Do you have any evidence of this sort of abuse? Any? At all?
Every HoA ever. Tumblr. Metafilter. Reddit... Hell, Reddit provides an entire laboratory of experimental evidence of exactly what I claim. In the name of making it exactly the sort of warmer and fuzzier place this Go CoC tries for, we have seen vast swaths of users shadow banned without comment or recourse. Yes, they purged a few hives of scum and villainy, and managed to chase off a few real pieces of shit in the process - And didn't care in the least about the other 90% of casuals that got in the crossfire. Anything goes in the name of "decency", right?
Bullshit. It's perfectly possible to have aggressive, heated disagreements without calling people names. In fact, they tend to be more productive.
I agree with you completely - But more importantly, you agree with me on that point. Now explain how you see "aggressive, heated disagreements" working in a community that bans even "micro"aggressions.
Or might individuals and companies embrace a programming language whose community that is polite and professional?
No, no they won't - When access to the community depends on the mercy of a self-appointed minimod with the power to ban you without recourse... No sane company will touch this with a ten foot pole.
If you read the actual proposal you will see that they have a range of options if someone is out of line.
Yep... Up to "a permanent or temporary ban from some or all Go spaces". Thanks for your five years of contributions, but you made the wrong person look bad without even realizing it - See ya, better luck next career!
The very fact that people keep mentioning Linus as a good example of why we "need" CoCs like this pretty much counts as its own best counterexample. He created the number one operating system in the world (if you include Android's market share), yet communities like this wouldn't even let him hang out in their playpen lest he hurt some poor snowflake's feelings. Yeah, thanks, I'll take a hundred productive-but-no-nonsense Torvalds over a kindler, gentler Gerrand any day.
If you want pablum, stick to Farmville. If you want to join us in the coding trenches, wear asbestos underwear.
Do you really think if your proposal would simllify anything we had it not established thousands of years ago?
By "thousands of years", you realize you actually mean December 1st, 1847?
And you want a great laugh? The entire server-world, along with the internals of most timezone-aware programs, already uses that same magic standard (created in 1847 for the convenience of getting trains and passengers to the same station at the same time): GMT, aka UTC. This radical, idiotic idea of mine already exists and most sane IT folks use it. Though, since end users insist on seeing local time, we still get to deal with all the headaches of time zones and DST and leap seconds and such on the front-end.
Luckily you are not one of those idiots writing time related libraries
You mean those same libraries that need to know a source location, a destination location, and the frickin' date, just to tell you you have a meeting at "8:35PM EDT"? Those same libraries that ubiquitously use UTC internally, as the only possible sane option? Those same libraries that don't just work forever without needing updates several times a year to track political changes in the modern world?
I agree, good thing - Hell, great thing! Waaay too many headaches trying to keep up time zone boundaries that change every time some Ugandan warlord captures a tent on the other side of the river, or the idiots in DC decide to move daylight savings forward or backward a few weeks to pander to various special interest groups. You couldn't pay me enough to maintain that nightmare of a codebase!
What does it mean that we have a meeting at 0:35
It means that your clock and my clock both say 00:35, simple as that.
When is actually the sun rising?
Could you answer that any better if both our clocks say "8:35pm EDT"? Your question doesn't make sense because it lacks enough information to answer it. Do we actually both live on the US East coast? Do you live in Florida or Maine? Midsummer or Halloween?
In any case... Does it matter when the sun comes up? If I accepted your meeting request, it means I can make it. Why do you care whether I attend at solar-noon or sunset or solar-midnight, as long as we both show up when our clocks say "00:35"?
And when I'm supposed to be in my office?
Whenever you and your boss agree you should - What does that have to do with whether you go to work at 8am or 2pm or 2am?
So the meeting at 0:35 is not even at the "same day"?
The question of "same day" also vanishes if you get rid of time zones. 10/30/2015 00:35:00 would to a single point in time, including the day, that everyone on the planet can agree on. It just doesn't need to have any correlation to where we see the Sun.
Which is shifting the goalposts. The submission specifically said
You have chosen to interpret the question in a way that favors your mockery of the OP.
The very fact that you could come back to say "ha-HA, what about $OS, you ignorant fool???" demonstrates that subby clearly has a home-user-centric viewpoint.
