Mwah, a carrier is kinda in a league of its own. It's like debating whether or not using a GTC to buy a logistics is worth the edge.
I'm talking about being able to fit an Isthar like this and then going in guns blazing against a Navy Raven, a Raven, a Deimos and a Harbinger solo. Of course in the second fight it got it popped, but heck, I made it back twice from the loot;-)
And to put things in perspective, I tend to look frowningly at my wallet when it drops below about 2.5bil.
You're quite correct - generating free cash and injecting it into the economy causes a trickledown and inflates prices across the game. But at the same time, since EVE does have a lot of destruction in it's game, that's not as critical as it sounds - the more expensive fits people fly, the more isk is destroyed when it explodes, and the edge advantage granted by pimp fitting a ship is not particularly extreme - you can maybe take on 2-3 people of your sizeclass, but against any more you're still going to die.
Come on guys, how hard is this concept to grasp? When a ship blows up, not a single isk leaves the economy...the only things getting blown up are assets. The isk sits safely in the wallet of whoever sold that pimp gear to the pilot getting blown up. If you crash your car on the highway the money you paid for it doesn't magically disappear from the dealer's bank account either, does it?
RMT does not generate isk. Blowing stuff up does not destroy isk. In fact, blowing stuff actually injects a small amount of isk into the economy because of the insurance payout on the ship(note for non-players, insurance is a game mechanic where an ingame organization gives you some cash back when you lose your ship, as opposed to ingame money moving around between actual players).
So how is the fact that player A chooses to spend his time making isk in any way, shape or form related to the issue at hand, being RMT?
What you want to debate is isk sinks and isk faucets, which is a somewhat related subject part of game balancing, but hardly relevant to RMT.
Anyway, in your example you introduce a new source of demand(player C) without accounting for the fact that a new source of supply is bound to show up soon as well(player D perhaps?)
EVE truly does have a mostly free market and it regulates itself pretty damn well. Or are you just complaining that plexes are too expensive?
So far I have yet to encounter a single pilot in combat who by converting rl money into ingame assets managed to actually get a real advantage. People who aren't smart enough to figure out how to earn isk the "proper" way very rarely are able to then put said isk to good use anyway.
Now I'll happily admit to flying some reasonably pimped out stuff myself, but I bought that stuff using isk I made ingame...doing mostly PvP to begin with.
Flying a faction/deadspace fitted nightmare is fun. Flying one in the knowledge that half the mods on it came from people you blew up yourself is so much more satisfying;-)
Ehmmm, not really. Let's do a case by case comparison with player A and player B.
Scenario 1:
Player A pays his subscription the regular way and spends the month earning 1 billion isk. Player B pays his subscription the regular way and spends the month earning 200 million isk.
Scenario 2:
Player B pays his own subscription the regular way and buys a gametime card with real life money. Player A, being very good at making isk, buys the gametime card from player B for a sum of ingame money.
End result of both scenarios is the same. CCP has received the real life money for 2 subscriptions, and the actual amount of isk(ingame money) has not changed. Ergo, no inflation has taken place.
Airbus is built by socialists who believe the state, the institution, etc knows better than the individual. Boeing was (or at least used to be) built by free thinking capitalists who believe in individuality.
This is just a small example of why I dislike socialist philosophy. Because in the end...it'll kill ya! (or your neighbors)
Braaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiinz. Braaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiinz.
As a self-proclaimed free thinker you sure act....bloody brainwashed. Take a step back from the indoctrination you received and turn your brain on for a change. And then use it to evaluate hard facts, not the opinions from the IV in the back of your head.
Oh, as for killing the neighbours...the whole idea of socialism is that if my neighbour happens to lose his job, there's a safety net in place so his kids can keep going to school and don't end up having to mug me in order to get something to eat. And yeah, that safety net comes out of my taxes, and damn am I glad it's there.
Every time I see a Wikipedia article flagged for containing "weasel words" I think "God, give me a break, even 'weasel word' is a weasel word", but this summary should be held up as a shining example to all of exactly what a weasel word is and how much they can slant the entire tone.
