I present the typical late-afternoon car chases in Los Angeles (where the fugitives in question know full well that there are news choppers out filming it)
...and they wouldn't be getting into the chase if it wasn't for the news helicopters? I think that's pretty unlikely in the vast majority of cases.
I also present the concept of the 'copycat killer'
Again, it's not clear, but are you suggesting the news is squarely to blame for the actions of (some) copycat killers?
If news organizations were even halfway responsible creatures, we would get an unbiased listing of events.
What makes you think that wouldn't be enough to send someone off on a killing spree?
I think there are plenty of much better examples of irresponsible reporting you could have found than suggesting they ignore car chases.
Since when is human knowledge the test for whether any computation is happening?
Are you sure anyone's referring to human knowledge? I've only skimmed it but got the impression that their criterion is that there is some information (in the new-fangled sense) to be had at the end of it - it doesn't have to interpreted by a human, it simply has to be available (to a human, or a cat, or a particle in the vicinity).
If I've speculated at all it's only been to highlight the folly of attempting to do so on the motivations and thought processes of anyone involved in this incident based on news reports.
With the millions of people who visit the area every year, it is absolutely guaranteed that there have been confrontations of all kinds.
The fatal outcome notwithstanding, this would still have been one of the more newsworthy ones.
I'm still not seeing why the assumed high number of non-fatal confrontations or any of the facts in this particular case should automatically lead to the conclusion that the cops over-reacted here.
You do understand that the reports are that she did eventually stop, did exit the vehicle and then was shot. How do you reconcile that with the above?
No, I didn't know that, which is exactly my point. Now I do know, but what you've written is literally all I know about it. For all I know she could have then done anything number of things that gave the cops reason to use deadly force. Equally, she may have fully complied and someone just got trigger-happy. Who knows? Not me. Not yet.
There have been precisely zero attempted attacks there - ok there was a crazy guy who tried to climb the fence a few years back, but he was just crazy not malicious.
Didn't someone try to fly a small plane into the building once? And someone else shot out some windows a few years ago?
That makes pretty much every other scenario more likely.
Not if the other scenarios have never happened either, and even so probability of occurence is not the sole factor in formulating a response. If someone brandishes a firearm in the street over here they're quite likely to get themselves shot or tasered, despite it being more likely* to be a replica.
*disclaimer: I don't actually know this for a fact, I'm just using it as a plausible scenario.
It's looking more like everyone and his dog is leaping to all manner of conclusions based on sketchy news reports and would do well to sit back and wait for the story to unfold for a while longer. Something, incidentally, that a cop in the heat of a dangerous situation doesn't have the luxury of doing.
4) was scared shitless for herself and her baby and took off
If so, sorry for her but she, for whatever reasons, made a decision that led - quite straightforwardly - to her death. What would you like the cops to do when, after drawing weapons and ordering a suspect to get out, they instead spin their wheels and drive off? Should everyone be allowed to do that three times before they got shot instead of one?
To me, this looks like a case of cops who have been militarized to the point of neglecting training on de-escalation.
To me, based on what I've seen and read so far, this looks like a case of cops bringing a dangerous high-speed pursuit to an end, and that's all I know so far. I'm not saying you're wrong, but we can let time tell on that one easily enough.
they should have realized that it was just the far more likely scenario of a regular citizen finding herself in an unfamiliar and threatening situation.
Have you run the numbers on that? How often does someone drive into barriers outside a high-profile building, speed away from armed police when ordered to stop, and then it all turns out to be a completely innocent mistake? Again, I'm not saying your conclusion is wrong, just that it's too early to jump to it.
but I find it hard to believe you could get much of an explosion out of a balloon's worth.
a) No explosion would always be preferable to any explosion in this case.
b) Any idea what kind of explosion you'd get from a pressurised cylinder's worth of hydrogen? Cos that's where it waits before it goes into the balloons.
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I present the typical late-afternoon car chases in Los Angeles (where the fugitives in question know full well that there are news choppers out filming it)
...and they wouldn't be getting into the chase if it wasn't for the news helicopters? I think that's pretty unlikely in the vast majority of cases.
I also present the concept of the 'copycat killer'
Again, it's not clear, but are you suggesting the news is squarely to blame for the actions of (some) copycat killers?
If news organizations were even halfway responsible creatures, we would get an unbiased listing of events.
What makes you think that wouldn't be enough to send someone off on a killing spree?
I think there are plenty of much better examples of irresponsible reporting you could have found than suggesting they ignore car chases.
Since when is human knowledge the test for whether any computation is happening?
Are you sure anyone's referring to human knowledge? I've only skimmed it but got the impression that their criterion is that there is some information (in the new-fangled sense) to be had at the end of it - it doesn't have to interpreted by a human, it simply has to be available (to a human, or a cat, or a particle in the vicinity).
