I don't totally agree with you but I see you're point. I probably should have also said that science has nothing, and should have nothing to do with, religion. I don't believe that there's any value in scientific investigation of religious stories or claims of miracles; because I don't think that religious stories have anything to do with asserting scientific facts. I mean what's the point of saying that water was turned into wine? is it to say that Jesus knew something we don't and that science is therefore a load of c**p? I don't think so - but that's what some people try to say. There's probably a deeper message about God and religion in that story - like Jesus will provide for your soul or something - so what's the point bringing science into it? None. People who do are missing the point of religion. And similarly there's no point bringing religion into science. People who are missing the point of science. All, or course IMHO;)
Funnily enough I am not agnostic or atheist - I have a religion in fact, but I still stand by my statement. Religion and science deal with different things and should not be mixed and I think even the chap who wrote the original article was trying to get at that in a way. It was tough for me to come to terms with but I did it and everyone else should, IMHO.
As an aside, I didn't mean to antagonise people or yourself - but sometimes things need to be stated plainly and in a forthright manner or we're all really screwed.
No offence intended of course - but the article we're commenting on actually suggests that veiled women in science class are less forthcoming - which is bad for scientific study in any country and so I would suggest also bad for the scientific elite. Of course my belief that democracies offer their populace more of a chance to morally invest in their country is base solely on the fact that people can vote for who represents them and one would assume they would vote for someone with the same outlook on life and morality as themselves. You don't get that in a democracy. OK - so I might have offended some people by saying that "religion and science have nothing to do with each other and anyone who even suggests that is making a grave mistake and fool out him/herself and the science s/he studies" and I apologise to anyone who was offended - but do you really think that religious thought and practice have anything to do with what goes on in a science lab? Do you really think that God is hiding behind a Higgs Boson? That's a pretty depressing thought... Sorry you thought I was being arrogant though - I didn't mean to be - I was just stating some facts that I would fight to defend.
The following sentence from the article troubles me greatly: "The near-absence of democracy in Muslim countries is also not an especially important reason for slow scientific development. "
It should be clear to any human being in this world that democracy (and the rule of secular law), though not perfect by any means, leads to a populace who have a moral investment in the country in which they live - and this leads them to think of greater things, such as science, and not the day-to-day issues like how to not be killed for wearing the wrong clothes.
Religion and science have nothing to do with each other and anyone who even suggests that is making a grave mistake and fool out him/herself and the science s/he studies.
... because for the grief that SCO caused the pressure brought out the best in the Linux supporting community and made some of us (well me, anyway) sit up and think about the freedom of software.
It's interesting how this case is coming to a successful conclusion just as GPLv3 is starting to cause even more waves (e.g. Stallman's comments on Linux and Linus (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/12/1227220)).
Personally I think we need to keep being vigilant in protecting free and open software and maybe start to go after those who might destroy that ideal.
Props to Groklaw (for everything), Stallman (for the ideology), SCO (for a very long laugh), Maureen O'Gara (for getting her just desserts), Microsoft (for helping me to identify which companies I should avoid - I.e. anyone they partner with), and Mindjet (for p***ing me off so much that I'm switching to Freemind).
OK - the last two are just because ribbons have screwed my world...
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... and probably not much more now. Cheap as chips and very good.
>> So the obvious solution is that everyone should perform maximum obfuscation/encrypting of data, the idea being that one cannot jail a whole country.
Quite agree! Dibs (http://slashdot.org/articles/03/01/31/1436205.sht ml?tid=126) was always my choice for this; maybe it should be default on all Linux systems...
With respect, http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/ (various articles) and more specifically Bad Science (http://www.badscience.net/?p=470) contain lots of information to counter what you have said in your post. Maybe the 'ignorant' should read what these scientific bloggers have to say...
... and incisive along the lines that I submitted the story and got to first-post it as well but I was beaten to the... err... post. Oh well - I'm still happy to get a story posted and this will spur me on the become even more of a hermit....
The application I mentioned (MindManager [http://www.mindjet.com/]) allows you to add RTF style text notes to each node within a special notes box (which is not standard mind mapping); when you export to MS Word these notes appear in the Word document as body text (and the map's nodes / branches as headings). The notes can acommodate images and tables and the usual RTF formatting. I started with Freemind but that didn't have notes and didn't export to MS Word very well and that was the main feature I was looking for. My usual technique is to map the outline of the "document" using standard mind mapping techniques, often within a workshop, and then use the same map for presentations to management, and as a project plan, and finally as a Word document. It does get a little complicated at times, and at some point the map is cloned to support each function (document / plan / presentation), but it works well. SO you can see that I don't use Mindjet's product as a pure mind mapping tool and I do stretch it's use beyond what one might consider proper mind mapping but it works fine for me.
