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Knuth Plans 'Earthshaking Announcement' Wednesday

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "Donald Knuth is planning to make an 'earthshaking announcement' on Wednesday, at TeX's 32nd Anniversary Celebration, on the final day of the TUG 2010 Conference. Unfortunately, nobody seems to know what it is. So far speculation ranges from proving P!=NP, to a new volume of The Art of Computer Programming, to his retirement. Maybe Duke Nukem Forever has been ported to MMIX?" Let the speculation begin.

701 comments

  1. Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who is Knuth?

    1. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Get out.

    2. Re:Who? by Snarf+You · · Score: 5, Funny

      You must be Knuth here.

    3. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Knuth said.

    4. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No, seriously - I've been working as a software engineer doing R&D work on complicated real time systems for years, and I'd never heard of his name, nor knew of his contribution (that he was responsible for said works) at all until now.

      Makes me wonder why anyone would assume everyone on ./ knows who he is, what he's done, or why we should care what he has to announce...

    5. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, seriously - I've been working as a software engineer (...)

      Ah, you are forgiven, then. You don't actually need to know anything about programming.

    6. Re:Who? by c0d3g33k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Makes me wonder why anyone would assume everyone on ./ knows who he is, what he's done, or why we should care what he has to announce...

      Seriously? To draw a comparison, it's like being a geneticist and not knowing who Gregor Mendel is. Or a physicist/mathematician and drawing a blank when Sir Isaac Newton's name comes up. You could be a philosopher who has never heard of Aristotle or Plato. Or a FLOSS developer who has never heard of Richard Stallman. A game developer who has never heard of John Carmack. I could go on, but I'm not sure I could find a good stopping point and I'm fighting the impulse to just be insulting. Your ignorance is appalling. Please just smash your computer with a sledgehammer and go for a long walk on a short pier.

    7. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been working as a software engineer doing R&D work on complicated real time systems for years, and I'd never heard of his name, nor knew of his contribution (that he was responsible for said works) at all until now.

      Sorry, but I have a hard time believing you're doing "R&D" on "complicated real time systems" without a thorough knowledge of algorithms -- and it's virtually impossible to seriously study algorithms and not know who Knuth is.

      On balance, I think you're full of shit.

    8. Re:Who? by spyder-implee · · Score: 1, Informative

      Long walk off a short pier.

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    9. Re:Who? by mzs · · Score: 1

      You're full of it! I work with pSOS and vxWorks realtime systems for my job. On the shelf in my office, the Knuth volumes. In uni, my papers were written in latex.

    10. Re:Who? by countertrolling · · Score: 0, Troll

      To draw a comparison, it's like being a geneticist and not knowing who Gregor Mendel is. Or a physicist/mathematician and drawing a blank when Sir Isaac Newton's name comes up. You could be a philosopher who has never heard of Aristotle or Plato. Or a FLOSS developer who has never heard of Richard Stallman. A game developer who has never heard of John Carmack.

      Who?

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    11. Re:Who? by guyminuslife · · Score: 1

      Even if you avoid tAoCP...I'll admit, I've only barely cracked the cover...every serious book on algorithms I've come across gives him several citations and at least a passing reference in the text or liner notes. Hell, my undergraduate discrete math book had a blurb in it where the author couldn't resist describing his attempt to collect $2.56 from Knuth.

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    12. Re:Who? by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      Long walk off a short pier.

      I don't know. If I had to do it, I'd take the tiniest steps just to make it last as long as possible :)

    13. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? To draw a comparison, it's like being a geneticist and not knowing who Gregor Mendel is. Or a physicist/mathematician and drawing a blank when Sir Isaac Newton's name comes up.

      Indeed, although I'd like to counter with the thought that the world is not worse off for not knowing who first discovered how to make fire or a wheel.

    14. Re:Who? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 5, Funny

      I talked to a guy in Saint Louis once who was a genetic engineer for Monsanto. He didn't believe in evolution.

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    15. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No seriously, get out. And to paraphrase Mr. Knuth "lots of people own my books, it's a shame more of you haven't actually read them"

    16. Re:Who? by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 2, Funny

      You know. The Feivel guy...

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    17. Re:Who? by ShakaUVM · · Score: 0

      >>Well, after doing a small survey in our office... only 3 of 20 software engineers had even heard of him, only one knew anything about him...

      Which of them went through real university program in software engineering?

      I find it implausible that anyone could spend four years studying algorithms (among other things) without hearing his name dropped at least once.

      Of course, given the quality of our education system, it's possible they heard the name and promptly forgot it. Whenever I guest lecture at the local community college (about once a semester) I find it fascinating all the things the students have never heard of.

    18. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? To draw a comparison, it's like being a geneticist and not knowing who Gregor Mendel is. Or a physicist/mathematician and drawing a blank when Sir Isaac Newton's name comes up. You could be a philosopher who has never heard of Aristotle or Plato. Or a FLOSS developer who has never heard of Richard Stallman. A game developer who has never heard of John Carmack. I could go on, but I'm not sure I could find a good stopping point and I'm fighting the impulse to just be insulting. Your ignorance is appalling. Please just smash your computer with a sledgehammer and go for a long walk on a short pier.

      really? i'm a delivery driver and i know who all the people listed in this post are. i don't think i've heard of donald knuth though.

    19. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the programmers here (myself included) have a B.Sc, most with honours.

      Most from Australian universities, maybe 4-5 from various parts of the world (Germany/UK/US).

    20. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL...
      And Mendel was a monk. Clearly it didn't stop him from speculating on evolution...

    21. Re:Who? by lgw · · Score: 4, Funny

      really? i'm a delivery driver and i know who all the people listed in this post are. i don't think i've heard of donald knuth though.

      He invented the "shift" key. You might want to look it up.

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    22. Re:Who? by turing_m · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I talked to a guy in Saint Louis once who was a genetic engineer for Monsanto. He didn't believe in evolution.

      Not that surprising. Being capable of sustaining epic levels of cognitive dissonance would be needed to be able to work for Monsanto and sleep at night.

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    23. Re:Who? by lgw · · Score: 1

      I find it hard to believe anyone would get a math/sci/eng degree and not use LaTeX, at least to see if they liked it.

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    24. Re:Who? by eht · · Score: 4, Informative

      Pope and the Catholic church has no problem with evolution

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution

    25. Re:Who? by vtcodger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ***No, seriously - I've been working as a software engineer doing R&D work on complicated real time systems for years, and I'd never heard of his name***

      Sigh -- Let me guess. You've never heard of Richard Hamming either? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hamming

      It has always seemed ironic to me that no one in the business seems to have actually read Numerical Methods for Scientists and Engineers and that The Art of Computer Programming is only half finished. It's no damn wonder that nothing related to software works quite right.

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    26. Re:Who? by muckracer · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Who is Knuth?

      Some polar bear in a german zoo. People already go crazy when he doesn't speak, so yeah...imagine the earth-shakiness when he finally does!

    27. Re:Who? by JustOK · · Score: 1

      just start by heading towards the land at the end of the pier.

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    28. Re:Who? by JustOK · · Score: 2, Funny

      he probably has pills to help with sleeping.

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    29. Re:Who? by the_womble · · Score: 1

      Does that tell us something about Monsanto?

    30. Re:Who? by Black+Gold+Alchemist · · Score: 1

      That's eKnuth.

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    31. Re:Who? by JustOK · · Score: 5, Funny

      u can't handle the Knuth.

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    32. Re:Who? by StuartHankins · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or, for an analogy that most Slashdotters will understand... It's like being in porn and not knowing who Ron Jeremy or Jenna Jameson is.

    33. Re:Who? by mzs · · Score: 1

      B.Sc and no latex? Sacrilege!

    34. Re:Who? by Aboroth · · Score: 1

      I'm in physics, not computer science or a related field, and I've heard of Knuth. But to be fair, the computer scientists I know don't give a crap about who did what, and care less about names than almost any other field I know of.

    35. Re:Who? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 5, Funny

      I talked to a guy in Saint Louis once who was a genetic engineer for Monsanto. He didn't believe in evolution.

      Well, duh. You ask a guy who does "intelligent design" for a living whether he believes in evolution. ~

    36. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Some people learned how to program outside of academia. I have heard of Knuth, but don't really know anything about him nor do I care to. It hasn't hindered my ability to write software one bit.

    37. Re:Who? by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

      A Knuther comment and I'm out of here.

    38. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's no damn wonder that nothing related to software works quite right.

      Have you actually tried to implement anything in TAoCP? A simple program to list all permutations of a sequence takes 15 pages of Tex'ified math equations before it finally peters out to a few lines of code that bear no relation to them. Granted, anyone who's ever written a non-trivial program should have his entire life works on their shelf, but it's not the desk reference everyone seems to be making it out to be.

    39. Re:Who? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      He who knuth not, and knuth not that he knuth not, is a fool; shun him.

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    40. Re:Who? by dna_(c)(tm)(r) · · Score: 1

      Not with biological evolution.

    41. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes it has, actually.

      You just aren't equipped to recognize that fact.

    42. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      It might also be a case of Microsoftism, the horrible decease which makes it impossible to having ever touched an Unix system. The symptoms include thinking in terms of Powerpoint slides, writing crude mathematical formulae, suffering from CLI night terrors and considering the web as something to get late into.

    43. Re:Who? by Toonol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I learned how to program outside of academia, and have read Knuth. Independent study should still involve some modicum of actual study.

    44. Re:Who? by terjeber · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You missed the car analogy. It'd be like a car enthusiast who's never heard of Ford. You always have to have a car analogy. It's the law!

    45. Re:Who? by kenshin33 · · Score: 1, Redundant

      ever heard of TeX? or the Art of computer Programing?

    46. Re:Who? by glwtta · · Score: 1

      Most of the guys you listed usually get the label of "father of" for their respective fields; and most are very well known to the general public, as well. I think a more apt comparison would be:

      Genetics: Sanger
      Physics: Friedman
      Mathematics: Erdos
      Philosophy: Derrida
      FLOSS: Cox
      Games: Williams (either one)

      It would still be pretty shocking to find someone in one of those fields who has never heard the name.

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    47. Re:Who? by kenshin33 · · Score: 1

      to be truthfull The art of computer programing looks more like a math book that anything else ;)

    48. Re:Who? by bronney · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd finish half the distance of the previous step with each new step to avoid the end.

    49. Re:Who? by bronney · · Score: 1

      *reaches for my cowbell*

    50. Re:Who? by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Knuth doesn't stand out amongst his peers in his field as much as those examples you've mentioned. Peers such as Siffredi, North, Holmes (etc) are all more important.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornographic_actor

      (Disclaimer: I know who Knuth is but I'm just not bothered by those that don't when there's so much porn to watch.)

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    51. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, for an analogy that most Slashdotters will understand... It's like being in porn and not knowing who Ron Jeremy or Jenna Jameson is.

      Who is Jenna Jameson?

    52. Re:Who? by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pope and the Catholic church has no problem with evolution

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution

      Well they do call him the primate.

    53. Re:Who? by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      You missed the car analogy. It'd be like a car enthusiast who's never heard of Ford. You always have to have a car analogy. It's the law!

      What, you man "Ford" was a person?

    54. Re:Who? by squizzar · · Score: 1

      I'm amazed that anyone doesn't use it. I tried to use it at work for stuff (recreated the general look of our documentation etc.) and was happy. Unfortunately the company decided to standardize our documentation layout (which is a good idea) and chose Word as the means to do so.

      What I don't get is that nearly everything produced these days follows the LaTeX mentality of separating content from presentation - look at CSS, and every CMS out there. Authors don't write books in little paperback sized pages. I'd bet journalists don't write in little columns. Everyone gets the content sorted out and then someone (and often someone who knows about layout) actually places the text on the page. Using Word seems completely backward and out of touch, it's the FrontPage of word processing. How many serious websites get designed using that?

      Perhaps if the open document standards actually really get going I will be able to write directly into them and not have to battle Word.

    55. Re:Who? by ldobehardcore · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seconded. Computer programming is math. Logic is built on the principles of mathematics, (inferring laws from properties and vice-versa, proving what we know, and describing the universe in absolute terms.) and all programs are themselves built on top of logic.

      My personal belief is that of many physicists, the entirety of the universe can be reduced to mathematical representation, and we might as well try doing it, if not to further our own understanding, then to at least have some fun along the way.

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    56. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is Knuth?

      You don't even get to collect your hat on the way out.

    57. Re:Who? by eclectro · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your ignorance is appalling. Please just smash your computer with a sledgehammer and go for a long walk on a short pier.

      On slashdot the standard procedure is to have them turn in their nerd card first. Then we smash their computer for them and tell them to buy an apple. In the end, it's better for everyone that way.

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    58. Re:Who? by imakemusic · · Score: 1

      Get thee to an internet!

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    59. Re:Who? by obarthelemy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't tell anyone, but I'm a SALES REP for a consultancy that does mainly web dev, and even I know his name... You should be ashamed of yourself.. Leave your geek card at the door on your way out...

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    60. Re:Who? by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      It's times like these I wish there was a site, in the style of "let me google that for you", except with image search, without safesearch on.

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    61. Re:Who? by somersault · · Score: 1

      Often when I get involved in anything I'm not the sort to go researching everything and idolising all the famous people involved with that thing. I enjoy playing drums but I hardly know any famous drummers. I'd been playing guitar for 9 years before I bought any Jimi Hendrix music. I like driving and racing games but I don't care about F1 drivers and what the current tournament standings are, nor do I care who designed the engine in my car.

      I have been programming since I was 11, and while I've heard the name Knuth I don't really know much about him beyond what I just read on Wikipedia (though I think I may leafed through one of his books as a teenager looking through my dad's textbook library now that I think about it). I haven't seriously read any programming books beyond one on BASIC when I was ~12, then when I was ~16 I read half a "teach yourself C" book and maybe 3/4 of the OpenGL Red Book - I picked up everything else since then mostly by using online tutorials or Googling for stuff when I needed a language reference. I know I can code in any language I want if I have a reference - maybe the result won't be as efficient as it could be, but it will work.

      Maybe the name Knuth was mentioned while I was at Uni, I can't remember. We were definitely taught principals for designing efficient algorithms and performance tuning though.

      I know I'm not a super1337 hax0r or expert in any single area, but my level of programming ability is fine for the web apps and small Windows apps I maintain day to day, and I have no aspirations to be a programming superstar. I don't even code in my spare time as I used to when I was a kid - I have too much other stuff I've become interested in to spend all my time hunched over a computer.

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    62. Re:Who? by digitig · · Score: 1

      What I don't get is that nearly everything produced these days follows the LaTeX mentality of separating content from presentation

      LaTeX wasn't Knuth, though. It was built on top of TeX, which was Knuth's, but TeX didn't separate content from presentation.

      Everyone gets the content sorted out and then someone (and often someone who knows about layout) actually places the text on the page. Using Word seems completely backward and out of touch, it's the FrontPage of word processing. How many serious websites get designed using that?

      Word separates content from presentation just as well as LaTeX does. Pretty much every modern word processor does. It's not using Word (or OO.o Writer, or any other word processor) that's backward and out of touch, it's you who doesn't realise how much word processors have changed since the 1980s.

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    63. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't know Knuth as a programmer, that is a bit odd, but not a good reason to be appalled by someones ignorance. You don't need to read Knuth to be able to write good code. In fact, I think there are easier ways to learn. Save your energy when reviewing code instead of taking history exams.

    64. Re:Who? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      It's one thing to say that you must have low self esteem and no self confidence to say that you can't come up with ideas for yourself.

      It's another thing entirely to believe that you can come up with ideas on the level of Knuth without at least having read some of the literature in the subject.

      If you want to be great, you should at least stand on the shoulders of giants. Not step on their toes.

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    65. Re:Who? by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      It's like being in porn and not knowing who Ron Jeremy or Jenna Jameson is.

      No names please.

    66. Re:Who? by dintech · · Score: 1

      That's Knuth to me...

    67. Re:Who? by Bromskloss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I talked to a guy in Saint Louis once who was a genetic engineer for Monsanto. He didn't believe in evolution.

      I don't think it's obvious that he would. I'm sure he believes that traits can be inherited and that by selecting who gets to reproduce, you can steer the new generations into having certain qualities, like breeding dogs to have long ears or whatever you fancy. Believing in evolution, on the other hand, would be to hold the position that the current plants and animals are the result of such a process, where the selection has been carried out by naturally occurring circumstances. Embracing evolution implies embracing genetics, but not the other way around.

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    68. Re:Who? by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      You always have to have a car analogy. It's the law!

      The Law? You mean, like being legally obliged to bum a lift to the mall and syphon a cocky teenager's gas when you run out?

    69. Re:Who? by tehcyder · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's more like being in Jenna Jameson and not knowing what porn is.

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    70. Re:Who? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Logic is built on the principles of mathematics

      Which came first, the logic or the maths?

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    71. Re:Who? by jolyonr · · Score: 1, Insightful

      He's the guy who created 'Dragon's Lair', you idiot!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon's_Lair

      Oh.... wait....

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    72. Re:Who? by necro81 · · Score: 1

      Well, having achieved a God-like power (and I don't mean the ability to manipulate genes to create crops that are "ready" to be doused with herbicides - that's bupkis compared to the power Monsanto has over every farmer on the planet), it seems natural that this Monsanto engineer would ascribe the whole of creation to the same.

    73. Re:Who? by mcvos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's pathetic that you think nobody else can think for themselves or come up with their own ideas and breakthroughs.

      Do you honestly think that you can come up with the kind of breakthroughs that have been done in CS over the past 60 years without reading some of the literature?

      Sure, if you write some simple scripts or basic applications, you don't need to know much about algorithms, but once you start messing about with algorithms and datastructures, it pays to at least have heard of Knuth.

    74. Re:Who? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      I was going to make some comment on Mansanto as well... but I thought the whole thing spoke for itself.

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    75. Re:Who? by mrogers · · Score: 1

      So true. A Slashdot post without a car analogy is like a car without that little light that comes on when you open the door with the engine running.

    76. Re:Who? by KovaaK · · Score: 4, Funny

      As long as your initial step takes over half the distance of the pier, we have a deal.

    77. Re:Who? by JambisJubilee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, what a troll. I guess you're the kind of guy who just "comes up" with 60+ years of rigorous research in computer science. The grandparent is an idiot because of this statement:

      I have heard of Knuth, but don't really know anything about him nor do I care to.

      You must be the most pretentious asshole programmer in the world. Not only do you think the greatest minds in your discipline have nothing to teach you, but you are actively engaged in trying NOT to learn new things.

      Great life you have ahead of you...

    78. Re:Who? by trashbird1240 · · Score: 1

      The contributor didn't assume everyone on Slashdot knows his name, just that some of us would. It's safe to assume that those who have heard of him know what he has done in his career, and fully comprehend his awesomeness.

    79. Re:Who? by VincenzoRomano · · Score: 1

      ./ != /. Maybe you are just reading the wrong website ...

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    80. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      \section{You are a lying sack of shit.}
      \begin{itemize}
      \item The only thing he really invented was a set of typefaces\ldots basically just some \textrm{\textit{fonts}}.
      \item Anything else that he did was \tiny{insignificant}.
      \item Just an old windbag who gets mentioned in schoolyard settings as an appeal to authority by the even more insignificant ``teachers'' working in them.
      \end{itemize}

      There. Fixed it for you.

      Sincerely,

      D. Knuth

    81. Re:Who? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Great life you have ahead of you...

      He probably does, if ignorance truly is bliss.

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    82. Re:Who? by glhturbo · · Score: 1

      The Knuth shall set you free...

    83. Re:Who? by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Some priests went primative, but the Primate was not primitive.

    84. Re:Who? by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      Monsanto are paying him six figures a year to keep saying that. There is no evolution, only Zuu^H^H^H Monsanto!

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    85. Re:Who? by prgammans · · Score: 1

      Please stop, this thread is just getting long in the Knuth.

    86. Re:Who? by daveime · · Score: 1

      Assuming that your first step wasn't already longer than the length of the pier, and in the context of "taking a long walk" meaning you take really, really slow step(s).

    87. Re:Who? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      This is like saying you're a physicist who has never heard of Einstein, or a biologist who never heard of James D. Watson.

    88. Re:Who? by laejoh · · Score: 1

      Hey, I've never heard of Ford because the name is only pronounceable in an obscure dialect that almost got wiped out during the "Great Collapsing Hrung Disaster of Gal./Sid./Year 03758", you insensitive claude!

    89. Re:Who? by j.a.mcguire · · Score: 1

      Is knowing the who's who of programming essential to programming itself? Didn't think so.

    90. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, what a troll. I guess you're the kind of guy who just "comes up" with 60+ years of rigorous research in computer science. The grandparent is an idiot because of this statement:

      Yeah fuck it. Knuth is the pinnacle of software development knowledge so there is no point for anyone to try to discover or create anything on their own because "Knuth's got it all covered, baby!" Let's just give up independent research and discovery altogether because it will never ever produce anything.

      60+ years of rigorous research in computer technology is amazing, especially because of the extremely slow rate of progress and change that is made in this field. Why it's almost completely static! Yep, computers now are almost exactly like computers were 60 years ago.

      Oh, and all those CEOs not running their tech companies like Bill Gates ran Microsoft? Idiots.

      You must be the most pretentious asshole programmer in the world. Not only do you think the greatest minds in your discipline have nothing to teach you, but you are actively engaged in trying NOT to learn new things.

      Now, now. Don't mistake confidence for arrogance. I can see how it's easy for one lacking ambition, such as yourself, to get those mixed up but you really ought to be more careful. It'll save you from embarrassing yourself in the future.

      In all seriousness, who are you to say that someone else cannot discover and learn new things like your man-idol? Knuth is a human being, just like all of us. He doesn't have magic powers or any supernatural ability to place him above everyone else. He is no more or less capable than any other dedicated person.

      Great life you have ahead of you...

      I've done quite well for myself so far and that doesn't look like it's going to change any time soon, thanks.

      People can be split into two groups, leaders and followers. You're obviously a follower, not to mention a shill and a perfect example of someone who lives utterly inside the box. It's your choice if you want live your life appealing to authority and living submissively in another man's shadow, just don't try to get in the way of the people who have their own ideas and goals.

    91. Re:Who? by sribe · · Score: 1

      Is knowing the who's who of programming essential to programming itself? Didn't think so.

      Well of course not. But not knowing them is a clear indicator of not having done any serious study into the foundations of the field, which is a clear indicator of only having learned in a very shallow way. Believe me, I'm not just guessing; I've got 20+ years of experience dealing with "developers" like you.

    92. Re:Who? by Jessta · · Score: 1

      ...then it wouldn't be a long walk.
      unless the reference to 'long' is a reference to the time taken for the walk.

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    93. Re:Who? by Architect_sasyr · · Score: 1

      Probably not but everyone would be up in arms if I didn't know who founded the Linux kernel and I would be required to turn in my geek credentials. Which is much the same thing for us algorithm monkeys when somebody claims to be a programmer and doesn't know (or care) who Knuth is. It's about respect for your field, and credit to the people who came up with the major advances.

