are. I know there aren't many such a case here, but my friend is working on refurbish old 486s for kids in third world. Since the requirement is to be able to surf web securely, I recommended to use stable Debian with 2.0.x kernel, which seems to work well with these old hardware, while has good security, and above all, no license fee incurred.
Now we know who we must thank. Thank you very much David Weinehall.:)
Only they'd have problem browsing pages which require mplayer plugin. Any expert out there would give me some hints?:)
As a Debian and Gentoo user and being used Linux extensively for production environment, I think I could answer some, if not all, of your questions.
Gentoo is great, its portage system rocks. The feeling of optimizing every single piece of packages squeezing last drop of performance out of existing hardware is so cool.
However, portage system cannot beat Debian's package system in production environment. First of all, most production systems have most development system removed, especially for firewalls and edge servers. We are not doing it in order to make life harder, but we must reduce of risk and lost when the boxes are being hacked.
Second, updating of packages in portage system takes too much time. Even you do the update every day 'emerge -u world' still takes you a lot of time. Not to mention when we could only perform the update once per week.
Third and most important, the strength of Debian's package system does not only lie in its technical merit, but also its overall management by maintainers. As we know Debian is divided into three distro - stable, testing and still in development(or unstable). Each branch is carefully managed and maintained. The stable distro is very desirable for most production environment.
You may say most packages in 'stable' are too out-of-date, but it's really stable, thanks to the efforts of many maintainers.
I can say, the status of portage system is very near the sid distro of Debian. However, having unstable version deployed in production environment is very risky, especially on some servers involved expensive transactions where 10% boost in performance cannot cover the lost in single downtime.
I frequently visit China and I can say only point 2) and 7) still hold. The fact that the parent is being modded up reflecting the ignorance of the majority.
I think if I had to judge US like parent did, I'll first list:
1) Stupidity and ignorance.
Yeah, I know that'd cause me some karma, but since karma system goes away I care less.:)
I dont' believe any sane people would mod it up. It's obviously a made-up story and trolling. The poster obviously hasn't been administering NT/W2K or *NIX. Clicking of menus and CLI is equally difficult if you don't know what you are doing.
Besides, I'm not sure if the price is outragous, it all depends on the problems. Supposed it is expensive, the tech man'd probably not expect another business and thus dig his own grave. Even Microsoft's support is not cheap. Check their support page. Local tech telephone support here charges US$179 per question, three question minimum.
"hello dude? I think I spot a of terrorist who is planning to dump extremely dangerous toxic matter which will destroy the civilization of Nevada as we know it. Can you come to do something about it? His name is Bus...."
I met her personally and I can tell you she really has an angel face with devil body. I believe Microsoft picks her because of that. XD
Too bad people don't like it, and the post is modded as troll. I forgot most modders don't take critism. I'd never compare them to cute girls anymore.:P
Hairy geeks, slimy geeks, overweighted geeks.... yes! That's exactly what we want to see! I'm sure nobody like those pictures taken at Microsoft's booth, they are very unprofessional.
I've read a research paper on studying the brain activities when people are doing sports. It's shown that experts have much less brain activities than novices when doing the same sports, in its conclusion it said the brain has concentrated on coordinating the body than spending too much energy on thinking.
I'm sure that researcher should have read related research papers, but still chose to make a bogus conclusion to make ignite public attention. "Yes, that's it! My kids should play less video games!"
Slashdot Mirror
REPENT, REPENT, THE END IS NIGH!
:)
We heard almost the same things when decades ago dufu in patent office said "people has just about discovered and invented everything." and a top dude of IBM said "The world would need about...3 of these" when first IBM computer made.
We are not living in US and we don't pay any US' tax and we got them for free! Absolutely freeeee!!
:)
Oh wait, we have mirrors here too....talking about community effort rather than 'sponsorship.
You deserve modded beyond 5. You almost summarized all whines that Debian users made and gave answers to them.
:D
I think we should add this post in FAQ(provided whinners care to read, that is).
According to Linux legend, a revered teacher and researcher told Linus Torvalds that he "would not get a high grade" for his creation.
:) coming to Europe with Richard Stallman and Rick Rashid. :)
The "revered teacher and researcher" in question is Professor Andy Tanenbaum.
His book "Computer Network" is a bible in networking for many people. Yes, what he thought about Linux is proven wrong but we still respect him.
Btw, my favourite quote of the above conversation is:
"As an aside, for those folks who don't read news headers, Linus is in Finland and I am in The Netherlands. Are we reaching a situation where another critical industry, free software, that had been totally dominated by the U.S. is being taken over by the foreign competition? Will we soon see President Bush coming to Europe with Richard Stallman and Rick Rashid in tow, demanding that Europe import more American free software?"
It has already proven that there's an free OS(a software) that has not been totally dominated by U.S., we yet to see Bush(well, if not old Bush.
Wouldn't be quite so funny if it was a kit car that comes in 5,000 pieces that runs linux, now would it? :P
It was funny in the first glance, then fear overcomes me: all the buses here use Volvo engines. Our life is depending on the engineers who have technical merits of running a life-depending system on...Windows 98?