Yes, you can rationalize your 100% factually correct response by ignoring that; or, you can encourage someone to better appreciate our world by responding to the "real" question.
When Grandma asks you who makes the best computers, do you answer "Cray", or "HP/Dell/Lenovo"?
(Now, daylight savings time... THAT is something that should be abolished.)
Funny, my first thought as well. We have something that actually serves a useful purpose, leap seconds, and we may get rid of them because a few niche uses of time don't deal well with them... But we keep a historical abomination that wastes energy (exactly contrary to its original goal), provably kills people once a year (25% increase in heart attacks the day following the start of DST), and causes billions of dollars in lost productivity due to having the entire population effectively jet-lagged for a week twice a year???
Personally, I say do away with all three at once. Three, you ask? Throw "time zones" in there as well. We only care about leap seconds and DST in the first place because we want solar noon to fall relatively near local noon. Throw out that one bizarre requirement, and all the rest of this crap becomes a moot point.
All of what you talk about were already part of Unix systems that existed prior
Absolutely true. Now name a desktop OS that had those features at the time.
Yes, technically I had a $15k HP-UX system sitting on my desk at work back then (though amusingly, my Windows PC sitting next to it had about 10x the horsepower for 1/10th the cost), but that doesn't really have much relevance to your average home power-user.
I find it odd that almost every post so far has slammed the OP for romanticizing the dawn of Linux, but it did count as that much of a radical departure from the standard fare of the day. Even if it did nothing more (and it did a lot more) than bring some of the same tools to the desktop that Big Iron had had for decades, that alone completely changed the home PC landscape forever.
Why would how much the other guy get paid affect your worth? You're still getting the same amount, and you're still spending the same on your bills. At best, you could argue that the other guy is not worth that much, but, again, why would you care?
As an isolated experiment at a small company, you have it absolutely correct. It doesn't affect me in the least. And realistically, as an isolated experiment at a small company, they will have the best janitor, the best AP entry clerks, the best mailboy money can buy as a result. Probably great for that one company, on the short term.
Now extrapolate this to a societal-wide change. How much does a hamburger cost when taking the order, cooking it, packaging it, and handing it off to me, each cost McDonald's $0.56 per minute? When the drivers that deliver cases of patties to each store, when the butchers and sorters and packers and assorted other line-workers that created that patty in the first place, when even Billy the retarded farmhand that pushes cows into the death-chute, all make $33.65 an hour? When the lettuce and tomato pickers, and ketchup bottlers, and cheese slice wrappers, and... I'll skip ahead to just summarize this as "the entire supply chain leading to the creation of that hamburger", all cost $269 per day?
What we have here, you already know the name of: Inflation. When everyone makes $1346 a week, $1346 a week is minimum wage. Want proof? Ask the non-techie natives of San Francisco how far a whopping $70k/year gets them.
In other words, you are deriving your worth from being better off than someone else.
Not quite... Even the poorest of the poor in the US can afford their relatively luxurious lifestyle (historically and globally speaking) because a whole lot of poor Mexicans make thirty cents a day picking grapes for us.
Regardless of pay, isn't it more enjoyable to do something difficult and interesting than something menial and easy?
As a hobby - Absolutely! In my spare time, I push my mind and my body to its limits just to see what I can do, and for the satisfaction of saying "I did that!".
As a vocation - I give my employer what it pays me to do. If they want to pay me the same as an entry level accounting clerk, well...
Western culture really needs to get over this "nobility of work" BS. Employment doesn't involve "pride", it involves trading our single most valuable asset - time - for the cash to enjoy what few hours remain after work and sleep. Some of us can offer employers more in a given amount of time, for which we expect more money in return; but in essence, we have all admitted ourselves as whores; only haggling over the price remains.
Would you be able to live on your contracting money if you had to pay all those other costs yourself?
If I upped my contracting time to regularly doing two or three days of work per week? Oh hell yeah I could live comfortably! A guy I worked with at a former client had a motto: 20-20-20, meaning he could work 20 hours a week, take 20 weeks of vacation a year, and still stay on track to retire in 20 years (or something like that, I don't remember the exact wording he used, but that conveys the intent pretty well).