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    94. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually since we are talking back in the 70's, try Kay Parker, Seka...
      80's... Ginger Lynn, Traci Lords.

      Hmm.. Now maybe the ultimate is John Holmes.

      Man.. I have to anonymous myself or my wife will know what I do at night when she is asleep.

    95. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you are an asshole.

      I've done quite well for myself so far and that doesn't look like it's going to change any time soon, thanks.

      Really? Care to share what you've given to humanity? Have you discovered/proved any theorems or algorithms? Have you written volumes to share your knowledge with others? Or maybe you've used your great confidence to create high quality software (like TeX) that everyone can benefit from?

      But you haven't done any of these. You're just a grump whose only accomplishment in life is to make a little money at a mediocre job

    96. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must really like reinventing the wheel then.

    97. Re:Who? by adonoman · · Score: 1

      Or each successive step takes half the time as well as half the distance of the previous step.

    98. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it hasn't. He knows nothing of writing five times as much code for unit tests as he does actual coding. He also knows nothing of groups who claim to do code reviews when in fact they just ship it whenever it compiles and fake the paperwork later. He knows nothing of design by committee, which results of the same buggy crap being sold over and over again.

    99. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, calm down. Honestly, some of us come here for the games, the science, or the social rights issues.

    100. Re:Who? by iknowcss · · Score: 1

      Wow. I've just realized that I've been pronouncing his name wrong my whole life. I said it "Knuth" like "rough". To think it took two smart-asses on Slashdot for me to finally get it right. Here is a perfect example of why funny mods should incrase karma.

      I keed, I keed.

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    101. Re:Who? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      That's probably why he worked for Monsanto and not in academia.

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    102. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He probably does, if ignorance truly is bliss.

      He's probably signing all of our paychecks.

    103. Re:Who? by WNight · · Score: 1

      Yep, computers now are almost exactly like computers were 60 years ago.

      No Sparky, but information is. We haven't added any new bits since '1' back in the 40s, just after the war.

      Knuth's books are closer to textbooks on discrete math than "how to use a computer". He doesn't waste any time on the trivial or the proprietary.

      It's your choice if you want live your life appealing to authority and living submissively in another man's shadow, just don't try to get in the way of the people who have their own ideas and goals.

      Promise me something. Not everyone is as ... whatever you are ... as you. Promise me you won't change. Never read a book. Don't let the man bring you down.

    104. Re:Who? by WNight · · Score: 1

      For not knowing the names? Sure. We don't even need Knuth's except that we wouldn't know to be excited he was releasing something new.

      But the discussion is about someone who doesn't care about fire because some old dude invented it. That's funny.

    105. Re:Who? by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I can't find the original post that you're quoting, but the selected text seems to imply anyone on slashdot must by definition have a career that is owed directly to Knuth, and I don't think that's true. I've got a physics degree, got into HTML and built web sites for a while, and then transitioned to tech support and server stuff. I taught myself enough PHP to do some more advanced online coding, but I'm not trained as a programmer. All of those are reasons I'm on /., none of them give me a need to know who Knuth is. I've used LaTex (once), and while that experience was pretty bad, it wasn't (quite) painful enough for me to look up the man who'd invented it so I could get revenge.

    106. Re:Who? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      The point is, you can note learn and reed anything about advanced software engineering with out reading his name.

      It's like taking advanced college physics and never hearing of Feynman.

      And if you are doing advanced software engineering and don't rad the literature, then you are going to be doomed to rediscovering old ways instead of learning them and then using that to advance knowledge.

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    107. Re:Who? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Won't work.
      There is a minimum distance anything must move. It's a very, very tiny distance, but it's there.Also, you get to it in fewer steps then you might think.

      Another example of how philosophy as it's own study has been brutally, and gleefully, murdered by science.

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    108. Re:Who? by squallbsr · · Score: 1

      He's the guy that told Steve Jobs "You're full of shit". http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Close_Encounters_of_the_Steve_Kind.txt

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    109. Re:Who? by Amouth · · Score: 1

      hum the time wouldn't matter - as long as your doing 1/2 you will never make it to the end - doesn't matter how fast or slow you are doing it

      1->.5->.25->.125->.0625->.03125->..... will never make it to 0.

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    110. Re:Who? by Hooya · · Score: 1

      I, too, have been playing guitar for longer than 20 years now (not that I can play anything worth a damn - but that doesn't stop me from enjoying it). For the longest time, I really didn't care for Jimi Hendrix music. I liked EVH slightly better and Satriani and Vai much better. Then, one day, it suddenly hit me - had Jimi Hendrix not played the way he did EVH wouldn't have happened. I don't much like 'Eruptions' (people these days can play far more intricate things) but without it 'shredding' wouldn't have happened.

      Well, it probably would have happened eventually.. but the genius of Jimi Hendrix and EVH are that they did something that hadn't been though of before.

      Before the day I got it I felt that newer guitar players didn't quite get the recognition they deserved since they played much "better" than Jimi Hendrix or EVH. (listen to Vito Bratta sometime for what EVH evolved can sound like). But since that day I realized that the reason people revere Jimi Hendrix and EVH is that they opened eyes/minds to what other things the guitar could do - apart from just being a rhythm/strummed instrument. Sure the world has embraced those styles and evolved it/improved it since their days but without them we might not even have thought to see the guitar as a shredding instrument.

      I still don't like Jimi Hendrix music much. But I sure as hell can see his importance.

    111. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are naming a bunch of founders of fields.

      Knuth has founded nothing. If you want founders of CS you gotta talk Panini, Boole, and Shannon.

      Knuth is a famous teacher at an expensive football school. Not at all on par with Newton or Mendel. Knuth's most famous for a computer typesetting system which was obsoleted two decades ago.

      It only shows the amazing ignorance of today's computer "scientists" that an unoriginal ninny like Knuth could be compared to Newton.

      In short, Knuth is a has-been of a never-been.

    112. Re:Who? by Hooya · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, what I really meant to finish with was that...

      So, if I never paid any attention to Jimi Hendrix or EVH, but I tried to learn all the techniques from more recent guitarists what I would be doing is essentially learning Jimi Hendrix or EVH through a more recent guitarist - with his twist on the original. Nothing wrong with that. And you can do fine without knowing the origins. But sooner or later, you are bound to discover the origins.

      People that know about Knuth simply know of the origins of the programming 'techniques' (algorithms, really) that are used everywhere.

      P.S. yeah, Knuth is the Hendrix and EVH of programming.

    113. Re:Who? by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      Must anyone who works with life have heard of read LaPlace, Darwin, Watson and Crick, and Latour?

      Must anyone who works with computers have heard of read the thousands of scripts of ancient and modern natural and religious philosophers setting out the foundations for logic?

      How many engineers have read Newton or Schumpeter or would even be able to read their works?

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    114. Re:Who? by mcvos · · Score: 2

      We're talking breakthrough here. You're not going to make a breakthrough in physics if you've never heard of Newton or Einstein. I doubt you can make any meaningful breakthrough in biology if you've never heard of Darwin.

      If you've never heard of the giants on whose shoulders you could stand, the very best you can hope for is to duplicate their work, and it'd be pretty arrogant to assume you can do even that.

    115. Re:Who? by Whip · · Score: 1

      Hey AC, can I get your name and email address? I'd like to make certain that I never accidentally hire you. Thanks!

    116. Re:Who? by adonoman · · Score: 1

      But if he moves the first 1m in 1s, the next 1/2m in 1/2s, .25m in .25s, he's moving at a constant speed of 1m/s, so he'll reach the end of the bridge just fine.

    117. Re:Who? by Garridan · · Score: 1

      lolwut? I sat down and implemented the plain change algorithm in a high level language in the course of about 20 minutes. The only difficulty was changing goto statements into proper looping structure (not that I personally have a problem with gotos, but the language doesn't support them). Also, that algorithm is on page 4 of fascicle 2b... your claim of "15 pages of Tex'ified math equations" is bullshit.

    118. Re:Who? by rthille · · Score: 1

      Genetics aren't required for evolution. They (Darwin & contemporaries) didn't know anything about genetics at the time the theory was developed. "Decent with modification" is the key phrase you're looking for. Genetics is one way of accomplishing that, but not necessarily the only way. Think about genetic algorithms.

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    119. Re:Who? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      I had not heard of him until CS grad school for an MS. Prof heaved a book at me when researching speed optimizations for my stuff for rand() and various sorting methods. IRRC, vol. 2 of Knuth.

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    120. Re:Who? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      > It's like taking advanced college physics and never hearing of Feynman.

      I don't know. Many posts around here show he's more important as an aggregator of algorithms rather than a producer of new stuff. He's more Carl Sagan than Einstein or Newton. This is an important position, don't get me wrong. But there was a big row on admitting Carl Sagan to the American Academy of Scientists, which was for the Einstein type of scientist. (I think he did get a more honorary award for popularizing science...)

      Now, I assume if he's announcing something, then it's because he did it and not someone else (e.g. P ?= NP) And if it's something like that, then we're all wrong that he's just a catalogger.

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    121. Re:Who? by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      Surprise 1: Not every programmer makes breakthroughs, nor are they supposed to.

      Surprise 2: It's not only possible, but routine to use, rediscover and surpass the work of previous scientists without knowing their individual names. AI and economics have and continue to both built glorious structures on top of the work of dozens of nameless enlightenment-era and ancient human naturalists. Almost every network administrator has used or built on the work of Dave Farber without knowing of his existence.

      Hearing of Darwin and reading Darwin are almost completely independent events. For example, a basic reading of Darwin would assert that inheritance is exclusively unidirectional from parent to offspring within a line of descent within one species. Darwin's basic theory that beneficial mutations accrue based on environment precludes the discovery of plasmids and non-genetic inheritance in plants.

      I note also that your argument claims to pertain to persons responsible for breakthroughs in biology, and yet you didn't object to the absence of Lovelace in my list.

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    122. Re:Who? by Amouth · · Score: 1

      He will Tavel 1m/s as he approches 0 but he will never arive at 0, so no he will not reach the end of the bridge

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    123. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only recently heard about Knuth after having spent 10 years as a software engineer. Heard/learned about him as a person. I discovered that I'd studied much of his material, just didn't know who it was attributed to, so I was familiar with his work. The same can be said for physicists who don't know Newton, etc. Sometimes we just focus on the math (so to speak) and don't much care about the history (who discovered it, developed it, etc.). I might very well have encountered the name in undergrad, but tuned it out, as it wasn't useful information for addressing the software before me.

      As I'm getting older, those gaps fill in. But that's just through constant repeat exposure by being in the field, not because it is inherently useful information for solving whatever problem I have before me. I do like knowing these things, though.

    124. Re:Who? by infinitelink · · Score: 1

      Did you just seriously say that? So someone who rigorously learns the subject matter hasn't done any "serious" study because they don't give a hoot about the who's whoe's names? Do "the foundations of the field" consist of that subject matter or the names? Come on.

      Hell, the philosophies that undergird much of that field are in large part falsely attributed to this or that person who is still known, whose works largely compile that of predecessors; in logic, Plato of Socrates; Xenophon of Socrates; both of various authors and contributors to mathematical philosophy including but definitely not limited to Pythatgoras: most of the actual foundERS of the mathetmatical foundations are actually NOT KNOWN, but does that mean we diss modern mathematicians? No.

      Seriously, get over it. And fallacies 101, appeal to personal experience or to authority, "Believe me, I'm not just guessing; I've got 20+ years of experience [bla bla bla]" is so hoi polloi. How wonderful that you combined two rhetorical trickeries into one statement! I'm keeping that one as a demonstration. Deal with what the guy actually said, what are the actual consequences of the statement as well as what are not.

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    125. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, my brain hurts a lot now.

    126. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you honestly think that you can come up with the kind of breakthroughs that have been done in Humanity over the past 6000 years without reading some of the literature?

      Sure, if you write some simple scripts or basic applications, you don't need to know much about algorithms, but once you start messing about with algorithms and datastructures, it pays to at least have heard of God.

      ^^^

      Do you realize how silly that sounds as an argument?

      "Messing about" and research may overlap, but frequently do not. Knuth may or may not provide insights about transcomputing or non von Neumann architectures.

      I've "heard of" Freud and Marx, but not read them. Now, how does hearing of Freud or Marx help me to convince you that "some of the literature" can validly define a great many sets that do not contain anything by Knuth?

    127. Re:Who? by ADRA · · Score: 1

      Not to bash the guy, but wasn't most of his work done in aggregating the content discovered by others in a useful and accessible way? How much of Art did he personally 'discover'? I can't really answer that, but I have no doubt he didn't 'invent' most of the ideas found in his books. Its kind of like Constantine. He didn't invent Christianity, but he brought Christianity to Europe in a way few others could.

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    128. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be one of those COBOL programmers who still thinks he's relevant.

    129. Re:Who? by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      You must be the most pretentious asshole programmer in the world. Not only do you think the greatest minds in your discipline have nothing to teach you, but you are actively engaged in trying NOT to learn new things.

      Great life you have ahead of you...

      In my experience, he actually may. He'll bop from well-paying contract to well-paying contract, consequence-free, producing crap that other folks will end up having to clean up.

    130. Re:Who? by sribe · · Score: 1

      So someone who rigorously learns the subject matter hasn't done any "serious" study because they don't give a hoot about the who's whoe's names?

      Not caring and not knowing are 2 different things. Someone who has rigorously learned the subject matter would most certainly recognize the name Knuth. Someone who does not recognize the name Knuth has not studied the subject matter in any depth, probably not at all.

      Hell, the philosophies that undergird much of that field are in large part falsely attributed to this or that person who is still known, whose works largely compile that of predecessors...

      However, this is really not the case at all with theory of computation & discrete math. Those branches arose in the 20th century; who figured out what and when is well known.

      And fallacies 101, appeal to personal experience or to authority...

      So, personal experience is automatically fallacious? The fact that I've come to think that I know well what it means when someone "disses" education in the field is rhetorical trickery? What the guy said quite clearly exposed his attitude and a certain aspect of his background.

    131. Re:Who? by Draek · · Score: 1

      No, it isn't, but Knuth is to CS what Newton is to Physics and Gauss is to Mathematics: there is no field of study where you wouldn't come across his name at one point or another. He's not like, I don't know, Emmanuel Kant where if you don't specialize in Ethics there's a reasonable chance you could become a knowledgeable Philosopher and never heard of it, Knuth is nicknamed the "God" of computing for a reason.

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    132. Re:Who? by infinitelink · · Score: 1

      Let's charitably assume (that which the guy did not imply) that he's a genius, just for a moment's consideration. Let's say he's such a genius, in fact, that he's miles ahead and much more advanced in considering various things that the rest of us consider impressive. Now let's consider that what is under consideration is just logical matter that can be derived from first principles anyways, despite that it may be considered impressive, come as "advances in the field", etc. etc.. Should he be uppity or necessarily observant with the same "awe" ("respect"--you must have mean "regard" and that in reference to pesons) as you? Should aliens from off-world who came-up with the same things you did come to bring the same "respect" to your institution Let's charitably assume (that which the guy did not imply) that he's a genius, just for a moment's consideration. Let's say he's such a genius, in fact, that he's miles ahead and much more advanced in considering various things that the rest of us consider impressive. Now let's consider that what is under consideration is just logical matter that can be derived from first principles anyways, despite that it may be considered impressive, come as "advances in the field", etc. etc.. Should he be uppity or necessarily observant with the same "awe" ("respect"--you must have mean "regard" and that in reference to persons) as you? Should aliens from off-world who came-up with the same things you did come to bring the same "respect" to your institution once they arrive here? Probably not.

      Similarly, someone "alien" to the same academic circles or schools may not be similarly impressed as are you with certain persons, or care about how significant the "advances" are: this disaffection is, in fact, the reason that patents upon processes and logical matter that is deduced and scientific is not legitimately patentable (despite that, as so many here know, the USPTO keeps granting them); it is the reason that algorithms, which are mathematical and may be produced independently yet be found the same across entire continents, cultures, and ages, are not supposed to be patentable. Note I'm playing devil's advocate here; typically I wish to ensure that credit, insofar is reasonable (if we always granted credit for every idea and concept at all times we'd have pages and pages filled with nothing but names and dates rather than actual matter), is granted, that we remember the circumstance (context, opposing schools, history, method of development, names and their backgrounds and the thoughts that inspired them or directed them, etc. etc.) of the knowledge that's out there, but it doesn't mean that it's necessarily the most important of things.

      As to "the major advances", when a field is a progression of reason, there is hardly anything that can correctly be called "major": what criteria do you use to judge "major"? Seriously: the lauding of others, the excitement of the community, the most practically applicable? So much in our day is "major", so many are "renowned/celebrated professors/scientists/authors" etc. etc. (as has been the case through history) that what is truly "major" is often not unimpeachably judged so until the insobriety and politicking died in the receding of history. Also, what is often called "major" is some solution that to others was difficult, but to some other or others was not: a lot of things just depend on background, perspective, and so on, hence the great potential in inter-disciplinary and more-open approaches. I knew an Arab guy who had better algorithms than our University's mathematics department and problems which they though hard were a cinch to him because of his differing background: they consistently failed him for "not doing it the proscribed/approved way" despite that he could mathematically prove and demonstrate the solutions and processs. These weren't hick practitioners of mathematics, either, but well respected academics. So take a step back and ask "why" is such and such "major", or why is a solution "celebrated", or why is such and such p

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    133. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too true, what do these ivory tower guys know about actual coding? He probably has never had to touch a line of assembly code!
      Let's see him write some real software for people to use and see how his fancy data structures fare when they have to interface with other people's code! Why, I bet if I had gotten, say, $2.56 for every bug I could find in that guy's code, I'd be a millionaire.

    134. Re:Who? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      The equations are there to explain why the few lines of code in the end are necessary and sufficient.

    135. Re:Who? by infinitelink · · Score: 1

      Makes me wonder why anyone would assume everyone on ./ knows who he is, what he's done, or why we should care what he has to announce...

      Seriously? To draw a comparison, it's like being a geneticist and not knowing who Gregor Mendel is.

      Seriously? Talk about no "respect for [a] field" (http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1702818&cid=32744060): THE MODERN NOTION OF THE GENE DID NOT COME FROM MENDEL, BUT WAS RE-DISCOVERED, ONLY AFTER WHICH DID THE RESEARCHERS WHO DID THIS SEARCH THE LITERATURE AND FIND THAT SOMEONE ELSE (who had been totally ignored because of Darwin, Darwinism, and unlike either the founder or his school had actually determiend a scientific mechanism rather than engage in a speculative philosophy) HAD ONCE BEFORE DEMONSTRATED A GENE THEORY THAT HAD A MATHEMATICAL, EVIDENTIAL, AND SCIENTIFIC BASIS.

      I gave a little rant questioning how, exactly, should we appraise that which is logically deducibile and reproducible here, http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1702818&cid=32747442

      So technically speaking the guy who "came up with [a] major advance[]" (http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1702818&cid=32744060) is actually quite unimportant and insignificant, as are we all and all our labors when we get right down to it, that is, someone else can and probably will produce it to. If they'd never uncovered that someone else figured-out gene theory before them it still wouldn't matter to us today; that they did and that Mendel, a meticulous methodist's methodist (I'm not talking the religion), monk (how's that for perspective: a guy who did what he did because of the opportunity and interest his position as a monk, (and the duties it required), afforded him), and empiricist, was finally credited is, however, something that makes my heart glad.

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    136. Re:Who? by WNight · · Score: 1

      COBOL programmers earn a lot these days. Society thinks they're more relevant than you are.

      But even they would be expected to know the state of the art before you'd pay them to write something. Otherwise they'd spend forever reinventing something and still screw it up.

    137. Re:Who? by lgw · · Score: 1

      You can seperate content from presentation perfectly well in Word, it's just that you're not forced to. If you're stuck using Word and want to become sophisticated in it's workings, use Draft view, and change 1 setting: change the style area width to something other than 0. (In the horrible ribbon menus it's in Word Options, Advanced, Display.)

      Word styles aren't great, but they let you do what you want to do in terms of separating style from presentation, and it will all be preserved in RTF. This has preserved my sanity for many years.

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    138. Re:Who? by rpresser · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wrong.

      Yes, there's a lot of giant shoulders he stood on. But he gathered plenty of pebbles on his own -- boulders, in fact. Wrote lots of papers. Invented TeX, Metafont, literate programming, perfect shuffles. Dozens if not hundreds of original papers outside of his books.

      Do one thing for me. Spend five minutes researching before posting. Or even just one minute THINKING about what an idiot you might appear if your post is wrong.

    139. Re:Who? by sarkeizen · · Score: 1

      Yeah, a lot of us did...then some of us realized that there's more to it than IF...THEN and we went to university and learned what that was.

    140. Re:Who? by Gnavpot · · Score: 1

      He will Tavel 1m/s as he approches 0 but he will never arive at 0, so no he will not reach the end of the bridge

      So you actually think you have proven that the rabbit will never overtake the turtle?

    141. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      He will Tavel 1m/s as he approches 0 but he will never arive at 0

      Ergo, motion is an illusion, and our senses are not to be trusted. We shall henceforth call you Zeno.

    142. Re:Who? by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      Unlike you, I do not fear being wrong. "Wrong" is one of only two outcomes in a system of oppositional thinking, but it is the default and most probable outcome of most meaningful research and theory. In fact, most theories from which we develop applications have been inadequate and subsequently subsumed or supplanted by more accurate and useful theories with different dependencies. Look at the histories of medicine, mechanics, cosmology, chemistry, theism, justice, sociology, and any other field of endeavor for long lists of obsolete but at the time definitive and functional theories that rightly evoke "WTF?" today.

      Being wrong and acknowledging that fact is the only way we arrive at new knowledge. Please join those of us working for the new science of tomorrow, while acknowledging the accomplishments of the past.

      Knuth, and several hundred million other people of his time, invented and discovered all sorts of wonderful things. But to claim that no other discoveries can be made without using his inventions and discoveries implies that his work represents the final and correct summation about those particular aspects of the universe on which he worked.

      Every human advance in history has been shown by further advances to be obsolete. Newton's theories were considered almost reality for 300 years, and continue to help us to generate reasonably good approximations of the physical world. But then relativity provided a much more accurate and powerful theory about the physical world without reference to Newton's kinematics, yet we do not consider that strange. We continue to use both for different purposes. But then again, we no longer practice blood-letting, nor burn witches, around which elaborate theories and self-consistent sciences were developed.

      I take no issue with individuals worshipping particular texts; I simply prefer to live and explore the real world in addition to the models (however elegant) recorded in the cannon.

      Why are you afraid of being wrong?

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      There are 1.1... kinds of people.
    143. Re:Who? by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      To take the logical extension, mcvos' argument appears not to be that new knowledge can build on previous knowledge, but that new knowledge must build on all previous references to knowledge. This is dangerous since references to knowledge are not generally themselves knowledge, and because requiring new thinking to be limited to the assumptions set out in previous theories would systematically prevent the emergence of new ideas (not in or derived from the previous theory).