...specifically with Mindjet's MindManager software (Windows and MacOS only I'm afraid) has made all my documentation work much easier over the past few years. Add Text notes to the map nodes and you can export to HTML, MS Word (gulp...), MS PowerPoint (double gulp...) and text. I can honestly say it has beaten my previous forays with Restructured Text, HTML, Open Office, etc. into a cocked hat. Give it a try...
... if an organisation like Amnesty is getting involved in this way then internet censorship is a real threat that we should all be concerned with. Amnesty really is the hardcore of moral activism. From blood diamonds to the arms trade, from violence against women to the death penalty, and not forgetting the letter writing campaigns, Amnesty doesn't concern itself with minor issues like Microsoft vs Linux or Google taking over the world. I think I might actualy do something to contribute this time...
Looks like the "Bowie Theory" impacts older artists like Bowie and Madonna - who attract an audience of similarly maturing and increasingly wealthy fans; maybe that's why artists can afford to charge more. Hell, "God" (the guitarist - not the diety), U2, Cliff Richard (!) and Jacko has been touring for ages and charging a considerable amount for tickets - well before "Bowie" cottoned on to the idea. Let's get real - this is nothing to do with music downloads, and more to do with crappy old artists trying to milk the public for every last ounce of hard earned... (PS - b*****cks to the extension to copyright that the likes of Cliff Richard are proposing - you made your money boyo - no please go and f*** off...)
I know I'm being picky, but why does the Gmail link in the calendar page goto the http Gmail site and not the Https version? In fact Google Talk does that too. Even Yahoo secure email with https by default.
From the website "Webaroo is a stealth-mode technology startup" which obviously means something very clever... personally I use WinHTTrack on a small number of sites, now if someone offered pre-downloaded WinHTTrack sites...maybe to order... Anyway, more importantly - Dr Who is due back on UK TV soon I think (slightly disappointing end to last series - shame to to see Chris E leave) so here's a joke that Webaroo might like to to 'cache'... "What do Daleks have for a snack?... Dalek bread..." geddit? (thanks to a kids radio show for that one).
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I don't totally agree with you but I see you're point. I probably should have also said that science has nothing, and should have nothing to do with, religion. I don't believe that there's any value in scientific investigation of religious stories or claims of miracles; because I don't think that religious stories have anything to do with asserting scientific facts. I mean what's the point of saying that water was turned into wine? is it to say that Jesus knew something we don't and that science is therefore a load of c**p? I don't think so - but that's what some people try to say. There's probably a deeper message about God and religion in that story - like Jesus will provide for your soul or something - so what's the point bringing science into it? None. People who do are missing the point of religion. ;)
And similarly there's no point bringing religion into science. People who are missing the point of science.
All, or course IMHO
Funnily enough I am not agnostic or atheist - I have a religion in fact, but I still stand by my statement. Religion and science deal with different things and should not be mixed and I think even the chap who wrote the original article was trying to get at that in a way. It was tough for me to come to terms with but I did it and everyone else should, IMHO.
As an aside, I didn't mean to antagonise people or yourself - but sometimes things need to be stated plainly and in a forthright manner or we're all really screwed.
"You don't get that in a democracy." ;)
Of course I meant, "You don't get that in a non-democracy." - it's late
No offence intended of course - but the article we're commenting on actually suggests that veiled women in science class are less forthcoming - which is bad for scientific study in any country and so I would suggest also bad for the scientific elite. Of course my belief that democracies offer their populace more of a chance to morally invest in their country is base solely on the fact that people can vote for who represents them and one would assume they would vote for someone with the same outlook on life and morality as themselves. You don't get that in a democracy. ...
OK - so I might have offended some people by saying that "religion and science have nothing to do with each other and anyone who even suggests that is making a grave mistake and fool out him/herself and the science s/he studies" and I apologise to anyone who was offended - but do you really think that religious thought and practice have anything to do with what goes on in a science lab? Do you really think that God is hiding behind a Higgs Boson? That's a pretty depressing thought
Sorry you thought I was being arrogant though - I didn't mean to be - I was just stating some facts that I would fight to defend.
The following sentence from the article troubles me greatly: "The near-absence of democracy in Muslim countries is also not an especially important reason for slow scientific development. "
It should be clear to any human being in this world that democracy (and the rule of secular law), though not perfect by any means, leads to a populace who have a moral investment in the country in which they live - and this leads them to think of greater things, such as science, and not the day-to-day issues like how to not be killed for wearing the wrong clothes.
Religion and science have nothing to do with each other and anyone who even suggests that is making a grave mistake and fool out him/herself and the science s/he studies.
... because for the grief that SCO caused the pressure brought out the best in the Linux supporting community and made some of us (well me, anyway) sit up and think about the freedom of software.
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It's interesting how this case is coming to a successful conclusion just as GPLv3 is starting to cause even more waves (e.g. Stallman's comments on Linux and Linus (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/12/1227220)).
Personally I think we need to keep being vigilant in protecting free and open software and maybe start to go after those who might destroy that ideal.
