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Walmart Is Looking Into Launching Its Own Cloud Gaming Service, Report Says (theverge.com)

Google's Stadio cloud-gaming service may be intercepted by a similar service from Walmart. According to a report from US Gamer, the American retail giant is looking into launching its own cloud gaming service. From the report: Multiple sources familiar with Walmart's plans, who wish to remain anonymous, confirmed to USG that the retail giant is exploring its own platform to enter in the now-competitive video game streaming race. No other details were revealed other than it will be a streaming service for video games, and that Walmart has been speaking with developers and publishers since earlier this year and throughout this year's Game Developers Conference. Walmart's discussions with developers for its streaming service have been secretive, and it's unclear how far along the service is in-development. But our sources are confident that this is a space Walmart is trying to move into.

Though Walmart might sound like a strange company to be jumping into the streaming tech space, the move isn't wholly unexpected. In recent years due to competition from Amazon, Walmart has been increasingly looking into more tech-focused markets beyond its traditional physical retail chain. Over time, Walmart has integrated its physical stores with its large online presence, offering deliveries, app integrations, and in-store pick up services. Walmart also has a technology arm in Silicon Valley called Walmart Labs, which has 6,000 employees and develops tech for Walmart's digital presence. In addition it boasts tools like Cruxlux, which is a search engine designed to reveal the connection between any two people, places, or things. Finally, Walmart has a data center unofficially called Area 71 in Caverna, Missouri which holds over 460 trillion bytes of data. Data centers are a centerpiece of Google's Stadia streaming service and companies like Microsoft, Amazon, and Apple also own powerful data facilities, all of whom are also coincidentally working in streaming technology.

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  1. Bytes? by Rotting · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Finally, Walmart has a data center unofficially called Area 71 in Caverna, Missouri which holds over 460 trillion bytes of data."

    Who the hell measures their storage in bytes these days? I'm guessing they also boast the world's largest Commodore 64 cloud infrastructure to power this data center.

    1. Re:Bytes? by The-Ixian · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is the first thing I thought of as well.... So.... they have upwards of 13 4TB drives in a RAID-6.... wow!

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    2. Re:Bytes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'll be sure to use bits or, even better, nybbles as a measurement in the future just to make you even more annoyed.

    3. Re:Bytes? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Well their marketing department wanted to make their data center seem like a big deal where it probably is just a computer hooked up to a couple SAN Array.
      418 Terabytes isn't that much data. My workplace has double that, and we one normally serve people within 100 miles of our headquarters.
      It is common for a PCs or even a Laptops to have terabytes of storage on it. Having a data center pointing out that they have the storage of a few hundred computers isn't really that impressive. Especially due to the fact that other smaller organizations have much larger storage requirements.

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    4. Re:Bytes? by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you are going to go retro, we should use the unofficial terms of storage. How many football fields filled with sets of encyclopedia can it hold. (BTW the answer is about 5000 football fields of Encyclopedia Britannica.)

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    5. Re:Bytes? by ruddk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well it's Walmart so they have training in making shitty things look good,

    6. Re:Bytes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a misquote of the original figure. There's a book called "Issues for Debate in American Public Policy" published 2016 which said that Walmart was storing as of 2004, 460 TB of data about its customers. Even back in 2004, Walmart had considerable more storage than 460 TB.

    7. Re:Bytes? by omnichad · · Score: 2

      I don't know which is worse. Treating "TB" as trillion bytes or using a figure from 2004 and assuming it's even in the same order of magnitude of 15 years later.

    8. Re:Bytes? by forkfail · · Score: 1

      Wondering if a car metaphor is possible here. Not really getting the sports reference.

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    9. Re:Bytes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hell I have over 20 terabytes in my house...

    10. Re:Bytes? by fox171171 · · Score: 1

      "Finally, Walmart has a data center unofficially called Area 71 in Caverna, Missouri which holds over 460 trillion bytes of data."

      Who the hell measures their storage in bytes these days?

      Everyone. A byte is the base unit. Bytes, kilobytes, megabytes, gigabytes, terrabytes and so on. All measured in bytes.

  2. Games for Kenny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haha! Poor Kenny. Has to get his games as walmart.

  3. Peak bandwagon by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    It's not even going yet and already reached peak bandwagon when walmart are trying to jump on.