      Thinking inside the box and working to define the nature of the box to exquisite levels of precision is a great way to get tenure and such, but rarely do such activities create new boxes or provide reasons to obsolete old ones.

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    144. Re:Who? by Amouth · · Score: 1

      i'm just stating that if you divide a remaining distance or value or length by 2 you will approach zero but never arrive at zero no mater how fast you do it..

      i'm not discounting that you will get so arbitrarily close that you will essentially and most functionally at zero but you won't actually be at zero.

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    145. Re:Who? by Myopic · · Score: 1

      He's the most famous software teacher of all time. Not the most famous computer theorist (Turing), not the most famous teacher (Plato), not the most famous software writer (Lovelace), but the most famous software teacher. He literally wrote the most classic ever programming book. So around here, he's pretty well known, although I'm not terribly surprised that some haven't heard of him. I never used his books in any of my classes, but I have held them, and read the first chapter; and I've certainly heard of him.

      If you ask nerds to start naming famous people in the programming context, Knuth will be in the top twenty most of the time.

    146. Re:Who? by Myopic · · Score: 1

      Yes, he almost certainly honestly believes that.

      And that's the problem.

    147. Re:Who? by WNight · · Score: 1

      When shown a new concept in logic you don't say "that's mathematical!" ...

    148. Re:Who? by Myopic · · Score: 1

      People can be split into two groups, leaders and followers.

      Actually, there are three kinds of person: leaders (Knuth), followers (most people, which is just fine), and douchebags (you).

    149. Re:Who? by Myopic · · Score: 1

      Point of fact: it was the zero we added; we already had the one when we were counting in unary.

    150. Re:Who? by Slime-dogg · · Score: 1

      I'd make a correction to that - computer science is a subset of mathematics. Computer programming, on the other hand, is not. There is a difference between the two.

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    151. Re:Who? by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      I beg to differ. With my custom perl script and LaTeX I can turn a plain text file into a perfectly formatted manuscript in under ten seconds. No mucking with menus, fonts, or anything--ever. One bash command and I'm done. Granted, it took about a two-weeks of labor to get the script working to my satisfaction (and it's an ungodly kludge of a hack), but it works better and faster than a word processor for my purposes (MLA for school, manuscript formats for short stories/novels), and I never have to worry about formatting again.

    152. Re:Who? by Myopic · · Score: 1

      tl; dr

    153. Re:Who? by Myopic · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, no, I think Knuth is important, but Turing is to CS what Newton is to Physics.

    154. Re:Who? by Myopic · · Score: 1

      "your". Ha!

    155. Re:Who? by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      Knuth doesn't stand out amongst his peers

      Famous people have someone to urinate for them? Man, I got to get out more.

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    156. Re:Who? by WNight · · Score: 1

      Heh, yeah. Right.

      Alas and alack like a stab in the back I hack and I hack but I lack the knack to crack the stack.

      To crack the stack there and back, without any flack or loss of slack, you merely need a gimmack.

    157. Re:Who? by digitig · · Score: 1

      What bit of my post are you disagreeing with? Nothing that you say seems to contradict any part of it.

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    158. Re:Who? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      If you've never heard of the giants on whose shoulders you could stand, the very best you can hope for is to duplicate their work, and it'd be pretty arrogant to assume you can do even that.

      That's just pompous bullshit. Knuth, et al, didn't write any e-commerce apps, now did they? Did they do any definitive treatments on 3d texturing? No? How about image warping? No??? Did I need to study these fine CS giants to write my first compiler? No, I did not. My first assembler? No. Linker? No. Did I need to study them to figure out high performance dithering? No.

      Knuth and his ivory tower buddies no doubt contributed plenty, but not everything out there depends on a knowledge of what they did. Some things - like the limits of compression, for instance - are pretty damned obvious without going in for a semester of noise theory, or reading Shannon until your eyelids lock open. Aliasing is a blatantly obvious effect that we've seen examples of all the time for decades thanks to video; a month of theory, or a lecture about it, is 100% overkill if you simply think the matter through. Not that I knock anyone for thinking it through *first*, or being rigorous about it, but damn, man, if you can't work out the consequences of sampling a changing waveform too slowly, or not making the waveform change slowly enough so that your sampling becomes fast enough, you're kind of a dumbass anyway.

      Programming is such a deep field, and such a broad one, that to say that a programmer can't be "good" because they don't know Knuth (or Shannon, or Babbage, or Lovelace, or electronics, or assembly language, or queuing theory, etc.) is just purest nonsense. There's lots of room for work in areas that don't need a bit of any of that.

      Further, there are areas - like AI - where it hasn't been demonstrated that *anyone* has got anything right, so that even though lots of time has been spent by very smart people, we still don't even know for sure what we should be looking at and what is pure bunk. A new outlook, untainted by any previous work, might be just the ticket. I'm suddenly reminded of Minsky's utter failure to correctly assess neural nets. Some "Giant" he turned out to be - smart as hell, and just as wrong. And he did a huge amount of harm with that.

      I've got the background that seems to be so highly recommended here, and I have to tell you, in coding just about every day since the late 1960s, I very rarely deal with issues where those giants, as it were, are even slightly relevant. The vast majority of programming isn't about that kind of coding, frankly, and if it was, we wouldn't have many interesting programs to play with.

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    159. Re:Who? by doohan · · Score: 1

      That's the headlines for now. More Knuth at 10.

    160. Re:Who? by zieroh · · Score: 1

      Seconded. Computer programming is math

      No, it isn't. It's algorithms. It occasionally involves math, sometimes a lot of math, even. But to say that programming is math is to miss the real point of programming.

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    161. Re:Who? by skids · · Score: 1

      I would like to side with the GP here. I'm degreed, I write decent enough code to know what bad code looks like, I contribute to OSS, and frankly, Knuth didn't even come up in my algorithms class. I was out of college and gainfully employed (in a socially productive job no less) for 5 years before I even heard of Knuth.

      At the same time, I'm sure some of my class material was affected by Knuth's work at least to some degree. I don't have to have heard of Knuth to "stand on his shoulders," just see other ideas from someone else who draws on his material. Neither does the GP, so any assertions that they are a bad coder because their "CS historian" skills are weak are pure bunk. (As an aside, I've never seen a Science Channel show about Mathematics that taught me anything other than the history of Math, have you? You can fill reams of pages with the human stories behind theories, and still not convey a working understanding of the theory.)

      And, yes, I've discovered an algorithm which might be new, or might not be. It probably isn't, given all the advanced ring algebra theory that's already out there and could fill an entire career. Nobody I ask seems to know, or care, so I haven't bothered to prove it yet. But maybe 10 years down the road it will become critical to some important application. I don't even care whether I get credit for it at that point, neither for "discovering it" if I indeed did, or just making it accessible by terming it in useful natural language so someone who needs it and isn't a professional mathematician can actually find it.

    162. Re:Who? by Almost-Retired · · Score: 1

      Been there, done that. I wonder if some of the code I cleaned up was his output, but then I look at the calendar and realize I was probably doing that long before he was a gleam in his fathers eye.

      Please, deliver us from pompous assholes who think they can write professional grade code after a cs-101 class. They get a passing grade from their prof because the prof is a ducking fummy, drop the project half done, and I get to clean up the fscking mess and actually make it work.

      Funny part is I had no idea who Knuth was when I cut my first code on an RCA 1802 cpu in the late 70's. But that code did the job it was intended to do, didn't crash unless there was a long power failure (long = more than 8 hours, battery backup), and continued to do that job for well over a decade. And I did it by looking up the hex value to enter into the monitor that board had, byte by byte, no assembler or compiler even existed at the time. I also built from scratch most of the hardware to interface it to a video tape recorder, and the video itself for that application.

      Jerks like that can come back and re-apply when they have matched that. I am sick to death of idiots who remove an assembly code optimization that speeds a function up by reducing its execution time to 5% of that which the compiler generates just because they can't see that a copy of B to A, clearB is an 8 bit left shift needed in a crc algorithm, but does in 2 instructions, no loop, what it took the compiler 20 something to do each time it went through the loop to make a single left bit shift on a 16 bit value, and repeat 8 times because that cpu didn't have a barrel shifter. The attitude that the compiler cannot make a mistake is pure BS and we all know it.

      Yeah, I can be a crotchety old fart, when somebody pulls my trigger. Not knowing who Donald Knuth is, or never heard of half a dozen others that corralled all us cats that were around long before the internet was a publicly available tool, trying to teach us how to write code that Just Worked(TM), is tantamount to saying that Einstein was an idiot, or that Newtons third law is wrong.

    163. Re:Who? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      The real slim shady

    164. Re:Who? by bky1701 · · Score: 1

      Someone needs to get back to polishing their ivory towers!

    165. Re:Who? by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

      Actually, formal languages are the foundation of both. Define a set of symbols and production rules for the languages of predicate logic and propositional calculus, then use them to define a formal set theory with which to derive all of mathematics. Thanks to Godel's numbering scheme as soon as you have your logic, set theory, and arithmetic with the natural numbers you can start all over again by defining the production rules as functions over the natural numbers and formally define the logic for the entire system within itself.

    166. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pope and the Catholic church has no problem with evolution

      Yes, but it's also their official policy to aid and abet the rape of children, so why would you even bring up those animals in polite company?

    167. Re:Who? by c0d3g33k · · Score: 1

      Wow. Best followup thread tree ever.

      I thank you all.

    168. Re:Who? by c0d3g33k · · Score: 1

      I'm having a little trouble parsing your rant, but I get you are passionate about it. Yay for you - my heart is glad too. Work a bit more on the language and expressiveness and the rest of us can share your joy. Otherwise you are dancing on the periphery of tl;dr territory.

    169. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, nah, I've got Knuthing.

    170. Re:Who? by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Must anyone who works with life have heard of read LaPlace, Darwin, Watson and Crick, and Latour?

      Depends what kind of work you're talking about. For most professional-level careers, the answer is "yes".

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    171. Re:Who? by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Did I need to study these fine CS giants to write my first compiler? No, I did not. My first assembler? No. Linker? No. Did I need to study them to figure out high performance dithering? No.

      Chances are good that you did, indirectly.

      To pick a random example, you probably used a parser generator to write your first compiler. The documentation probably didn't mention in its documentation that Knuth invented LL and LR parsing, and as long as everything worked, you probably didn't need to know this. But if you'd come across a problem with your grammar (e.g. it was LR(1) but not LALR(1)), you would have been better off knowing this than not knowing this.

      The overwhelming majority of airline pilots get through their career without ever having to abort a landing under real conditions. But would you hire one that didn't know how?

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    172. Re:Who? by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Some people learned how to program outside of academia. I have heard of Knuth, but don't really know anything about him nor do I care to. It hasn't hindered my ability to write software one bit.

      The difference between the best of the best and the worst of the worst is that the best of the best are not afraid to break the rules, but the worst of the worst don't even know what the rules are.

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    173. Re:Who? by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Please, deliver us from pompous assholes who think they can write professional grade code after a cs-101 class. They get a passing grade from their prof because the prof is a ducking fummy, drop the project half done, and I get to clean up the fscking mess and actually make it work.

      I agree with what you're trying to say, but you're being way too harsh on CS-101 professors.

      Software development is a trade, and most of it is learned during an apprenticeship on the job, preferably under the wing of a good mentor or two, and in the lifetime that follows. Someone who has graduated an undergraduate-level CS course is like someone who has graduated a trade school. It means they can probably wield the tools of the trade without hurting themselves or others. It does not mean that they can produce anything of quality yet.

      The attitude that the compiler cannot make a mistake is pure BS and we all know it.

      Welcome to the 21st century, where network latency, caches, instruction ordering and register renaming have a bigger effect on performance of most applications than whether the CPU has a Booth or Wallace tree multiplier.

      Compilers almost always do better than even good assembler programmers, all other things being equal. Or, to put it another way, assembler programmers can always beat high-level programmers because they can also use a compiler.

      Don't get me wrong. For any task that isn't systems integration (i.e. anything that's interesting and worth doing), assembler is still important, but only because you can use it to track down and solve problems after they are found.

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    174. Re:Who? by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Someone else needs to get back to polishing turds.

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    175. Re:Who? by ps2os2 · · Score: 0

      Sorry but I have been in the programming field for 40+ years and have only vaguely heard of the guy. There are only a few people I remember for example the inventor of COBOL and of course the micro computer people. Like Steve Jobs and the other one. I do not spend time looking at the history (while it might be remotely interesting) it really had nothing to do with the job I performed and frankly what they might have done 50+ years ago what ever they did, they only have their name in this day and age. There are many more current people that have contributed immense amounts of knowledge to todays coders than most (if not all) of the grand daddies of computers.

      Computers now days are on the orders of magnitude more sophisticated than the in the days when these people were around. While they may have contributed some important first "rules" or compilers or "laws", I think in general most of the people would be considered out of tune in todays computing world.

    176. Re:Who? by galoise · · Score: 1

      there is absolutely no possibility whatsoever of becoming even barely acquainted with anything remotely related with any field of modern philosophy without not only hearing of, but knowing who is, and hopefully directly reading, kant.

      and he is called Immanuel.

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    177. Re:Who? by Atario · · Score: 1

      Believing in evolution, on the other hand, would be to hold the position that the current plants and animals are the result of such a process, where the selection has been carried out by naturally occurring circumstances.

      In other words, he could accept the mechanism, but not that it could be driven by anything but a someone. It's like an electrical engineer accepting that electricity exists, but insisting that lightning isn't really electricity because no one set up a generator floating in the clouds. Which is to say, extreme cognitive dissonance.

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    178. Re:Who? by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      Not so. Zeno's paradox is defeated by calculus and convergence.

      If you go half the distance in half the time, then you move at a constant rate, and you do, in fact, arrive in a finite amount of time.

      So if you're travelling 1/2 metre in 1/2 second, and then 1/4 metre in 1/4 second, then dx/dt is a constant 1m/s and you arrive after 1 second.

      It's only "never" when the units of time are proportional to the number of decreasingly small steps. You converge at exactly 1 metre at infinity steps, and exactly 1 second at infinity steps. You aren't just have "functionally zero" distance remaining after 1 second, you have literally 0.

      Now, you aren't going to get past that point, because travelling even a nanometre past 1 metre is undefined given the parameters of the question -- as is your location more than 1 second later. But you will arrive, in exactly 1 second.

      Otherwise, to be consistent, you'd have to claim that 1 second "never" passes no matter how long you wait, and you just get arbitrarily close.

    179. Re:Who? by dintech · · Score: 1

      These jokes are a Knuth around my neck.

    180. Re:Who? by tenco · · Score: 1

      I actually had to google Friedman.And i don't know why you compare him to Knuth. I never held a book in my hands with his name on it. Landau or Lifshitz would be more fitting, IMHO.

    181. Re:Who? by glwtta · · Score: 1

      Sure, those are probably better (I'm not a physicist, that was probably the weakest of my examples).

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    182. Re:Who? by tenco · · Score: 1

      Logic is built on the principles of mathematics

      Which came first, the logic or the maths?

      Logic is the principle of mathematics.

    183. Re:Who? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      To take the logical extension, mcvos' argument appears not to be that new knowledge can build on previous knowledge, but that new knowledge must build on all previous references to knowledge.

      No, it's that new knowledge generally builds on some previous knowledge. You don't have to stand on the shoulders of all giants simultaneously, but there aren't so many completely new, completely unexplored areas that there aren't usually some giants nearby.

      This is dangerous since references to knowledge are not generally themselves knowledge,

      Why not?

      and because requiring new thinking to be limited to the assumptions set out in previous theories would systematically prevent the emergence of new ideas (not in or derived from the previous theory).

      I'm not requiring it to be limited, I'm only requiring it to be new, rather than duplicating what was already known. It's perfectly fine to overthrow the status quo, and introduce a completely new paradigm. But you can do that much more effectively when you know the old paradigm and can explain what's wrong with it. If you've never even heard of the old paradigm, you're just stumbling about in the dark.

    184. Re:Who? by jthill · · Score: 1

      It's not a desk reference.

      It teaches you what a computer is, how to think about what's going on in there.

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    185. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like being in porn and not knowing who Ron Jeremy or Jenna Jameson is.

      Knuth doesn't stand out amongst his peers in his field as much as those examples you've mentioned.

      *wink wink nudge nudge* Say no more, say no more! ;)

    186. Re:Who? by slashsloth · · Score: 1

      Wrong.

      Yes, there's a lot of giant shoulders he stood on. But he gathered plenty of pebbles on his own -- boulders, in fact. Wrote lots of papers. Invented TeX, Metafont, literate programming, perfect shuffles. Dozens if not hundreds of original papers outside of his books.

      Do one thing for me. Spend five minutes researching before posting. Or even just one minute THINKING about what an idiot you might appear if your post is wrong.

      Am I the only one who followed this link & found that you'd managed to get the spelling of his name wrong in the search query: this DE Knut guy is some bio/med research type. On the up side I guess I can say that I've heard of both of 'em now.

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    187. Re:Who? by jthill · · Score: 1

      LR parsing, TeX, METAFONT not good enough chops to satisfy you, eh? You must be pretty hot stuff to be unimpressed by that.

      As for taocp being an "aggregat[ion] of algorithms" ... well ... it's hard to know what to say. I think you kind of missed the point of it.

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    188. Re:Who? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      It's pathetic that you think nobody else can think for themselves or come up with their own ideas and breakthroughs.

      Of course you can. Spending time coming up with the same ideas and breakthroughs someone else has already done is known as "reinventing the wheel" and is stupid, since it wastes time and energy on dublicating effort rather than inventing something new.

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    189. Re:Who? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Well, of course there's more: you left out ELSE, you silly rabbit!

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    190. Re:Who? by infinitelink · · Score: 1
      To put it more plainly, in response to

      However, this is really not the case at all with theory of computation & discrete math. Those branches arose in the 20th century; who figured out what and when is well known.

      my point was thus, that knowing the subject matter and knowing the people who came up with it--irregardless of whether they're well known--cannot be identified nor rationally said to depend on one another in either direction, contra

      Someone who has rigorously learned the subject matter would most certainly recognize the name Knuth

      It's possible that someone can have interest only in the subject matter and completely spurn care about who made what, for instance. Not knowing the names of celebrated persons isn't a valid nor defensible premise for asserting that such a person hasn't done any serious study in the concepts and their applications. Such a situation might be taken as an indicator with a high probability that they haven't studied that rigorously, "if at all", based perhaps on your personal experience, but stating it any more strongly than that, or stating it as outright proof that such a person hasn't studied seriously, is a mistake.

      Si erro, mone me.

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    191. Re:Who? by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      >You don't have to stand on the shoulders of all giants simultaneously

      Yes. That is the broad argument that all the apparently successful programmers here who've not heard of Knuth have tried to make. "some of the literature in the subject" is not the same as "Knuth's literature on the subject".

      > Why not?

      To restate a point made repeatedly elsewhere in this discussion: Hearing of a person's work, and understanding the work are two very different things.

      At least some of the Knuth advocates in this discussion have argued that having "heard of" some "giant" in a field confers some qualification to work in that field. My contention is that merely hearing of Pauli's work does not qualify me as a theoretical chemist.

      The danger in substituting actual knowledge with a reference to knowledge is that the knower starts to believe and operate in their false authority, while not having a strong incentive to become knowledgeable in those names they cite.

      >But you can do that much more effectively when you know the old paradigm and can explain what's wrong with it.

      That depends. To meaningfully "know" a paradigm means to have internalized the assumptions, structures, and "best practices" of that paradigm; that is, to be bound in thinking to the paradigm's current rules which tend not to recognise problems outside the comfortable parts of the problem domain. This is especially true of professionals and researchers who have heavily invested in physical or intellectual capital based on those assumptions. Contemporary examples include media distribution (assumes producers, exclusively a push model, and consumers), acute care (assumes the most effective solution is the one which resolves the most symptoms without necessarily addressing the root cause), and computing (assumes that vN model is reality, that the vN model is the best model, and that the vN model should be imposed on new computing substrates).

      N00bs who are not wedded to such assumptions may have an easier time conceiving problems or elsewise thinking outside the existing paradigm.

      Also, any successful new paradigm (has great explanatory value) must at least re-explore problems considered solved by the old paradigm if the old paradigm is to be displaced. Have a good conversation with anyone who has practiced within a single industry for a couple of generations (or read Thomas Kuhn's "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" for a theoretical treatment of the same knowledge) if you would like a better understanding of this point. Or, closer to the ground, recall that almost every new technology (the result of a minor or major paradigm shift) starts out with substantial performance gaps when compared with the leading edge of the old as it works through and deals with old problems: solid state drives and latency; MP3 players and size; LCD panels and pixel switching time; digital cameras and resolution; etc. Expert readings and knowledge of servos from the old paradigms would have been non-useful, if not hindering, in thinking about how to solve the new problems. In some cases, "what's wrong with" an old paradigm may become the strength of the new paradigm (as with anti-bacterial moulds).

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    192. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So: Linux has provided no value; Linus had no business writing a kernel without having read every paper about kernels; and no new knowledge came from the exercise. Right then. Leaving the entire field to the first to enter it has worked out so well in the past.

    193. Re:Who? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      So: Linux has provided no value; Linus had no business writing a kernel without having read every paper about kernels; and no new knowledge came from the exercise.

      No, Linux has provided plenty of value. However, many of its features - time-sharing, memory protection, virtual memory, memory mapping and shared libraries to name just a few - are based on earlier works on the field. By incorporating these existing breakthroughs Linux has become far more than it had been had Linus been forced to start from the scratch and invent it all himself.

      Right then. Leaving the entire field to the first to enter it has worked out so well in the past.

      You shouldn't leave the field to the first to enter it; however, you should continue from where those who came before you left off, rather than starting again from the very beginning. That way you'll reach far further, and those who come after you can reach further still.

      No matter how tall you are, you'll always reach higher if you stand on the shoulder of a giant. In fact, no matter how tall you are, you still reach higer even if you just stand on the shoulder of a midget, rather than on bare ground. This is the purpose of studying: to allow you to utilize your abilities to reach new highs, rather than repeat work that's already been done.

      None of this means that people who haven't studied IT couldn't do very well indeed; it's simply that by studying it they could do even better.

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    194. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      @mcvos: Breakthroughs are fundamentally unpredictable. That's why they're breakthroughs and not routine work. If you've managed to come up with a reliable way to deterministically advance science by simply reading Knuth, please share since the world is facing several seemingly intractable problems right now that could use breakthroughs.

    195. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Linux is an existence proof that _not_ deriving from the state of the art (one of the existing UNIX-like or other systems) is one of many paths to useful outcomes and new knowledge.

      That point bears emphasizing because a noticeable crowd of commenters argue that the only valid way to make progress is to derive directly from Knuth, and disallow the possibility of deriving from works that may derive from Knuth among several.

      Also, a nimble midget stands and sees more soundly than giants collapsed by their own weight.

