With your reasoning it is perfectly reasonable to claim that sex doesn't matter as well, because after all it is natural and everyone does it, yes even 14 year olds, Oh my gosh!!!
Point of fact is the repressive nature of this society doesn't stop squarely at the anatomy.
Theres no chance in hell a skin for a male model would even fit a female model, unless for some strange reason they were modeled the exact same way. And anyone who is familiar at all with the human anatomy will tell you, Men and Women cannot be modeled the same way.
That being said taking a male skin and applying it to a female model, will probably come out riddled with errors.
Is why they didn't at least try and put any kind of compatibility with UMD discs?
They're fighting a two front war of media, and they should have used the bigger brother to try and force through at least the umd aspect, even if it would be inferior on larger screens and such, they could have at least given the option and given people a little more incentive to pick up the media, instead of locking it into a psp.
I actually meant that the issue wasn't as black and white as the responsibility lies squarely on the shoulders of the writer themselves.
And I don't mean to say that sysadmins are always responsible either. The lazy ones who leave their boxes unpatched for months (e.g. code red) are responsible in that case, however most of the time when the software companies haven't released a patch, the sysadmins can't do anything.
It isn't always as black and white as this either of course, but honestly if some second rate cracker can cripple your software, wouldn't that mean you would need to re-evaluate your software production schemes and maybe accept some responsibility.
I guess where I disagree with most everyone is with who a victim is. In my point of view, a victim isn't someone who makes money off of other people being victimized. I would also like to reiterate that I never once mentioned that the virus writer was not at fault, or didn't deserve any punishment.
If I pay you to protect me, and you fail to do so, how is it unreasonable to want my money back?
That means every linux user has basic superuser rights, what an idiotic statement.
Vulnerabilities are found in OSS all of the time, by people who actively search the software during their free time. These changes are then reported and fixed and can even be patched by the person who discovers them. Which puts the blame for being left vulnerable to either the sysadmin (the one who has root access) or to 3rd party software packages which create binaries of kernels.
If, however, you think that kernel developers should be prosecuted for 3rd party software companies making inferior products, then that is your right, however moronic it may be.
I do not believe the victim should be held responsible for crimes committed against them no, nor did I state anywhere that I did believe this. You are mistaking people who's job it is to secure and protect end users from this kind of harm as the victims. The only victims are the people whose computers were infected.
If it is your job to do something and you fail in that task, it is your reponsibility.
If you want a reasonable law on the books relating to this discussion, read up on the HIPAA act.
Putting words in my mouth then attacking them is quite immature as well, Rapmaster.
ask any of them and they will disagree with you, unless they are the only one's using the systems, at which point they do become the victim and aren't reponsible anymore.
They are there to provide security and support for the end users, because the end users can't do it themselves. If the sysadmin doesn't patch a system when theres been a patch made available, it is his fault for leaving the door wide open, not the user of that computer.
So yes, Microsoft should do everything it can to prevent viruses, but I feel it is entirely possible they ARE doing everything they can, and it is time to find a new approach.
So our arguments are inherently the same, except for this point which we happen to disagree upon.
A better analogy would be if your home or business was being protected by an onsight security team. If they fail to do their job in protecting you, I fail to see how they are not at fault?
you must remember the only victims here are the end users whose computers were affected by the worm.
Communism would have worked as well, if mankind hadn't exploited the system.
It is an issue with human nature, that I agree with; however, to believe that companies like Microsoft, who produce inferior code and only provide patches month after exploits, don't deserve at least some of the blame is completely naive and idiotic.
there a way to tackle the problem "from the source" that would prevent would be spammers and virus creators from WANTING to do these things?
Yea, as a matter of fact, Prosecute application coders and lazy sysadmins for failing to secure their systems. They share at least some of the blame, but accept none of the responsibility.
If you leave your doors unlocked and wide open, why the fuck wouldn't you expect someone to walk right on in?
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With your reasoning it is perfectly reasonable to claim that sex doesn't matter as well, because after all it is natural and everyone does it, yes even 14 year olds, Oh my gosh!!!
Point of fact is the repressive nature of this society doesn't stop squarely at the anatomy.
And you think that would actually work?
Theres no chance in hell a skin for a male model would even fit a female model, unless for some strange reason they were modeled the exact same way. And anyone who is familiar at all with the human anatomy will tell you, Men and Women cannot be modeled the same way.
That being said taking a male skin and applying it to a female model, will probably come out riddled with errors.
Or in the ESRB's case, 2 years ago.
Is why they didn't at least try and put any kind of compatibility with UMD discs?
They're fighting a two front war of media, and they should have used the bigger brother to try and force through at least the umd aspect, even if it would be inferior on larger screens and such, they could have at least given the option and given people a little more incentive to pick up the media, instead of locking it into a psp.
