"Sun spokesman Mark Richardson took umbrage at the focus on speed. "It's an easier marketing message to deliver to say that faster gigahertz means a faster processor," he said. His colleague, chip expert Fadi Azhari, explained how the Mountain View firm uses a different technical trick, called multithreading, to make a computer faster but not hotter.
Imagine a long line of airport passengers waiting for the ticket agent to check them in, Azhari said. The IBM speed trick would have that ticket agent working faster and faster - with maybe a blower overhead to cool the agent down. But multithreading would be like putting two or more ticket agents on duty, which is another less-heat-intensive approach to processing, he said."
What he should have said is, imagine a long line of passengers waiting for the ticket agent. The Power chip is like a catapult flinging those passengers through the gate. Sun's approach is simply to use more ticket agents. Who would you travel with?
First, I'd like to make a general observation. You exhibit a typical behavior of a fairly poor debater. Those disagreeing with you are obviously "full of crap" and "uninformed". That's pretty poor technique and fairly immature.
Second - you're completely out of context with your reply. My post, this thread and the article are discussing cybercrime and script-kiddies. You're talking about espionage and government surveillance.
These establishments you mention (2 of which were mentioned in my post) are fairly toothless when it comes to cybercrime.
I've seen too many commercial scams go unpunished or uninvestigated - it doesn't sound like the Canadian Forces Station Leitrim has ANYTHING to do with financial crime. What does the CSIE have to do with cybercrime? Do they go after Nigerian scammers or identity thieves? Do they take down spam networks running on unprotected mail servers?
Did you RTFA?
What does a CSIS drone make on entry level? What does a senior data expert in the RCMP make? Do they pull in 6 figures? That's what you can expect to pay for someone who really knows their stuff from a forensic standpoint. I bet their civilian contractors do but they're not out to stop cybercrime.
My original post could have been clearer but you're busy defending against the "attack" on Canada. I wasn't attacking our country. We, like every other country in the world have a long way to go on protecting information and financial assets from technically advanced criminals. It's nice to see that you know something about our government activities and that they are pursuing a program to protect our nation. Now how about protecting our identities and money?
Other people's comments about Celine Dion and general insults about Canada are modded funny or left at +2 so you mod my factual response to these posts down to a zero and leave the originals at +2.
Every time I have any hope for the moderators to be reasonable, I am unpleasantly surprised. Did you read all of the comments? Did you just decide you didn't like the attack on the US? It wasn't even an attack - it was a factual response to a comment on this thread that was not considered offtopic.
Britney Spears does not speak for all Americans. Michael Jackson assuredly does not represent all things american...(not criticizing his music though I am not a fan but he's about as deviant as they get)...
Amy Winehouse is not the speaker for all British people or representative of the British values....
Do you really want to compare who has the worst celebrities?
Oh - by the way - it's interesting to note where Celine Dion got most of her money...
From Wikipedia in regards to Celine Dion moving to Vegas from 2003-2007:
"According to Pollstar, Dion sold 322,000 tickets and grossed US$43.9 million in the first half of 2005, and by July 2005, she had sold out 315 out of 384 shows.[79] By the end of 2005, Dion grossed more than US$76 million, placing sixth on Billboard's Money Makers list for 2005.[80]"
Tell your parents to stop buying her CDs, DVDs and going to her shows and maybe, just maybe she'll go away.
I am glad to see that we're finally getting a little bit back on the electronic crime industry. We don't have an NSA (though arguably that's a good thing from a certain perspective) and we don't have an FBI. CSIS is our "CIA" and it's woefully underequipped for its actual purpose, which is watching for foreign threats.
That leaves the RCMP and local city police forces. That's not what these guys are trained for. When a "hacker" broke into several government systems 6 years ago, we blew the whistle on him One police officer in all of BC was assigned to cybercrime. It took over a year to go to trial and then because our laws weren't up to the task, he was given a probationary sentence. He didn't do a lot of damage but the point was the best that we could hope for even if he'd raped our internal databases, was a slap on the wrist.
It's encouraging to see a little progress is being made here. I guess as long as we have regionalized police forces and no central oversight (or limited central oversight and almost no cooperation between regions) there will be no significant nation-wide cybercrime division - it's too bad.