    196. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so, where's announcement?

    197. Re:Who? by neuralprobe · · Score: 1

      I'd start at the end of the pier and walk towards the shore. :)

    198. Re:Who? by Genda · · Score: 1

      That's like being a geologist and thinking the world is only 6,000 years old... he must have had his corpus collosum cut... if the hemispheres of his brain ever talk, his head will explode!!!

      I wonder which hemisphere he keeps the stupid in???

    199. Re:Who? by Genda · · Score: 1

      On the contrary. Anyone who got the biology degree needed to work for a major corporation would have had to study the courses that show them how we now can;

      1. Determine the relative timing of lifeforms and the date of their divergence by the rate of acquired random mutation.
      2. Discover the mechanisms of micro and macro evolution and inherited traits through both genetic and epigenetic processes
      3. Observe micro-evolution in action in short lived species; bacterial resistance to antibiotics, insect resistance to pesticides, etc.
      4. Actually visit the evolution of specific genes from different species to see how for instance segmented worms, grew legs, and then reduced the segment count to 2 or 3 and became arthropods
      5. And even find the 5 fold symmetry that originated in our echinoderm ancestors (and the genes that determined it) and how we can thank them for our heads, hands, and feet.

      It would be very odd and short sighted to take the entire universe of a given scientific field and artificially amputate huge sections of said science science to protect some magical Jebus fantasy. Clearly if there is a "GOD", he had no problem using the resources at his disposal for creating life, it would seem silly in the extreme to hold fast to an ideology requiring one ignore the very designs of such a creator. On the other hand, if there is no deity, then it's simply loopy to desperately keep trying to shove the round world into the square hole that is your mind.

    200. Re:Who? by Genda · · Score: 1

      Sadly, I think you miss the point of Math... All Language is math. Math is the fundamental language of the universe and all possible and impossible universes. Math is the foundation upon which the possibility of meaning rests. Programming is the organized domain of data and process, the process is mathematical, the data is mathematical, the thought space in which it all exists is mathematical, and the entire conversation of it lives in language which as I asserted earlier is fundamentally mathematical. Have I perhaps missed something? Are you maybe alluding to some artistic, spiritual, human essence that transcends the physical reality of mathematics and that might impinge on the more ephemeral aspects of invention and artistry??? I'm open to being shown the errors of my way... show me something about programming that has no grounding in mathematics... I love a good magic show!

    201. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's my time to waste.

      And fuck you for trying to tell people how they should and should not use their time. Discovering things on your own, without someone else's input is half of the joy of living. I don't want your information. I don't want your ideas. I want to do it on my own, in my own time because I enjoy it.

      Did you also consider that in the process of "reinventing the wheel" as you put it, new ways of looking at things can come up, thereby leading to new discoveries and inventions? Of course you didn't. You're stuck in your little box.

    202. Re:Who? by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      Intelligent design? This is Monsanto we're talking about!

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    203. Re:Who? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      Stuff like this has started me thinking that Born Again Christianity is a kind of cult. They brainwash people to not use their own brains in many places. And there are many things practiced by its followers that ignore much of what their patron actually taught.

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    204. Re:Who? by ldobehardcore · · Score: 1

      Let me clarify a little bit.... You may not be intending to do math with whatever computer program you may be writing. And you may not explicitly use math to do things in computer programming.

      The point I'm trying to make is that: no matter what a program does, or how it's constructed, at the most basic level all a processor does is add, subtract, multiply, divide and compare two numbers. That's 4/5ths arithmetic, and 1/5th mathematical logic.

      At the lowest levels, programming is translated entirely into math.

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  2. I speculate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that we will know tomorrow :)

    1. Re:I speculate... by JWSmythe · · Score: 4, Funny

          I speculate it'll be something as earth shattering as the "it" announcement was, or how every person has a Segway in their home now.

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    2. Re:I speculate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      TeX to ship with iPhone.

    3. Re:I speculate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      and used to generate a flash-runtime at execution time.

    4. Re:I speculate... by sheriff_p · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Remember when we were all agog about Linus working for some breakthrough company that was going to change everything forever, and in fact, was just TransMeta?

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    5. Re:I speculate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't have a Segway in my home yet. I do alright by walking, and a lot of the places where I'd use my Segway are only accessible by car, which can't carry a Segway, so I wouldn't be a lot better off with one. I know everyone else is getting one, but I just can't quite justify it for myself. They are kind of expensive. Plus, I'd have to haul it up to my apartment, which is an upstairs unit, and I think that would be kind of awkward, so I probably won't actually buy one until my apartment complex has covered outdoor Segway parking, but I don't know when that will be so I haven't made any plans to purchase one. Sure, everyone else may have one in their home, but I just don't think it's quite right for me just yet. I also don't think they're that Earth shattering, just convenient, except for sometimes when they're just not practical, so I don't think that's what Knuth's announcement will be.

    6. Re:I speculate... by Another,+completely · · Score: 1

      ... or how every person has a Segway in their home now.

      That announcement would get attention: "Look under your conference seat! You get a Segway! You get a Segway! Everybody gets a Segway!"

      The YouTube video of it would get more views than a piano-playing cat.

    7. Re:I speculate... by frisket · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's a proof that 2^5 != 32 after all...

    8. Re:I speculate... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          The Segway in every home was sarcasm. :) When it was announced, it was lead by announcements of "it", and there was all kinds of speculation in many places, including here. I just see it as a rich kid toy, where they had excess money to burn.

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    9. Re:I speculate... by SwedishCoward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it's a new device called iTeX.

    10. Re:I speculate... by Chapter80 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Given that Knuth doesn't have an email account, I'm betting it's one of these:

      - Knuth now has his secretary sending tweets for him.
      - Knuth got a Facebook account. It's literally a book of faces.
      - Knuth has convinced his secretary to view the most popular YouTube videos on a daily basis, and then act them out. (Her kitten impressions are awesome.)

      But seriously, I'm hoping that he's releasing his works under creative commons. Bibles are free in hotels, but if you want the bible of programming and algorithms, you have to pay $70 per volume!

    11. Re:I speculate... by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      I think you mean, iPhone to be packaged on CTAN.

    12. Re:I speculate... by LihTox · · Score: 1

      TeX to ship with iPhone.

      You mean every TeX download will come with a free iPhone? Cool! :)

    13. Re:I speculate... by ChefInnocent · · Score: 1

      Of course 2^5 != 32. 2^5==7.

    14. Re:I speculate... by Garridan · · Score: 1

      iPhone to ship with TeX?

    15. Re:I speculate... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          They still put bibles in hotel rooms? I haven't noticed. I only ever open the drawers to stash my ... errr ... No, I never open the drawers.

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    16. Re:I speculate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it was 8==D , unless I'm excited then it's 8============D

          SHWING!

    17. Re:I speculate... by cardpuncher · · Score: 1

      I think it's more likely to be:

      Social networking site acquires "buddy" algorithm....

  3. P!=NP by afidel · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Would be shocking, but as smart as Knuth is I doubt that's the kind of thing he'd be discovering at this point in his career. Breakthrough proofs tend to be completed by kids in their early to mid 20's, it's when the brain is still plastic enough for truly out of the box thinking but where enough knowledge has been gathered to actually work on the hard problems.

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    1. Re:P!=NP by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      unless of course, your Albert Einstein, Galileo, Marie Curie, Niels Bohr, Ernst Ruska, or any number of other important members of the scientific community throughout the centuries. many of these people did not provide 'breakthroughs until well into there 30's, and most of them continued to provide useful advances in science well into there later years.

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    2. Re:P!=NP by bonch · · Score: 1

      Uh, there are tons of examples to the contrary.

    3. Re:P!=NP by afidel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Einsteins miracle year was when he was 22.

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    4. Re:P!=NP by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...And most people can speak without the aid of a speech synthesizer and can move around that have brilliant minds, yet that doesn't stop Stephen Hawking.

      We can make trends all we want but the fact is, every human is different, trends only help somewhat but there are more people who break the trend that do extraordinary work than those who follow it.

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    5. Re:P!=NP by LongearedBat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Breakthrough proofs tend to be completed by kids in their early to mid 20's, it's when the brain is still plastic enough for truly out of the box thinking but where enough knowledge has been gathered to actually work on the hard problems.

      Perhaps also because they actually have the opportunity.

      Older people, who may still be plenty capable while having much more experience, seldom have the opportunity (due to mortgage, family, etc.)
      Almost all incentives are given to youth (which makes sense). But older people seldom get a break. I think this, more than anything else, is what causes peoples brains to go stale.

    6. Re:P!=NP by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also, until recently a lot of them had a lack of continuing education and a lack of fresh ideas. Someone young and looking to get ahead is going to put a lot more time in classes taught by different people and keeping up to date with the trends.

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    7. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The miracle year was 1905. He was 26.

    8. Re:P!=NP by kzieli · · Score: 1

      Actually it doesn't seem to matter how old you are, but how long you have been working in the particular field. In pretty well anything it takes 10 years of concentrated practice to reach your peak. That is about the time you would expect someone to do their best work before starting a gradual decline. The crux here is not brain age but specific experience. If you don't have it you are more likely to ask the dumb questions that lead to novel answers, and if you do have it then you won't.

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    9. Re:P!=NP by bugs2squash · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The genius of it is thinking up something fantastic in your 20s, and savoring the idea for 50 years and announcing it as an older man. Damn, I wish I'd saves some of my best thinking for a rainy day.

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    10. Re:P!=NP by c0d3g33k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Acting as an advocate for these people with your spelling, grammar and punctuation skills takes irony to epic levels.

    11. Re:P!=NP by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      unless of course, your Albert Einstein

      I don't have an Einstein. It's considered rude to own people these days.

      Scientists != mathematicians. It's often said that the latter peak early.

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    12. Re:P!=NP by retchdog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      More to the point, Knuth is foremost an algorithmist. I don't think he cares very much about P $\neq$ NP as an ends in itself since it is probably going to be (and certainly is expected to be) a very abstract math result without much insight into algorithms per se. It's just not his style to spend much energy on it.

      Some may laugh at this, but Knuth is a very practically-minded guy who also loves, and is quite capable of, playing with and generalizing these practical ideas and tools into theory. The "serious" attacks on P/NP are just the opposite. I'd guess he's probably taken a few cracks at it for fun and to test out new ideas, but one of them working would really be a longshot. Knuth has a LOT of ideas, but his being the _very first_ one to have the purely algorithmic insight to solve P/NP are quite slim.

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    13. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      1905 was special relativity...1915 was general relativity (at least the modern version)...he continued to provide important breakthroughs and challenges related to gravitation and quantum mechanics (some right some wrong) well into the 1930's. I'd say that is more than "in his 20s" given that he was born in 1879

    14. Re:P!=NP by turing_m · · Score: 1, Funny

      I don't have an Einstein. It's considered rude...

      It really depends on your frame of reference.

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    15. Re:P!=NP by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      It depends how you count breakthroughs.

      That age may well be when he had his insight on the speed of light being constant and time being malleable, though the actual work of course only just started. The development of his theories of relativity and quantum physics and whatnot took at least another 20 years or so.

      Many great scientists took years to reach their actual breakthrough. Thinking of the father of fibre optics (Charles Kao) who had his ideas at young age already but took decades of hard work and dedication to make it actually come true.

    16. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Although what you're mentioning is true, it's not always true:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Perelman

    17. Re:P!=NP by oldhack · · Score: 1

      And if he did, he wouldn't have posted it in his blog footnote in quotation. Duh.

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    18. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      26

    19. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except he was 26

    20. Re:P!=NP by Vellmont · · Score: 1

      You may want to read up on Einstein a bit more. Special relativity was published in 1905. General relativity in 1915. Einstein didn't develop quantum mechanics, he was actually an opponent of it (his famous "god does not play dice" quote is a direct criticism of QM in fact).

      It did take quite a while for his theories to be accepted. But they certainly didn't take 20 years for him to develop. That's just flat out wrong.

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    21. Re:P!=NP by shriphani · · Score: 1

      So you think it is going be a new heuristic for an NP Complete problem? Or a new computer for his texts that sufficiently takes into account I/O latencies and the like?

    22. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, polar bears do all this these days?!?

    23. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Acting as an advocate for these people with your spelling, grammar and punctuation skills takes irony to epic levels.

      It would only be ironic if the GP was an English teacher or a Grammar Nazi.

    24. Re:P!=NP by Mathinker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > but his being the _very first_ one to have the purely algorithmic insight to solve P/NP are quite slim

      And the most likely result, in this case, would be that he would prove P = NP (by displaying an polynomial-time algorithm he has discovered for a problem in NP), not P != NP (the proof of which, AFAICS, requires deep mathematical reasoning, not algorithmic prowess).

      And, yes, I know that most people believe that P != NP.

    25. Re:P!=NP by davester666 · · Score: 1

      This time, he's going to release a program that really is bug-free. And he double-dares you to try to find a bug in it!

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    26. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen the mess surrounding many of the most creative and productive individuals?

      Spelling and grammar makes no difference as long as the meaning is understandable.

      I know from personal experience that several of the largest and most successful global companies do not care about absolute correctness. Many of them have developed a culture of simplified version of English as a international language. Not formally, but in practice.

      It just doesn't make sense to use a lot of fancy words and grammar when your top people that brings in the money end up misunderstanding each others.

      English was originally a poor international language. It is too complex. But it is what we got and it is signs that the international usage is changing it into something more practical.

      Simplified English with a lot of grammar and spelling mistakes and simplifications is my own everyday choice when communicating with people from China, India, Pakistan, Middle-East, Philippines, Indonesia, France, Germany, Malaysia, Nigeria, and a lot of other countries.

      I might be a idiot, but the globally respected PHDs and engineers might be less so.

    27. Re:P!=NP by chichilalescu · · Score: 1

      Like Vellmont says, special relativity was published in 1905. So was the article on the photoelectric effect (his crucial contribution to quantum physics).
      What is true is that he continued to work, and still made important research (even if he did oppose the accepted interpretation of quantum physics --- his opposition helped).
      What I think you're trying to say is that many great scientists have good ideas when they're young, they recognise them as good, and then they are willing to work a lifetime in order to prove it.

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    28. Re:P!=NP by pjt33 · · Score: 2, Informative

      1905 was special rel, Brownian motion, and the photoelectric effect. Three papers any one of which was a massive advance: that's why it's referred to as his miracle year.

    29. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      In 1905, Einstein's "miracle year", he was 26.

    30. Re:P!=NP by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Exactly that's what I mean. I was a bit in a hurry composing that previous post :) it may not have been very accurate.

      I think nowadays many great ideas are just too great to be finished just with the idea part. And on top of that many are only recognised much later: see the Nobel prize that is often given to scientists with a decades-long record of working on a particular idea, sometimes given only decades after they first published it.

      These days this will only be getting "worse". The new developments are getting increasingly more complex (all the easy ones are done already, so to say). Newtons law of gravity which works great for many applications is much simpler than Einstein's gravity, for example. Newton's laws describe very accurately how gravity behaves on the Earth's surface, pretty much up to how the planets move around the Sun. But it does not allow for gravity lenses, for example, which relativity handles just nicely. Then there is still the issue of the Voyager 1 and 2 going too fast (or was it too slow?) - a minute effect, maybe our gravity models are wrong, maybe it's something different, we don't know and can not explain yet. Likely there will some time in the future be an even more complex gravity theory that works on even smaller and/or larger scales. When it comes to gravity we still have the issue of "dark matter" - personally I don't believe this exists, I think we'll sooner or later find an improvement on theories governing gravity that will account nicely for all the problems we have now on galactic scales.

    31. Re:P!=NP by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      -1 overrated

      He didn't say anything about scientists in general, but about mathematical proofs.

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    32. Re:P!=NP by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's a big gamble in science. Imagine you're prepping something to be unveiled for your 50th birthday, only to hear on your 48th that someone else published it.

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    33. Re:P!=NP by monoi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except that one of Einstein's most lasting and relevant contribution to modern Physics is in fact general relativity, in the form of the Einstein field equations. Which he published (correctly) in November 1915, when he was 36.

    34. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it would be ironic if the people he was advocating for were Grammar Nazis. Unfortunately they were Grammar Jews.

    35. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unless of course, your Albert Einstein

      He's not just my Albert Einstein, he belongs to everybody.

    36. Re:P!=NP by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      I think you mean "leet" levels.

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    37. Re:P!=NP by Mark+Hood · · Score: 1

      I have a truly remarkable proof of this, but my brain is too small to contain it.

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    38. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Einsten was reportedly bad at maths according to some teacher of him, and look what he did.

    39. Re:P!=NP by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That age may well be when he had his insight on the speed of light being constant and time being malleable, though the actual work of course only just started.

      The insight that the speed of light is constant is somewhat older and goes back to James Clerk Maxwell, whose equations are based on a constant speed of light. The only thing that was not clear was if the speed of light is also constant under cosmic conditions. The series of Michelson's experiments to find variances in the speed of light started in 1881, and in 1892 Hendrik Antoon Lorentz in collaboration with Henri Poincaré published the Lorentz Ether Theory including the basic mathematics of Special Relativity.

      Albert Einstein's genius was thus not to postulate the constant speed of light in vacuum, or the time- and distance contractions resulting from there, but the abolishment of the ether as medium for the light.

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    40. Re:P!=NP by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Except that one of Einstein's most lasting and relevant contribution to modern Physics is in fact general relativity, in the form of the Einstein field equations. Which he published (correctly) in November 1915, when he was 36.

      But of course he had actually been working on and gradually improving it since 1905, and he even made a crucial mistake in his first publication. Hardly proof that he was at his prime at 36.

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    41. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nonsense. That's a selection effect caused by the fact that the Fields Medal is limited to people under 35. Just off the top of my head, Wiles was 40 when he proved Fermat's Last Theorem.

    42. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not quite right. Einstein put in a lot of work into the phenomena that QM describes and he was part of the crowd that developed it into a useful theory. It was the interpretations that he didn't like.

    43. Re:P!=NP by giorgist · · Score: 1

      Yep but it is pretty arrogant to announce "the announcing of a breakthrough"
      Others will be the judge of that

    44. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuk u

    45. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, he was 26.

    46. Re:P!=NP by mcvos · · Score: 3, Informative

      Einstein didn't develop quantum mechanics, he was actually an opponent of it (his famous "god does not play dice" quote is a direct criticism of QM in fact).

      It is of course a lot more complicated than that. He objected to some aspects of QM[*], but he also was the one who proposed the very first basics of what was to become QM, and he did quite a lot of work on it.

      [*] The philosophical implications of the uncertainty and randomness, especially. He didn't deny the results, but he assumed there was some deterministic layer below it that would someday be discovered.

    47. Re:P!=NP by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Newton's laws describe very accurately how gravity behaves on the Earth's surface, pretty much up to how the planets move around the Sun.

      Except for Mercury. I don't know what exactly it was, but Mercury's orbit isn't quite right according to Newton's laws.

    48. Re:P!=NP by hitmark · · Score: 3, Interesting

      one potential worry today tho is the lack of "downtime". That is, there are so many ways for us to not be bored that we basically have no real time to sit down and form grand mental models.

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    49. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously enough, "your" not one of them

    50. Re:P!=NP by carnivore302 · · Score: 1

      Would be shocking

      but not as much as proving P==NP

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    51. Re:P!=NP by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 1

      Newton's laws don't explain the precession of orbits - a non-circular orbit doesn't repeat over and over again, it slowly moves around the centre of mass of the system due to it being "tweaked" by relativistic effects when it's closer/further from a circular orbit. The effect is most pronounced from our point of view in Mercury's orbit as it's quite deep in the Sun's gravity well. Arthur Eddington, whilst investigating Einstein's work on SR, wrote to him asking whether SR explained Mercury's precession...turns out it did so pretty much perfectly.

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    52. Re:P!=NP by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2, Insightful
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    53. Re:P!=NP by RackinFrackin · · Score: 1

      unless of course, your Albert Einstein, Galileo, Marie Curie, Niels Bohr, Ernst Ruska \dots

      That's not a fair comparison. You listed physicists, but afidel was talking about mathematicians.

    54. Re:P!=NP by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Given that Knuth was actually replaced by a self-aware TeX macro some years ago, there is no reason to expect an future productivity decline...

    55. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      P!=NP?

      P most definitely =NP when N=1.

      Sheesh!

    56. Re:P!=NP by Vellmont · · Score: 1

      The GP made it sound as if Einstein was the father of QM, like he was the father of special and general relativity. That's of course not true, and is the point I'm trying to get across.

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    57. Re:P!=NP by griffjon · · Score: 1

      To quote the great mathematician, pianist, and parody-song-writer Tom Lehrer, "When Mozart was my age he had been dead for two years"

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    58. Re:P!=NP by ricosalomar · · Score: 1
      Excellent!

      When I was a kid, I spelled my name with a "7" in it.

      Didn't want to use a "3", felt it would be un-original.

    59. Re:P!=NP by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      Being bored is not a prerequisite for forming grand mental models. Some actually think for the fun of thinking.

    60. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the truth, the interview is in Coders At Work not Code Complete though. Why was this post downrated, someone too busy idealizing Knuth to honor the man's own words?

    61. Re:P!=NP by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Breakthrough proofs tend to be completed by kids in their early to mid 20's, when the brain doesn't have to spend all its time paying bills

      Fixed that for you.

    62. Re:P!=NP by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Maybe he's created a universal algoritm for finding algorithms.

    63. Re:P!=NP by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      I think he's referring to time for deep contemplation -- the kind that takes 4 hours of lying in a sun-drenched meadow just to clear your head enough to begin.

    64. Re:P!=NP by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      Or the mental models we do produce are for ridiculous things like modeling trends in the World of Warcraft auction house, or more effective Twitter data mining, or optimizing Farmville output. It's simply amazing the brain power that can be invested in leisure activities today.

      Myself, I like Sudoku puzzles, but I'm sure the mental effort involved there could be much better spent on something with real-world application. Sometimes the only difference between a slacker and a brilliant scientist is the degree to which their super complicated models are useful to the rest of humanity.

    65. Re:P!=NP by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If you're good at scientific research, and dedicated to it, you can likely get a job where you're going to be doing scientific research for the rest of your working life. You may have to do other things, like teach and write grant proposals, but the day job will be research.

      Certainly, more young people have opportunities to research than old people, but there's a pretty big selection bias in the older people.

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    66. Re:P!=NP by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      Except that one of Einstein's most lasting and relevant contribution to modern Physics is in fact general relativity, in the form of the Einstein field equations. Which he published (correctly) in November 1915, when he was 36.

      Maybe.

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    67. Re:P!=NP by adonoman · · Score: 1

      Nope, the announcement is the discovery of a remotely exploitable vulnerablity in TeX that allows arbitrary code execution as root.

    68. Re:P!=NP by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Newton's law DOES explain precession. The effects of the planets on each other under Newton's law gives a precession of orbits.