So the obvious followup, why do I bother working a 9-to-5 now? Contracting work (at least for me, though admittedly I don't promote myself, I just get clients by word of mouth) tends to come in irregular waves. I'll have more than I can possibly take on for a month, then nothing for a few months, then a few Saturdays in a row, then nothing for a month, yadda yadda yadda.
The nicest thing about the 9-to-5, I have predictable income. I've chosen to trade raw income for a degree of day-to-day stability. I don't have to worry that a six-month dry spell will mean I can't cover my mortgage.
I don't mean that in the "if you have nothing to hide..." sense, but rather, the whole point of a "burner" comes from the fact that it doesn't have anything to hide on it. You pretty much just revert it to OEM condition before each trip, and if some hostile government-authorized terrorist agency like HSI (formerly ICE) decides to steal it from you (or hell, if a random thief decides to steal it from you), you haven't lost anything but the hardware.
Hey, I completely agree that we shouldn't have to put up with that sort of bullshit or take steps like prepping a burner laptop every time we want to go on vacation; but "securing" it just makes it look even more tempting to the idiots at the gates; similarly for setting up a UI that Officer Shout-and-Taze doesn't immediately recognize as Windows or OS X or Android or iOS.
If you want to make a stand, I fully support you. But if you just want to get on with your day, spare yourself from your own cleverness, and just restore to factory default and give it a highly secure password like "password".
Sorry but I have to ask do you have riots/looting during the blackouts like the ones in NY back when the power went out statewide back in 2003? Or is that just a US thing?
Not really a US thing so much as a dense urban thing.
In the 'burbs, we pretty much just patiently wait for it to come back on - If anything, people get more friendly as they wander out of their dark and boringly TV-less houses to socialize in person for the first time in months. If it stays off heading into evening, often someone will spark up a grill and everyone will gather around to chat and eat - downright congenial.
Though, that doesn't apply so much to a pre-dawn power outage on a work day - Mostly, that just counts as a complete PITA, but still no rioting over it.
Not to sound like too much of a Google apologist, but my entire county lost power (not merely the ability to read Slashdot), this morning. For way, way longer than 48 minutes. And unless you start seeing demons wearing ice skates, I'd bet the farm that I don't get so much as a "sorry", never mind any form of credit for the inconvenience of needing to bathe in cold water poured from a bucket.
But please, don't let me interrupt the Google hate-fest.
Close, but more insidious than even that - My employer actually has a pretty generous policy for continuing education, and although I do end up stuck "keeping the lights on" for 90% of my productive time, I have enough free time on the job to stay on top of new tech.
Instead, I've found that far, far too many companies have a "grass is greener" view of the IT landscape. Rather than recognize the talent they have in-house, they will outsource any cool new fun project they possibly can. I've seen this over and over and over, at multiple companies. "We want to do X" "Hey boss, I know X" "No, we need you to keep C, F, and G running smoothly, we'll outsource this one".
FWIW, I would describe this as the same problem underlying the high "churn" in IT - Unless you jump ship every few years, you will spend the rest of your career supporting legacy systems.
and in ten years it will all be contractors and much much less money.
Hey now, you shouldn't make me snort my coffee from laughing too hard while at work!
As someone who contracts on the side of my 9-to-5 and some years makes more from that extra 10 hours a week than from the entire 9-to-5, I look forward to helping more clients "save" money.
I like what I do, but sure as hell wouldn't put up with the more stressful parts of it if it didn't pay well - I can "like" what I do on my own time with 50% less bullshit involved, and 100% fewer empty suits at the top of the corporate food chain giving me mutually exclusive commands.
"We are an ethical, environmentally friendly company... Oh, but can you help us cheat on those pesky emissions tests?" - Said the CTO to a janitor never.
Because being a janitor can suck if you don't have the mentality for it
I can substitute in an awfully lot of low-skill-low-stress jobs for "janitor" if you prefer, I didn't mean that as a slam on janitors. And 've spent enough time in IT to know exactly how hard "generic bottom-tier office worker" busts their butt - They have Freecell open more often than Excel.
It sounds like it would be no great loss if you quit your job.
Nice ad hominem! Because anyone who would dare admit they work primarily to get a paycheck must suck at what they do, right?