Then again, there so many damned police, government and paramilitary organizations in the USA fighting for jurisdiction, I don't expect that model is a whole lot better.
We all need less ignorant government reps, better laws and a lot more cooperation nationally and internationally before we can expect to make any ground on this problem. CSIS and the RCMP pay so little, I would never be able to work there even if the work was interesting.
It often looks like some of the parts of these things are just cobbled together....wires and tubes left dragging everywhere....most people who work in data centers would get fired or at least tuned-up for being that sloppy with cables that are arguably a lot less important.
For the billions they spend on this stuff, I'd figure they could afford a little bit for tidying it up. Still - impressive pictures...
This is how it all starts...soon the smart lego blocks are assembling themselves, then before you know it, they're dismantling the planet to make more....
Auto accidents kill millions annually. Most accidents are preventable incidents caused by human error - a very small portion are actually caused by vehicle failure.
The technology is being developed to allow vehicles to drive themselves. At some point this will be a feasible means of controlling vehicles safely.
The mainstream would never accept it. We want to be in control - we're more efficient than machines. We don't want to hand our freedom over to a system.
Many drivers struggle for lane discipline in 2 dimensions. They brake in corners and follow dangerous lines which would result in disaster if they had to make any changes due an unexpected lane blockage or vehicle movement. Add in a 3rd dimension. Add in the same resistance to a computer-controlled vehicle. Add in a more volatile fuel.
This would result in a disaster. Jet packs and flying cars are a dream and will remain so as long as we resist the incursion into our freedom.
Still a flying car with fly-by-wire controls and auto-levelling software would address some of it - I really can't see that in a jet pack though.
Case law is death to these guys if it supports the actual, proven losses. If your neighbor chops down a tree and drops it on your fence and car, you have to show the cost to repair or replace the destroyed item. You can't just make up numbers.
Why can a Corporate Body like the RIAA just arbitrarily do it? How have they gotten away with it for this long? I would love to see case law established forcing an accounting of the cost of a lost song - then they'd have to show how many times others had downloaded it, provide a reasonable accounting of how many sales that had cost them and guess what....it wouldn't be anywhere near what they ask for!
This was sort of my point....you can do this stuff without any real regulation. You can genetically modify "harmless" bacteria, create new viruses from inert or "safe" viruses and create entirely new proteins - with no regulation at all...you don't even need level 2 labs for a lot of this stuff....
How long before something really, really bad happens.
And to the asshole moderator who modded me flamebait - thanks - I did have excellent karma before - now it's back to "good".
Someone please mod parent up...it really was nice posting at +2....
Check related articles - you'll see them discussing the creation of unique proteins using these bases. Why make the bases if you don't plan to use them to create proteins?
Oh right. They'll just make these new base pairs and then...do nothing with them. That will make the people providing the funding VERY happy.
Yes, look. We took your money, did some random experiments and made these new base pairs. Any questions?
What do you mean, what can we do with it? We aren't going to do anything with it. We didn't plan any sort of next phase. We just wanted to get published.
What do we really understand about the human body? How much do we understand about infectious diseases, or the effects of environmental pollutants?
Why do we spend money on this when they can't even predict what use it could have? It could create new proteins. What could they do? They could be incredibly toxic. They could be the basis for some form of organic life we have no means to defend ourselves from. They could be a novelty toy in the lab.
As antibiotics lose effectiveness and new viruses mutate in potential pandemics, this seems more like buying a lottery ticket than real science. Only this lottery ticket could get us killed in a number of ways...What level of containment is the lab they're working in? Can they be sure they won't create some self-replicating disease?
In a way the biological sciences are FAR more dangerous than particle or nuclear physics - there are little in the way of controls for these people and their equipment costs a lot less.
People cite science fiction disparagingly all the time - "Oh sure, some sort of plague will occur just like the book by so-and-so."
It should be remembered that science fiction authors are like philosophers of old - they get paid to dream and speculate about the future - some are better than others - and a lot of stories are based on themes that have already occurred in some form or another.