      It's just that the calculation under Newton's law is noticeably inaccurate (predicts a much smaller precession) in the case of Mercury. This is because of an ADDITIONAL effect from the warping of space-time around the sun.

    69. Re:P!=NP by lennier · · Score: 1

      He was the father, but when the kid grew up it started hanging around with a bunch of invisible cats so he kicked it out of the house.

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    70. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      P = NP / 2 (for large values of 2)

    71. Re:P!=NP by hasdikarlsam · · Score: 1

      The laws themselves are deterministic, though..

      I wonder if Einstein would have been satisfied with MWI.

    72. Re:P!=NP by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 1
      Then you quickly publish yours at the same time and get your network of buddies to talk your version up so the other guy doesn't get to be famous. Have you even heard of Wallace? ;)

      The letter delivered to Down House in June 1858 was as shocking as a thunderclap. Sent by the young naturalist Alfred Russel Wallace, it outlined a theory of evolution by natural selection eerily like Darwin's own. Wallace even cited the passage of Malthus that Darwin had cited in his notebook nearly 20 years before. Darwin was distraught: after all the years of work and worry, someone else would get the credit. He hated being scooped--and he hated himself for caring. But Darwin's friends, botanist Joseph Hooker and geologist Charles Lyell, sprang into action. They knew Darwin had written an essay containing those ideas nearly 15 years ago, so clearly he had developed the theory first. In a burst of energetic networking, Hooker and Lyell arranged a compromise: Wallace and Darwin would both have papers on the theory presented at the Linnean Society in London. Wallace was satisfied, and Darwin--finally--decided to get his theory into print without further delay. In little more than a year, he would publish his greatest book, On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection

      http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/darwin/work/last.php

    73. Re:P!=NP by c0d3g33k · · Score: 1

      Demonstrating a mastery of the language in civil discourse comes second only to bathing.

      If you can't spell or construct proper sentences, you won't get so much as the time of day from me, regardless of how potentially brilliant your ideas might be. Few will take your seriously, and if they do, well, that doesn't mean much, because they aren't very credible either.

      Failure to master even this rudimentary level of communication skill suggests your mastery of everything else is equally poor. If you are trying to promote your ideas in public discourse, you have to learn to express them well. Grammar and spelling are the basic building blocks of such expression. Either learn to communicate properly or go away.

    74. Re:P!=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm NOT the GP, but just a casual observer. I noticed that you don't have mastery of the English language (i.e. your grammatically incorrect use of the word "irony", and your ad hominem attacks and other logical fallacies when writing).

      You are not very intelligent, and yet you posture yourself as being intelligent. I've dealt with people like you before, and I realize that you are not intellectually capable of realizing that you are wrong. I feel sorry for you.

    75. Re:P!=NP by tenco · · Score: 1

      Albert Einstein's genius was thus not to postulate the constant speed of light in vacuum, (...) but the abolishment of the ether as medium for the light.

      That's the same, if you take into account the first postulate of relativity: all inertial frames of reference are equal. Einstein did not simply postulate that the speed of light in vacuum is constant but that this constant is the same in all inertial frames of reference.

    76. Re:P!=NP by tenco · · Score: 1

      I don't have an Einstein. It's considered rude...

      It really depends on your frame of reference.

      Unless it's inertial.

    77. Re:P!=NP by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Maybe Einstein fathered it in a crazy, drunken night of passion, but other people with completely different ideas raised and educated it (or put crazy ideas in its head, at least).

      Relativity was the legitimate child, QM the bastard.

  4. Likely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    He's discovered Wu Tang and Shaolin are one and the same.

  5. Hmmm... by Jimbob+The+Mighty · · Score: 5, Funny

    Probably that Duke Nukem Forever won't be running any dedicated servers...

    1. Re:Hmmm... by sharkey · · Score: 1

      No, no, it's that Dragon's Lair 3 is on;y available on the iPhone.

      Wait, Don Bluth? Knuth? he invented Flarp?

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    2. Re:Hmmm... by should_be_linear · · Score: 4, Funny

      My guess: Travelling Salesman died.

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    3. Re:Hmmm... by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      My guess: Travelling Salesman died.

      Nah, I think the Seven Bridges of Königsberg collapsed.

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    4. Re:Hmmm... by turkeyfish · · Score: 1

      Königsberg bridge problem was solve by Euler several centuries ago (there is NO solution). If the traveling salesman problem could be shown to be solvable in polynomial time that would be a very big deal, as it would imply that other similar problems are likewise solvable.

      Anyway, whatever Donald Knuth announces as important, is worth everyone's attention.

    5. Re:Hmmm... by alexborges · · Score: 3, Funny

      A terrorist atack on the Hanoi Towers?

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    6. Re:Hmmm... by boredsenseless · · Score: 1

      Or terrorists flew a plane into the Tower of Hanoi.

    7. Re:Hmmm... by Matrix14 · · Score: 1

      Yep. It was called World War II.

    8. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duke Nukem on the Commodore 64 :) enjoy c64web.com

  6. Isn't he already retired? by onionman · · Score: 1

    I thought Knuth was already retired... as in, I think he explicitly retired so that he would have time to finish the books!

  7. MMIX link fail! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Probably meant to link here.

  8. What I would do... by PmanAce · · Score: 5, Funny
    Step #1: Wait for him to prove and confirm P!=NP

    Step #2: Solve for N:

    So P!=NP,

    therefore P!/P=N,

    thus the Ps cancel and we are left with N=!.

    Step #3: ???

    Step #4: Profit!

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    1. Re:What I would do... by teh+moges · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't the result be (P-1)!=N ?

    2. Re:What I would do... by underqualified · · Score: 1

      but this is only true if N != 1

    3. Re:What I would do... by kabloom · · Score: 1

      Only works if the ! operator acts the same whether it's prepended to P or appended to P. (i.e. if P!=!P)

    4. Re:What I would do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After a half dozen light beer, I PNPNPNPNPNPNP...

    5. Re:What I would do... by JustOK · · Score: 1

      to quote the mime:

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    6. Re:What I would do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silly you, ! is the factorial operator. This means:

      P!/P = (P - 1)! = N

      Now, if someone finds a combination of P and N that doesn't satisfy this formula, we know that P!=NP is not true, which means P=NP, and all your crypto is broken.

    7. Re:What I would do... by ballpoint · · Score: 1

      No, you're doing it wrong: solving P!=NP for N gives N=(P-1)!

      I don't know what the value of Profit is, but if larger than 10, Profit! will be sizeable. So let's start working on Step #3.

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    8. Re:What I would do... by virgilp · · Score: 1

      You've got it all wrong. on step 2. Solving for N gives:
      P!=NP -> N=P!/P -> N = (P-1)!
      See? Simple. Now if I only know how to profit from this....

    9. Re:What I would do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Assume P!=NP (initial condition)

      P!=NP

      2. Divide both sides by P

      P!/P=N

      3. P! = P * (P-1) * (P-2) * ... * 1

      (P-1)!=N

      4. ???

    10. Re:What I would do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      P!=NP
      P!/P = N
      (P-1)! = N

    11. Re:What I would do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a slight flaw in step 2: P!/P=(P-1)!

      Otherwise it looks fine to me.

    12. Re:What I would do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That should say:

      Step #4: ProfitN

    13. Re:What I would do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No no no.

      P!/P = N
      =>
      (P-1)! = N

    14. Re:What I would do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      P!/P=N
      => (P-1)!=N

      Steps 1, 3, and 4 are the same, though.

    15. Re:What I would do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate to break it to you, but P!/P is (P-1)! and not 1

    16. Re:What I would do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      P!/P = N => (P-1)! = N

  9. I'll bet it's that by Xenophore · · Score: 5, Funny

    TeX has been adopted by W3 as the new HTML 6 standard.

    1. Re:I'll bet it's that by haystor · · Score: 5, Funny

      \begin{awesome}

      Awesome!

      \end{awesome}

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    2. Re:I'll bet it's that by lahvak · · Score: 3, Funny

      I believe that should be

      \setupawesome[extra awesome]

      \startawesome

      Awesome!

      \stopawesome

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    3. Re:I'll bet it's that by jordan_robot · · Score: 1

      You owe me a new keyboard.

    4. Re:I'll bet it's that by bickerdyke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about TeX stopping to use this unreadable syntax and moving to xml?

      As much as I like this whole "compile your text to different outputs"-thing and the results of TeX layout, the markup language is a PITA!

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    5. Re:I'll bet it's that by kikito · · Score: 2, Informative

      If we are moving away from unreadable, I'd suggest JSON or YAML, not xml.

    6. Re:I'll bet it's that by sco08y · · Score: 4, Informative

      What about TeX stopping to use this unreadable syntax and moving to xml?

      If TeX is unreadable, XML is unwritable and unreadable. At any rate, TeX itself is low-level, and when you use a package like LaTeX it becomes far more user-friendly.

    7. Re:I'll bet it's that by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      As far as readable languages go, you picked something that's actually far worse than TeX. I wouldn't really count XML as "human readable" -- I mean, back in the day I once played with a boot virus and changed it to load at 0xB800:0 so I could literally see its running code and variables, but neither that nor XML is what one would choose to read.

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    8. Re:I'll bet it's that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      As much as I like this whole "compile your text to different outputs"-thing and the results of TeX layout, the markup language is a PITA!

      <paragraph><facepalm>Of course, because XML<superscript>TM</superscript> is <font style="italicized">so</font> much <font color="red" style="boldface">better!</font></facepalm></paragraph>

    9. Re:I'll bet it's that by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      :-)

      Well.. at least XML is something thats equally easy or hard to read for humans and machines.

      But nice example, even if those font tags clearly are a sign of doing-it-wrong.

      And still <section>content<section> is a more consistent way to markup text than \section{content} or \begin{section} content \end{section}, \begin{section}(parameter) content \end{section} or - god beware - \strangemacro{}(that-takes-content-as-parameter)

      And don't get me started on the heap of escape characters! "as in a normal quote" needs to be escaped for not to be confused with "a --> ä! granted... "a is faster to type than &auml; but &mnemonic; or &codepoint; is again easier to remember than replacing a batch of special characters with a pile of special characters.

      Throw in a nice editor that wraps up the last lines in <p> automatically when you hit enter twice and handles an internal representation of ", ä et al. as entity while displaying the Umlaut, and I'd be happy.

      If only we could get a formating objects parser with the layout finesse of TeX... *sigh*

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    10. Re:I'll bet it's that by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      If TeX is unreadable, XML is unwritable and unreadable. At any rate, TeX itself is low-level, and when you use a package like LaTeX it becomes far more user-friendly.

      It rather raises the bar from unusable to barely usable

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    11. Re:I'll bet it's that by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      oh.. of course I forgot


      \startfoo
      content
      \stopfoo

      as yet ANOTHER method to mark text

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    12. Re:I'll bet it's that by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      No, it's not.

    13. Re:I'll bet it's that by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Oh.. this seems to be room 12A. I was looking for abuse, not an argument

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    14. Re:I'll bet it's that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can I ask you a serious question? What do you do for a living? Where did you go to school? LaTeX is the simplest thing I have to deal with all day. I wonder what kind of life someone leads to think these things are unusable? In short, are a you a fucking idiot?

    15. Re:I'll bet it's that by thogard · · Score: 1

      There is a proof in one of his articles about just how hard it is for a machine to parse xml and that article predates html by years.

    16. Re:I'll bet it's that by thogard · · Score: 1

      The impressive bit will be TeX and METAFONT have been ported directly to GPU code so it can render in real terms of hundreds of thousands of pages per second.

    17. Re:I'll bet it's that by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      And don't get me started on the heap of escape characters! "as in a normal quote" needs to be escaped for not to be confused with "a --> ä! granted... "a is faster to type than ä but or is again easier to remember than replacing a batch of special characters with a pile of special characters.
      This is probablly the thing that pisses me off most about tex, the inability to type normal english text in a natural manner because common characters have special meaning.

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    18. Re:I'll bet it's that by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't really count XML as "human readable"
      It really depends on the type of content (things like vector graphics are never going to be easy to read in a text form) how the particular xml subtype was designed and in the case of machine generation whether the generator bothers to format the output nicely.

      well formatted html or xhtml is IMO pretty good for human readability.

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    19. Re:I'll bet it's that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what you told your mommy just the other week when you did the big switch from shoelaces to Velcro. Go do your homework, don't forget to wash behind your ears, and make sure you have something to say before you say it. Don't piss in the neighbor's pool to vent your frustration at being unable to swim, dork genius.

    20. Re:I'll bet it's that by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      I found that rolling my own package was more user friendly than shoehorning into LaTeX.

    21. Re:I'll bet it's that by godrik · · Score: 1

      "And don't get me started on the heap of escape characters! "as in a normal quote" needs to be escaped for not to be confused with "a --> ä! granted... "a is faster to type than ä but or is again easier to remember than replacing a batch of special characters with a pile of special characters."

      I personally use utf-8 in my latex. Never had any problem with it.

    22. Re:I'll bet it's that by wonkavader · · Score: 1

      I've gotta say that I find LaTeX extremely productive, not hard to use, and certainly not unreadable. Yes, you could argue that Wysiwyg formatting is more intuitive, but LaTeX is wildly better at quickly producing a book or article in a consistent fashion. As far as readability goes, LaTeX markups in a document are not a big hindrance to readability in the doc, if what you're focused on is content, as opposed to messing around with margins and fonts.

      It's a compromise, but LaTeX is a big winner over Wysiwyg in many ways. Having struggled to produce a book using Wysiwyg methods, I found myself longing for LaTex or a similar system after the first month or so.

      If you're not thinking of Wysiwyg in contrast to LaTeX, and have some other markup system in mind when you say LaTeX is barely usable, please sing out.

    23. Re:I'll bet it's that by bickerdyke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I actually like how LaTeX is not WYSIWYG. Concentrating on content and then finally compile it into something ready for a professional Printshop, so I'm nor arguing on that or a general markup system.

      It may be a personal thing, but I prefer the clarity of XML. I already gave a few examples of the inconsistencies of TeX markup a few postings down.

      <foo> ALWAYS starts a block and </foo> ALWAYS ends one. And there is no other way to start a block, and no such thing as a lone opening tag. (just a way to abbreviate empty blocks)

      Special Characters ALWAYS start with & and you know you can read on until the ;

      LaTeX has fantastic results, mut the markup has no logic whatsoever!

      why is it \begin{document} and \begin{center}, but \section{title} and NOT \begin{section} ? So I not only have to remember the keywords, but also tons of stuff about their usage!

      And it is NOT easy to read for humans when half of the quotation marks actually start quotes, but the other half marks umlauts!

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    24. Re:I'll bet it's that by John+Whitley · · Score: 1

      [...] TeX itself is low-level, and when you use a package like LaTeX it becomes far more user-friendly.

      Let's not forget the glory that is the LyX editor:

      LyX is a document processor that encourages an approach to writing based on the structure of your documents (WYSIWYM) and not simply their appearance (WYSIWYG).

      LyX is delightful for those who want a nice cross-plaform GUI editor, structure in their documents, as well as strong control over presentation, but want structure rather than presentation foremost in their everyday editing experience.

    25. Re:I'll bet it's that by Zagadka · · Score: 1

      Does he have a time machine? How did he write an article about XML that predates HTML by years when HTML predates XML?

    26. Re:I'll bet it's that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you think that writing xml files is easier than tex? My guess is that you didn't wrote any of them by hand at least once....

    27. Re:I'll bet it's that by sco08y · · Score: 1

      I like LyX, but (unless this has changed in the last year or so) there's virtually no support for defining your own commands or environments. To me, that's the biggest draw of *TeX. I know it's not a simple feature to implement, and it's impressive what you can do with LyX without it, but coming from LaTeX it's a big step down.

    28. Re:I'll bet it's that by sco08y · · Score: 1

      It rather raises the bar from unusable to barely usable

      The real problem with LaTeX, IMHO, is the overabundance of misleading documentation scattered over the web, and the older packages that are buggy and terrible. 95% of problems I've had were due to using an old package or following some how-to that was outdated.

      If you get a full TeXlive install, only use the newest packages and spend time studying the outstanding documentation on CTAN, LaTeX becomes a whole lot easier.

    29. Re:I'll bet it's that by solarmist · · Score: 1

      What about TeX stopping to use this unreadable syntax and moving to xml?

      As much as I like this whole "compile your text to different outputs"-thing and the results of TeX layout, the markup language is a PITA!

      Mod this post up. He got it right!!!

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    30. Re:I'll bet it's that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its so obvious!

      \fbox{Gulf oil spill}

      What else do you think he was doing these past two months anyway?

    31. Re:I'll bet it's that by thogard · · Score: 1

      He talked about the style of parsing that is needed for XML. It turns out that it digresses into one of two worse case conditions, one uses infinite memory, the other infinite time.
      He still used something like it for TeX because it was interactive and could fail gracefully. Its one of the reason TeX has hard memory limits.

    32. Re:I'll bet it's that by lahvak · · Score: 1

      One thing I don't like about XML is that when you get to more "local" stuff, you still have to use the ... </tag> syntax. Where in LaTeX you would write \textbf{blablahblah}, in XML you have to do <textbf>blahblahblah</textbf>. At least for me the LaTeX way is more readable and easier to write. When you get down to details like math, MathML is just incredibly verbose compared to TeX. TeX syntax for math is messy and inconsistent but in general pretty fast to type, and not too hard to read. MathML is much easier to parse by a machine. For me, LaTeX has the right mixture of opening/closing tags on higher level, commands with parameters in the middle, and messy shortcuts on the low level. I completely agree about the \section, that's totally inconsistent. Of course, you actually can use

      \begin{section}{Title} ...
      \end{section}

      but nobody does it.

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  10. It's a TeX conference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So it probably TeX related. I don't see Knuth going off topic so much. Of course, the TeX engine is earth in that community, so who knows?

    1. Re:It's a TeX conference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He'll reveal he's really been dead for the past fifteen years.

    2. Re:It's a TeX conference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's hope it's that Latex has finally been taken out the back behind the shed and shot.

    3. Re:It's a TeX conference by fendragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You mean... someone's found a bug in it?

    4. Re:It's a TeX conference by frisket · · Score: 1
      Actually he's not that interested in TeX these days. Sure, he still undertakes maintenance periodically, but other things in CS, math and TAOCP are more important to him: TeX is simply a tool.

      Maybe the earth-shaking announcement is that he's using Word :-)

    5. Re:It's a TeX conference by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 1

      "So it probably TeX related."

      Agreed, it is probably TeX related. So, why on Earth would he use the term "Earth shattering"?! Knuth is not known to self contradictory.

    6. Re:It's a TeX conference by digitig · · Score: 1

      TeX is simply a tool.

      Wasn't that always his view? I thought he only wrote it because it was the only way to get TAoCP typeset.

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    7. Re:It's a TeX conference by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Maybe they're using it on seismometers now?

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    8. Re:It's a TeX conference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's a spinoff project, TeXtonic?

      (He does seem to be a fan of the pun, in general.)

    9. Re:It's a TeX conference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's to say that after 72 years, he finally got laid.

  11. TeX by pwnies · · Score: 5, Funny

    TeX 3.15 will get released. Subsequently, the universe will collapse.

    1. Re:TeX by FoolishOwl · · Score: 4, Funny

      In the new universe, trigonometry will be easier, and equations will always look good in print.

    2. Re:TeX by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      In the new universe, trigonometry will be easier, and equations will always look good in print.

      Will pi = 3?

    3. Re:TeX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      No. But you'll have e fingers on each hand.

    4. Re:TeX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only in the Bible. Maybe Knuth's rewritten Scripture... and typeset it with perfect hyphenation?

    5. Re:TeX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Will pi = 3?

      As an electrical engineer, you mean to tell me it isn't equal to three already?

        I always thought anything within 20% was good enough...

    6. Re:TeX by GumphMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      He will announce that during typesetting of the next TeX version number they discovered the digits repeating!

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    7. Re:TeX by terjeber · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is 3 - always has been, always will be. Anyone who says it isn't hasn't read his (obviously not hers since that gender should not read) Bible!

    8. Re:TeX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may have been modded funny by mistake.

    9. Re:TeX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TeX 3.15 will get released. Subsequently, the universe will collapse.

      I think it'll be TeX 3.1415927.........

    10. Re:TeX by eulernet · · Score: 1

      Or Tex 3.16 will be released in 2012, just before the end of the world.

    11. Re:TeX by marcello_dl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      PI is not 3, it is not 3.14, it is not 3.1415..... (for a finite number of digits) either.

      But somehow the Bible giving an integer approximation vs. an arbitrary fractional approximation is funny. Among the wealth of issues that can be discussed about the bible with the modern sensibility this seems the less problematic one to me.

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    12. Re:TeX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are four lights!

    13. Re:TeX by WillAdams · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, the Bible says that if one builds a bowl w/ a certain outside diameter and a certain wall thickness, the inside circumference will be such that pi is ~3.14:

      http://www.purplemath.com/modules/bibleval.htm

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    14. Re:TeX by phliar · · Score: 0

      TeX 3.15 will get released.

      You misunderstand TeX version numbering. It's 3, 3.1, 3.14, 3.141, ... you get the idea.

      I bet that's the announcement: that the last bug is fixed and TeX is at version \pi.

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    15. Re:TeX by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      TeX 3.15 will get released. Subsequently, the universe will collapse.

      Worse. TeX 22/7.

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    16. Re:TeX by KingOfTheMoon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I find that interesting. People take Bible passages out of context to try and support their beliefs all the time; athiests and preachers alike. In this case, the athiest says ZOMG!! I KNO MATHS THE BIBBLE SUXOR LOLOLOLZ!!

      If you do 30/pi and round to the unit, it's fine. If you read a little further the thickness is given and could account for the missing circumference quite well. If you're a numerologist, the passage is 1 Kings 7:23 and (23-1)/7 ~ 3.14. Or if you're a 2700-year old brass-casting jew, maybe it just makes sense.

      Or maybe the author was just trying to say it was a big frickin' bowl and not trying to give a math lesson.

    17. Re:TeX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a reason trig is hard. It's because we're doing it "wrong".

      If you're interested in an alternative, check out Wildberger's book and the obligatory Wikipedia link:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_trigonometry

    18. Re:TeX by Fished · · Score: 1

      Or maybe this was the ancient frickin' world, and they didn't have very good measuring tapes, and getting it right to one significant digit was considered "good enough"? Or maybe looking at the Bible for mathematics is just plain dumb? One thing that has always struck me (as someone with a Ph.D. in New Testament from a very good, secular school) is the way in which self-proclaimed "skeptics" and "fundamentalists" seem to agree on how the Bible ought to be interpreted. Then they just spend their time bickering about whether it's true or not. It seems to me that the real problem is that both of them are missing the boat, because they're not reading the Bible in anything resembling the way it would be read by someone from the ancient world. The whole "is PI equal to 3?" thing is just one example of this, and it's stupid.

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    19. Re:TeX by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      A person in either the ancient _or_ the modern world can follow the directions to build a bowl w/ accurate measurements --- a fellow art student at my alma mater did this.

