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Microsoft Patents Virtual Handshakes, Hugs

theodp writes "'It can be tough to stay connected over long distances,' writes GeekWire's Todd Bishop. 'Yes, there's phone calls, texting, Facebook, Twitter, IM, video chatting and everything else. But what if you could give virtual hugs to each other using battery-powered, Internet-enabled pillows?' That — and more — is covered by Microsoft's newly-awarded patent on Force-Feedback Within Telepresence, the idea of using interactive, connected devices to bring physical interactions to long-distance communications. Readers of Ted Nelson's 1975 Computer Lib/Dream Machines can only imagine the interesting possibilities for Skype!"

87 comments

  1. My patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I should patent virtual fuck-offs. FP.

    1. Re:My patent by richlv · · Score: 2

      ah, you're getting close to fufme then.

      http://www.welookdoyou.com/fufme/index.shtml.html

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    2. Re:My patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh. No SATA =(

    3. Re:My patent by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Actually, you found the one case of a legitimate Microsoft claim to prior art.

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  2. prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There was a joke a while back about physically punching people through the computer screen, and today we have vibrators that work exactly like this (and vibrating underwear). Wouldn't that be prior art and an example of longdistance physical activity between people?

    1. Re:Prior art by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Sheldon had a telepresence device, but no hugging, he couldnt even open doors with it.

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    2. Re:Prior art by wrp103 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wasn't there a Big Bang Theory episode that feature this technique?

      Yes, Howard had a Remote Kissing Machine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9KXKbBKp1A

    3. Re:prior art by isorox · · Score: 1

      There was a joke a while back about physically punching people through the computer screen, and today we have vibrators that work exactly like this (and vibrating underwear). Wouldn't that be prior art and an example of longdistance physical activity between people?

      http://www.bash.org/?4281

  3. been done in cyberspace for over a century by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cyberspace a hundred years ago included newspapers, telegrams and postal mail. Of course we gave virtual hugs and kisses with letters and telegrams: XX OO XXX OO

    1. Re:been done in cyberspace for over a century by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

      Not just that, what would come closer would be saying "give her a hug from me" to someone at a distant location, where this person would proceed to give an actual hug to a third party at/near that location.

      Now you have this "...but on a computer". The next patent will be the same "...but on a mobile device, using location-based data".

      Anything that is from "IBM", "Apple", "Microsoft", seems to be rubber-stamped approved.

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    2. Re:been done in cyberspace for over a century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cyberspace a hundred years ago included newspapers, telegrams and postal mail. Of course we gave virtual hugs and kisses with letters and telegrams: XX OO XXX OO

      >Cyberspace a hundred years ago...

      Wait, what?

    3. Re:been done in cyberspace for over a century by dimeglio · · Score: 1

      Might because that's all the press really reports on. I'm sure there are thousands of patents granted each month to others.

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    4. Re:been done in cyberspace for over a century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best virtual hug ever was when a woman I was sleeping with was making a care package to send to her husband deployed in Afghanistan. First, she got him a DVD of his favorite Anime series, ripped it, then she spliced a surprise clip 3/4 of the way through of her performing oral sex on me, then spitting my semen (I had not ejaculated for weeks) into a big bowl of cookie batter before saying, "Hope you enjoyed the cookies, I want a divorce."

      Both of us laughed as she sent the package of cookies and the DVD to him, and we heard that he convinced 5 or 6 friends to share the cookies and the Anime with him before they all inevitably discovered the unfortunate truth.

      Now my mistress and I are spending Christmas together, making dinner for mutual friends. We will toast her divorce with her unavailable, uneducated, workaholic soon-to-be-ex husband.

      7/10, made me reply.

    5. Re:been done in cyberspace for over a century by EdIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This year's winner of the Darwin award.

      Send semen filled cookies to a bunch of soldiers deployed in Afghanistan. No chance at all of them being impossibly pissed off, statistically one of them being mentally unbalanced due to the stress of war, and no chance at all of them being angry enough to seek revenge.

      All of them stateside at some point, with expensive military training, access to weapons, and a reason to come find you and beat the living shit out of you.

      Not to mention, as a whole, soliders seem to be the most homophobic. Personal opinion, I might be wrong.

      Ohhhh, and soliders tend to have solider friends. Some of them might be stateside already.

      Hehehe Hhehehe Heheheh........

      Yes. Sleep soundly. Nothing to worry about at all.