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    1. Re: Peak bandwagon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, it will be a failure because they didn't incorporate blockchain and AI into the platform, despite it being cloudy.

    2. Re: Peak bandwagon by Type44Q · · Score: 2

      These are desperate times; desperately stupid and unimaginative, that is: the dummies lack good ideas and all they can do is race to out-copy each other.

    3. Re: Peak bandwagon by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Taking a page out of the Hollywood play book it seems.

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    4. Re:Peak bandwagon by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      It's not like Wal-Mart is going to pay enough to keep the employees with good ideas.

  4. Publisher Utopia by Kunedog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    20 years ago, the worst DRM dystopia anyone could imagine was still better than one in which your entire game library literally vanishes as soon as (and I do mean the same second) the DRM server stops responding.

    1. Re:Publisher Utopia by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Back then we went, "But then the pirates will crack it."

      Not sure how they're going to crack a game with code they can't touch.

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    2. Re: Publisher Utopia by Type44Q · · Score: 0

      Not too terribly long before everything's a sealed box and it's illegal to tamper with hardware or code (just as with the right to defend oneself, there'll be demonstrably-obvious false-flag events to entice the ignorant and illogical populace to give up their rights... and they will).

    3. Re:Publisher Utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and that's exactly what happened to walmart's digital music store...

      walmart tried twice to get into the 'itunes' business. in 2004, it launched lower priced tracks than apple, but in drm windows media format. they pushed compatible "PlaysForSure" players instead of ipods. millions bought into it and trusted walmart (too big to fail, right?), purchasing those digital tracks.

      in 2007, after apple switched to tagged but drm-free files, walmart shut down the wma servers, no longer offered those files for purchase or redownload, and shut off the drm servers. in a nut shell, they the switched vendors who operated the store for them and didn't pay to keep the lights on for wma customers or otherwise make provisions for them (refunds, given mp3 versions of their purchases, keep drm servers online)...

      in 2011, walmart shut the mp3 store down as well, no new purchases, no re-downloads.

      DO NOT TRUST WALMART WITH A 'STREAMING' GAMING SERVICE, STREAMING TV SERVICE, OR ANYTHING RELATING TO 'DIGITAL' MEDIA.. INCLUDING THEIR EXISTING 'VUDU' SERVICE

    4. Re:Publisher Utopia by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Now the preservation argument is more important than ever. That is, assuming they end up having anything of cultural value.

    5. Re:Publisher Utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct. Which is why physical media will persist.

      Subscriber service? No Thanks! If I can't play it offline, I don't want to be involved. And neither will my money.

    6. Re:Publisher Utopia by srichard25 · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, since you are just renting a product instead of owning it I'm sure digital games will be much cheaper than physical games. Right? Right?

    7. Re:Publisher Utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget this was Microsoft doing their standard bit to screw their 'partners' dance.

      PlayForSure was invented by Microsoft and got a lot of companies to go for it. Then they created the Zune that did not do PlayForSure, but another DRM no parters would be invited this time.

      And of course together with tagged-bit-not-drm audio from itunes.

    8. Re:Publisher Utopia by omnichad · · Score: 1

      No - it will just create content deserts. You're not a big enough market and don't have enough power to stop it.

    9. Re:Publisher Utopia by forkfail · · Score: 1

      Sadly, I think you may be correct.

      It'll be like the pay to win scenario in mobile games: there may be a few Fortnights, but everything else will go the route maximum profit, least ownership for the customer.

      Don't like it? Don't play.

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    10. Re:Publisher Utopia by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Pssst....the secret word is "GameCopyWorld" where 90%+ of the cracks? Are Steam cracks.

      So if the game is on Steam? Yeah their "DRM" makes SecuROM look like NSA supercrypto, its been known for years that Steam DRM is a joke and is only there to give the publishers a magical rock that gets them to STFU while making it so Cleetus in BF USA can't just throw his game folders in a zip file and slap them on BT. Everybody else? Can just slap a Steam crack in the folder and voila! Everything plays just fine.

      The real "DRM" we have to worry about these days is online only games but with those they can be 100% DRM free and it doesn't matter as the code is never on your system in the first place, its on a server somewhere and will only work as long as that server still functions. I'm sure there are plenty here that think that is "wrong" or evil but after having several games that I played completely ruined by cheaters with aimbots and wallhacks? I'm sorry but if its a competitive PVP you really need the game running on a companies servers where they can constantly monitor for cheaters, as nothing kills a game faster than a bunch of douchebags using hacks to make sure they always win.

