Only because you really, really want this to be true. Most people would look at the complete lack of proof as evidence that the claim is likely false.
It is difficult to have sanity on a political subject, and if anyone needs banning to me it is the left leaning comments such as in response to this fairly run of the mill event.
Most people would realize that if they need to resort to censoring those who disagree with their belief, that their belief is on a rather shaky foundation.
They don't have to sell those advertisements in the EU. The sale can legally take place in the US (and likely does. I've never seen their contracts, so I don't know what country's laws they are drawn up under).
Just because it's a German company buying an ad doesn't mean the purchase takes place in Germany.
There are great scientific reasons to be sceptical of vaccines. I won't bother listing them here because you brain-dead folks are too lazy to RESEARCH on your own
It's so interesting that the anti-vaxxers claim there is a mountain of scientific evidence.....that they can not describe. Almost like there really isn't such evidence, until you're so deep into anti-vaxx mythology that your critical thinking abilities have been disabled.
In other words: "It's out there, but I'm not gonna tell you about it until you are a believer in the cult"
Your comment is typical of today's homogenized internet, but not the internet even 10 years ago.
The framing you complain about was endemic to the Internet for longer than the World Wide Web has existed. We had more-or-less the same comments on newsgroups.
So no, 10 years ago wasn't better (or even 20 years ago). You were just less aware.
If you'd rather, there is a lot of circumstantial evidence
No, there really isn't. There's conservatives who believe they must be more popular that the statistics indicate, therefore it's a massive conspiracy to silence them.
The fact that there is no proof they are as popular as they believe is a problem with this theory, but the people making the claim are unable to accept they're just not that popular.
The poor are getting raped at 15.3% payroll tax right now
Ya know, I don't think I've come across anyone as strident in their ignorance about taxes.
The employee portion of payroll taxes are 6.2% for Social Security, and 1.45% for Medicare. You'll find, through some exceptionally complex mathematics, that this does not add up to 15.3%.
And no, removing those taxes does not mean the employee gets paid the employer portion of payroll taxes. Companies treat that like an operating expense. Removing that side of the taxes does not mean payroll goes up.
With the FairTax, they get the full $12K _plus_ the $2,760 Prebate.
And you're paying about $8k in consumption taxes in order to bring in the same revenue that income and payroll taxes currently collect. If we apply some complex mathematics to that, we find that your "prebate" doesn't quite pay all that.
The excerpt I posted elsewhere shows you that your laser printers, paper, machines in your business are all bought without FairTax applied.
Yes, I laughed heartily at that. Jeff4747, LLC will be buying a lot of goods and services for the CEO's use. Thus avoiding all of your taxes. We're a struggling consulting firm that just happens to not make any money, though we do have plenty of clients...who also just so happen to not make any money but they do buy goods and services that happen to be used by their primary shareholders.
Which is why I'm completely ignoring it. It is monumentally stupid and impossible to implement because there's no way to legally differentiate between my LLC and a "real" company.
I get it, you like to argue, but you're posting without even thinking about it.
Says the guy who hasn't quite managed to state what his consumption tax rate would be.
Go ahead. Show how much you've thought about it by showing everyone just how much you need to tax the purchases of individuals to replace $1.7T in individual income tax revenue, $239B in business income tax revenue and $1.2T in payroll tax revenue.
Lemme help. That's about $3.15T. US GDP was $19T in 2017. So if we were dumb, we'd just take that income divide it by total GDP and get an answer of 16.5%. Remember how you were talking about the horrors of a 15.3% tax?
But hang on, it's even worse than that. Because your plan only taxes consumer retail sales and consumer services. US retail sales in 2017 was only $453.5B...including retail sales to businesses. US GDP from the service sector was $15.2T......but about 70% of services are sold to businesses, not individuals. So that's only $4T subject to your tax.
So, we're gonna ignore the huge swath of retail sales that were to businesses to help you out, and we get $4.45T subject to your consumption tax. We need to raise $3.15T.
So we get a consumption tax rate of 70%.
But wait! The Prebate!! That'll save us, right? You gave that $12k/year person about 20% of their income as "prebate". Now, I'm no mathematician, but I'm thinking 70% - 20% is just a teensy-tiny bit more than 15.3%. Oh, the prebate would also cost about $800B, so now we need to raise 3.95T, leaving us with a consumption tax rate of 89%.