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  12. Well...If its a TeX conference then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's probably something about a clever algorithm for continuously updating the layout of a TeX like document in WYSIWG style. LyX is a nice tool, but it would be very cool to have a crisp realtime document layout algorithm. One you have the capability to do that with TeX source code, then I can imagine we'll see much richer non-MS-Word editing environments.... hopefully written in pure javascript so I can have a real document editor on the iMaxi or ChromeOldS

    1. Re:Well...If its a TeX conference then... by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      Isn't the point of TeX that you worry about the content, NOT the layout ?

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    2. Re:Well...If its a TeX conference then... by digitig · · Score: 1

      Isn't the point of TeX that you worry about the content, NOT the layout ?

      No, TeX doesn't separate layout from content. And even using tools built on TeX that do make that separation, such as laTeX, you still have to worry about both (or get the worrying about one of them done for you). A [la]TeX document still needs to be laid out at some point, and getting the layout right is (at present) the hard part; help with that would be useful.

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    3. Re:Well...If its a TeX conference then... by samjam · · Score: 1

      With TeX it's too hard to worry about the layout, you just have to hope someone's written a style package for you. (And they usually have).

      TeX has no fixed syntax, and so it's hard for other tools to parse, making it a write-only format for structured editors like lyx (which do their best to import it).

  13. What I would do...is learn factorials again by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 1

    P! divided by P will not cancel out the P's. It would be actually give (P-1)!.

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    1. Re:What I would do...is learn factorials again by biryokumaru · · Score: 1

      I believe they originally meant P does not equal NP, not P factorial equals NP. You see, the joke is that Knuth posited an unproved theorem that P=NP when talking about scaling database management overhead. See this handy reference.

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    2. Re:What I would do...is learn factorials again by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 1

      I believe you missed the joke.

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    3. Re:What I would do...is learn factorials again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      best xkcd ever!

  14. Final TeX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TeX will be finalized and no more changes will be made to it.

    1. Re:Final TeX by Unordained · · Score: 2, Funny

      so ... you're saying Knuth finished calculating every digit of Pi?

    2. Re:Final TeX by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      He calculated all the digits of bleen in his head.

    3. Re:Final TeX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Since pi can be approached with arbitrary accuracy by the sum of a particular series of rational numbers, the "final digit" of pi would be the sum of the similarly "final digits" of all the repeating decimal values that are contained in the series. Assuming that every non-zero digit occurs with equal frequency in the repeating decimal portions of those rational numbers (this is unproven, but there is no particular reason to speculate it would not be true), considering only the "final" column of these rationals, since every digit occurs with equal frequency in the sum, the sum of those digits must end in either a "0" or a "5". Since a trailing "0" can be ignored, "0" cannot be the last digit - so the last digit must be "5".

    4. Re:Final TeX by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I did that once, it turns out that eventually you hit reruns. All those digits 0-9, it gets quite monotonous after a while.

    5. Re:Final TeX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have a valid license from PIAA for those reruns?

      No? Knew it --- just another Slashdot pirate!

    6. Re:Final TeX by Dylan16807 · · Score: 1

      Equal probability, equal when rounded, sure. Having the exact same occurrence of each digit is not something you can presume without a strong reason.

    7. Re:Final TeX by Chapter80 · · Score: 1

      so ... you're saying Knuth finished calculating every digit of Pi?

      duh. There are only ten of them.

      And I figured out a way to get it down to just two different digits. I'll release this information as an Earthshaking Announcement on Thursday, after this Knuth guy says his stuff.

    8. Re:Final TeX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Digits != algorisms. and it spells M-O-O-N for you it seems.
      Duh

  15. I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by mark-t · · Score: 1

    I mean sure, it's nice to have a proof and all, but P < NP is a fairly widely accepted notion that is already believed to be true even in absence of a full proof, so if a proof were to be forthcoming it would provide greatly desired closure to the open problem, make the discoverer of the proof rich and famous, but would not be likely to really change anything.

    Far more significant, IMO, would be the revelation and proof that P=NP.

    That said, my money's on the announcement being a new volume of TAoCP.

    1. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Far more significant, IMO, would be the revelation and proof that P=NP.

      I don't think so. It would also "provide greatly desired closure to the open problem, make the discoverer of the proof rich and famous, but would not be likely to really change anything."

      Nowadays, it is fairly widely accepted that solutions that are exponential in the worst case but very good in common cases are a better choice in practice than solutions that are gigantically polynomial in both worst and common cases.

    2. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by cupantae · · Score: 1

      The revelation that P!=NP is provable would be fairly damn significant. I mean, it would be a lot more significant than the things people are (mostly jokingly) suggesting about web standards and software and stuff like that.

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    3. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by mark-t · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A proof that P=NP would have much more potential to genuine change things simply because it would disprove a ubiquitous assumption: that P NP. Historically, when universally popular assumptions have been proven wrong, the resulting paradigm shift in the way people think about the matter produces some fascinating changes. P!=NP would give closure to an open problem but would not be so earth-changing because we already operate under the assumption that the premise is true.

    4. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The important thing here would not necessarily be that P!=NP, but instead the details of the proof. HOW you prove it is the big thing.

    5. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by amorsen · · Score: 1

      My personal hope is that P vs NP will turn out to require a new axiom, a bit like Euclid's fifth postulate. Reversing Euclid's fifth postulate lead to a new understanding of the universe. The same could happen with P=NP, at least within the realm of computing.

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    6. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A P!=NP proof could also prove that there are trap-door functions that absolutely require certain polynomial time to reverse. That would actually be a stronger proof of security than what we currently have.

    7. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      make the discoverer of the proof rich and famous

      And how, exactly, would one cash in on such fame? He's already a tenured professor, recipient of the Turing Award, a giant in his field (except to those developers who fancy themselves computer scientists, but don't actually know who he is) - he's not going to get rich for proving anything. The same goes for any grad student out there crazy enough to tackle complexity theory. They will get a fast-track to a tenured professorship, but that's about it. Face it, there's no money in the theory game.

    8. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean sure, it's nice to have a proof and all, but ______ is already believed to be true even in absence of a full proof

      Based on that statement, I'm pretty sure you're an engineer, to the point where proof of it would not really surprise me :P

    9. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, that would be my bet too. TAoCP has been on the go for a long time (started in 1962, first publications in 1968, 1969, 1973, and then another volume in February 2005 --only 32 years later--) with volume 5 expected in 2015, and since Knuth was born in 1938, he will only be 77 (he's only 72 now).

    10. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by chichilalescu · · Score: 1

      there are still people who try to build perpetual motion machines, so there will still be people trying to come up with fast algorithms for hard problems.
      and then there'll be quantum computers, and NP problems won't be hard anymore.

      hm. by now, I gotta go back to my perpetuum mobile.

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    11. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by drewhk · · Score: 1

      In fact this could happen if P=?NP turns out to be undecidable. All of the undecidable problems could be made decidable by adding a new axiom to the system (but of course, other undecidable problems will rise).

    12. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by ais523 · · Score: 1

      P=NP cannot be proved undecidable, unless the definition of an algorithm in the first place is vague enough to permit multiple interpetations. Proving it undecidable would mean that no P-time algorithm for solving a given NP-complete algorithm exists, because if a P-time algorithm for solving a given NP-complete algorithm did exist, it would give a proof of P=NP. But if you've proved that no P-time algorithm for solving a given NP-complete algorithm exists, you can use the definition of NP-completeness to show that P!=NP. Thus, proving P=NP undecidable would lead to a contradiction. I think it's possible for P=NP to be undecidable, but there to be no proof of the fact, though; it does seem to be rather unlikely, however.

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    13. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by drewhk · · Score: 1

      "undecidable would mean no P-time algorithm for solving a given NP-complete algorithm exists"

      No, undecidable would mean, that no P-time algorithm PROVABLY solving a given NP-complete algorithm exists. A subtle, but important difference.

    14. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by drewhk · · Score: 1

      Er, a small correction:

      No, undecidable would mean, that no PROVABLY P-time algorithm PROVABLY solving a given NP-complete algorithm exists. A subtle, but important difference.

      I could imagine an algorithm that provably solves an NP complete problem, but it is impossible to prove that it is in P. You cannot even decide by experimentation because being in P means that there is a k and n0 that c*n^k upper bounds the execution time, for all n >= n0. Now in practice, without theoretical guidance, it is impossible to derive n0 and c and k.

    15. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 things

      If someone proves P!=NP, not many people will be surprised about the fact BUT the proof mechanism can be very important/interesting by itself.

      If someone proves P=NP (the unexpected outcome), the consequences can be deep. It may well kill the public key cryptography field.

    16. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Exactly my point. Yes, doubtless the proof mechanism for showing P!=NP would be interesting and important, should it ever be discovered, but it doesn't have anywhere near the potential to be of revolutionary significance (not the least of which is how it would affect the field that you mentioned above) that a proof that P=NP would produce.

    17. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by mark-t · · Score: 1

      The Clay Mathematics Institute is awarding a million dollars for a definitive proof of P=NP or P!=NP. Google "millennium prize problems".

  16. I'm dreaming by godrik · · Score: 1

    Will he announce of a replacement for TeX ? Some language that would actually make sense and won't generate completely obscure error message ?

    Don't get me wrong, I love LaTeX (I know LaTeX is not TeX) and I am using it everyday. But everyday, I hope there will be a better tool (and no word is not an option, and no graphical wrapper around LaTeX are not really helpful as well).

    1. Re:I'm dreaming by the_womble · · Score: 1

      What is wrong with a graphical wrapper around latex (by which I assume you mean Lyx)? My only problem with it is that there is no easy way (easier than the LaTex way) of creating new document classes.

    2. Re:I'm dreaming by Jason+Earl · · Score: 1

      Have you tried ConTeXt?

    3. Re:I'm dreaming by hoover · · Score: 1

      If I remember correctly, GNU Emacs comes with a rather smart LaTeX mode that parses TeX error messages automagically and allows you to jump to an error's location. This is all from memory when I last used (La)TeX for my thesis a good 15 years ago or so.

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    4. Re:I'm dreaming by godrik · · Score: 1

      That's what I am using, but the error is never were tex/latex believe it is. It usually is somewhere in the last 2000 lines...

    5. Re:I'm dreaming by godrik · · Score: 1

      Most have the following problem:
      -using non standard document class is not possible/does not work.
      -user defined macro are difficult/impossible to use but are mandatory to keep coherent notations in large documents.
      -bad integration with higher level tool chain such as latex-make.

      You end up using only syntax highlighting which emacs/vim does very well already.

  17. In surprising move ... by vbraga · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... Knuth migrated to Word 2010.

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    1. Re:In surprising move ... by smoothnorman · · Score: 1

      Please someone with mod points change the parent from "Informative" (whaat?) to "funny" - because it is.

    2. Re:In surprising move ... by oatworm · · Score: 1

      Mods might be handing out "Insightful" mods for the karma boost. "Funny" is just a score with no long-term meaning.

    3. Re:In surprising move ... by smoothnorman · · Score: 1

      Well someone changed it to "Funny"; and thanks! to that someone. And it certainly has a long-term meaning to me in this context.

    4. Re:In surprising move ... by muckracer · · Score: 1

      > ... Knuth migrated to Word 2010.

      And then on the lower right corner Knuthy popped up: "It seems, you'd want to use TeX..."

    5. Re:In surprising move ... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      No, no. Knuth was hired by Office team to work on Word 201x!

    6. Re:In surprising move ... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I heard a rumor that he doesn't even read email. He has a secretary read it and print out the important ones, to which he replies.

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    7. Re:In surprising move ... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Mods might be handing out "Insightful" mods for the karma boost.

      I wish they'd stop and go back to modding correctly. That useless karma boost changes the tone of the post.

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    8. Re:In surprising move ... by am+2k · · Score: 1

      If someone with such a low UID (well, not really *that* low, but still that account has to be more than 10 years old) hasn't hit the karma cap yet, there's something seriously wrong.

    9. Re:In surprising move ... by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      mayorly off-topic here, but is there any way to check if you hit the cap?

      My karma is currently scored "excellent", and from what i gather from the FAQ, that is the highest qualifier, but i have no idea of the underlying numbers, and wether i am capped out, or merely hovering one peg above "good"

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    10. Re:In surprising move ... by am+2k · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not aware of any way. Back when karma was still written as a number, I knew mine, and just kept count after the switch to the unspecific words.

      If anyone is interested, the reason they switched was because people complained about the following scenario:

      • Karma is at 49.
      • Post something with score 1.
      • Posting gets modded up 4 times (=> score 5)
      • Karma is capped at 50, and remains there.
      • Posting gets modded down twice (=> score 3)
      • Karma gets reduced, is now at 48, lower than the initial score, even though the posting's score is still above the initial value.

      This most likely still happens, but you can't see it any more.

    11. Re:In surprising move ... by RackinFrackin · · Score: 1

      That's not just a rumor. Knuth explains it here.

    12. Re:In surprising move ... by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      Wow, the guy is a total Luddite. Surely any good email system is able to store the incoming mails for 3 months till he's ready to deal with them. It would also provide any filtering that a secretary might manage. He might even be able to enjoy cut and paste along with quoted replies. Looks like he's decided to hermit up (totally understand, do it myself) and dropped email as a straw man for wanting to slow and regulate communications flow.

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    13. Re:In surprising move ... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > It would also provide any filtering that a secretary might manage.

      You've clearly never seen an even marginally competent secretary at work.

      > He might even be able to enjoy cut and paste along with quoted replies.

      A person privileged with the services of a competent secretary doesn't need that.

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    14. Re:In surprising move ... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Really, you shouldn't bother, unless you're outright trolling and doing so regularly. I've had karma at excellent probably about a year after signing up (can't remember now, to be honest, I just recall it didn't take long), and it never went down from that, despite getting an occasional downmodding (and sometimes a bunch in a row).

    15. Re:In surprising move ... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      See! That was proper use of modding! Now crawl up the thread and get the other people who were off-topic, too! Unless you were using off-topic to say you disagree...

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    16. Re:In surprising move ... by Slime-dogg · · Score: 1

      If someone with such a low UID (well, not really *that* low, but still that account has to be more than 10 years old) hasn't hit the karma cap yet, there's something seriously wrong.

      It's strange to realize that this account is that old.

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    17. Re:In surprising move ... by lewiscr · · Score: 1

      I just don't care. You can't screw up a Karma near 50, even by making Pro-Microsoft posts.

    18. Re:In surprising move ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am tired of all the mindless worshiping for CS Luddites like Knuth or Dijkstra.

      They are(were) prominent mathematicians, so what? Some of those maths are applicable to programming.
      And? I often use other equally intelligent people's algorithms for my programs and you don't see me decapitating goats for them.

      BTW, TeX never was any better than TROFF and GOTO was never more harmful than people who teached about programming computers using chalk on a blackboard.

      TAOCP headquarters would be stormed by consumer protection bodies in Europe for misleading advertising.

      "Sorry sir, your fat books have less than 0.0001% of computers and 0.00452% of programming... Re-title them to TAO an we won't have to send you to The Hague"

  18. He's in the next Mac/iPhone commercials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or something big and dramatic. It wouldn't be anything as simple as retirement.

  19. Email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet he has finally broken down and finally got a real email address :P

    1. Re:Email by evilpenguin · · Score: 1

      God, I miss CompuServe...

      Or FIDOnet...

  20. I *KNOW* what the anouncement is..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A little birdie told me....He's going to replace Larry King!

  21. But he has a deal with the Laundry by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Funny

    He has a deal with the mysterious British agency known as the Laundry. He doesn't publish the fourth volume and they don't render him metabolically inactive. Don't any of you pay attention to what Charlie Stross has to say?

    1. Re:But he has a deal with the Laundry by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      He has a deal with the mysterious British agency known as the Laundry. He doesn't publish the fourth volume and they don't render him metabolically inactive. Don't any of you pay attention to what Charlie Stross has to say?

      By some bizarre coincidence I just read my first Laundry story yesterday and now I notice the Laundry mentioned here. I suddenly feel I've been dropped into some parallel timeline where Charlie Stross just popped into existance. Makes me wonder what disappeared to allow it to happen.

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    2. Re:But he has a deal with the Laundry by RDW · · Score: 1

      Just be thankful you're not in this timeline:

      http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/colderwar.htm

    3. Re:But he has a deal with the Laundry by lennier · · Score: 1

      Makes me wonder what disappeared to allow it to happen.

      Probably William Gibson's third Blue Ant novel.

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  22. That he is... by Yaa+101 · · Score: 3, Funny

    That he is a computer simulation fooling all of us for over 50 years...

    1. Re:That he is... by ChipMonk · · Score: 1

      Running on an MMIX CPU?

    2. Re:That he is... by grcumb · · Score: 1

      That he is a computer simulation fooling all of us for over 50 years...

      But how could we know for sure?

      Even if he proves it, it doesn't mean it actually worked....

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    3. Re:That he is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect he's finally figured out how to KEEP those damn neighborhood kids off of his lawn.

    4. Re:That he is... by jordan_robot · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That he is a computer simulation fooling all of us for over 50 years...

      I think you mean that we're all a computer simulation he has been running for over 50 years...

    5. Re:That he is... by scdeimos · · Score: 1

      that or an Asgaard.

    6. Re:That he is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Running on an MMIX CPU.

    7. Re:That he is... by Vectormatic · · Score: 2, Funny

      or perhaps WE are a computer simulation fooling him for over 50 years, but he finally figured it out...

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    8. Re:That he is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      50 years for us - It's only been two weeks from his POV.

    9. Re:That he is... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      I think you mean that we're all a computer simulation he has been running for over 50 years...

      After Chuck Norris round-house kicked a Univac?

    10. Re:That he is... by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      That he is a computer simulation fooling all of us for over 50 years...

      I think you mean that we're all a computer simulation he has been running for over 50 years...

      I think you mean that we're all a computer simulation he has been running for almost 10 million years...

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  23. could it be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a play on words...the "Earthshaking" part?...for someone so precise it seems unlikely that the choice of words is coincidental...

  24. Earthshaking at TUG 2010? by coaxial · · Score: 2, Funny

    TeX version 4.0 .

    1. Re:Earthshaking at TUG 2010? by zill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know he's the authority on algorithms but I doubt he can change one of the most fundamental constant in mathematics.

    2. Re:Earthshaking at TUG 2010? by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 1

      The version of TeX?

    3. Re:Earthshaking at TUG 2010? by zill · · Score: 1
      From wikipedia:

      Since version 3, TeX has used an idiosyncratic version numbering system, where updates have been indicated by adding an extra digit at the end of the decimal, so that the version number asymptotically approaches pi.

  25. It'll be a update to the Potrzebie System by qwerty+shrdlu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potrzebie

  26. Earthshaking! Of course! by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

    That's it! You've figured it out! He's discovered a graboid in his basement!

  27. or just by Kohath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    drink a beer, relax, and wait until tomorrow for the announcement. Which is sure to be disappointing now.

    I predict he announces that computer programming is best practiced as a semi-automated assembly-line-style set of interchangeable tasks rather than an "art". He'll say that programming as an "art" is anachronistic. inefficient, and impractical, and that the conventional approach and the people who promote it have been holding back progress in software creation because a faster, cheaper, more modern, dumbed-down approach doesn't appeal to them professionally or aesthetically.

    And then he'll announce his new software construction method that can be done by ordinary people with a short period of training for 1/5th what computer programmers make. It works great, but it's boring and repetitive and never creative. It delivers software in a predictable amount of time with a predictable budget and reasonable (also predictable) quality. And the development costs less than half of conventional approaches.

    That's my prediction.

    1. Re:or just by religious+freak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I appreciate the soothsaying, but I think I speak for most on /. when I say I hope you're wrong!! (even though you are right about (most) software development)

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    2. Re:or just by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, COBOL is at *least* ten years old. Certainly not worth of a "breathtaking" announcement.

    3. Re:or just by Angst+Badger · · Score: 1

      And then he'll announce his new software construction method that can be done by ordinary people with a short period of training for 1/5th what computer programmers make. It works great, but it's boring and repetitive and never creative. It delivers software in a predictable amount of time with a predictable budget and reasonable (also predictable) quality. And the development costs less than half of conventional approaches.

      What, you mean Knuth works where I do?

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    4. Re:or just by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that can be applied to programming, that can then trivially be applied to math. Obviously that's not true since both really involve creative problem solving (for instance there's a post on slashdot about scaling to millions of cores).

      Day-to-day "boring" software has actually already become that, & that's why it's uninspiring & mundane.

      To do something truly innovative, it'll never actually get to that point (in that there will always be some amount of work that will require true talent & creativity).

    5. Re:or just by skornenicholas · · Score: 1

      Actually you may be on the right path here, even though I hope you are completely off track. The problem is that I like to get paid a decent salary to play with computers and mainframes, your prediction, should it come to pass, would be a serious impediment to quite a few people. You should retract this post; I have already dug enough holes outside Terlingua, Texas that it is becoming increasingly difficult to explain tax write-offs for thousands of dollars worth of shovels.

    6. Re:or just by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, wouldn't that be... Cool? Wouldn't we be all better if programming ceased to be something fancy and just became another industrial process? Maybe we could finally use our creativity for something that really matters?

    7. Re:or just by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, for the easy problems.

      You are working on hard problems, aren't you?

    8. Re:or just by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      when I say I hope you're wrong

      Miscrosoft has been in the camp to try to simplify programming for years to make it more accessible. They have been failing miserably, getting stuck in often dead ends and each "developer congress" they announce their new approaches, idea's, trends, ... and each year I think "yes, I can see where this need was and why the implemented this approach or feature", yet when you try to use much of it, it's like all other software.

      They have been doing this for years, still fail (while making progress) and maybe cashing in on the "education/certification industry" around it (see, people need to know as well how to do all these nifte tricks someone thought up and implemented, and how they were implemented), trickle feeding that as well, ok.

      But my point being; Microsoft has a incredible batch of programmers and theorists working for them (you cannot disregard those geeks) and they are focussed on "making development easier" (because it means more tie-in for endusers, right?) but they cannot do it in the way described above, while throwing resources and cash at it pretty high priority.

      So will this one guy tackle all those problems piles of bright people have applied themselves to? no.

      --
      I think we can keep recursing like this until someone returns 1
    9. Re:or just by religious+freak · · Score: 1

      Well, for clarity, I wasn't really commenting on what Knuth was going to say.. I have no idea. I kind of used that as a springboard to make a comment on the nature of GP's prediction.

      In terms of the question at hand though, I don't know if we ever said anything about *easy* - we said assembly line and cheap (read: the infamous Indian "code factories"). And, unfortunately, I think this is the case for the majority of programming nowadays. This is due in part to MS, but also Sun and just raw processing power. Time to go architect-y, insanely advanced, embedded, or switch careers, IMO. In 5-10 years Java programmers will not be hot commodities. I could be wrong, but it's just the way I see things casting a cold analysis on the subject.