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    11. Re:Publisher Utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real "DRM" we have to worry about these days is online only games but with those they can be 100% DRM free and it doesn't matter as the code is never on your system in the first place, its on a server somewhere and will only work as long as that server still functions. I'm sure there are plenty here that think that is "wrong" or evil but after having several games that I played completely ruined by cheaters with aimbots and wallhacks? I'm sorry but if its a competitive PVP you really need the game running on a companies servers where they can constantly monitor for cheaters, as nothing kills a game faster than a bunch of douchebags using hacks to make sure they always win.

      Man, I hate cheaters, too, but I don't know if putting games 100% online is worth it if we lose the ability to preserve history. A better solution is needed, one that can adequately stop cheaters and allow for history to be preserved, but designing and creating such a system will probably be one of gaming's biggest challenges yet.

      Perhaps a whole new set of open, IETF-approved protocols with gaming in mind is in order? Anyone with the know-how willing to whip up some RFCs?

    12. Re:Publisher Utopia by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Games on Steam are not equivalent to games streamed from someone else's cloud service.

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    13. Re:Publisher Utopia by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      20 years ago, the worst DRM dystopia anyone could imagine was still better than one in which your entire game library literally vanishes as soon as (and I do mean the same second) the DRM server stops responding.

      So buy from Gog.

      If gog doesn't have what you like, then learn to like what they do have.

      The only way to turn the tide is to take your business to those who do it right.

    14. Re: Publisher Utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. With the costs of housing per square foot exploding, and all the jobs drying up people are downsizing their spaces, which means downsizing their physical goods.

      Nobody will be able to afford more than a 300sqft cube packed with 4 roommates in 10 years.

  5. i sat behind creimer on the bus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and wow it was like a gamy cloud back there
    pee yoo

    1. Re:i sat behind creimer on the bus by Crash+Dummy+Redux · · Score: 1

      Grow up! No one cares about your penis envy with creimer.

    2. Re:i sat behind creimer on the bus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      careful here as if we all follow this route in the near future if someone up-there decides you are irrelevant, guess what would happen, oh yea, street baby or under a bridge, the day that cash is irrelevant is the day we are all fucked

    3. Re:i sat behind creimer on the bus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crash Dummy Redux == CDR == Christopher Dale Reimer == creimer. He has a total of 50+ sock puppet accounts on Slashdot!
      Proof: They all post the same sock puppets karma whoring and/or bragging stories and/or spam links.

      Here are two identical posts from 2 different sock puppets:
      Crash Dummy Redux:
      https://slashdot.org/comments....
      The Original CDR:
      https://ask.slashdot.org/comme...

      Last year, I proved to creimer that I was running a click bot to inflate the views on his stupid channel and he admitted it! He has even written about it on twitter, go check and you will see.

      I specifically targeted music videos to make him believe that he had just discovered a new Klondike! It was very funny to watch him come on Slashdot bragging about how much his new music videos were successful before I finally told him about the click bot!

      Then, when the party was over, I proved to him that I was the one inflating his views, I told him in advance that I would stop the views on one specific video which I did and he confirmed that fact on twitter.

      Well, he just posted a imaginary story here where he pretends that pedophiles were looking at his kid music video. Maybe he figures that pedophiles are better click bait material. My bot isn't a pedophile! No pedophiles looked at his video at all!

      See his post here:
      https://medium.com/@cdreimerth...

      He is such a liar and a thief! He will say or do anything just to get 1 click on his stupid videos which have amazon affiliate links attached to them all over the place!

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    4. Re:i sat behind creimer on the bus by Crash+Dummy+Redux · · Score: 1

      If I'm karma whoring, I'm going to throw it all away by going after your crap comments!

    5. Re:i sat behind creimer on the bus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you just can't resist posting Chris:

      you wrote:

      You need to be more specific. I wrote 3,000+ comments this year.

      link: https://slashdot.org/comments....

      Why do you still post your stupid drivel here Chris?

      I have a nice solution for you: Make a video about it instead and post your comments there instead. I can assure you that you would then be left alone.

      Bonus: You can delete all the comments that you don't like there...

