the trial is the process by which they discover if the website 'dedicated to infringing activities' and not just the subject of whining or attack by commercial rivals.
Copyright doesn't allow you to do pretty much whatever you like. It allows you certain rights that others don't have, in relation to copying and publishing of the photo.
This rallying cry to governments who have something to fear and something to hide means that maybe now is the time for the freenet: http://freenetproject.org/whatis.html
I've never wanted to use it before (to donate some disk space) because I'm darn sure that it will have more hidden porn on it than politically suppressed information, but maybe, if obama's call to action is heeded, maybe I will have to establish a node or two.
err... that's what I do. When I'm ignored I organized and organize more. I run political campaigns and change the political landscape. I publish what is done and round-up support.
What you were speaking against was the second stage in all of that, but until it has had no response it's hard to organize the next stage.
November/December last year I ran (with a couple of others) a significant community campaign, published and delievred thousands of leaflets, organized petitions, and publiuc meetings with councillors, the council cheif and the MP.
But it's a waste to do all that if a simple email would have worked.
I understand what you are saying and this may often be true.
The issues available on 38 degrees are not those of 38 degrees but submitted the public, then selected by the public from those submissions to become promoted issues by 38 degrees.
So while what you say may generally be true, I think he chose the most transparent and democratic group to pick on; one that was formed as a consequence of a poorly consulting democracy and this is turning out to be unfortunate for the MP.
I can't relate the scenario you describe there with the facts as I understand them.
38 degrees does not have any kind of auto-repeat email facility that I know of.
38 degrees lets a voter compose a message and send it to the MP. The voter has to do it twice if they want to send two messages.
It sounds like you are describing some scene in which these 400 members selected some auto-spam option; in fact they just said that they wanted to be able to continue use the 38 degrees website to contact their MP.
If you (as the MP) routed the mails to the deleted folder you would have lost 400 voters. Maybe you don't care.
Would it make any difference if 38 degrees sent the message to the voter and then had them forward it to the MP? Or if 38 degrees faxed it? Or had the voter fax it? Or had the voter print it out and send it?
The MP is effectively arguing against people who need help or rely on researchers to analyse the effects of complex legislation in order to formulate an objection. I pay good money to The Open Rights Group and the Free Software Foundation (and the EFF still I think) to keep their eyes on legislators for me.
And I don't want to bring back the division of plebs and ruling classes.
So epic fails to the MP who would rather his voters languished in in-eloquence than organize themselves to present a coherent view that he must find bigger excuses to dismiss.
I get to see my local councillors dismiss requests because some other voters don't oppose the view. It gets harder when a coherent demand is made - but its the natural consequence.
Sure, but that's another way of saying that because you've never been ignored, you've never had to try anything else.
I've written to my labour MP when I lived in Leicestershire where he pretty much stated that he would delegate all his thinking and decision making to Tony Blair and that he would vote along party lines regardless.
How's that for being ignored? I'd have to join the labour party to affect party policy if I wanted my view to be represented by that MP.
I disagree - "simply filling out a form and spamming" is not simple, nor is it spamming any more than "simply writing a letter and spamming" is simple or spamming.
Looking at your argument, there is an arms race, and you have to ask why voters are having to do this to be noticed? Clue: look at the response by the MP now he is noticing them as a group that had to coordinate - yes, before he could ignore them singly, now he chooses to ignore them in bulk.
"Today. however, anyone can throw together a website with an email form that sends directly to a particular email address" sure, but it takes more effort than to go and buy a stamp, doesn't it.
And then you have to find voters who are bothered enough to use the said website.
If voters are using the site it's because it represents them better than the MP does.
This MP is trying to ignore voters who already have had to go to great lengths to be heard - double fail to the MP!
I'm a denier who believes in global warming and I'm GLAD. We can cope with warm. It's the coming cold period thats going to kill us all: (http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=3553)
OSM is accurate where I live because I plotted it: the roads, the parks, the car-parks, the pathways, school, etc; although another chap did most of my city.
I was waiting in the airport check-in queue with a group of friends at a UK airport.
One friend (from India) made the mistake of standing a little apart from us and was subject to stern questioning from one of the airport staff and close scrutiny of his (Indian) passport.
As this happened, we (his white friends) walked closer to him to see what was going on.
The airport staff saw us and then apologised (to us, I recall) saying: I didn't realise he was with you.
Later on in the same airport, one of the staff (of Indian origin) somehow got him through the security boarding checks with a lot less delay than we had!
With TeX it's too hard to worry about the layout, you just have to hope someone's written a style package for you. (And they usually have).
TeX has no fixed syntax, and so it's hard for other tools to parse, making it a write-only format for structured editors like lyx (which do their best to import it).
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the trial is the process by which they discover if the website 'dedicated to infringing activities' and not just the subject of whining or attack by commercial rivals.
Bah. it's just NNTP all over again
I have 2.2 on my ancient kaiser.
If moto think I'm going to buy one of their new devices with 1.6 or some dreary release and depend on their broken promises, they can think again.
I'm TRYING to buy a new Android phone but as things stand I'm better of with my recycled kaiser with hobbyist 2.2 (Thanks KK and DZO).
Like market stalls? Hot dog stalls?
Oh, so that's what it's name is called!
citadel at www.citadel.org is a full pop3/imap server with full-text indexing.