    6. Re:been done in cyberspace for over a century by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      ... then spitting my semen (I had not ejaculated for weeks) into a big bowl of cookie batter... Now my mistress and I are spending Christmas together, making dinner for mutual friends.

      I think I would avoid eating at your house...

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    7. Re:been done in cyberspace for over a century by Grimbleton · · Score: 1

      Hey cool I read this same exact story, except with a regular television show, not anime, about... let's see, fifteen years ago? Twenty?

      Maybe you should steal something a little more obscure next time.

    8. Re:been done in cyberspace for over a century by davydagger · · Score: 1

      AC trolls hard.

      This was a plot line from "Generation Kill" based on a real story.

    9. Re:been done in cyberspace for over a century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      the X for a kiss comes from the middle ages when most people were illiterate. to sign a legal document an illiterate person would make a mark on the paper and kiss it; the mark used was often an X.

    10. Re:been done in cyberspace for over a century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I would avoid coming within a 2-mile radius of his house, when those guys get back home from deployment. Talk about bucking for a Darwin Award...

    11. Re:been done in cyberspace for over a century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the way you guys keep replying to this obvious troll. That's REALLY going to provide a disincentive for the next troll.

      Do not feed the trolls. In other words, good job. Excellent work!

    12. Re:been done in cyberspace for over a century by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Mobile device location-based remote hugging. Would be great if there was an app that could identify where your target was and find someone near by with the app that could forward on your hug to that person.

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    13. Re:been done in cyberspace for over a century by Johann+Lau · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure I heard a permutation of this before, but without Anime or Afghanistan, and a cereal bowl instead of cookies. It's either from a movie or a rehashed troll... I started googling for it, but "spitting semen into cereal bowl video tape troll" didn't turn it up and I didn't care to look further. Anyway, lame.

    14. Re:been done in cyberspace for over a century by c++0xFF · · Score: 1

      I was going to point out Facebook's "poke" feature, but I like yours better.

    15. Re:been done in cyberspace for over a century by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Just put your worst enemy's return address on the package. Like they are going to check.

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    16. Re:been done in cyberspace for over a century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea next time the bitch will turn on you and it will be YOU eating semen!

  4. More egrgious patent.. by jkrise · · Score: 1

    is the smiley patent, awarded to Microsoft.

    http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-frowned-at-for-smiley-patent-3039210396/

    That could be used to get injunctions over any number of devices. Virtual handshakes and hugs have limited use cases, in my view.

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    1. Re:More egrgious patent.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again, yet another patent that should never have been awarded due to prior art. Telepresence has always included the concept of force-feedback as it was initially studied for uses in remote surgery, remote undersea construction and other hazardous areas like nuclear power applications, etc. The wiki page on Telepresence specifically states "Haptic teleoperation refers to a system that provides some sort of tactile force feedback to the user, so the user feels some approximation of the weight, firmness, size, and/or texture of the remote objects manipulated by the robot."

  5. The Three E's by Ynot_82 · · Score: 1

    A rather literal take on the first step.
    Hopes are high for the 'extend' part, but swiftly dwindle at the thought being virtually extinguished

  6. Almost there... by silvalen · · Score: 1

    I'll be interested when they patent this - http://www.bash.org/?4281

    1. Re:Almost there... by bobstreo · · Score: 2

      Here ya go:
      http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/07/airknife/
      probably just a parody, but why not?

  7. On behalf of FOSS and /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I claim public conception for the idea of giving someone a virtual kick in the ass!

  8. This should not be patentable. by edibobb · · Score: 2

    This is not new, unique, or nontrivial. Unfortunately, that seems to be the rule rather than the exception for the USPTO.

    1. Re:This should not be patentable. by GiantRobotMonster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If we all ignore them, wont they go away?

      Anybody know an easy way to get Slashdot to filter out *all* patent related stories? They are always ridiculous, even when they're accurate!

      I had enough of this crap when I wasn't allowed to make a protocol I was implementing work as efficiently as it could, because Motorola had a patent on the concept of "Pardon? Could you repeat yourself please?" in this particular context. Utterly freaking ridiculous.

      The current patent system does not encourage innovation -- it encourages taking out patents.

      Hint -- follow the money.

    2. Re:This should not be patentable. by russotto · · Score: 1

      This is not new, unique, or nontrivial. Unfortunately, that seems to be the rule rather than the exception for the USPTO.