And, btw, this is just to tread water. We haven't dealt with the deficit at all.
I am not arguing because "I like to argue". I'm arguing because ideas like this are presented full of magic asterisks that enable faulty math, and people like you read the fraudulent plan and think it might be a good idea.
Leading to nuggets like:
You haven't stopped to think that the poor don't buy a lot at retail.
The poor spend about 50%-90% of their post-rent income on food. Show me the "used" food market.
Show me the "used" gasoline market they can buy from to fill up that used car you were talking about. Show me the "used" electricity market where they can keep the lights on (retail ain't just goods).
You're an idiot. I'm talking about an individual person and their entertainment choice.
TIL that each person in the house has their own individual Internet service, thus making a difference whether it's one person using Netflix and gaming, or two people, one gaming and one using Netflix.
They don't even resemble conservatives. They're on the left.
"Conservative" is one branch of right-wing politics. It's not the only one. These folks are on the right too, they're just not in the "conservative" part.
They definitely are not left-wing. None of their policies fit any of the branches there.
The FairTax on the good and services you buy to stay alive are rebated to you in advance, by a mechanism called the Prebate, that is essentially the gov't paying those taxes for you.
No, they're not.
First, $12k per year is not enough for people in most areas to live on. Which means you're going to be spending far more in consumption taxes than you get "rebated".
Second, the poverty line is not what you think it is. It is not the minimum you need to survive. It's the line where we say "you are very far up shit creek". If you need some help realizing this, a minimum wage job pays a little under $15k per year. Here, I'll list the US cities where you can rent a one-bedroom apartment and feed yourself on $15k/year:
No, I didn't forget to type the list. It's empty.
There are 12 counties in the US where you can afford to rent a one-bedroom apartment on minimum wage and not put yourself in severe financial distress.
Otherwise, I feel you have your mind made up no matter what facts I were to be able to find for you
You realized that companies buy stuff at retail yet? 'Cause understanding that might start giving you a clue about just how bad this idea is.
From there you could start to realize what affects this would have on middle and lower income consumers, which would result in them buying way, way, way, way less in goods and services, thus crashing the economy. But the rich folks behind your proposal would be paying less.
If you're talking about something like ssh, you distribute the public half of the key and not the private half. If you're talking about something like https, you get a cert from one of the official places, and don't distribute it at all (you could make your own cert and distribute the public half, but it's more painful). If you're using a key for user authentication, each user is going to need to generate their own key and you aren't distributing anything.
There are valid reasons to check in a private key (integration tests, "dev mode"), and it can be made clear that those keys are not for production use (documentation, it's in the "test" folder and only used by the testing engine, only listen on localhost if it's the checked-in key, etc)
So, it looks like they more-or-less did a regex for things that looked like keys.
How did they know they were "real" keys? If I check in some integration tests, they're going to need a key.....and no one should use that key in anything other than a local integration test. Nor would they expect to since it's in "test" folder only used to build and run tests.
Or you might check in a key to provide an "example" mode with all sorts of warnings about "change this key before production", similar to how many web services will out-of-the-box use http instead of https. Not ideal, but not necessarily an issue.
This thread was about EM sensitivity in general, moron.
No idea why you can't follow a very short thread on a discussion board. On top of that to [sic] stupid to read the posts you are replying to or to grasp them.
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No proof currently means nothing
Only because you really, really want this to be true. Most people would look at the complete lack of proof as evidence that the claim is likely false.
It is difficult to have sanity on a political subject, and if anyone needs banning to me it is the left leaning comments such as in response to this fairly run of the mill event.
Most people would realize that if they need to resort to censoring those who disagree with their belief, that their belief is on a rather shaky foundation.
no need to jump to conclusions
Quoted for irony.
They don't have to sell those advertisements in the EU. The sale can legally take place in the US (and likely does. I've never seen their contracts, so I don't know what country's laws they are drawn up under).
Just because it's a German company buying an ad doesn't mean the purchase takes place in Germany.
There are great scientific reasons to be sceptical of vaccines. I won't bother listing them here because you brain-dead folks are too lazy to RESEARCH on your own
It's so interesting that the anti-vaxxers claim there is a mountain of scientific evidence.....that they can not describe. Almost like there really isn't such evidence, until you're so deep into anti-vaxx mythology that your critical thinking abilities have been disabled.