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      If you can read this... 01110101 01110010 00100000 01100001 00100000 01100111 01100101 01100101 01101011
    10. Re:or just by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 1

      (read: the infamous Indian "code factories"). And, unfortunately, I think this is the case for the majority of programming nowadays.

      I really do agree with this, and also sense there's something fundamentally wrong with the way we "do software", and in general things are being overcomplicated by various reasons.

      At one hand you have the developers who at one hand want to write idealistic pragmatic and beautiful code which gives them a sense of creation or just curiousity how something works (bringing them to long isolated moments playing with their computer in the firstp lace). To come to this creation, they often plunge into an unknown after which they come to a conclusion. If the analysis or idea was good, there was enough experience or insight it might be a working conclusion.

      On the other hand you have people wanting to streamline the process and find ways to "do software better and faster", as you have a wide spectrum or breeds of programmers and they want to create a generic solution to make projections towards clients and budget.

      Combine the two, and you start off with a driven dev and his philosophies on technology, programming and a desire to create their utopian software, while on the way encountering obstacles (like pressure or your employer not sharing your vision, or you running down lists of requirements). It's a bit depending on the dev how he copes with it: many go into a "slaving" mode and lose a bit of their early motivation and drive as each project takes a pretty deep mental effort and engagement: if it's an "easy project", often it's not interesting enough. depending on personalities, you might end up with very sloppy work because it's not "empowering" or doesn't fit or people "zoning out" because they are low energy, get too many interuptions, have trouble "get into the flow again", and so on.

      I think the luxury of this freedom of a dev "good results require some freedom and compensation for me to engage as deeply into this" has pushed to find a more predictable source of software, like these coding factories or sqeezing through alot of motivated and high energie juniors with grand expectations with mediors or seniors trying to channel this.

      Yet I see a tendency to step away from it, as the code is maybe fast and quick, it's hard to communicate and often the quality is a bit of a letdown. (this isn't my perception alone, I've worked with Bangalore and it's been challenging to get things done.) Maybe also because alot of code is a personal expression and interpretation towards a solution and everybody has their own style of expressing a solution.

      The "scrum", "agile", "extreme", ... guru's and workshops are for me an expression of the need for a change or some way to "do software right", yet the plentyfulness of all of this just screams: "it's a bit looking for what kindof works as there isn't a real metric to determine the things we want to predict in the development process".

      At the base of these "personality factors", seems that software is just a mess and there are as many implementations and intermediate solutions as there are developers who are often pushed to "just make it work".

      --
      I think we can keep recursing like this until someone returns 1
    11. Re:or just by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      So, you predict that he'll show us a strong AI! I'd never expect something so groundbreaking.

    12. Re:or just by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a predictable prediction.

  28. About the check fraud in his awards. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What exactly was the nature of the fraud? What did they do that made him have to stop sending real checks?

    1. Re:About the check fraud in his awards. by caerwyn · · Score: 1

      People would scan and post their checks online for bragging rights. Unscrupulous individuals would then grab those images and use the routing/account numbers from them to steal money from Knuth.

      He'll still send you the money if you really want it, but mostly he sends out fakes now to avoid that sort of problem. Since most people really just wanted the bragging rights anyway, it's not a big deal.

      --
      The ringing of the division bell has begun... -PF
  29. Earthshaking? by Arancaytar · · Score: 4, Funny

    If the boobs didn't do it, a mathematical proof won't either. :P

    1. Re:Earthshaking? by chill · · Score: 1

      Rigor is one of the foundation of science. We need to repeat that boobs experiment another few hundred thousand times to get proper data points before we declare it a success or failure. To be thorough, we need a proper range of sizes and colors, properly logged and categorized.

      Hmmm...I wonder if I could squeeze a thesis out of this?

      --
      Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
    2. Re:Earthshaking? by godrik · · Score: 1

      Let E be an earthquake.
      *fear*

    3. Re:Earthshaking? by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      squeeze

      Hur hur.

  30. MMIX? MMX? by retchdog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I get the sense that this is a tongue-in-cheek announcement? It's 2010, so maybe it'll be the MMX machine?

    Let's see. Wednesday: July 7, 2010 = 7-7-7DA. 20th anniversary of TeX. Hmm. I can't figure it out, but I'd put my money on an elegant technical curiosity which doubles as elaborate pun and extended joke, kind of like MMIX.

    --
    "They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
    1. Re:MMIX? MMX? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:MMIX? MMX? by hey · · Score: 1

      That page says:

      All of the MIX programs in Volumes 1--3 will need to be rewritten in MMIX, before I finish the ``ultimate'' edition of those volumes that I plan to write after Volume 5 is completed. The current target date for the ultimate volumes is the year 2011

      So maybe he's done early - like tomorrow.

    3. Re:MMIX? MMX? by Byzantine · · Score: 1

      Er, it's the 32nd anniversary of TeX. Or as http://tug.org/tug2010 says, the 2^5 anniversary.

    4. Re:MMIX? MMX? by retchdog · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's the 20th anniversary in the year 7DA. :)

      --
      "They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
    5. Re:MMIX? MMX? by Byzantine · · Score: 1

      One day, I will learn how to read for content and not skim through, I promise! :)

  31. No, no, no . . . by DowdyGoat · · Score: 5, Funny

    He's obviously figured out an algorithm to predict earthquakes, and he's determined that one will happen during or just after his presentation! And, of course, he'll announce it.

    You need to think more literally!

    1. Re:No, no, no . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, he's figured out how to cause earthquakes by making announcements.

      Earthshaking announcement indeed.

  32. <--- Flamewar starts here by SpazmodeusG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Knuth doesn't stand out amongst his peers in his field as much as those examples you've mentioned. Peers such as Turing, Shannon, Dijkstra, Boole, Babbage, von Neumann, Hopper... (etc.) are all more important
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_scientists

    (disclaimer: i knew who Knuth was but i'm just not bothered by those that don't when there are so many prominent computer scientists)

  33. The Earthshaking Announcement by craighansen · · Score: 1

    42. [99] Complete The_Art_of_Computer_Programming.

  34. Earth shaking hmm??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly he's become a super villain and invented an earthquake machine as part of some evil plot.

  35. Typical Slashdotter - Failed at math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Albert Einstein was born 14 March 1879. In 1905 he published his famous four papers. The equations of general relativity were published in October 1915.

  36. The announcement by kaoshin · · Score: 5, Funny

    My name is Donald Knuth. And if you study with my 8 week program, you will learn a system of self defense that I developed over two seasons of fighting in the octagon! Its called Don Kwan Do!

  37. "Earthshaking" by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

    Obviously he's developed a doomsday device, which he will use to hold the world for ransom (and presumably use to make sure ACTA doesn't get through).

    1. Re:"Earthshaking" by nschubach · · Score: 1

      Great... now I imagine him as Professor Farnsworth.

      --
      Every time I start to have faith in humanity, I ruin it by driving to work between 7 and 8 am.
  38. It's highly unlikely to be P!=NP... by Shaterri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So far as I know, Knuth has done essentially zero work related to the P/NP question; a lot of algorithmics and tons of fantastic work in combinatorics, but I can't think of a single significant result he's contributed to complexity theory. While it's not impossible that he could have some sort of 'outsider breakthrough', it seems almost infinitesimally unlikely given the mathematical context and techniques that have had to be developed for similar complexity problems. My money would be on either a formal open-sourcing of the TeX codebase or the development of a full HTML5 rendering engine for TeX along the lines of the system that mathoverflow.net uses.

    1. Re:It's highly unlikely to be P!=NP... by glwtta · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's highly unlikely to be P!=NP

      Ok, what about P=NP, then?

      --
      sic transit gloria mundi
    2. Re:It's highly unlikely to be P!=NP... by philipmather · · Score: 0

      > So far as I know, Knuth has done essentially zero work related to the P/NP question

      You're saying he has us exactly where he wants us then?

      --
      Regards, Phil
  39. The irony will be... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 5, Funny

    He proves P != NP.

    Due to limitations with TeX can't be bothered to fit it into the margins

    --
    Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
    1. Re:The irony will be... by gknoy · · Score: 1

      "limitations of TeX"? That's un-possible! :)

    2. Re:The irony will be... by geschild · · Score: 1

      "He proves P != NP.

      Due to limitations with TeX can't be bothered to fit it into the margins"

      It doesn't matter. He did it by extending C-x M-c M-butterfly to include quantum-effects. As a result, all solutions will, by definition, be out-of-bounds.

      --
      Karma? What's that again?
    3. Re:The irony will be... by locofungus · · Score: 1

      No.

      I think it's question 3 in the introduction to Volume 1.

      "Prove that there are no integer solutions to x^n+y^n=z^n for n>=3".

      When I first read Knuth, this was an M50 problem.

      It's now been relegated to an M45 problem. (Think that's right - I don't have my copy in front of me)

      For the next edition he's going to make it an M3 problem.

      Tim.

      --
      God said, "div D = rho, div B = 0, curl E = -@B/@t, curl H = J + @D/@t," and there was light.
    4. Re:The irony will be... by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      My bet is that he proves P!=NP just in order to prove that TeX handles margins correctly.

      --
      The Wise adapts himself to the world. The Fool adapts the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the Fool.
    5. Re:The irony will be... by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Isn't that solved by now?

      And isn't there a quite entertaining book by Simon Singh about it?

      --
      bickerdyke
    6. Re:The irony will be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think Knuth uses Emacs? Heresy!

    7. Re:The irony will be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

      I think it's question 3 in the introduction to Volume 1.

      "Prove that there are no integer solutions to x^n+y^n=z^n for n>=3".

      Let x=z, y=0. There, infinitely many solutions.

    8. Re:The irony will be... by locofungus · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's solved. That's why the problem got "demoted" to an M45 problem.

      An M3 problem would be a mathematical problem you should be able to solve in your head without much thought.

      Tim.

      --
      God said, "div D = rho, div B = 0, curl E = -@B/@t, curl H = J + @D/@t," and there was light.
    9. Re:The irony will be... by 1729 · · Score: 1

      You think Knuth uses Emacs? Heresy!

      From http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/programs.html:

      "The emacs-oriented desktop layouts I use on my home computer to write books..."

  40. He's Gay by Bitmanhome · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Amazing" Randi helped him find out.

    --
    Not that this wasn't entirely predictable.
  41. Mirrors I say! by guygo · · Score: 1

    It's all done with mirrors!

  42. Link messed up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your link to MMIX doesn't work...it doesn't have an http:// prefix, so it just sends you to a slashdot path.

    You know, just in case that might be important. I know, it's too much to ask for editors to read articles OR click links...but hey...

  43. Proving P!=NP ?? by mysidia · · Score: 1

    That's kind of presumptuous don't you think?

    Especially when P=NP :-)

  44. Retraction of premature optimization quote? by Mike610544 · · Score: 1

    I bet I'm not alone on this one. Some jackass writes a O(n^3) solution to a O(log n) problem and when I question it, the guy quotes Knuth.

    --
    ... also, I can kill you with my brain.
    1. Re:Retraction of premature optimization quote? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Quoting Knuth in such circumstances is not an indulgence. After all, the whole point of that quote is that you have to know when it's no longer premature to optimize, not that you never optimize.

    2. Re:Retraction of premature optimization quote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if the "jackass" instead of making blind assumptions, like you do, profiled his code and determined that the O(n^3) was faster because n was small and that algorithm has a lower constant coefficient, or because of the data set used, or how the data was accessed, or the data was large and the first moved data less, etc.?

  45. Earthshaking by Megahard · · Score: 1

    Looks like most people have missed the connection - the announcement is at the TUG in San Francisco.

    Maybe he has discovered an algorithm to predict earthquakes. The next big one to hit in SF at 5:32 Wednesday.

    --
    I eat only the real part of complex carbohydrates.
    1. Re:Earthshaking by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Maybe he has discovered an algorithm to predict earthquakes. The next big one to hit in SF at 5:32 Wednesday.

      AM or PM?

  46. /. servers are bouncing!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And my entire world along with it! ARRRRRG!!

  47. Knuth Alpha by cryptoluddite · · Score: 1

    That God exists and he's Rule 110.

    1. Re:Knuth Alpha by drewhk · · Score: 1

      I hope it is, Rule 30 would be a nasty surprise.

  48. Could it be LaTeX 3.0 finally released? by BanachSpaceCadet · · Score: 1

    No, that won't happen until Zeno moves.

  49. Keeping up with times! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Funny

    A new edition of TAoCP will be announced, with all code snippets rewritten in JavaScript.

  50. John Carmack by The+Altruist · · Score: 1

    He was on the team that worked on Doom. And all the other id games. There's also Mike Abrash. That dude's a frickin' genius. But, back to Carmack, if game engine designers ever appointed a patron saint, it would be him. Works on space projects now. Very cool.

    1. Re:John Carmack by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Works on space projects and still designs game engines.

      He also married one of the world's most awesome women, Anna Kang. On their honeymoon, she let a pair of computers be set up in the hotel room so that he could program when the mood struck him. No woman I know would allow such a thing to happen.

      --
      You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
    2. Re:John Carmack by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Carmack and Sid are just as important. For many years, Carmack was laying the groundwork for the advancement of game engines, while Sid was innovating interfaces and unique gameplay methods. I think both have slipped in current importance somewhat, but neither is laying slack.

      --
      You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
    3. Re:John Carmack by frisket · · Score: 1
      > No woman I know would allow such a thing to happen.

      You obviously move in the wrong circles :-)

    4. Re:John Carmack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Works on space projects and still designs game engines.

      He also married one of the world's most awesome women, Anna Kang. On their honeymoon, she let a pair of computers be set up in the hotel room so that he could program when the mood struck him. No woman I know would allow such a thing to happen.

      why two?

    5. Re:John Carmack by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 1

      No woman I know would allow such a thing to happen.

      You obviously move in the wrong circles :-)

      I worked for advertizing agencies: those type of women would not allow it.

      I've worked on communication departments: those type of women would not allow it.

      I've worked for design and fashion companies: those type of women would not allow it.

      Now I'm working on a IT-department: those type of women would encourage it, but I do not want those women for other reasons.

      --
      I think we can keep recursing like this until someone returns 1
    6. Re:John Carmack by Jurily · · Score: 1

      No woman I know would allow such a thing to happen.

      Of course not. "Why don't you just use your laptop?"

      Anyway, I don't understand this. If fun == sex + coding, and honeymoon == fun, why not? I don't know about you guys, but I'm not marrying anyone who either can't figure out that I like computers, or doesn't want me to be completely happy with her.

    7. Re:John Carmack by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Now I'm working on a IT-department: those type of women would encourage it, but I do not want those women for other reasons.

      ..because they are all pre-op?

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    8. Re:John Carmack by stiller · · Score: 1

      Looking at them both I had not expected any other mood to strike him. *DUCKS*
      Seriously though, it's a nice gesture, but working on your honeymoon is pretty sad.

    9. Re:John Carmack by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      Indeed. While Carmack did so much to improve the quality of game engines he did absolutely nothing to improve gameplay. In Castle Wolfenstein we play the role of a gun toting hero who moves about levels picking up ammo, shooting monsters who can all be defeated by use of either a strafe, or corner LoS, and grabbing health packs.

      By the time Quake III was released we found ourselves in darkened corridors, picking up ammo and health packs, shooting monsters that came in groups of 1-3 and could be defeated by strafing or use of a corner to LoS.

      It looked better but was essentially exactly the same crap he'd been handing out for over a decade.

      --
      All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
    10. Re:John Carmack by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      >> No woman I know would allow such a thing to happen.
      >>
      > You obviously move in the wrong circles :-)

      You forget this is slashdot. His statement is technically true.

      --
      (-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
    11. Re:John Carmack by Gnavpot · · Score: 1

      He also married one of the world's most awesome women, Anna Kang. On their honeymoon, she let a pair of computers be set up in the hotel room so that he could program when the mood struck him. No woman I know would allow such a thing to happen.

      why two?

      When you have female company it may actually be possible to have both hands free for using one or more computers.

    12. Re:John Carmack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And just what quality, non-crap games have you published, and how many of those have made a lot of money? Thought so.

    13. Re:John Carmack by ChipMonk · · Score: 1

      You're assuming it's "work." Being paid for it doesn't automatically turn it into "work."

    14. Re:John Carmack by c0d3g33k · · Score: 1

      why two?

      Sheesh, dude. The other one was for Anna.

  51. You're all wrong! by macraig · · Score: 1

    Nope, he'll announce that he's Locutus of Borg, that he's infected our global Internet with an assimilation virus that activates NOW, and that resistance is futile!

  52. Fascicles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One's fascicles really start to hurt after one has been holding a fake smile for too long. Fascicles invariably melt and stain your shirt before you can eat them. In a limestone cave, it is impossible to remember the difference between a fascicle and that other thing, which either descends from the ceiling or ascends from the floor, or vice versa. In the springtime, people are sometimes killed by giant falling fascicles when they walk too close to the side of the barn. Woe unto all of us if the Fascicles come to power after this election. I have spent what my wife believes is an unhealthy amount of time looking at sites on the Internet that are dedicated to the fetish of getting kicked in the fascicles.

    I'm sorry, but I cannot take the word "fascicle" seriously. Perhaps if I had ever heard it used anywhere else and in any other context, I could, but I haven't, and I can't.

  53. My guess... by AffidavitDonda · · Score: 1

    If it's to be really earthshaking: COBOL isn't that bad...

  54. Re:What's the frequency/ by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    They're most likely Indians and they thought it was how you spell "Kenneth".

    --
    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  55. He's going to grow a beard like everyone else! by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Funny
    This is what he looks like:
    http://www.codethinked.com/image.axd?picture=WindowsLiveWriter/TheProgrammerDressCode_10D17/knuth_don_2f874343-5a7b-4b33-823a-b18a84849447.jpg

    Now compare him with everyone else - they've all got face hair:
    http://www.codethinked.com/post/2007/12/06/The-Programmer-Dress-Code.aspx Edsger Dijkstra (come on ...), Alan Kay (oop), Bjarne Stroustrup (c++), Brian Kernighan (unix, c), Dennis Ritchie (c), Ken Thompson (unix), John McCarthy (lisp), Richard Stallman (gnu), Steve Wozniak (apple), Larry Wall (perl), Alan Cox (linux kernel), James Gosling (java), Grady Booch (uml), "Maddog" Jon Hall (linux intl), Manuel Blum (cryptography), Robin Milner (ml), Philip Wadler (haskell, xquery), Jaron Lanier (virtual reality), Niklaus Wirth (Euler, Algol W, Pascal, Modula, Modula-2, Oberon), C.A.R. Hoare (quicksort), Robert Tarjan (splay trees), Dan Bricklin (visicalc), Phil Katz (pkzip), Jon Postel (rfc), Larry Ellson (oracle).

    1. Re:He's going to grow a beard like everyone else! by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Knuth AKA Mr. Nicholas Flannel will make an announcement and it will be on a Wednesday.

  56. John Carmack by pjt33 · · Score: 1, Troll

    A game developer who has never heard of John Carmack.

    I didn't hear of Carmack until I'd been working in game development for a couple of years - and even then I heard about him in a /. discussion. There's more to games than FPSes. IMO Sid Meier would be a better example in the field of game development.

  57. Perhaps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps he's gay?

  58. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by glwtta · · Score: 3, Informative

    Peers such as Turing, Shannon, Dijkstra, Boole, Babbage, von Neumann, Hopper... (etc.) are all more important

    Well yeah, if those are his peers, he does stand out from the rest of that Wikipedia list. And he definitely belongs on that short list, obviously after Turing and Church - and after Euler, Shannon, Boole, etc - around the same level of recognition as Dijkstra, I would say.

    --
    sic transit gloria mundi
  59. Laughing all the way to the bank by PMBjornerud · · Score: 1

    And then he'll announce his new software construction method that can be done by ordinary people with a short period of training for 1/5th what computer programmers make. It works great, but it's boring and repetitive and never creative.

    Great! This means we'll be able to write a beautiful piece of software that automates the new software construction method!

    (...which is obviously the point of the parent. Are people not even the comments any more, just skimming the first few sentences?)

    --
    I lost my sig.
    1. Re:Laughing all the way to the bank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you're right. That was a fairly subtle joke, if it was one. He really sounded to me like someone who lamented being on some crappy Java middleware project.

    2. Re:Laughing all the way to the bank by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Maybe. Or maybe it will be like transcribing audio tapes or OCR or other, similar things that software can't really do well enough to automate completely.

  60. He finally found... by carlzum · · Score: 1

    the first CS student that claims he read The Art of Computer Programming Vol. 1-3 and isn't lying.

    1. Re:He finally found... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      the first CS student that claims he understood The Art of Computer Programming Vol. 1-3 and isn't lying.

      Fixed that for you.

  61. Oh, God, please, no... by bitbucketeer · · Score: 1

    I really think I've had my fill of Frankie MacDonald and his California earthquake predictions on YouTube.

  62. So.. by aneumeier · · Score: 1

    ..what is it?

  63. I've got knuthing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to say about this subject.

  64. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by kenshin33 · · Score: 1

    Mmm, Claud Shannon was an electrical eng to my knowledge and he was the one to lay down the foundation of Information theory (to my knowledge) is that concidered computer science?? IMHO computer science is built on top of that (like medecical science is built on top of biology)

  65. Hold on... by Roy+van+Rijn · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's a conference for TeX? That's an earth shattering thought on its own!

  66. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Hopper?!?!

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  67. at TeX's 32nd...... by RationalRoot · · Score: 1

    Hey guess what, the announcement is at the TeX's 32nd Anniversary Celebration.

    You know the Tex User Group thing.

    So hands up who thinks it's likely to be related to Tex ?

    So to mix my Math I suggest that
          P(Announcement(P!=NP)) ~ 0
          P(Announcement(P==NP)) ~ 0
          P(Announcement(Related to TeX)) > .5

    Have we enough Ps NPs and Not reallys Ps going on here ?

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  68. The announcement will be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that he saved 15% on his auto insurance by switching to a well-known company -- so simple, even a LaTeX user could do it.

    And, after staying at a nationally-known hotel chain, he will be taking over for Larry King on CNN despite having no television-hosting skills.

  69. Spoiler warning by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    He's really a she, but nobody would have taken a woman seriously in Computer science in the 60s.

  70. Matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know what it is!

    Knuth has found a way out of the Matrix that we all live in.

    (I think it's a program that is so complex that reality breaks down...leaving a crack in the universe that we can crawl through.... or, maybe I've been watching too much Dr Who...)

  71. really earthshaking by someoneOtherThanMe · · Score: 1

    The lower serif on the letter 'r' will be reduced by 2 %, despite him once saying "These fonts will never change again".

  72. Time around the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  73. It is a TEX forum by e70838 · · Score: 1

    Knuth has already expressed interest in unicode. I think he will announce that Tex/Latex will fully rely on unicode and will completely leave out all the old mess of \alpha and so on that used to make tex code difficult to read. Some tool will help translating from old tex to new tex.