      I suspect (without reading the patent, since this IS slashdot) you'll also find that the patent is non-instructive. That is, one skilled in the art could not learn, from the patent, how to implement the invention. They just threw up a bunch of likely techniques in the air without ironing out the remaining practical problems with them, and hope when someone else bothers to solve them, they can sue.

    3. Re:This should not be patentable. by ByteSlicer · · Score: 2

      Yup. Prior art in 2006: http://www.mytware.com/ .

    4. Re:This should not be patentable. by ByteSlicer · · Score: 1
    5. Re:This should not be patentable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not new, unique, or nontrivial. Unfortunately, that seems to be the rule rather than the exception for the USPTO.

      100% agree. You could do this right now with an arduino and already invented pieces. It is utter bullshit and a total embarrassment to anyone calling themselves a claims examiner that they would grant a patent for this.

  9. Oh for God's sake by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

    Why did you link geekwire instead of The Patent?

    1. Re:Oh for God's sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why did you link geekwire instead of The Patent?

      Because the USPTO is not a for-profit business. Duh.

  10. Who's first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who will be the first to get a handjob?

    1. Re:Who's first by Eightbitgnosis · · Score: 3, Funny

      Now that would be a scary product to beta test

  11. Skype? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Skype has a bug, it inverts the video so one person is right side up and one person upside down. Yes I know, you think I'm trolling and MS isn't so incompetent, but I promise you they really are that incompetent, they really did write an app that can't get both videos right way up:

    http://community.skype.com/t5/Android/Upside-down-video-on-Android/td-p/478287

    So they've got this idea that one person will wrap they arms around another via Skype, and perhaps give them a kiss, maybe a frenchie, ... get that tongue in

  12. teledildonics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How can they patent something that's been known about for so long, even detailed descriptions and working prototypes?

  13. Wasn't this on the Big Bang Theory? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

    There was an episode where Howard came up with a set of lips which two people could use to virtually kiss. How you kissed and tongued the lips would correspond to the other person.

    I think there' prior art for this.

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    1. Re:Wasn't this on the Big Bang Theory? by BillX · · Score: 3, Informative

      I saw someone demo a similar system at a small art exhibit a while back (Intro.Inter.Tech 2007). There was not (yet) a force-feedback interface tied in, but kissable cubes / 'lips' with embedded cameras and software that superimposed the kissers over a telepresence system. I was there showing an internet-connected vibrators project (which was not a new idea even then), so tying in appropriate methods to transmit force remotely is not exactly a stretch of the imagination.

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  14. Teledildonics are prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Invalidate now!

  15. Prior art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I swear I remember hearing something about tech like this over 10 years ago. Something about two people wearing bracelets and you could tap them to send pulse messages? And I also think I remember something about remote control sex devices for long distance relationships? THROWDOWN!! The porn industry vs Microsoft!!

  16. How much for a license? by anasciiman · · Score: 2

    I am simply not going to pay Microsoft a license fee each time I hug someone.

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    1. Re:How much for a license? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I am simply not going to pay Microsoft a license fee each time I hug someone.

      It's all part of their grand scheme to take over the world by charging CAL's for sex.

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    2. Re:How much for a license? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      That might work. It just might.

      I don't seem to be able to get our CIO to pony up for them any other way.

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  17. new requirement for patents by davydagger · · Score: 1

    should be proving you have a working prototype of plausable design for one.

    We need to stop letting these weasels just get patents for everything they can "think" of, or guess might be viable some day,and then steal the work from the persons who actually makes one a few years later, because they made a good.

    I still don't like the idea you can own an idea.

    1. Re:new requirement for patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i own the idea of not liking the idea you can own an idea.

      pay up!

    2. Re:new requirement for patents by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      I recall at least two applications of this same sort of thing being done already. It's not even locked inside the realm of Microsoft's imagination; it's already in use by others!

      http://mixedrealitylab.org/virtual-hugs-and-intelligent-pillows-invented-in-asia/
      http://www.mytware.com/
      http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/tech-careers/adrian-cheok-making-a-huggable-internet

      I wish I could bring myself to stop reading patent stories. I don't have enough mental facepalms for them anymore.