    6. Re:i sat behind creimer on the bus by Crash+Dummy+Redux · · Score: 1

      Who the fuck is __aaclcg7560? This is not the first time you accused me of bieng this user. I thought this was about Chris/creimer/cdreimer/APK?

      Sicko, sicko, sicko.

    7. Re:i sat behind creimer on the bus by Crash+Dummy+Redux · · Score: 1

      by __aaclcg7560 ( 824291 ) Alter Relationship on Friday September 01, 2017 @03:57PM (#55126475)

      A two year old comment is the best you can do?

      Sicko, sicko, sicko.

  6. BeauHD is launching STADIO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That’s a slashdot new service: stadio by google.

    STADIO!!!

    1. Re: BeauHD is launching STADIO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No thanks to stadio or stadia or whatever it wants to call itself on any given day.

  7. walmart games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what the Chinese needed a place to sell cheap Chinese games that break after a few month so you have to buy more.

  8. Why just that? by aglider · · Score: 1

    They could try self driving cars, food delivery, AI, cloud services and electric vehicules as well.

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    1. Re:Why just that? by Luthair · · Score: 1

      I mean they did also try selling music then later movies.

    2. Re:Why just that? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I'm sure they're trying most of that. But riding on coattails is a great way to cut your marketing budget. They probably aren't even near ready.

  9. Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Walmart etc... by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    ...All scrambling towards getting an cloud based gaming service up on running on their own flavor of the idea, has left out one big possible bottleneck they might not have thought of:

    The Netflix problem! A huge problem Netflix faced when they had the problem with success, was bandwidth throttling. Netflix subscribers was a substantial load on every ISP's network, and while the idea of a cloud based subscription package - combined with the power of using server CPU's for the actual game processing is a good one, this is one that will come back to hunt and hit them big-time. History is going to repeat itself here.

    The one company that get's the best deal with all ISP's and can provide them with enough funding to add the equipment needed to handle the massive increase in streaming loads, will be the ones to succeed with them. Wonder who get's that first?

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    1. Re:Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Walmart etc... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Whoever gets them on board.

      Or rather, why do you think ISPs will need anyone else? Large ISPs can easily launch their own Netflix clone, and the elimination of net neutrality means that they can easily offer an inferior product and get away with it simply by degrading the quality of data delivery of anyone competing with them.

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    2. Re: Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Walmart etc... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real game except in the real game there are no second chances.

    3. Re:Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Walmart etc... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Except Netflix solved the problem for them. You're not going to stream a movie and a game to the same screen at the same time. And game streaming doesn't actually require more bandwidth than movie streaming. It's all just a tradeoff in picture quality. And I doubt most are going to draw the line where Google did. Wal-Mart's equivalent will be a blurry 1080p and maybe some advanced encoders that prioritize bandwidth for on-screen text (or converts that to an overlay).

    4. Re:Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Walmart etc... by skids · · Score: 1

      Game traffic is generally low bandwidth (but highly latency sensitive).

      It's RTT that kills current network games and the more you offload to the cloud the more opportunity for lag.

      The only hope of this industry is to introduce sedatives in the food supply so people are too wonked to play anything with twitch aspects.

    5. Re:Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Walmart etc... by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      Hrmm...I wonder why Google started this whole "Google Fiber" thing..............

    6. Re:Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Walmart etc... by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      You're not going to stream a movie and a game to the same screen at the same time

      TIL I only have one device attached to my network at home. And here I thought there were several, operated at the same time by different people.

    7. Re:Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Walmart etc... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot. I'm talking about an individual person and their entertainment choice. They could already be using Netflix instead of game streaming. Very rare that the same person would do both at once.

    8. Re:Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Walmart etc... by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot. I'm talking about an individual person and their entertainment choice.

      TIL that each person in the house has their own individual Internet service, thus making a difference whether it's one person using Netflix and gaming, or two people, one gaming and one using Netflix.

      Alternatively, I'm not the idiot.

  10. Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cloud gaming is the iTunes of this decade. It'll level out again, and I doubt Google or Wal-Mart will even still be players. There's no cure for stupid, folks.

  11. Walmart brand games by Daralantan · · Score: 1

    I look forward to great Walmart brand games. Such as Super Wal Brothers. Walmart May Cry. Wal Souls. Call of Walmart: Rollback Ops. Though I realize, Walmart usually uses Equate or whatever..... Wal-brand is usually Walgreens.