Riiight...
Hey, do I have a deal for you - Come subcontract for me just because you love what you do, and I promise I'll pay you at least what the client's janitor makes. Because hey, he needs to put up with a tedious, repetitive job, while you "only" have contractually specified monetary penalties for missing a project target.
I'm also curious to know if he gave a similar bump in salary to those employees who were already making over $75k.
I wondered that as well - If I made $70k as a highly skilled professional at that company, and suddenly the mail boy jumps from $35k to $70k but I remained at $70k, I'd feel pretty pissed off!
Not because I want others to make less, but because I have put a lot of time and effort and even straight-up money (via college and CE) into making myself worth what I earn. If suddenly that investment doesn't command a premium - Why the hell would I want a difficult job with real responsibilities?
"Hand me that broom - You spend all night figuring out where this ancient code leaks memory!"
No need to convert it (unless your employer drug tests) - Meth itself works great as a decongestant all by itself, at low doses; and hey, better than coffee to get you moving in the morning. XD
The pharmacist already knows PE doesn't work, and these stupid rules annoy them far, far more than they annoy you.
Instead of you just walking up, grabbing what you need, and checking out... You instead have someone making $75+/hr forced to stop whatever useful task they had in progress and waste five minutes of their day to check your ID and have you sign the book, and then they need to store the book on the off chance the DEA decides to chase after allergy sufferers in your area.
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Do you have any evidence of this sort of abuse? Any? At all?
Every HoA ever. Tumblr. Metafilter. Reddit... Hell, Reddit provides an entire laboratory of experimental evidence of exactly what I claim. In the name of making it exactly the sort of warmer and fuzzier place this Go CoC tries for, we have seen vast swaths of users shadow banned without comment or recourse. Yes, they purged a few hives of scum and villainy, and managed to chase off a few real pieces of shit in the process - And didn't care in the least about the other 90% of casuals that got in the crossfire. Anything goes in the name of "decency", right?
Bullshit. It's perfectly possible to have aggressive, heated disagreements without calling people names. In fact, they tend to be more productive.
I agree with you completely - But more importantly, you agree with me on that point. Now explain how you see "aggressive, heated disagreements" working in a community that bans even "micro"aggressions.
Or might individuals and companies embrace a programming language whose community that is polite and professional?
No, no they won't - When access to the community depends on the mercy of a self-appointed minimod with the power to ban you without recourse... No sane company will touch this with a ten foot pole.
If you read the actual proposal you will see that they have a range of options if someone is out of line.
Yep... Up to "a permanent or temporary ban from some or all Go spaces". Thanks for your five years of contributions, but you made the wrong person look bad without even realizing it - See ya, better luck next career!
The very fact that people keep mentioning Linus as a good example of why we "need" CoCs like this pretty much counts as its own best counterexample. He created the number one operating system in the world (if you include Android's market share), yet communities like this wouldn't even let him hang out in their playpen lest he hurt some poor snowflake's feelings. Yeah, thanks, I'll take a hundred productive-but-no-nonsense Torvalds over a kindler, gentler Gerrand any day.
If you want pablum, stick to Farmville. If you want to join us in the coding trenches, wear asbestos underwear.
"Go" fuck yourselves, 'kay?
Hey Andy, have you ever wondered why Plus failed so miserably?
Well, good news - You'll get a second chance to learn this lesson in the very near future!
Only a complete idiot would interpret it that way.
After 9/11, we had "experts" touring the country to teach local PDs how to deliberately misuse the powers of the PATRIOT act for fun and profit.
The problem here has nothing to do with the intent of the law, but rather, that complete idiots will end up the final interpreters of it.
Do you really think if your proposal would simllify anything we had it not established thousands of years ago?
By "thousands of years", you realize you actually mean December 1st, 1847?
And you want a great laugh? The entire server-world, along with the internals of most timezone-aware programs, already uses that same magic standard (created in 1847 for the convenience of getting trains and passengers to the same station at the same time): GMT, aka UTC. This radical, idiotic idea of mine already exists and most sane IT folks use it. Though, since end users insist on seeing local time, we still get to deal with all the headaches of time zones and DST and leap seconds and such on the front-end.