  18. Quick, someone send me some money... by rjr162 · · Score: 1

    So we can patent a virtual vagina! You know for use with your loved one where your out on long business trips (although it could also be used in conjunction with porn sites)

    1. Re:Quick, someone send me some money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      already done. realtouchinteractive.com

  19. I'll just leave this here... by wbr1 · · Score: 4, Funny
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    1. Re:I'll just leave this here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That gives new meaning to "port forwarding"

  20. And this one too... by wbr1 · · Score: 1
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  21. I while never use this technology. by xyourfacekillerx · · Score: 1

    It's bad enough I have to sit down in a neutral zone and not multitask now that these days I'm expected to skype or some such with facetime. I usually do a lot of things on the when just speaking, like washing dishes, folding clothes, going to bathroom. But no. Now I have to sit there and do nothing at all. Now they want us to install robotic telefeedback mechanisms? Fuck get real.

  22. How Can Microsoft Invent Something from Star Trek by kawabago · · Score: 1

    This is not a new idea! Star Trek Holodecks used force feedback to make holograms appear solid. I don't think it matters that it was science fiction, the idea was out there for decades, it's not original.

  23. Forget that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You want a patent on virtual cunnilingus!

  24. More evidence of how broken USPTO is by Eggplant62 · · Score: 1

    Virtual hugs and handshakes? Did anyone even question the obviousness here? What's next? Patenting a method by which we should arrive at 4 given that we're adding 2 and 2 or 3 and 1 or 4 and 0?

    1. Re:More evidence of how broken USPTO is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh good god, don't give them more ideas. Any day now I expect them to patent boiled water...

  25. Prior art by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    Wasn't there a Big Bang Theory episode that feature this technique?

  26. MUDs by Chewbacon · · Score: 1

    Played many of them with hugs, handshakes, gropes, kisses and just about anything else you can imagine over the past 17 years. USPTO is full of shit and could mitigate this by doing a little fucking homework.

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  27. In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft no longer has anything truly innovative to patent. They just want to become patent trolls.

  28. Re:How Can Microsoft Invent Something from Star Tr by spire3661 · · Score: 1

    There is precedent for patents being denied because of Sci-Fi prior art. The inventor of the waterbed was denied because of Heinlein.

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  29. This is already a commercial product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is already a commercial product, covered by exiting patents.
    realtouchinteractive.com

  30. Prior art: Mixed Reality Lab in Tokyo by Khopesh · · Score: 1

    The Mixed Reality Lab at Keio University in Tokyo, Japan did this in 2009 (linked post dated 2010/10/01, research presented on Popular Science's "The Future Of" television show in their The Future of Sex episode, aired in 2009.

    The only reference to it remaining on the PopSci.com is Video: Japanese Robot Torso Hugs You Back dated 2011/06/23.

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  31. has anyone considered the implications? by HPHatecraft · · Score: 1

    falcon punch/TCP/IP!

    I think the trick will be getting that special person to wear the harness...

  32. Right, "hugs" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone wants the FUFMe real bad at MS.

  33. Re:How Can Microsoft Invent Something from Star Tr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except prior art hasn't stopped M$ from patent trolling and making more money off android phones than Google does.

  34. Awwww... hugz, anyone? by LaggedOnUser · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else just envision a future Slashdot, except with fuzzy, warm hugs instead of mod points? Now I can see what this site has been lacking all this time... Thanks, Microsoft!

  35. This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not only is this stupid... I hope you see my Virtual hand giving your the Virtual finger(tm).

    Oh wait maybe I should patent it.

    No I will just (tm) it instead.

  36. Halo, hello? by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    I assume after Halo 2, they had a patent on virtual tea bagging.

  37. Prior art by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm pretty sure the Japanese have prior art. I remember reading an article awhile back about virtual kissing devices. Both people had robot lip and tongue devices connected via the net. I'm sure that couldn't be as nasty as it sounds.

    But in any case, does this mean that Chuck Lorre owes Microsoft license fees? Or perhaps vice-versa?

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  38. virtual hugs? by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1

    (((((((((((((((((((((prior art!)))))))))))))))))))))

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  39. Microsoft Patents Virtual Handshakes, Hugs, BJs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely they are not going to leave BJs, Hand Jobs, etc, off the patent.

  40. Re:what would come closer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The term is "Teledildonics".

    I want to know what ...uh ... cums/comes closer than ... uh... those. Prior ... art ... to be sure.

  41. Comin' round again by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Microsoft Bob and Clippy just won't die: "Your blog says you're sad; would you like a hug?"

  42. Haptic Chicken Jacket.... by __aablib8664 · · Score: 1

    anybody else familiar with the remote, internet connected haptic feedback petting jacket for chickens - a psychological study.