"Any program with a "for" or "while" loop in which the results of one iteration"
Think about it... In most real world applications, a for or while loop do depend on some variable in a previous iteration. If something inside a loop does not change you have an infinite loop. Something has to change. In a for loop this is the index variable but in this case, something has changed.
In this example the state of the other slabs of shit don't matter one bit to the one being treated to smell like roses. I'm running 1 production line while I could be running 8 at the same time.
Honestly, it makes me cry each time I see a game max out 1 core of my i7 and stutter at the hard stuff when all the cpu power is just sitting there unused.
Totally, I think if it was truly child porn, they'd do more than shut down the website. They'd find some names and throw them in jail.
If the owners of said names are out of your jurisdiction(read: in another country)...how do you plan on doing that?
I live across the globe and have a hosting account with a US provider. The US can shut my account down if I were to host materials that violated US law, but short of convincing my government to arrest and/or extradite me...wtf are they going to do? Put me on the no-fly list?:P
We will never give them asylum. Imagine how the right wing media would run with that. "TERRORISTS ON AMERICAN STREETS!", sure, we know they aren't terrorist, as would anyone with half a brain willing to read up on these things, but the only proof most of America needs to prove that someone is a terrorist (as sadly evident in this very topic) is "zomg they were in Gitmo!"
Can't you just hear the right wing fear machine grinding happily on that for months.
So, let's see. A groups or multiple groups of people use fear of terror to influence political decision making, in this case stopping what is clearly the "right thing to do" from happening. Who's the supposed terrorist in this scenario again?
As for anyone who wants to debate that giving these guys shelter on US soil is "the right thing to do" (assuming they even fucking want to live there), don't even try. You did the bad thing, and now you have to take responsibility. Not doing so puts the great US of A on the same level as the kindergarten kid who just hit his neighbour on the head with a wooden horse and is trying to convince the teacher that an invisible man did it.
You do your handle proud...who cares about the actual article anyway? Time to repeat the same tired arguments in a partisan mudslinging contest for the umpteenth time!
I have never gotten better support from a vendor's phone line or email cue than I do on IRC. And my fellow Slashdotters should know a thing or two about IRC's failings as a support vehicle (was it even built for that?)
Who cares what it was built for, most of the IRC daemons are open source anyway, so you can make them do whatever you bloody well want;-)
Considering that the average American's face contains more mercury than 100 CFLs (~0.5g per filling, ~0.4mg per CFL), and CFLs are recyclable anyway, this truly smacks of a red herring like the environmental costs of the battery packs in hybrids/EVs.
So the solution to global warming is to...start shooting americans in the face? Or to prevent them getting shot to prevent the mercury from being released into the system? Either you're a terrorist or you're not supporting the troops getting shot in the face as we speak.
Wait, here's a solution! Shoot all the dentists in the face!
Um, how are we at fault when we have a choice of voting for a candidate in bed with big oil or a candidate in bed with big media? Would you prefer that we alternate our special interest groups/corporate masters more frequently?
And that attitude is what I predict will lead to the downfall of the US as a superpower within the next 25 years.
So take your pick. There's 3 options:
1. Your government is rotten to the core and has the "free" press in its pocket, so there is no way any party or even an individual politician can make an entry on the playing field and start turning things around. If this is the case isn't it about time people start exercising that 2nd amendment they keep blathering about? And while you're at it, change the system around so that it isn't "winner takes all" anymore but leaves room for debate on issues that matter outside the campaign period? The whole gun laws/abortion/gay marriage crap is getting a bit old, and it distracts so much from the other stuff.
2. Given enough effort, a 3rd party can in fact start making an impact, hopefully for the better. Start voting for them. Get your friends, family, fellow./ers, etc. to vote for them. Either your vote matters or point 1 applies.
3. Sit around, complain, and watch the place fall apart. Who knows, maybe China and India will learn from your mistakes as they take over.