Luckily you are not one of those idiots writing time related libraries
You mean those same libraries that need to know a source location, a destination location, and the frickin' date, just to tell you you have a meeting at "8:35PM EDT"? Those same libraries that ubiquitously use UTC internally, as the only possible sane option? Those same libraries that don't just work forever without needing updates several times a year to track political changes in the modern world?
I agree, good thing - Hell, great thing! Waaay too many headaches trying to keep up time zone boundaries that change every time some Ugandan warlord captures a tent on the other side of the river, or the idiots in DC decide to move daylight savings forward or backward a few weeks to pander to various special interest groups. You couldn't pay me enough to maintain that nightmare of a codebase!
What does it mean that we have a meeting at 0:35
It means that your clock and my clock both say 00:35, simple as that.
When is actually the sun rising?
Could you answer that any better if both our clocks say "8:35pm EDT"? Your question doesn't make sense because it lacks enough information to answer it. Do we actually both live on the US East coast? Do you live in Florida or Maine? Midsummer or Halloween?
In any case... Does it matter when the sun comes up? If I accepted your meeting request, it means I can make it. Why do you care whether I attend at solar-noon or sunset or solar-midnight, as long as we both show up when our clocks say "00:35"?
And when I'm supposed to be in my office?
Whenever you and your boss agree you should - What does that have to do with whether you go to work at 8am or 2pm or 2am?
So the meeting at 0:35 is not even at the "same day"?
The question of "same day" also vanishes if you get rid of time zones. 10/30/2015 00:35:00 would to a single point in time, including the day, that everyone on the planet can agree on. It just doesn't need to have any correlation to where we see the Sun.
Which is shifting the goalposts. The submission specifically said
You have chosen to interpret the question in a way that favors your mockery of the OP.
The very fact that you could come back to say "ha-HA, what about $OS, you ignorant fool???" demonstrates that subby clearly has a home-user-centric viewpoint.
Yes, you can rationalize your 100% factually correct response by ignoring that; or, you can encourage someone to better appreciate our world by responding to the "real" question.
When Grandma asks you who makes the best computers, do you answer "Cray", or "HP/Dell/Lenovo"?
(Now, daylight savings time... THAT is something that should be abolished.)
Funny, my first thought as well. We have something that actually serves a useful purpose, leap seconds, and we may get rid of them because a few niche uses of time don't deal well with them... But we keep a historical abomination that wastes energy (exactly contrary to its original goal), provably kills people once a year (25% increase in heart attacks the day following the start of DST), and causes billions of dollars in lost productivity due to having the entire population effectively jet-lagged for a week twice a year???
Personally, I say do away with all three at once. Three, you ask? Throw "time zones" in there as well. We only care about leap seconds and DST in the first place because we want solar noon to fall relatively near local noon. Throw out that one bizarre requirement, and all the rest of this crap becomes a moot point.
All of what you talk about were already part of Unix systems that existed prior
Absolutely true. Now name a desktop OS that had those features at the time.
Yes, technically I had a $15k HP-UX system sitting on my desk at work back then (though amusingly, my Windows PC sitting next to it had about 10x the horsepower for 1/10th the cost), but that doesn't really have much relevance to your average home power-user.
I find it odd that almost every post so far has slammed the OP for romanticizing the dawn of Linux, but it did count as that much of a radical departure from the standard fare of the day. Even if it did nothing more (and it did a lot more) than bring some of the same tools to the desktop that Big Iron had had for decades, that alone completely changed the home PC landscape forever.
Ah, thank you, that makes a ton of sense!
Why would how much the other guy get paid affect your worth? You're still getting the same amount, and you're still spending the same on your bills. At best, you could argue that the other guy is not worth that much, but, again, why would you care?
As an isolated experiment at a small company, you have it absolutely correct. It doesn't affect me in the least. And realistically, as an isolated experiment at a small company, they will have the best janitor, the best AP entry clerks, the best mailboy money can buy as a result. Probably great for that one company, on the short term.