Props to Groklaw (for everything), Stallman (for the ideology), SCO (for a very long laugh), Maureen O'Gara (for getting her just desserts), Microsoft (for helping me to identify which companies I should avoid - I.e. anyone they partner with), and Mindjet (for p***ing me off so much that I'm switching to Freemind).
OK - the last two are just because ribbons have screwed my world
... and probably not much more now.
Cheap as chips and very good.
>> So the obvious solution is that everyone should perform maximum obfuscation/encrypting of data, the idea being that one cannot jail a whole country.
t ml?tid=126) was always my choice for this; maybe it should be default on all Linux systems ...
Quite agree! Dibs (http://slashdot.org/articles/03/01/31/1436205.sh
Thanks for the happy memories!
I remember playing some UK election game on the old BBC Micro and plugging together a room-wide ethernet LAN - oh those were the days!
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With respect, http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/ (various articles) and more specifically Bad Science (http://www.badscience.net/?p=470) contain lots of information to counter what you have said in your post. Maybe the 'ignorant' should read what these scientific bloggers have to say
... vote for Cmdr Taco to the senate! Or Sarah Silverman (which would be funnier).
"spur me on TO become even more of a hermit ...."
... and incisive along the lines that I submitted the story and got to first-post it as well but I was beaten to the ... err ... post. ....
Oh well - I'm still happy to get a story posted and this will spur me on the become even more of a hermit
The application I mentioned (MindManager [http://www.mindjet.com/]) allows you to add RTF style text notes to each node within a special notes box (which is not standard mind mapping); when you export to MS Word these notes appear in the Word document as body text (and the map's nodes / branches as headings). The notes can acommodate images and tables and the usual RTF formatting.
I started with Freemind but that didn't have notes and didn't export to MS Word very well and that was the main feature I was looking for.
My usual technique is to map the outline of the "document" using standard mind mapping techniques, often within a workshop, and then use the same map for presentations to management, and as a project plan, and finally as a Word document. It does get a little complicated at times, and at some point the map is cloned to support each function (document / plan / presentation), but it works well.
SO you can see that I don't use Mindjet's product as a pure mind mapping tool and I do stretch it's use beyond what one might consider proper mind mapping but it works fine for me.
...specifically with Mindjet's MindManager software (Windows and MacOS only I'm afraid) has made all my documentation work much easier over the past few years. Add Text notes to the map nodes and you can export to HTML, MS Word (gulp...), MS PowerPoint (double gulp...) and text.
I can honestly say it has beaten my previous forays with Restructured Text, HTML, Open Office, etc. into a cocked hat.
Give it a try...
... actually when I say better, what I really mean is more Sega obsessive... http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2006/01/segas-homest ar-planetarium-reviewed.html
... if an organisation like Amnesty is getting involved in this way then internet censorship is a real threat that we should all be concerned with. ...
Amnesty really is the hardcore of moral activism.
From blood diamonds to the arms trade, from violence against women to the death penalty, and not forgetting the letter writing campaigns, Amnesty doesn't concern itself with minor issues like Microsoft vs Linux or Google taking over the world.
I think I might actualy do something to contribute this time
http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2006/04/animal-cross ing-is-meant-for-girls_12.html
Looks like the "Bowie Theory" impacts older artists like Bowie and Madonna - who attract an audience of similarly maturing and increasingly wealthy fans; maybe that's why artists can afford to charge more. Hell, "God" (the guitarist - not the diety), U2, Cliff Richard (!) and Jacko has been touring for ages and charging a considerable amount for tickets - well before "Bowie" cottoned on to the idea.
Let's get real - this is nothing to do with music downloads, and more to do with crappy old artists trying to milk the public for every last ounce of hard earned...
(PS - b*****cks to the extension to copyright that the likes of Cliff Richard are proposing - you made your money boyo - no please go and f*** off...)
Seems to stay at https for me...
I know I'm being picky, but why does the Gmail link in the calendar page goto the http Gmail site and not the Https version? In fact Google Talk does that too.
Even Yahoo secure email with https by default.
From the website "Webaroo is a stealth-mode technology startup" which obviously means something very clever ... personally I use WinHTTrack on a small number of sites, now if someone offered pre-downloaded WinHTTrack sites ...maybe to order ... ... "What do Daleks have for a snack? ...
Anyway, more importantly - Dr Who is due back on UK TV soon I think (slightly disappointing end to last series - shame to to see Chris E leave) so here's a joke that Webaroo might like to to 'cache'
Dalek bread..." geddit? (thanks to a kids radio show for that one).
A small selection of my favourite rogue countries, in slightly random ascending order (just to build the suspense):
France
UK
Italy
China
Israel
Palestine
Nepal
USA
Iran
Syria
North Korea
Atlantis
... http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?storyid=1113
Thanks for the funniest comment this Xmas - have a good one ;)