I didn't say it'd be better off running Linux, but running a system which its maker planned to abandon is a bit out of hand.
Besides, we all know the NSA's top top top secret quantum computer can break any encryption quickly...
Top secret quantum computer?
The one made by Microsoft?
The Nokia 7650 [nokia.com] was scheduled for UK release in May but it's been put back to August.
I wonder why should they postpone the schedule. They are actively promoting it here in Hong Kong(free trial, booths on street, etc.), and in other countries along asia pacific rim, too.
this is called a BACK DOOR
Or BACK OFFICE...
Oh nevermind...
3) Don't attempt to incite revolution.
It should be "Don't attempt to incite counter-revolution" instead.
China communist party insists that they are still at the stage of 'revolution' and any attempt to overthrow the present Government is considered 'counter-revolutionary'.
Just fyi.
Right you are.
Talking about online banking. I might have to use Windows if I had to let them communicating with commericals, as most companies there are Windows-centric. I'm glad that we work for kids, that gives us greater flexibility in choosing platform
Right you are. I know there aren't many such a case here, but my friend is working on refurbish old 486s for kids in third world. Since the requirement is to be able to surf web securely, I recommended to use stable Debian with 2.0.x kernel, which seems to work well with these old hardware, while has good security, and above all, no license fee incurred.
:)
:)
Now we know who we must thank. Thank you very much David Weinehall.
Only they'd have problem browsing pages which require mplayer plugin. Any expert out there would give me some hints?
Something that hasn't been updated in a year and a half counts as "maintained" in your book?
2.0 is pretty much dead.
Do you bother to read the article before trolling?
"The 2.0.40 kernel is due to be released soon."
Does that hundreds of Code Red attack on my Debian servers count?
Just curious.
As a Debian and Gentoo user and being used Linux extensively for production environment, I think I could answer some, if not all, of your questions.
Gentoo is great, its portage system rocks. The feeling of optimizing every single piece of packages squeezing last drop of performance out of existing hardware is so cool.
However, portage system cannot beat Debian's package system in production environment. First of all, most production systems have most development system removed, especially for firewalls and edge servers. We are not doing it in order to make life harder, but we must reduce of risk and lost when the boxes are being hacked.
Second, updating of packages in portage system takes too much time. Even you do the update every day 'emerge -u world' still takes you a lot of time. Not to mention when we could only perform the update once per week.
Third and most important, the strength of Debian's package system does not only lie in its technical merit, but also its overall management by maintainers. As we know Debian is divided into three distro - stable, testing and still in development(or unstable). Each branch is carefully managed and maintained. The stable distro is very desirable for most production environment.
You may say most packages in 'stable' are too out-of-date, but it's really stable, thanks to the efforts of many maintainers.
I can say, the status of portage system is very near the sid distro of Debian. However, having unstable version deployed in production environment is very risky, especially on some servers involved expensive transactions where 10% boost in performance cannot cover the lost in single downtime.
Just my two cents.
I frequently visit China and I can say only point 2) and 7) still hold. The fact that the parent is being modded up reflecting the ignorance of the majority.
:)
I think if I had to judge US like parent did, I'll first list:
1) Stupidity and ignorance.
Yeah, I know that'd cause me some karma, but since karma system goes away I care less.
I dont' believe any sane people would mod it up. It's obviously a made-up story and trolling. The poster obviously hasn't been administering NT/W2K or *NIX. Clicking of menus and CLI is equally difficult if you don't know what you are doing.
Besides, I'm not sure if the price is outragous, it all depends on the problems. Supposed it is expensive, the tech man'd probably not expect another business and thus dig his own grave. Even Microsoft's support is not cheap. Check their support page. Local tech telephone support here charges US$179 per question, three question minimum.
"hello dude? I think I spot a of terrorist who is planning to dump extremely dangerous toxic matter which will destroy the civilization of Nevada as we know it. Can you come to do something about it? His name is Bus...."
yeah, I'm starting to submit stories from my ex-company's website. Wish me luck. :P
thank you for your support. I don't mind losing karma. I wish you like this girl. :)
Thank you for your support, and sorry for that brave comment cost your another karma point. :(
:)
I thought people would like this girl.
I met her personally and I can tell you she really has an angel face with devil body. I believe Microsoft picks her because of that. XD
:P
Too bad people don't like it, and the post is modded as troll. I forgot most modders don't take critism. I'd never compare them to cute girls anymore.
Hairy geeks, slimy geeks, overweighted geeks.... yes! That's exactly what we want to see! I'm sure nobody like those pictures taken at Microsoft's booth, they are very unprofessional.
:P
Oh wait...I think I like that.
It looks like a Pacman just died up-side-down.
May I consult an expert in KarmaQuest like you, how may I go beyond level 50? I'm stuck at it for year.....
You deserve to be mod up to max.
I've read a research paper on studying the brain activities when people are doing sports. It's shown that experts have much less brain activities than novices when doing the same sports, in its conclusion it said the brain has concentrated on coordinating the body than spending too much energy on thinking.
I'm sure that researcher should have read related research papers, but still chose to make a bogus conclusion to make ignite public attention. "Yes, that's it! My kids should play less video games!"
Jerk-ass.