1) Creationists claim the science doesn't provide thorough enough proof of evolution 2) Evolutionary biologists should fudge their results to re-define something as being proof 3) ??? 4) Profit Something makes me think this scheme would just give creationists a big stick labelled "evolutionists fudge their results; it's all a load of cobblers" to beat the biologists with.
If a Slashdot reader has evolved to the point where he has no sense of humour whatsoever and is therefore incapable of mating with female humans, does that make said Slashdot reader a new species?
Here's another nice one. When copying an excel document from a sharepoint site mounted as a network drive to a word document (as an icon), I first copy the file to an e-mail, and them from the mail to the word doc.
In general, nobody really drinks rosée in wine-drinking country. It's very popular in anglo-saxon countries because it's light flavour makes it easier to drink than proper wine.
Scuse me? I've seen plenty of french folks have a nice chilled rosé in the afternoon on hot days.
I've learned to just skip over any of oelewapperke's posts unless i'm looking for a good laugh. His handle suggests he's from belgium, but his rhetoric more resembles that of some of the "off the scale towards the right" americans we see around/.
Then again we've got our own brand of far-right nutcases in europe, so who knows.
Slashdot Mirror
Heh, that site is hilarious. If I ever find myself with a french girlfriend again I'll have to remember that, even if it hasn't been updated for ages.
Same here. Crayon Physics was awesome, and watching my 4 year old niece play it was even better.
Mwah, a carrier is kinda in a league of its own. It's like debating whether or not using a GTC to buy a logistics is worth the edge.
I'm talking about being able to fit an Isthar like this and then going in guns blazing against a Navy Raven, a Raven, a Deimos and a Harbinger solo. Of course in the second fight it got it popped, but heck, I made it back twice from the loot ;-)
And to put things in perspective, I tend to look frowningly at my wallet when it drops below about 2.5bil.
You're quite correct - generating free cash and injecting it into the economy causes a trickledown and inflates prices across the game. But at the same time, since EVE does have a lot of destruction in it's game, that's not as critical as it sounds - the more expensive fits people fly, the more isk is destroyed when it explodes, and the edge advantage granted by pimp fitting a ship is not particularly extreme - you can maybe take on 2-3 people of your sizeclass, but against any more you're still going to die.
Come on guys, how hard is this concept to grasp? When a ship blows up, not a single isk leaves the economy...the only things getting blown up are assets. The isk sits safely in the wallet of whoever sold that pimp gear to the pilot getting blown up. If you crash your car on the highway the money you paid for it doesn't magically disappear from the dealer's bank account either, does it?
RMT does not generate isk. Blowing stuff up does not destroy isk. In fact, blowing stuff actually injects a small amount of isk into the economy because of the insurance payout on the ship(note for non-players, insurance is a game mechanic where an ingame organization gives you some cash back when you lose your ship, as opposed to ingame money moving around between actual players).
So how is the fact that player A chooses to spend his time making isk in any way, shape or form related to the issue at hand, being RMT?
What you want to debate is isk sinks and isk faucets, which is a somewhat related subject part of game balancing, but hardly relevant to RMT.
Anyway, in your example you introduce a new source of demand(player C) without accounting for the fact that a new source of supply is bound to show up soon as well(player D perhaps?)
EVE truly does have a mostly free market and it regulates itself pretty damn well. Or are you just complaining that plexes are too expensive?
So far I have yet to encounter a single pilot in combat who by converting rl money into ingame assets managed to actually get a real advantage. People who aren't smart enough to figure out how to earn isk the "proper" way very rarely are able to then put said isk to good use anyway.
Now I'll happily admit to flying some reasonably pimped out stuff myself, but I bought that stuff using isk I made ingame...doing mostly PvP to begin with.
Flying a faction/deadspace fitted nightmare is fun. Flying one in the knowledge that half the mods on it came from people you blew up yourself is so much more satisfying ;-)
Ehmmm, not really. Let's do a case by case comparison with player A and player B.