Now extrapolate this to a societal-wide change. How much does a hamburger cost when taking the order, cooking it, packaging it, and handing it off to me, each cost McDonald's $0.56 per minute? When the drivers that deliver cases of patties to each store, when the butchers and sorters and packers and assorted other line-workers that created that patty in the first place, when even Billy the retarded farmhand that pushes cows into the death-chute, all make $33.65 an hour? When the lettuce and tomato pickers, and ketchup bottlers, and cheese slice wrappers, and... I'll skip ahead to just summarize this as "the entire supply chain leading to the creation of that hamburger", all cost $269 per day?
What we have here, you already know the name of: Inflation. When everyone makes $1346 a week, $1346 a week is minimum wage. Want proof? Ask the non-techie natives of San Francisco how far a whopping $70k/year gets them.
In other words, you are deriving your worth from being better off than someone else.
Not quite... Even the poorest of the poor in the US can afford their relatively luxurious lifestyle (historically and globally speaking) because a whole lot of poor Mexicans make thirty cents a day picking grapes for us.
I just admit that I live in Omelas.
Regardless of pay, isn't it more enjoyable to do something difficult and interesting than something menial and easy?
As a hobby - Absolutely! In my spare time, I push my mind and my body to its limits just to see what I can do, and for the satisfaction of saying "I did that!".
As a vocation - I give my employer what it pays me to do. If they want to pay me the same as an entry level accounting clerk, well...
Western culture really needs to get over this "nobility of work" BS. Employment doesn't involve "pride", it involves trading our single most valuable asset - time - for the cash to enjoy what few hours remain after work and sleep. Some of us can offer employers more in a given amount of time, for which we expect more money in return; but in essence, we have all admitted ourselves as whores; only haggling over the price remains.
Would you be able to live on your contracting money if you had to pay all those other costs yourself?
If I upped my contracting time to regularly doing two or three days of work per week? Oh hell yeah I could live comfortably! A guy I worked with at a former client had a motto: 20-20-20, meaning he could work 20 hours a week, take 20 weeks of vacation a year, and still stay on track to retire in 20 years (or something like that, I don't remember the exact wording he used, but that conveys the intent pretty well).
So the obvious followup, why do I bother working a 9-to-5 now? Contracting work (at least for me, though admittedly I don't promote myself, I just get clients by word of mouth) tends to come in irregular waves. I'll have more than I can possibly take on for a month, then nothing for a few months, then a few Saturdays in a row, then nothing for a month, yadda yadda yadda.
The nicest thing about the 9-to-5, I have predictable income. I've chosen to trade raw income for a degree of day-to-day stability. I don't have to worry that a six-month dry spell will mean I can't cover my mortgage.
Why do you need a "secure" burner laptop?
I don't mean that in the "if you have nothing to hide..." sense, but rather, the whole point of a "burner" comes from the fact that it doesn't have anything to hide on it. You pretty much just revert it to OEM condition before each trip, and if some hostile government-authorized terrorist agency like HSI (formerly ICE) decides to steal it from you (or hell, if a random thief decides to steal it from you), you haven't lost anything but the hardware.
Hey, I completely agree that we shouldn't have to put up with that sort of bullshit or take steps like prepping a burner laptop every time we want to go on vacation; but "securing" it just makes it look even more tempting to the idiots at the gates; similarly for setting up a UI that Officer Shout-and-Taze doesn't immediately recognize as Windows or OS X or Android or iOS.
If you want to make a stand, I fully support you. But if you just want to get on with your day, spare yourself from your own cleverness, and just restore to factory default and give it a highly secure password like "password".
Sorry but I have to ask do you have riots/looting during the blackouts like the ones in NY back when the power went out statewide back in 2003? Or is that just a US thing?
Not really a US thing so much as a dense urban thing.
In the 'burbs, we pretty much just patiently wait for it to come back on - If anything, people get more friendly as they wander out of their dark and boringly TV-less houses to socialize in person for the first time in months. If it stays off heading into evening, often someone will spark up a grill and everyone will gather around to chat and eat - downright congenial.
Though, that doesn't apply so much to a pre-dawn power outage on a work day - Mostly, that just counts as a complete PITA, but still no rioting over it.
when was the last time a whole city lost service?