If you want to create some novel form of protein or replicating molecule - do it in level 4 containment, k?
I can't imagine this is worlds better than other translation software which is usually fraught with problems due to the different in the structure of the language. People speaking different languages natively don't even conceptualize the same way.
Could it be a planet that was impacted by another large body? That would account for a diffuse mass as the matter settled back into a coherent form. I really don't know how long it would take to reform but it's possible.
It beats the hell out of some of the other stuff I've been reading here...
Of course I realize the context of the quote - it's not your god blessing this act
BUT
it's in the book you value so highly as an ethics and "history" book. What happened to forgive thy neighbor or that silly old commandment about killing? Oh - they're angry Christians so it's ok - go off and kill people - as long as it's in the name of Yahweh.
Do not accuse me of ignorance. That is the tactic of a coward. My "facts" are backed up by more than your book of myths and misogyny - which I'll note you didn't tackle by the way.
As for "recent" history - how long has the bible (in some form) been around? There are records of the "bible" from around 220 AD. So - during MOST of it's illustrious history you have the pagan genocides (200~1200 AD), the crusades 1100-1350 AD, the inquisition (1475-1830ish), witch burnings (1600s-1700s no one really knows) and of course let's ignore the buggery incidents in your church.
Your book is soaked in blood. You follow your current interpretation of your myths of which some of the greatest heroes have been soaked in blood too. Just don't expect me to buy it.
8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us-
9 he who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.
Yes praise him who smashes your infants against the rocks.... what ethic is this again? Vengeance? Sorry that's not an ethic. It's not a moral, either. In fact it's part of the bloody side of Christianity.
Even if recent times have civilized the Catholic and other Christian churches, let's not forget about the crusades, various genocides (bye bye pagan tribes), the inquisitions and witch-burnings and the centuries (continuing on today) of misogyny that this little book has inspired.
Giving broadband to your entire country doesn't feed people either. The infrastructure costs for this cash cow (believe that this is based on lobbying from someone who is going to get rich and the usual politician grease) are coming out of money that could be used to improve nutrition for the poor. This service will be for the wealthy indians that own computers - what percentage of India has such a luxury?
How the fuck are they going to solve it? Well, you can't if you don't even try. Does using profanity add mod points to your post? I fucking hope so because if the above post is a +4 insightful then the mods who gave points for it are -4 clueless.
And from the linked article:
"INDIA has higher rates of malnourished children than sub-Saharan Africa, despite having the money to tackle the problem, according to a survey that raises grave questions about the country's economic rise."
The amount of Indian porn is going to increase exponentially.
How can a country that has infrastructure and famine problems in some areas (a recent study suggested 47% of Indian children suffered from malnutrition) manage to provide this?
Windows is easier to learn to use. As a user - but not necessarily as a sysadmin. Most people start in tech support with more experience using PCs with Windows. They learn how to browse the 'net, install apps and make changes to the OS config via the control panel.
It's easier for a PC support person to support Windows on a server because they know the interface but:
Servers are not PCs (referring to the purpose of the system, not the hardware config) and a different approach is needed . There is almost never a good reason to use a server to browse the 'net and installing apps or making changes to the config should only be done with rigid protocols in place. Directory management is a required facet for both and is best learned through training - and surprise - it's more complex on Windows than UNIX if you compare AD to LDAP. Disk management is generally similar - managed through a window if desired. I would argue that both types of server should only be managed by someone with several weeks of training from a partner of the OS vendor and a lot of procedural dogma in place.
Also - in a shop with both system types and dedicated support teams for both, I would bet that the trend is that the UNIX systems have better stability - even discounting the more frequent patch cycles on Windows.
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From the Article:
"Sun spokesman Mark Richardson took umbrage at the focus on speed. "It's an easier marketing message to deliver to say that faster gigahertz means a faster processor," he said. His colleague, chip expert Fadi Azhari, explained how the Mountain View firm uses a different technical trick, called multithreading, to make a computer faster but not hotter.
Imagine a long line of airport passengers waiting for the ticket agent to check them in, Azhari said. The IBM speed trick would have that ticket agent working faster and faster - with maybe a blower overhead to cool the agent down. But multithreading would be like putting two or more ticket agents on duty, which is another less-heat-intensive approach to processing, he said."