    1. Re:Walmart brand games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wallout 76.

    2. Re:Walmart brand games by dstyle5 · · Score: 1

      I'm personally looking forward to: Surviving Squalor-mart Collectors Edition

      It comes with Skeeter the meth head doll who cooks meth in the sporting goods section, a coupon for $5 off whatever you want in a real world Squalor-mart, a Squalor-mart trucker hat and you can play as Skeeter in the game. SOLD!

  12. Walmart huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So it'll be so cheaply made that it'll stop working the minute you leave the store.

    No thanks.

  13. What's to be expected by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Walmart will find a few companies that crank out cheap and sub-par games for them so they can offer a cheap and sub-par game service to their cheap and used to sub-par products customers.

    In the end, I'd guess what we'll see is something along the lines of dressed up flash games with some cellphone game clones mixed in.

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  14. Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Walmart Cloud. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Walmart has enough brick and mortar stores they could run the server equipment out of.

  15. data slaves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Makes sense, Walmarts main function is converting the world's production into U.S. dollars so the countries can buy oil. Most of them are so desperate for U.S. dollars for this purpose that they'll sell their citizen's data for a song.

  16. Now if they can just keep the pipeline up and runn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OneOps anyone? Lmao.

  17. Why? Is this like block chain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this the new buzzword? Gamefly, PSNow, OnLive, GeForce Now, we already have these and nobody uses them, why do we need more? Choice is good but nobody's picking any of these. And after Walmart's digital music failure I'm sure as hell not trusting them to come up with anything that will change peoples minds.

  18. And no more modding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No more game mods, no price matching with bargain bins or other sales, no rentals or used game market, and meanwhile you're subsidizing their cloud hardware which you'll never get to use for your own purposes or resell later when you want to move on.

    You aren't even guaranteed they'll keep upgrading their hardware or your CPU/GPU slice, so who knows if games will run well or like crap in the future anyway. You're stuck with whatever they want to give you. Maybe they'll invent a new tier or added fee if you want to access better performance for your game.

    Rubbish.

    1. Re:And no more modding by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      Officially-supported modding should work, in that there'd be some method built into the game for you to install/activate a mod.

      But that's not exactly all that common among publishers. All I can think of ATM is Bethesda.

  19. we can see cable tv like fee fights, forced bundle by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    we can see cable tv like fee fights, forced bundleding come to online gaming as well as well ISP like Comcast trying to pull a new CSN Philly excursive like setup.

    Do you want to say lose all EA games as your Streaming does not want pay the new rates?

    Do you want to be forced to pay for mickey mouse adventures, Madden NFL, spongebob adventures as part of the basic package?

    Have to pay for a mid tear or higher plan to be able to pay the add on fees to be able to play WOW?

    Have to buy an mid tear or higher plan to be able to PPV / on off buy games from 3rd party's and that you can lose even after paying full price for the game if you stop paying for your basic plan?

  20. Lets get in on the action! by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 2

    In other news:

    PetSmart has launched its own live streaming pet watching platform called FurView.
    Bed Bath and Beyond has launched its own gaming service called Game on Thrones.
    Sur La Table is launching a live streaming cooking platform...
    Dollar Store is launching a new...
    Pizza Hut is launching a new...

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    1. Re:Lets get in on the action! by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      Bed Bath and Beyond has launched its own gaming service called Game on Thrones.

      This one interests me.

      *flush*

  21. WAL-MART for super-cool 1337 gamerz? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what self-respecting gamer would use a wal-mart streaming service? are they going to use $500 acer laptops, too? wear wal-mart clothes on camera? what's next, IBM's z/Stream virtual gaming service on VM/CMS?

  22. Wish I had mod points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very good points I had not thought of or heard from others yet

  23. Censored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Much like their music library, I expect this to be censored, kid-friendly crap that no actual gamer would want to play. Then again, why do I care what gamers who accept this level of non-ownership have to deal with?

  24. Launching by NwaliChideraSammy · · Score: 1

    That good and better, I see the same article on http://www.sammypost.com/betra...

  25. lemme get this straight by majid_aldo · · Score: 1

    we went from owning your own media --> to media with drm --> to media with patches ---> to full downloads ---> to streaming the video. PROGRESS!

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