In other words: "It's out there, but I'm not gonna tell you about it until you are a believer in the cult"
c) users decide they want to play outside a rabbit hole. That last one clearly isn't happening.
You're forgetting there isn't exactly a lot of practical alternatives.
Yes, there's other places where people can post videos. They have much less content, and are either about porn or Nazism.
Your comment is typical of today's homogenized internet, but not the internet even 10 years ago.
The framing you complain about was endemic to the Internet for longer than the World Wide Web has existed. We had more-or-less the same comments on newsgroups.
So no, 10 years ago wasn't better (or even 20 years ago). You were just less aware.
If you'd rather, there is a lot of circumstantial evidence
No, there really isn't. There's conservatives who believe they must be more popular that the statistics indicate, therefore it's a massive conspiracy to silence them.
The fact that there is no proof they are as popular as they believe is a problem with this theory, but the people making the claim are unable to accept they're just not that popular.
The poor are getting raped at 15.3% payroll tax right now
Ya know, I don't think I've come across anyone as strident in their ignorance about taxes.
The employee portion of payroll taxes are 6.2% for Social Security, and 1.45% for Medicare. You'll find, through some exceptionally complex mathematics, that this does not add up to 15.3%.
And no, removing those taxes does not mean the employee gets paid the employer portion of payroll taxes. Companies treat that like an operating expense. Removing that side of the taxes does not mean payroll goes up.
With the FairTax, they get the full $12K _plus_ the $2,760 Prebate.
And you're paying about $8k in consumption taxes in order to bring in the same revenue that income and payroll taxes currently collect. If we apply some complex mathematics to that, we find that your "prebate" doesn't quite pay all that.
The excerpt I posted elsewhere shows you that your laser printers, paper, machines in your business are all bought without FairTax applied.
Yes, I laughed heartily at that. Jeff4747, LLC will be buying a lot of goods and services for the CEO's use. Thus avoiding all of your taxes. We're a struggling consulting firm that just happens to not make any money, though we do have plenty of clients...who also just so happen to not make any money but they do buy goods and services that happen to be used by their primary shareholders.
Which is why I'm completely ignoring it. It is monumentally stupid and impossible to implement because there's no way to legally differentiate between my LLC and a "real" company.
I get it, you like to argue, but you're posting without even thinking about it.
Says the guy who hasn't quite managed to state what his consumption tax rate would be.
Go ahead. Show how much you've thought about it by showing everyone just how much you need to tax the purchases of individuals to replace $1.7T in individual income tax revenue, $239B in business income tax revenue and $1.2T in payroll tax revenue.
Lemme help. That's about $3.15T. US GDP was $19T in 2017. So if we were dumb, we'd just take that income divide it by total GDP and get an answer of 16.5%. Remember how you were talking about the horrors of a 15.3% tax?
But hang on, it's even worse than that. Because your plan only taxes consumer retail sales and consumer services. US retail sales in 2017 was only $453.5B...including retail sales to businesses. US GDP from the service sector was $15.2T......but about 70% of services are sold to businesses, not individuals. So that's only $4T subject to your tax.
So, we're gonna ignore the huge swath of retail sales that were to businesses to help you out, and we get $4.45T subject to your consumption tax. We need to raise $3.15T.
So we get a consumption tax rate of 70%.
But wait! The Prebate!! That'll save us, right? You gave that $12k/year person about 20% of their income as "prebate". Now, I'm no mathematician, but I'm thinking 70% - 20% is just a teensy-tiny bit more than 15.3%. Oh, the prebate would also cost about $800B, so now we need to raise 3.95T, leaving us with a consumption tax rate of 89%.
And, btw, this is just to tread water. We haven't dealt with the deficit at all.
I am not arguing because "I like to argue". I'm arguing because ideas like this are presented full of magic asterisks that enable faulty math, and people like you read the fraudulent plan and think it might be a good idea.
Leading to nuggets like:
You haven't stopped to think that the poor don't buy a lot at retail.
The poor spend about 50%-90% of their post-rent income on food. Show me the "used" food market.
Show me the "used" gasoline market they can buy from to fill up that used car you were talking about. Show me the "used" electricity market where they can keep the lights on (retail ain't just goods).
You're an idiot. I'm talking about an individual person and their entertainment choice.
TIL that each person in the house has their own individual Internet service, thus making a difference whether it's one person using Netflix and gaming, or two people, one gaming and one using Netflix.