What he should have said is, imagine a long line of passengers waiting for the ticket agent. The Power chip is like a catapult flinging those passengers through the gate. Sun's approach is simply to use more ticket agents. Who would you travel with?
First, I'd like to make a general observation. You exhibit a typical behavior of a fairly poor debater. Those disagreeing with you are obviously "full of crap" and "uninformed". That's pretty poor technique and fairly immature.
Second - you're completely out of context with your reply. My post, this thread and the article are discussing cybercrime and script-kiddies. You're talking about espionage and government surveillance.
These establishments you mention (2 of which were mentioned in my post) are fairly toothless when it comes to cybercrime.
I've seen too many commercial scams go unpunished or uninvestigated - it doesn't sound like the Canadian Forces Station Leitrim has ANYTHING to do with financial crime. What does the CSIE have to do with cybercrime? Do they go after Nigerian scammers or identity thieves? Do they take down spam networks running on unprotected mail servers?
Did you RTFA?
What does a CSIS drone make on entry level? What does a senior data expert in the RCMP make? Do they pull in 6 figures? That's what you can expect to pay for someone who really knows their stuff from a forensic standpoint. I bet their civilian contractors do but they're not out to stop cybercrime.
My original post could have been clearer but you're busy defending against the "attack" on Canada. I wasn't attacking our country. We, like every other country in the world have a long way to go on protecting information and financial assets from technically advanced criminals. It's nice to see that you know something about our government activities and that they are pursuing a program to protect our nation. Now how about protecting our identities and money?
Other people's comments about Celine Dion and general insults about Canada are modded funny or left at +2 so you mod my factual response to these posts down to a zero and leave the originals at +2.
Every time I have any hope for the moderators to be reasonable, I am unpleasantly surprised. Did you read all of the comments? Did you just decide you didn't like the attack on the US? It wasn't even an attack - it was a factual response to a comment on this thread that was not considered offtopic.
Britney Spears does not speak for all Americans. Michael Jackson assuredly does not represent all things american...(not criticizing his music though I am not a fan but he's about as deviant as they get)...
Amy Winehouse is not the speaker for all British people or representative of the British values....
Do you really want to compare who has the worst celebrities?
Oh - by the way - it's interesting to note where Celine Dion got most of her money...
From Wikipedia in regards to Celine Dion moving to Vegas from 2003-2007:
"According to Pollstar, Dion sold 322,000 tickets and grossed US$43.9 million in the first half of 2005, and by July 2005, she had sold out 315 out of 384 shows.[79] By the end of 2005, Dion grossed more than US$76 million, placing sixth on Billboard's Money Makers list for 2005.[80]"
Tell your parents to stop buying her CDs, DVDs and going to her shows and maybe, just maybe she'll go away.
I am glad to see that we're finally getting a little bit back on the electronic crime industry. We don't have an NSA (though arguably that's a good thing from a certain perspective) and we don't have an FBI. CSIS is our "CIA" and it's woefully underequipped for its actual purpose, which is watching for foreign threats.
That leaves the RCMP and local city police forces. That's not what these guys are trained for. When a "hacker" broke into several government systems 6 years ago, we blew the whistle on him One police officer in all of BC was assigned to cybercrime. It took over a year to go to trial and then because our laws weren't up to the task, he was given a probationary sentence. He didn't do a lot of damage but the point was the best that we could hope for even if he'd raped our internal databases, was a slap on the wrist.
It's encouraging to see a little progress is being made here. I guess as long as we have regionalized police forces and no central oversight (or limited central oversight and almost no cooperation between regions) there will be no significant nation-wide cybercrime division - it's too bad.
Then again, there so many damned police, government and paramilitary organizations in the USA fighting for jurisdiction, I don't expect that model is a whole lot better.
We all need less ignorant government reps, better laws and a lot more cooperation nationally and internationally before we can expect to make any ground on this problem. CSIS and the RCMP pay so little, I would never be able to work there even if the work was interesting.