Thunderbird can use server-side searches to find messages, and I find that works pretty well.
except that it's going to make me not buy it for that reason along; smaller, cheaper, efficient means nothing unless it's still useful enough to buy
but an insider with an outside line can
I was merely saying that it wasn't copyright that allowed you to do whatever you are allowed to do.
Copyright doesn't allow you to do pretty much whatever you like. It allows you certain rights that others don't have, in relation to copying and publishing of the photo.
This rallying cry to governments who have something to fear and something to hide means that maybe now is the time for the freenet: http://freenetproject.org/whatis.html
I've never wanted to use it before (to donate some disk space) because I'm darn sure that it will have more hidden porn on it than politically suppressed information, but maybe, if obama's call to action is heeded, maybe I will have to establish a node or two.
err... that's what I do. When I'm ignored I organized and organize more. I run political campaigns and change the political landscape. I publish what is done and round-up support.
What you were speaking against was the second stage in all of that, but until it has had no response it's hard to organize the next stage.
November/December last year I ran (with a couple of others) a significant community campaign, published and delievred thousands of leaflets, organized petitions, and publiuc meetings with councillors, the council cheif and the MP.
But it's a waste to do all that if a simple email would have worked.
I understand what you are saying and this may often be true.
The issues available on 38 degrees are not those of 38 degrees but submitted the public, then selected by the public from those submissions to become promoted issues by 38 degrees.
So while what you say may generally be true, I think he chose the most transparent and democratic group to pick on; one that was formed as a consequence of a poorly consulting democracy and this is turning out to be unfortunate for the MP.
I can't relate the scenario you describe there with the facts as I understand them.
38 degrees does not have any kind of auto-repeat email facility that I know of.
38 degrees lets a voter compose a message and send it to the MP. The voter has to do it twice if they want to send two messages.
It sounds like you are describing some scene in which these 400 members selected some auto-spam option; in fact they just said that they wanted to be able to continue use the 38 degrees website to contact their MP.
If you (as the MP) routed the mails to the deleted folder you would have lost 400 voters. Maybe you don't care.
Would it make any difference if 38 degrees sent the message to the voter and then had them forward it to the MP? Or if 38 degrees faxed it? Or had the voter fax it? Or had the voter print it out and send it?
The MP is effectively arguing against people who need help or rely on researchers to analyse the effects of complex legislation in order to formulate an objection. I pay good money to The Open Rights Group and the Free Software Foundation (and the EFF still I think) to keep their eyes on legislators for me.
And I don't want to bring back the division of plebs and ruling classes.
So epic fails to the MP who would rather his voters languished in in-eloquence than organize themselves to present a coherent view that he must find bigger excuses to dismiss.
I get to see my local councillors dismiss requests because some other voters don't oppose the view. It gets harder when a coherent demand is made - but its the natural consequence.
Sure, but that's another way of saying that because you've never been ignored, you've never had to try anything else.
I've written to my labour MP when I lived in Leicestershire where he pretty much stated that he would delegate all his thinking and decision making to Tony Blair and that he would vote along party lines regardless.
How's that for being ignored? I'd have to join the labour party to affect party policy if I wanted my view to be represented by that MP.
Well said. And isn't the tory party also a pressure group? Aren't all political parties? Maybe he doesn't like the competition.
I disagree - "simply filling out a form and spamming" is not simple, nor is it spamming any more than "simply writing a letter and spamming" is simple or spamming.
Looking at your argument, there is an arms race, and you have to ask why voters are having to do this to be noticed? Clue: look at the response by the MP now he is noticing them as a group that had to coordinate - yes, before he could ignore them singly, now he chooses to ignore them in bulk.
"Today. however, anyone can throw together a website with an email form that sends directly to a particular email address"
sure, but it takes more effort than to go and buy a stamp, doesn't it.
And then you have to find voters who are bothered enough to use the said website.
If voters are using the site it's because it represents them better than the MP does.
This MP is trying to ignore voters who already have had to go to great lengths to be heard - double fail to the MP!
And tell 'em to stop closing down municipal networks which would compete with them
Says someone who apparently doesn't believe in the hot body radiation equations
Here's some basic homework for anti-deniers so that they understand what they are arguing against:
http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=3553
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zOXmJ4jd-8
(watch the very end about hot body radiation if nothing else)
I'm a denier who believes in global warming and I'm GLAD. We can cope with warm. It's the coming cold period thats going to kill us all: (http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=3553)
Sam
OSM is accurate where I live because I plotted it: the roads, the parks, the car-parks, the pathways, school, etc; although another chap did most of my city.
Sam
In this case it may be as a result of some peoples inability to handle general legitimate mistrust specific ways.
It doesn't bother me too much. As imperfections go it's not very bad.
I was waiting in the airport check-in queue with a group of friends at a UK airport.
One friend (from India) made the mistake of standing a little apart from us and was subject to stern questioning from one of the airport staff and close scrutiny of his (Indian) passport.
As this happened, we (his white friends) walked closer to him to see what was going on.
The airport staff saw us and then apologised (to us, I recall) saying: I didn't realise he was with you.
Later on in the same airport, one of the staff (of Indian origin) somehow got him through the security boarding checks with a lot less delay than we had!
So it all evened out in time.
With TeX it's too hard to worry about the layout, you just have to hope someone's written a style package for you. (And they usually have).
TeX has no fixed syntax, and so it's hard for other tools to parse, making it a write-only format for structured editors like lyx (which do their best to import it).