Not to sound like too much of a Google apologist, but my entire county lost power (not merely the ability to read Slashdot), this morning. For way, way longer than 48 minutes. And unless you start seeing demons wearing ice skates, I'd bet the farm that I don't get so much as a "sorry", never mind any form of credit for the inconvenience of needing to bathe in cold water poured from a bucket.
But please, don't let me interrupt the Google hate-fest.
In order to keep in touch with family and friends, many of whom are non-technical and Facebook is their most sophisticated form of communication?
Granny can handle a phone. Sometimes even email, though Zeus help anyone who opens one of her virus-of-the-week attachments...
Close, but more insidious than even that - My employer actually has a pretty generous policy for continuing education, and although I do end up stuck "keeping the lights on" for 90% of my productive time, I have enough free time on the job to stay on top of new tech.
Instead, I've found that far, far too many companies have a "grass is greener" view of the IT landscape. Rather than recognize the talent they have in-house, they will outsource any cool new fun project they possibly can. I've seen this over and over and over, at multiple companies. "We want to do X" "Hey boss, I know X" "No, we need you to keep C, F, and G running smoothly, we'll outsource this one".
FWIW, I would describe this as the same problem underlying the high "churn" in IT - Unless you jump ship every few years, you will spend the rest of your career supporting legacy systems.
and in ten years it will all be contractors and much much less money.
Hey now, you shouldn't make me snort my coffee from laughing too hard while at work!
As someone who contracts on the side of my 9-to-5 and some years makes more from that extra 10 hours a week than from the entire 9-to-5, I look forward to helping more clients "save" money.
Because shoveling shit is physically exhausting, smells bad, and offers no intellectual satisfaction.
;)
So, much like the rest of daily life in corporate America?
Seriously, I can find plenty of intellectual satisfaction on my own time. I work to make a living.
Because you like your job?
I like what I do, but sure as hell wouldn't put up with the more stressful parts of it if it didn't pay well - I can "like" what I do on my own time with 50% less bullshit involved, and 100% fewer empty suits at the top of the corporate food chain giving me mutually exclusive commands.
"We are an ethical, environmentally friendly company... Oh, but can you help us cheat on those pesky emissions tests?" - Said the CTO to a janitor never.
Because being a janitor can suck if you don't have the mentality for it
I can substitute in an awfully lot of low-skill-low-stress jobs for "janitor" if you prefer, I didn't mean that as a slam on janitors. And 've spent enough time in IT to know exactly how hard "generic bottom-tier office worker" busts their butt - They have Freecell open more often than Excel.
It sounds like it would be no great loss if you quit your job.
Nice ad hominem! Because anyone who would dare admit they work primarily to get a paycheck must suck at what they do, right?
Riiight...
Hey, do I have a deal for you - Come subcontract for me just because you love what you do, and I promise I'll pay you at least what the client's janitor makes. Because hey, he needs to put up with a tedious, repetitive job, while you "only" have contractually specified monetary penalties for missing a project target.
Yeah, didn't think so.
I'm also curious to know if he gave a similar bump in salary to those employees who were already making over $75k.
I wondered that as well - If I made $70k as a highly skilled professional at that company, and suddenly the mail boy jumps from $35k to $70k but I remained at $70k, I'd feel pretty pissed off!
Not because I want others to make less, but because I have put a lot of time and effort and even straight-up money (via college and CE) into making myself worth what I earn. If suddenly that investment doesn't command a premium - Why the hell would I want a difficult job with real responsibilities?
"Hand me that broom - You spend all night figuring out where this ancient code leaks memory!"
If drugs were legalised, do you think they'd all re-train as accountants?
FDR appointed Joe Kennedy as the first chairman of the SEC for a reason.
PS - Just to tweak the /. crowd, guess which party they've bought?
The (D) stands for "Disney".
No need to convert it (unless your employer drug tests) - Meth itself works great as a decongestant all by itself, at low doses; and hey, better than coffee to get you moving in the morning. XD
The pharmacist already knows PE doesn't work, and these stupid rules annoy them far, far more than they annoy you.
Instead of you just walking up, grabbing what you need, and checking out... You instead have someone making $75+/hr forced to stop whatever useful task they had in progress and waste five minutes of their day to check your ID and have you sign the book, and then they need to store the book on the off chance the DEA decides to chase after allergy sufferers in your area.