It often looks like some of the parts of these things are just cobbled together....wires and tubes left dragging everywhere....most people who work in data centers would get fired or at least tuned-up for being that sloppy with cables that are arguably a lot less important.
For the billions they spend on this stuff, I'd figure they could afford a little bit for tidying it up. Still - impressive pictures...
This is how it all starts...soon the smart lego blocks are assembling themselves, then before you know it, they're dismantling the planet to make more....
Auto accidents kill millions annually. Most accidents are preventable incidents caused by human error - a very small portion are actually caused by vehicle failure.
The technology is being developed to allow vehicles to drive themselves. At some point this will be a feasible means of controlling vehicles safely.
The mainstream would never accept it. We want to be in control - we're more efficient than machines. We don't want to hand our freedom over to a system.
Many drivers struggle for lane discipline in 2 dimensions. They brake in corners and follow dangerous lines which would result in disaster if they had to make any changes due an unexpected lane blockage or vehicle movement. Add in a 3rd dimension. Add in the same resistance to a computer-controlled vehicle. Add in a more volatile fuel.
This would result in a disaster. Jet packs and flying cars are a dream and will remain so as long as we resist the incursion into our freedom.
Still a flying car with fly-by-wire controls and auto-levelling software would address some of it - I really can't see that in a jet pack though.
Case law is death to these guys if it supports the actual, proven losses. If your neighbor chops down a tree and drops it on your fence and car, you have to show the cost to repair or replace the destroyed item. You can't just make up numbers.
Why can a Corporate Body like the RIAA just arbitrarily do it? How have they gotten away with it for this long? I would love to see case law established forcing an accounting of the cost of a lost song - then they'd have to show how many times others had downloaded it, provide a reasonable accounting of how many sales that had cost them and guess what....it wouldn't be anywhere near what they ask for!
This was sort of my point....you can do this stuff without any real regulation. You can genetically modify "harmless" bacteria, create new viruses from inert or "safe" viruses and create entirely new proteins - with no regulation at all...you don't even need level 2 labs for a lot of this stuff....
How long before something really, really bad happens.
And to the asshole moderator who modded me flamebait - thanks - I did have excellent karma before - now it's back to "good".
Someone please mod parent up...it really was nice posting at +2....
Nice job moderators....or should I say morons....
Check related articles - you'll see them discussing the creation of unique proteins using these bases. Why make the bases if you don't plan to use them to create proteins?
Oh right. They'll just make these new base pairs and then...do nothing with them. That will make the people providing the funding VERY happy.
Yes, look. We took your money, did some random experiments and made these new base pairs. Any questions?
What do you mean, what can we do with it? We aren't going to do anything with it. We didn't plan any sort of next phase. We just wanted to get published.
Right....
Does this really sound like a good idea?
What do we really understand about the human body? How much do we understand about infectious diseases, or the effects of environmental pollutants?
Why do we spend money on this when they can't even predict what use it could have? It could create new proteins. What could they do? They could be incredibly toxic. They could be the basis for some form of organic life we have no means to defend ourselves from. They could be a novelty toy in the lab.
As antibiotics lose effectiveness and new viruses mutate in potential pandemics, this seems more like buying a lottery ticket than real science. Only this lottery ticket could get us killed in a number of ways...What level of containment is the lab they're working in? Can they be sure they won't create some self-replicating disease?
In a way the biological sciences are FAR more dangerous than particle or nuclear physics - there are little in the way of controls for these people and their equipment costs a lot less.
People cite science fiction disparagingly all the time - "Oh sure, some sort of plague will occur just like the book by so-and-so."
It should be remembered that science fiction authors are like philosophers of old - they get paid to dream and speculate about the future - some are better than others - and a lot of stories are based on themes that have already occurred in some form or another.
If you want to create some novel form of protein or replicating molecule - do it in level 4 containment, k?
http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html
Some people just don't think about consequences....
They're called teenagers. That said someone needs to be accountable for this INCLUDING the idiots that designed it.
the scientists observing this were in a box and a cat was looking in on them?
Oh my GOD. I've been made utterly redundant. That was awesome.
I think when I went to post there were 10 replies...then I got distracted...and came back....and now all the good engrish comments are already made.