I should have known he was homophonic.
What, if any, suggestions would you give the linux development community for improving their OS and Applications?
Two different pornos at the same time.
this is a great day for technology.
It's good to see Hollywood honor the independence with what will inevitably be absolute crap.
significantly worse than the Independance Days of old.
looks like it, yes.
never done any bit manipulation in programming, just used my knowledge from digital logic 101.
i wrote a boolean statement which would output the correct bit depending on the other three bits.
a b c are three bits in particular in 32 bit integers.
(!A)BC+(!B)AC+(!C)AB+ABC will give you the correct bit based on the input.
then just do this for all 32 bits and you get the number. should also be O(n).
I didn't mean to come across that way at all.
I actually meant that the issue wasn't as black and white as the responsibility lies squarely on the shoulders of the writer themselves.
And I don't mean to say that sysadmins are always responsible either. The lazy ones who leave their boxes unpatched for months (e.g. code red) are responsible in that case, however most of the time when the software companies haven't released a patch, the sysadmins can't do anything.
It isn't always as black and white as this either of course, but honestly if some second rate cracker can cripple your software, wouldn't that mean you would need to re-evaluate your software production schemes and maybe accept some responsibility.
You think all linux users have root access?
I'll have whatever you are smoking.
once again, the victim aren't the administrators or the software companies.
the victims are the end users.
the victims are the end users who trust their software to be secure, and their system administrators to fixing any problems.
The whole system is broken, but the way the industry works is basically if it is broken, don't fix it until someone exploits it.
Defending that type of logic, in my opinion, is an act of lunacy.
Thank you for your reasonable response.
I guess where I disagree with most everyone is with who a victim is. In my point of view, a victim isn't someone who makes money off of other people being victimized. I would also like to reiterate that I never once mentioned that the virus writer was not at fault, or didn't deserve any punishment.
If I pay you to protect me, and you fail to do so, how is it unreasonable to want my money back?
Every linux user is a sysadmin?
That means every linux user has basic superuser rights, what an idiotic statement.
Vulnerabilities are found in OSS all of the time, by people who actively search the software during their free time. These changes are then reported and fixed and can even be patched by the person who discovers them. Which puts the blame for being left vulnerable to either the sysadmin (the one who has root access) or to 3rd party software packages which create binaries of kernels.
If, however, you think that kernel developers should be prosecuted for 3rd party software companies making inferior products, then that is your right, however moronic it may be.
I do not believe the victim should be held responsible for crimes committed against them no, nor did I state anywhere that I did believe this. You are mistaking people who's job it is to secure and protect end users from this kind of harm as the victims. The only victims are the people whose computers were infected.
If it is your job to do something and you fail in that task, it is your reponsibility.
If you want a reasonable law on the books relating to this discussion, read up on the HIPAA act.
Putting words in my mouth then attacking them is quite immature as well, Rapmaster.
wait what?
you think sysadmins are the end users?
ask any of them and they will disagree with you, unless they are the only one's using the systems, at which point they do become the victim and aren't reponsible anymore.
They are there to provide security and support for the end users, because the end users can't do it themselves. If the sysadmin doesn't patch a system when theres been a patch made available, it is his fault for leaving the door wide open, not the user of that computer.
So yes, Microsoft should do everything it can to prevent viruses, but I feel it is entirely possible they ARE doing everything they can, and it is time to find a new approach.
So our arguments are inherently the same, except for this point which we happen to disagree upon.
as stated before, companies like Microsoft aren't the victims, the end users are.
If it's my job to protect you, and you are left unprotected, then I have failed my job and thus I am responsible.
In this situation, that is a bad analogy.
A better analogy would be if your home or business was being protected by an onsight security team. If they fail to do their job in protecting you, I fail to see how they are not at fault?
you must remember the only victims here are the end users whose computers were affected by the worm.
Ignorance isn't a valid defense in any court of law.
And for the last time, my statement was not in defense of the Virus Writer.
Communism would have worked as well, if mankind hadn't exploited the system.
It is an issue with human nature, that I agree with; however, to believe that companies like Microsoft, who produce inferior code and only provide patches month after exploits, don't deserve at least some of the blame is completely naive and idiotic.
Both good points, but you must remember that I did not defend the actions of the worm writer.
there a way to tackle the problem "from the source" that would prevent would be spammers and virus creators from WANTING to do these things?
Yea, as a matter of fact, Prosecute application coders and lazy sysadmins for failing to secure their systems. They share at least some of the blame, but accept none of the responsibility.
If you leave your doors unlocked and wide open, why the fuck wouldn't you expect someone to walk right on in?