Scenario 1:
Player A pays his subscription the regular way and spends the month earning 1 billion isk.
Player B pays his subscription the regular way and spends the month earning 200 million isk.
Scenario 2:
Player B pays his own subscription the regular way and buys a gametime card with real life money.
Player A, being very good at making isk, buys the gametime card from player B for a sum of ingame money.
End result of both scenarios is the same. CCP has received the real life money for 2 subscriptions, and the actual amount of isk(ingame money) has not changed. Ergo, no inflation has taken place.
Airbus is built by socialists who believe the state, the institution, etc knows better than the individual. Boeing was (or at least used to be) built by free thinking capitalists who believe in individuality.
This is just a small example of why I dislike socialist philosophy. Because in the end...it'll kill ya! (or your neighbors)
Braaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiinz. Braaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiinz.
As a self-proclaimed free thinker you sure act....bloody brainwashed. Take a step back from the indoctrination you received and turn your brain on for a change. And then use it to evaluate hard facts, not the opinions from the IV in the back of your head.
Oh, as for killing the neighbours...the whole idea of socialism is that if my neighbour happens to lose his job, there's a safety net in place so his kids can keep going to school and don't end up having to mug me in order to get something to eat. And yeah, that safety net comes out of my taxes, and damn am I glad it's there.
Every time I see a Wikipedia article flagged for containing "weasel words" I think "God, give me a break, even 'weasel word' is a weasel word", but this summary should be held up as a shining example to all of exactly what a weasel word is and how much they can slant the entire tone.
Weasel word? Nah. Downright inflammatory? Hell yeah.
Basically just a way of getting the european /. readership into the thread with their eyeballs and steam coming out of their ears.
KDawson is very, very good at what he does. Too bad that what he does is trash "journalism" on the same level as, say, the Sun.
"Any program with a "for" or "while" loop in which the results of one iteration"
Think about it... In most real world applications, a for or while loop do depend on some variable in a previous iteration. If something inside a loop does not change you have an infinite loop. Something has to change. In a for loop this is the index variable but in this case, something has changed.
perl alert!!!
while(my $shit = shift(@pile_of_shit))
{
smell_like_roses($shit);
}
In this example the state of the other slabs of shit don't matter one bit to the one being treated to smell like roses. I'm running 1 production line while I could be running 8 at the same time.
Honestly, it makes me cry each time I see a game max out 1 core of my i7 and stutter at the hard stuff when all the cpu power is just sitting there unused.
Totally, I think if it was truly child porn, they'd do more than shut down the website. They'd find some names and throw them in jail.
If the owners of said names are out of your jurisdiction(read: in another country)...how do you plan on doing that?
I live across the globe and have a hosting account with a US provider. The US can shut my account down if I were to host materials that violated US law, but short of convincing my government to arrest and/or extradite me...wtf are they going to do? Put me on the no-fly list? :P
I agree with you completely... but...
We will never give them asylum. Imagine how the right wing media would run with that. "TERRORISTS ON AMERICAN STREETS!", sure, we know they aren't terrorist, as would anyone with half a brain willing to read up on these things, but the only proof most of America needs to prove that someone is a terrorist (as sadly evident in this very topic) is "zomg they were in Gitmo!"
Can't you just hear the right wing fear machine grinding happily on that for months.
So, let's see. A groups or multiple groups of people use fear of terror to influence political decision making, in this case stopping what is clearly the "right thing to do" from happening. Who's the supposed terrorist in this scenario again?
As for anyone who wants to debate that giving these guys shelter on US soil is "the right thing to do" (assuming they even fucking want to live there), don't even try. You did the bad thing, and now you have to take responsibility. Not doing so puts the great US of A on the same level as the kindergarten kid who just hit his neighbour on the head with a wooden horse and is trying to convince the teacher that an invisible man did it.
Waterboarding + Twitter = ....Profit?
You do your handle proud...who cares about the actual article anyway? Time to repeat the same tired arguments in a partisan mudslinging contest for the umpteenth time!