Note to self: ignore highly time-sensitive job to make Slashdot funnies...
I can't imagine this is worlds better than other translation software which is usually fraught with problems due to the different in the structure of the language. People speaking different languages natively don't even conceptualize the same way.
This sounds like an engrish generator....
Could it be a planet that was impacted by another large body? That would account for a diffuse mass as the matter settled back into a coherent form. I really don't know how long it would take to reform but it's possible.
It beats the hell out of some of the other stuff I've been reading here...
Of course I realize the context of the quote - it's not your god blessing this act
BUT
it's in the book you value so highly as an ethics and "history" book. What happened to forgive thy neighbor or that silly old commandment about killing? Oh - they're angry Christians so it's ok - go off and kill people - as long as it's in the name of Yahweh.
Do not accuse me of ignorance. That is the tactic of a coward. My "facts" are backed up by more than your book of myths and misogyny - which I'll note you didn't tackle by the way.
As for "recent" history - how long has the bible (in some form) been around? There are records of the "bible" from around 220 AD. So - during MOST of it's illustrious history you have the pagan genocides (200~1200 AD), the crusades 1100-1350 AD, the inquisition (1475-1830ish), witch burnings (1600s-1700s no one really knows) and of course let's ignore the buggery incidents in your church.
Your book is soaked in blood. You follow your current interpretation of your myths of which some of the greatest heroes have been soaked in blood too. Just don't expect me to buy it.
A book about ethics my ass:
.... what ethic is this again? Vengeance? Sorry that's not an ethic. It's not a moral, either. In fact it's part of the bloody side of Christianity.
From Psalm 137:
8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us-
9 he who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.
Yes praise him who smashes your infants against the rocks
Even if recent times have civilized the Catholic and other Christian churches, let's not forget about the crusades, various genocides (bye bye pagan tribes), the inquisitions and witch-burnings and the centuries (continuing on today) of misogyny that this little book has inspired.
Of what ethics do you speak?
Oh and for the pedantic - I see it's now dropped to 46%. What an inroads. They're obviously over the hump now. Free broadband for everyone!!!
For the person who asked about a reference for that statistic of 47% malnutrition:
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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,2086
Giving broadband to your entire country doesn't feed people either. The infrastructure costs for this cash cow (believe that this is based on lobbying from someone who is going to get rich and the usual politician grease) are coming out of money that could be used to improve nutrition for the poor. This service will be for the wealthy indians that own computers - what percentage of India has such a luxury?
How the fuck are they going to solve it? Well, you can't if you don't even try. Does using profanity add mod points to your post? I fucking hope so because if the above post is a +4 insightful then the mods who gave points for it are -4 clueless.
And from the linked article:
"INDIA has higher rates of malnourished children than sub-Saharan Africa, despite having the money to tackle the problem, according to a survey that raises grave questions about the country's economic rise."
The amount of Indian porn is going to increase exponentially.
How can a country that has infrastructure and famine problems in some areas (a recent study suggested 47% of Indian children suffered from malnutrition) manage to provide this?
Or has this been asked already?
Google is the answer.
l e_faced_charges_for_busting_a_speeding_cop
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/117879/Coup
He withdrew the complaint.
Windows is easier to learn to use. As a user - but not necessarily as a sysadmin. Most people start in tech support with more experience using PCs with Windows. They learn how to browse the 'net, install apps and make changes to the OS config via the control panel.
It's easier for a PC support person to support Windows on a server because they know the interface but:
Servers are not PCs (referring to the purpose of the system, not the hardware config) and a different approach is needed . There is almost never a good reason to use a server to browse the 'net and installing apps or making changes to the config should only be done with rigid protocols in place. Directory management is a required facet for both and is best learned through training - and surprise - it's more complex on Windows than UNIX if you compare AD to LDAP. Disk management is generally similar - managed through a window if desired. I would argue that both types of server should only be managed by someone with several weeks of training from a partner of the OS vendor and a lot of procedural dogma in place.
Also - in a shop with both system types and dedicated support teams for both, I would bet that the trend is that the UNIX systems have better stability - even discounting the more frequent patch cycles on Windows.