We're all waiting to claim post 42, of course.
I would not eat meat if I found the producer advocating or allowing inhumane treatment however.
Lucky there's a standard definition of "inhumane treatment" that we all agree on.
Oh, wait...
Except, of course, for the internal damage. Y'know, the damage that's inside the car. Where you can't see it. The clue's in the name.
Apple weren't involved when she made the recordings, so no.
Murder is now legal, so long as you don't take a picture as proof.
Bah, then what's the point? Might as well give up murderin'.
how about making pubescent, which has distinct, verifiable markers, be the age of consent?
Uh huh. On which date did you turn pubescent?
Maybe Hallmark need to start selling "Happy Pubescence Day!" cards.
With the millions of people who visit the area every year, it is absolutely guaranteed that there have been confrontations of all kinds.
The fatal outcome notwithstanding, this would still have been one of the more newsworthy ones.
I'm still not seeing why the assumed high number of non-fatal confrontations or any of the facts in this particular case should automatically lead to the conclusion that the cops over-reacted here.
I'm going to totally date myself here
It's okay. No-one will judge your life choices here.
It makes comparing two phones harder because you won't know which of them is "cheating."
I got that for Christmas once, but there were never enough pieces for everyone to play.
You do understand that the reports are that she did eventually stop, did exit the vehicle and then was shot. How do you reconcile that with the above?
No, I didn't know that, which is exactly my point. Now I do know, but what you've written is literally all I know about it. For all I know she could have then done anything number of things that gave the cops reason to use deadly force. Equally, she may have fully complied and someone just got trigger-happy. Who knows? Not me. Not yet.
There have been precisely zero attempted attacks there - ok there was a crazy guy who tried to climb the fence a few years back, but he was just crazy not malicious.
Didn't someone try to fly a small plane into the building once? And someone else shot out some windows a few years ago?
That makes pretty much every other scenario more likely.
Not if the other scenarios have never happened either, and even so probability of occurence is not the sole factor in formulating a response. If someone brandishes a firearm in the street over here they're quite likely to get themselves shot or tasered, despite it being more likely* to be a replica.
*disclaimer: I don't actually know this for a fact, I'm just using it as a plausible scenario.
to detect the marine coelenterate and kill it.
I don't like the way they use the singular there...
I don't know what everyone's complaining about. $12.50 comes under "Up To $15,000," and I'll give up to $1,000,000 to anyone can prove me wrong!
It's looking more like everyone and his dog is leaping to all manner of conclusions based on sketchy news reports and would do well to sit back and wait for the story to unfold for a while longer. Something, incidentally, that a cop in the heat of a dangerous situation doesn't have the luxury of doing.
4) was scared shitless for herself and her baby and took off
If so, sorry for her but she, for whatever reasons, made a decision that led - quite straightforwardly - to her death. What would you like the cops to do when, after drawing weapons and ordering a suspect to get out, they instead spin their wheels and drive off? Should everyone be allowed to do that three times before they got shot instead of one?
To me, this looks like a case of cops who have been militarized to the point of neglecting training on de-escalation.
To me, based on what I've seen and read so far, this looks like a case of cops bringing a dangerous high-speed pursuit to an end, and that's all I know so far. I'm not saying you're wrong, but we can let time tell on that one easily enough.
they should have realized that it was just the far more likely scenario of a regular citizen finding herself in an unfamiliar and threatening situation.
Have you run the numbers on that? How often does someone drive into barriers outside a high-profile building, speed away from armed police when ordered to stop, and then it all turns out to be a completely innocent mistake? Again, I'm not saying your conclusion is wrong, just that it's too early to jump to it.
Open the blast doors! Open the blast doors!
It's clear that XMir has turned into a larger project than Canonical had originally anticipated, but that's hardly surprising.
Isn't "something you didn't anticipate" almost the defintion of "a surprise"?
*facepalm* on my part.
*facepalm* on your face like everyone else. Dirty boy.
...Cackles Maniacally And Rubs Hands With Glee.
No, it's obvious he was planning to become an illegal immigrant and conceal himself in plain sight among the natives.
if (text contains 'Natalie Portman' && text contains 'grits') temperature='steamy';
but I find it hard to believe you could get much of an explosion out of a balloon's worth.
a) No explosion would always be preferable to any explosion in this case.
b) Any idea what kind of explosion you'd get from a pressurised cylinder's worth of hydrogen? Cos that's where it waits before it goes into the balloons.
Thank you Captain Multiplication.
Operation "Duplex-Barbara" went as far as imagining a three-pronged invasion from points near Neufchâtel
Pfft. I've imagined way crazier stuff than this in my time.