Alternatively, I'm not the idiot.
Take a second to think about this.
If every single install of a program, anywhere on the planet, uses exactly the same identity, how do you know who to let in and who to keep out?
You wouldn't. Which is why you don't give everyone the same identity just because they're running the same executable.
Nunes is from a family that primarily made it's money by ranching. And then real estate.
Part of Nunes campaign's tactics were to refer to that ranching history, in an attempt to make him more "down home" and "regular working-class guy".
The cows were shipped to Iowa many years ago. Nunes has about as much connection to living, breathing cattle as Theresa May does.
They don't even resemble conservatives. They're on the left.
"Conservative" is one branch of right-wing politics. It's not the only one. These folks are on the right too, they're just not in the "conservative" part.
They definitely are not left-wing. None of their policies fit any of the branches there.
we can enforce and change the ToS as we see fit, pray we don't change it further" doesn't stand up in a court of law in the rest of the country
I like how you think the right to free association does not exist in "the rest of the country"
It's well known that Twitter routinely shadowbans prominent conservatives, [...], but there's never been any real proof
I find this construction extremely amusing.
"We all know this must be true! All we gotta do is find a shred of evidence!"
He's from an extremely Republican part of California. Anyone with a pulse and an R after their name wins.
And those are going to need to be generated per-app. Otherwise you aren't authenticating anything.
The FairTax on the good and services you buy to stay alive are rebated to you in advance, by a mechanism called the Prebate, that is essentially the gov't paying those taxes for you.
No, they're not.
First, $12k per year is not enough for people in most areas to live on. Which means you're going to be spending far more in consumption taxes than you get "rebated".
Second, the poverty line is not what you think it is. It is not the minimum you need to survive. It's the line where we say "you are very far up shit creek". If you need some help realizing this, a minimum wage job pays a little under $15k per year. Here, I'll list the US cities where you can rent a one-bedroom apartment and feed yourself on $15k/year:
No, I didn't forget to type the list. It's empty.
There are 12 counties in the US where you can afford to rent a one-bedroom apartment on minimum wage and not put yourself in severe financial distress.
Otherwise, I feel you have your mind made up no matter what facts I were to be able to find for you
You realized that companies buy stuff at retail yet? 'Cause understanding that might start giving you a clue about just how bad this idea is.
From there you could start to realize what affects this would have on middle and lower income consumers, which would result in them buying way, way, way, way less in goods and services, thus crashing the economy. But the rich folks behind your proposal would be paying less.
Bed Bath and Beyond has launched its own gaming service called Game on Thrones.
This one interests me.
*flush*
You're not going to stream a movie and a game to the same screen at the same time
TIL I only have one device attached to my network at home. And here I thought there were several, operated at the same time by different people.
Hrmm...I wonder why Google started this whole "Google Fiber" thing..............
Officially-supported modding should work, in that there'd be some method built into the game for you to install/activate a mod.
But that's not exactly all that common among publishers. All I can think of ATM is Bethesda.
It's not like Wal-Mart is going to pay enough to keep the employees with good ideas.
If you're talking about something like ssh, you distribute the public half of the key and not the private half. If you're talking about something like https, you get a cert from one of the official places, and don't distribute it at all (you could make your own cert and distribute the public half, but it's more painful). If you're using a key for user authentication, each user is going to need to generate their own key and you aren't distributing anything.
There are valid reasons to check in a private key (integration tests, "dev mode"), and it can be made clear that those keys are not for production use (documentation, it's in the "test" folder and only used by the testing engine, only listen on localhost if it's the checked-in key, etc)
So, it looks like they more-or-less did a regex for things that looked like keys.
How did they know they were "real" keys? If I check in some integration tests, they're going to need a key.....and no one should use that key in anything other than a local integration test. Nor would they expect to since it's in "test" folder only used to build and run tests.
Or you might check in a key to provide an "example" mode with all sorts of warnings about "change this key before production", similar to how many web services will out-of-the-box use http instead of https. Not ideal, but not necessarily an issue.
Did you read the thread?
This thread was about EM sensitivity in general, moron.
No idea why you can't follow a very short thread on a discussion board. On top of that to [sic] stupid to read the posts you are replying to or to grasp them.
I mean forget buying gold.
You exempted banking from taxes under your plan. Buying and holding gold would be tax-free.