Fucking idiots.
I have never gotten better support from a vendor's phone line or email cue than I do on IRC. And my fellow Slashdotters should know a thing or two about IRC's failings as a support vehicle (was it even built for that?)
Who cares what it was built for, most of the IRC daemons are open source anyway, so you can make them do whatever you bloody well want ;-)
Considering that the average American's face contains more mercury than 100 CFLs (~0.5g per filling, ~0.4mg per CFL), and CFLs are recyclable anyway, this truly smacks of a red herring like the environmental costs of the battery packs in hybrids/EVs.
So the solution to global warming is to...start shooting americans in the face? Or to prevent them getting shot to prevent the mercury from being released into the system? Either you're a terrorist or you're not supporting the troops getting shot in the face as we speak.
Wait, here's a solution! Shoot all the dentists in the face!
Lifting weights with one hand + playing Freecell or Peggle on the other > Wii Fit.
Now, I don't know about you but I generally like the muscles in my body to be somewhat...balanced.
Going through life as a skinny guy with a huuuuuuge left biceps, wonder what the ladies will think about that ;-)
Um, how are we at fault when we have a choice of voting for a candidate in bed with big oil or a candidate in bed with big media? Would you prefer that we alternate our special interest groups/corporate masters more frequently?
And that attitude is what I predict will lead to the downfall of the US as a superpower within the next 25 years.
So take your pick. There's 3 options:
1. Your government is rotten to the core and has the "free" press in its pocket, so there is no way any party or even an individual politician can make an entry on the playing field and start turning things around. If this is the case isn't it about time people start exercising that 2nd amendment they keep blathering about? And while you're at it, change the system around so that it isn't "winner takes all" anymore but leaves room for debate on issues that matter outside the campaign period? The whole gun laws/abortion/gay marriage crap is getting a bit old, and it distracts so much from the other stuff.
2. Given enough effort, a 3rd party can in fact start making an impact, hopefully for the better. Start voting for them. Get your friends, family, fellow ./ers, etc. to vote for them. Either your vote matters or point 1 applies.
3. Sit around, complain, and watch the place fall apart. Who knows, maybe China and India will learn from your mistakes as they take over.
Bah, I've seen the offspring of a 4 kilo terrier and a 35 kilo labrador.
Sure, the little bugger needed to get on the couch to get his groove on, but he still made it ;-)
Puppies were the same size as dad after only a few weeks, didn't make him any less proud though...
1) Creationists claim the science doesn't provide thorough enough proof of evolution
2) Evolutionary biologists should fudge their results to re-define something as being proof
3) ???
4) Profit
Something makes me think this scheme would just give creationists a big stick labelled "evolutionists fudge their results; it's all a load of cobblers" to beat the biologists with.
If a Slashdot reader has evolved to the point where he has no sense of humour whatsoever and is therefore incapable of mating with female humans, does that make said Slashdot reader a new species?
Something to ponder tonight.
Yeeeears ago, I worked in a callcenter where we had a typical homegrown CRM application for logging calls in.
This app had a function under the F6 key that allowed an agent to grab all his open cases from the server so he could work on them.
It also had a function under the F5 key that would grab all cases ever created, melting the server...
Notepad to the rescue...
Here's another nice one. When copying an excel document from a sharepoint site mounted as a network drive to a word document (as an icon), I first copy the file to an e-mail, and them from the mail to the word doc.
In general, nobody really drinks rosée in wine-drinking country. It's very popular in anglo-saxon countries because it's light flavour makes it easier to drink than proper wine.
Scuse me? I've seen plenty of french folks have a nice chilled rosé in the afternoon on hot days.
I've learned to just skip over any of oelewapperke's posts unless i'm looking for a good laugh. His handle suggests he's from belgium, but his rhetoric more resembles that of some of the "off the scale towards the right" americans we see around /.
Then again we've got our own brand of far-right nutcases in europe, so who knows.
If you do that every day...get a van.
If you do it once a year...hire a van.