    1. Re:It is a TEX forum by CRCulver · · Score: 2, Informative

      XeTeX has already been around for a while now and typesets all the Unicode you want painlessly.

    2. Re:It is a TEX forum by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      Will Robertson made a brilliant presentation on doing that which works w/ xetex and luatex

      http://www.tug.org/tug2010/abstracts/robertson.txt

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  74. It's a new book by xiox · · Score: 5, Funny
  75. earthshaking announcement by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    earthshaking announcement

    It's Knuth, so I am bolting everything down. If the guy says that the earth will be shaking, I am taking it literally.

  76. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would that be TeXML?

  77. Somebody build a MMIX cpu by e70838 · · Score: 1

    and it appears to be very very fast!

    This is probably a wrong guess, because it is not Tex related :-(

  78. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's Claude, you insensitive claud.

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  79. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want a priority list, it should be Euler, Boole, Turing, Church, Babbage, Von Neumann, Dijkstra + Knuth + Hopper

  80. Earthshaking by Krahar · · Score: 1

    Earthshaking? This is obviously a plot by Dr. Earthquake. Knuth must be prevented from giving this announcement. Sounds like just the kind of thing the Department of Homeland Security would be all over.

  81. Somebody found a bug in TeX? by paai · · Score: 1

    Hasn't Knuth an award out for everybody who found a bug in TeX? Somebody must have found one :-)

    1. Re:Somebody found a bug in TeX? by terjeber · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He has announced it, and he has paid. Many times. For some reason people rarely cached his checks but stuck them in frames instead. Since pictures of these ended up on the web, Knuth had to stop sending out checks. These days you can get a check from the Bank of San Seriffe instead.

    2. Re:Somebody found a bug in TeX? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I'm pretty sure that they almost always cached the checks. Only a few people actually cashed them.

  82. Godwin's law by owlman17 · · Score: 1

    Or the nazi who's never heard of Adolf Hitler.

  83. "Tom Cruise is right. Unix backwards is Xinu" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Tom Cruise is right. Unix backwards is Xinu"

  84. I assume... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that he got it wrong?

  85. Maybe he'll use tau? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > I know he's the authority on algorithms but I doubt he can change one of the most fundamental constant in mathematics.

    Maybe he'll switch to using tau? (tau == 2 pi and cuts lots of twos out of equations).

  86. AI? by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    There are many things that could be done in compsci that would be great, but when someone mentions an upcoming "earthshaking" announcement in the field, the first thing that springs to mind for me is true, hard AI. We all know it's coming; someone just needs to figure out the last few pieces. I fancy Knuth's chances more than most.

    "My job is to compare the AI literature with what came out of the electrical engineering community, and other disciplines; each community has had a slightly different way of approaching the problems." -- Knuth

    Then again, he might be announcing his new luddite cult ;)

    1. Re:AI? by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      I would be stunned if a Computer Scientist created pure AI from nothing but theory and math formulas.

      Reverse engineer the human brain first, which would require knowing and understanding how all the parts work. Then re-creating that in digital form.

      Not only is that the path we're on now, it's the *easiest* path.

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    2. Re:AI? by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Reverse engineer the human brain first, which would require knowing and understanding how all the parts work. Then re-creating that in digital form.

      Why? That's like creating a car by analysing the locomotion of a giraffe, or like cloning a game on Linux and OpenGL by studying the machine code from a ZX Spectrum.

      The point is to create a machine that can silicon-based machine perform the same function as a carbon-based lifeform --- not to study how the carbon-based lifeform does it. I suspect that some high-level introspection would be much more useful here than low-level neurology.

  87. He's going to finally settle the arguments... by pedantic+bore · · Score: 1

    ... about the correct pronunciation of his name.

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    1. Re:He's going to finally settle the arguments... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What arguments? His name is pronounced with the K, as in "KA-NOOTH."

    2. Re:He's going to finally settle the arguments... by digitig · · Score: 1

      "Knooth when referenced by Americans, Knut when referenced by Europeans. Doesn't work as well as for Niklaus Wirth, does it?

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  88. The Matrix by mr+exploiter · · Score: 1

    He found a buffer overflow and is going to get out of the matrix.

  89. If you use one shovel per hole... by DG · · Score: 1

    ...you're doing it wrong.

    Let me guess - you don't use library functions either? Write every program from scratch?

    DG

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    1. Re:If you use one shovel per hole... by skornenicholas · · Score: 1

      You haven't ever tried to dig a hole in the desert there have you boy-o? Don't be ridiculous, my skills as a programmer surpass mere mortals, my programs write other programs for me. Lighten up.

    2. Re:If you use one shovel per hole... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Let me guess. You've never dug a posthole, have you?

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    3. Re:If you use one shovel per hole... by DG · · Score: 1

      If slit trenches count... then yes. Thousands.

      DG

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  90. The Venue gives it away. San Francisco! by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Guys, he finally found a way to actually shake the earth. He is going to initiate a series of small earthquakes to release all the strain energy in the San Andrea's fault in a controlled way and actually tap it to provide renewable carbon free energy for the next 100 years.

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  91. Not necessarily an announcement by jnik · · Score: 1

    Reading that page in context, he's delivering a talk entitled "An Earthshaking Announcement". That doesn't necessarily mean he's making an earthshaking announcement.

  92. Flash on the iPhone! by Chris+Snook · · Score: 1

    In all seriousness, given that it's being presented at a TeX conference, I highly doubt it's something so fundamental as P vs. NP. Since we're all flailing wildly at possible answers, I'm going to put my money on an average-case polynomial solution to an NP-complete problem. These already exist, but the average case is very fragile and rarely survives reduction to another NP-complete problem. Perhaps he's found one for one of the more popular and useful NP-complete problems.

    Who's running the pool?

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    1. Re:Flash on the iPhone! by SpeedBump0619 · · Score: 1

      I believe that there is an NP complete problem related to TeX (having to do with optimally allocating interstitial space in justified text or some such). If he's playing with anything relating to NP completeness it'll surely have something to do with that.

  93. Bad Omen by McGruber · · Score: 1

    It's probably not going to be a good day, since slashdot has already posted 13 kdawson stories in a row.

  94. TeX 4.0 and MetaFont 3.0. by Above · · Score: 1

    I'm voting for TeX version 4.0, and MetaFont version 3.0.

    I can think of nothing more that would get TeX folks in a lather.

    1. Re:TeX 4.0 and MetaFont 3.0. by HuguesT · · Score: 1

      well, Knuth has stated that TeX version number should converge to Pi and Metafont's to e (2.718...), so both are very unlikely.

  95. Maybe it's a logic puzzle by noidentity · · Score: 1

    If he generates enough excitement over what it might be, and then announces that it was nothing, that might be kind of shaking.

    1. Re:Maybe it's a logic puzzle by md65536 · · Score: 1

      He'll wire stadium concert speakers aimed at the ground, to hundreds of car stereo sound-off contest systems, step up real close to the mic, breathe in deeply, and in a deep booming voice say, "I HAVE NOTHING TO ANNOUNCE."

  96. Maybe the Laundry finally declassified... by seanellis · · Score: 1

    ...his proof of the Turing-Lovecraft theorem: "Phase Conjugate Grammars for Extradimensional Summoning"

  97. Knuth: 2011 is the year of Linux on the Desktop! by scorp1us · · Score: 1

    Knuth has downloaded and installed the latest Ubuntu and saw it was good.

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  98. Am I missing a more notable source? by dmomo · · Score: 1

    This slashdot article simply references a bullet point on a convention agenda. How did it make its way to slashdot if it wasn't hyped in some other fashion? For all I know is that the "Earth Shaking" announcement could be an open bar reception for the attendees.

    1. Re:Am I missing a more notable source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never mind that one of his other lectures was called "All Questions Answered"

      That's just the name of his talk, it's TeX related. 4 isn't done yet. He's going to keep on keeping on. He's not working on P!=NP.

      Didn't anyone here ever take any of his classes or at least ever listen to him talk?

  99. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by Reverend528 · · Score: 4, Funny

    around the same level of recognition as Dijkstra, I would say.

    Bah. Knuth wrote volumes of books full of algorithms. I can't think of a single algorithm that Dijkstra ever came up with.

  100. Irony by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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  101. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by thelexx · · Score: 1
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  102. Higgs Boson by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

    He's calculated the mass of a Higgs/Boson particle. Shortly thereafter our planet is compressed to the size of a pea in a failed experiment.

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  103. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  104. Re: Not known to self contradict by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Obligatory: I want the Knuth - but I can't handle the Knuth!

    But how funny IS Knuth? Would he pull a stunt like an announcement about ... Earthquakes?

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  105. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by tepples · · Score: 1

    Claud, Claude, Cloud... What's next, the Final Fantasy VII flamewar among people who prefer Aeris, Aerith, and Alice?

  106. All Questions Answered by ezdude · · Score: 1

    On May 14, he gave a talk entitled "All Questions Answered" for the Case Western Alumni Association. Does anyone here think he really answered all the questions? In other words, isn't it possible you folks are taking this a bit too literally?

  107. I'm guessing that... by Minwee · · Score: 1

    The Bank of San Seriffe is going to start issuing its own currency.

    1. Re:I'm guessing that... by vlm · · Score: 1

      Knuth app store, paid for by the Bank of San Seriffe.

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  108. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by sribe · · Score: 1

    Knuth doesn't stand out amongst his peers in his field as much as those examples you've mentioned.

    True, however Knuth is more relevant to the points being made here, because of his publications & teaching making him harder to not have heard of.

  109. "Will he announce of a replacement for TeX ?" by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    Yes. It will use S-expressions.

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  110. KindleTex please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love my Kindle, but the crappy typesetting is sorta sad...

  111. New edition of TAOCP by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1

    TAOCP is being rewritten to use Java.

  112. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by MrNiceguy_KS · · Score: 1

    Peers such as Turing, Shannon, Dijkstra, Boole, Babbage, von Neumann, Hopper... (etc.) are all more important

    Knuth does stand out from those you mentioned. What have any of them done lately?

    (For the clueless - the others are all dead. For the pedantic and/or humorless - yes, I know they're all dead.)

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  113. Duh - a Bug in LaTex found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Duh - a Bug in LaTex found and he's paying someone $10.

  114. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

    I can't think of a single algorithm that Dijkstra ever came up with.

    I can. what was it now? Oh, damn, you know when you have it on the tip of your tongue... what was Dijkstra's Algorithm called? oh, you'll just have to Google it yourself.

  115. Step #3 by turkeyfish · · Score: 1

    Obviously, miracle happens.

  116. Let's pile on by professorguy · · Score: 1

    And there's even other ways the problem is not as well defined as we think: There could exist a different model than the turing machine with non-deterministic output which could model NP problems (let's call the new problem space NP') and that may be in P. If the nature of this machine is such that the normal translation requirement needed to be in NP doesn't work on it (or becomes NP itself), we might have P!=NP, but P=NP'. This would allow us to solve some NP problems in P yet still have P!=NP.

    I just think the entire space of algorithms is not filled out enough to make universal predictions. So if we prove P!=NP, we might still be able to solve the problems in P. In which case it's our framework that must be thrown out, not the search for P-time procedures.

    This is to say, NP tells us more about the current state-of-the-art for automated processing than it does about the actual nature of the universe. While this may turn out to be false, a proof of P!=NP is not necessarily a signal to give up looking for P solutions to NP problems.

  117. Stale Brains by turkeyfish · · Score: 1

    "I think this, more than anything else, is what causes peoples brains to go stale."

    I have suspicions that brains "go stale" [cells are lost] because so many grow so infatuated with their own ideas that they tend to impose them on their conception of reality. Axons among these channels get reinforced, while those leading to other connections atrophy. When this happens, many brain cells are lost as they simply aren't being used and nutrition and ultimately, energy, always in short supply in the body because it is costly and risky to create, goes to where it is used. These people then loose the flexibility to think creatively. Brain cells, like muscle cells need exercise.

    You do not exercise all of them, if your only significant ideas can be printed on a bumper sticker or a quick political slogan. To exercise them all, you need to be more "open-minded". Being wrong and then being able to learn from your mistakes, helps build new axonal pathways. Many fail to learn from their mistakes and become "conservatives" and "reactionaries", able to only respond reflexively.

    Ignoring reality again and again even as it slaps you in the face: the hallmark of a true conservative

  118. the gist of the announcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Knuth has reduced all of Wolfram's work to five lines of TeX

  119. MOD PARENT UP by pablodiazgutierrez · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sums up the whole thread. This is also the main argument against constructivist teaching, on which, for example, the failing modern Spanish education system is built upon.

  120. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by pablodiazgutierrez · · Score: 1

    I think a *swoosh* sound would be appropriate here :).

  121. Its obious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He tells everyone in the audience to jump at the same time - earth shaken.

  122. What he'll announce... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

    Either that Don Knuth is the cover for a group of Bourbaki-like American computer scientists or that he's given up religion.

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  123. Shannon? Hell I majored in CS in college and the by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 1

    only reason I know anything about him is when I ran across the "Shannon number" estimate of the size of the game tree for chess.

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  124. The Professor will switch back to using e-mail? by Yethi · · Score: 1

    He will publish an e-mail address where people can reach him.

  125. finally! by cstacy · · Score: 1

    He's going to announce that, contrary to long-held conventional wisdom, you CAN do that in horizontal mode!

  126. 'The Pope supports evolution': No he doesn't by openfrog · · Score: 1

    Pope and the Catholic church has no problem with evolution

    The Catholic Church ostensibly accepts the process of evolution, just to throw doubt on its mechanisms. They consider the challenge of creationism to be a "lively" scientific debate. They take the position that, whatever science finds, the Church will be comfortable with the result saying 'But God willed it' (they have learned their lesson...):

    But it is important to note that, according to the Catholic understanding of divine causality, true contingency in the created order is not incompatible with a purposeful divine providence. Divine causality and created causality radically differ in kind and not only in degree. Thus, even the outcome of a truly contingent natural process can nonetheless fall within God’s providential plan for creation. (Communion and Stewardship: Human Persons Created in the Image of God, plenary sessions held in Rome 2000-2002, published July 2004. Cardinal Ratzinger, then head of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, has endorsed this text coming out of The International Theological Commission which was charged with dealing with this 'non-problem')

    No problem? If you are naive, you might be comfortable with that, until they turn this around and tell you that there is no true contingency since God willed it, that therefore the soul does not arise out of a material process without God's intervention, and then come back with Adam and the original sin, as they steadfastly insist, and the created soul, and the limitations of the materialistic scientific outlook. With that, they are satisfied that they have justified their moral mission in this sinful world and finally put science in its damn place.

    Evolution has been the Catholic Church's main concern ever since the issue surfaced with the publication of Darwin's 'The Origin of Species', and they are not nearly close to be out of trouble yet. They are in the very same hot tub than the other Adamic religions regarding evolution, despite their ostensible affectation to have no problem with it.

  127. Not it's not really. by Reservoir+Penguin · · Score: 1

    According to my source all that time has has been really working on Duke Nukem Forever (for MIX machine)!

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  128. Knut Btree Algo is off by 1 order of magnitude by dtschmitz · · Score: 1

    fyi, http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1814327 He'll admit his error in designing the CS classic Btree algorithm. The error was uncovered by the author of 'Varnish' caching software. Dietrich

  129. So true... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had the absolute joy of secretarial support for about a year and a half. My productivity more than tripled because of her.

    Really, if you can afford it, hire a secretary. Whatever the cost, you will more than make up for it by getting a lot more work done.

  130. Documentary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are even remotely interested in the people behind the solving of the Theorem, you should watch this documentary about Andrew Wiles.

  131. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's *WHOOSH* you insensitive clod!

  132. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Knuth doesn't stand out amongst his peers in his field as much as those examples you've mentioned. Peers such as Turing, Shannon, Dijkstra, Boole, Babbage, von Neumann, Hopper... (etc.) are all more important
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_scientists

    (disclaimer: i knew who Knuth was but i'm just not bothered by those that don't when there are so many prominent computer scientists)

    Based on books and other papers I read, written by those people.

    Knuth - LOL! Oh, my stomach, it hurts! Can't breath! Mu-u-u-ust stop laughing!
    Turing - Booooring, boring, boring, booooring!
    Djikstra - Slightly amusing, until he starts rambling, he always starts rambling.
    Boole - Zzzzzzzzzzzz
    Babbage - I admit, I've never read anything by Babbage
    von Neumann - Zzzzzzzzzz
    Hopper - Snicker, heh, heh, heh...

    Hopper is both brilliant AND funny. That's like hot chocolate WITH cream.
    Knuth is both brillant AND funny as hell. Thats like hote chocolate WITH cinnamon AND cream.
    They are also very good at explaining complicated stuff simple, but not simplistic. As is Djikstra.
    The other ones, meh!

  133. Earthshaking Announcement by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    He has reproduced the Mona Lisa using an algorithm written in 7 lines of FORTRAN for CUDA.

  134. Knuth tells he's been kidding all this time. by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

    All those books and papers? Comedy! Literate programming? C'mon, who'd take *that* seriously. TeX? Wrote it as a joke on his professor.

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  135. Re: Off a short pier by drainbramage · · Score: 1

    I was walking down a short pier.
    My head was down, I was counting the slits between each plank on the pier.
    I discovered something:
    When you're out of slits, you're out of pier.

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  136. Earth-shaking? In San Francisco? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously the evil genius has snapped, and he'll be unveiling his new Doomsday Device. If ECMA does not make TeX the one and only standard for text storage and processing by tomorrow noon PST, he'll unleash an earthquake that will level the West Coast. Earth-shaking indeed!

  137. My guess is it's Hyperbole by mysidia · · Score: 1

    The title of a presentation at a TeX conference.

    What that would be? Well, it must be TeX related, of course.

    It's an announcement.

    But when the title "an earth shattering announcement" is used, it is probably a bit of humor, and meant as the exact opposite.

    I suppose we shall see, when the proceedings are published, eh?

    1. Re:My guess is it's Hyperbole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he decided to connect back to the internet leapfrogging email to go directly to twitter.
      So to join him you can use #twitterDonaldSupportTeX

      Or he is swtiching to troff/troff -man

      And the 30th of June is the new 1st of april

  138. Re: Off a short pier by unitron · · Score: 1

    I'd never heard that one before, but I remember the ad tag line on which your punch line is based, and send a little gusto your way.

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  139. The earth-shaking announcement is... by WillAdams · · Score: 4, Informative

    (posting this from the Sir Francis Drake Hotel)

    a successor to TeX which he has been working on for some time

    scratch tex78 and tex82

    so making up for assumptions which don't fit the internet age

    jokes about measuring and math in TeX .4pt == .3999pt

    maxdimen too small, 1sp too large

    tunnel vision caused by computers of the day

    subset of XML uses Unicode automatic everything

    all directions and all dimensions

    hypertext

    text audio video sensors GPScoords accelerometers haptics

    midi input to score and back to music

    no macros --- menu driven like Word but enhanced

    spoken command and gestures

    \i \TeX (wrapped on a sphere)

    spoken name accompanied by (optional) ringing bell

    not programmed directly

    1289 bugs in TeX
    571 bugs in metafont

    Project Marianne

    www.projectmarianne.com

    Project Biturgical

    written in Scheme using all buzzwords

    pricing - monthly subscription on cloud

    first year one month free

    pricing based on internet speed

    will change everyday

    life is too short to reread anything

    will benefit world's economy, user's can sell documents

    network of certified consultants

    online help
      - for dummies
      - for wizards
      - personalized on-line

    symbolic equations
    graphics
    maps
    satellite photos

    \i\TeX hyper document

    math mode like mathml --- must evaluate

    avatars

    hyperbolic geometry

    videoconferencing

    world-class photo retouching

    character, face, speech recignition

    cognition

    output format:
      - lasercutters
      - embroidering machines
      - 3D printers
      - plasma cutters

    interactive cookbook

    life as hypertext document

    released next month

    pending patent applications

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    1. Re:The earth-shaking announcement is... by turing_m · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a commercial version of emacs.

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    2. Re:The earth-shaking announcement is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "iTex will change every day due to constant improvements and upgrades. Once upon a time, I took great care to ensure that TeX82 would be truly archival so that results obtained today would produce identical output 50 years from now. But that was manifestly foolish. Let's face it, who's going to care one wit about what I do 5 years from now, let alone 50. Life's too short to re-read anything anymore in the internet age. Nothing over 30 months old is trustworthy or interesting. We're best off enjoying each moment as it's happening."
      - Dana Chandler

  140. Announcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The earth should be shattered by now. Any news about the announcement?

    1. Re:Announcement? by menkhaura · · Score: 1

      I was half expecting something like Bilbo Baggins' disappearance on his birthday.

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  141. Just an ad by bjs555 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Disappointing. I feel manipulated, but at least by someone with obvious high intellect.

  142. In defense of Dijkstra by Grampa+John · · Score: 1

    How about Dijkstra's Algorithm?

  143. Ok, it's Wednesday. by hellop2 · · Score: 1

    What's the news?

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    1. Re:Ok, it's Wednesday. by jordan_robot · · Score: 1

      Seriously! I'm F5pping as fast as I can, what's the news?

  144. So what was the announcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the schedule on Knuth's site the earth was shattered a few hours ago.

    Anyone know what was announced?

  145. Shattered by bjs555 · · Score: 1

    As far as I can tell, the earth shattering news is there's going to be an XML-based TeX successor. Underwhelming, eh?

    1. Re:Shattered by paxcoder · · Score: 1

      Well Slashdot, not he, blew it out of proportions. As for me, if there what you say was true it'd be great news.

    2. Re:Shattered by Michael+Kristopeit · · Score: 0

      he said "earthshaking"... slashdot printed it...

  146. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

    Grace Murray Hopper invented the compiler.

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  147. Well? What happened by Mana+Mana · · Score: 1

    It's Thursday. Wednesday passed.

  148. Didn't feel the earth shake by virtigex · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to a participant "Oh, guess he's done. Knuth apparently decided to use TUG 2010 to troll everyone."

  149. Where's the baboom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Where's the kaboom. There was supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom".

  150. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Do you think you're smart, or do you think everybody else is stupid?

    The question isn't "who?". Given that she invented the worst programming language ever, the question is "why?".

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  151. EGG ON MY FACE by rpresser · · Score: 1

    That's what I get for copying and pasting the link wrong. My initial search included all the crap Google usually appends to their search (&hl=en and so forth) so I chopped it off after the keywords themselves.

    Here's the correct link: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=DE+Knuth

  152. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by pablodiazgutierrez · · Score: 1

    I must be new here.

  153. Re:Who is Knuth? by drissel · · Score: 1

    You are not expected to know this.

  154. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dijkstra%27s_algorithm

  155. LOL, wut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, now that one just about made my day! =)

  156. Godwin's car analogy by berbo · · Score: 1

    It would be like a Nazi who didn't know that Henry Ford admired Adolf Hitler.

  157. Video of announcement here... by kaveh1000 · · Score: 1

    http://river-valley.tv/an-earthshaking-announcement/ Uploaded with permission from Don Knuth.