1) i cannot write software for it without a license to develop, because the phone is locked down
then buy a license! bfd. same is true for iphone.
2) once i write something for it, it cannot share that code with my friends even if they also had a windows phone, because the phone is locked down
buy a license and post it to the store, so anyone can download it. and they have to have windows phones duh.
3) the phone cannot work as a usb drive, it is locked down and can only sync data via closed protocols or closed applications
then... get a usb drive? call me crazy. I have one on my keychain.
4) the battery drains very quickly, this is just a problem for this model
so it has nothing to do with windows phone, but you're going to hold microsoft at fault.
5) there is no decent browser on the phone, it has internet explorer that does not handle many of the basic things a browser should do like implement createElementNS()
just use ffx for windows phone if it's a big deal for you.
6) i cannot write c++ code for this phone, this phone need C#, or javascript or maybe some other CIL based programming language
an opportunity to improve your skills?
7) this phone is product of a company with a very bad track record which uses the profits of its other monopolies to bully itself into this market
yeah but it also uses its brain trust and size to develop really good programs to leapfrog others.
8) because windows phones are so locked down, like apple devices are, they are the bringing about the end of digital freedoms for consumers
and nothing of value was lost...
9) the phone is riddles with licence agreement and dialogs that want you to give away all your data. for example, the first time you run Internet Explorer on Windows Phone, it will ask you: "Do you want to share you browser history with Microsoft so we can [...]? {YES) (CANCEL)." The use of 'CANCEL" implies that IE wont start, thus bullying people into clicking YES.
better than google, which just takes all your data without asking.
don't care. as long as they have the big apps. After going through an iphone infatuation phase, i hardly download apps anyway. boo hoo it's missing wall paper app from chinese dude. I prefer if it just has apps from the big boys.
Difficulty of porting apps from other phones
as a consumer, not my problem. to the extent it makes it difficult for fart apps to port, i'm fine with it.
Horrible networking APIs
as a consumer, not my problem.
Not open
who gives a f? all the nerds can get their droids and do cyanowhatever.
From a company with a history of screwing people
umm, so is BMW (made tanks in WWII) but that doesn't stop people from buying them.
Prefer a simple feature phone.
then this whole thread is irrelevant for you so keep your opinions to yourself.
He's a douche. He committed crimes against u s a. He's lucky he wasn't extraordinary renditioned or we didn't land two dozen navy seals in his back yard.
...paid for by taxes and fees. how else are you going to pay for public services?
But as long as 911 is something society in general has decided is a good thing, then society in general needs to pay for it.
...for example, paid through a $1/month surcharge on cell phone lines?
Call me naive, but i'm not seeing the evil evil here. If att were billign $1 per 911 call (eg 1-900-911), then that might be somethign to get upset about, but otherwise what's the big deal.
lmgtfy: vmo plas run 35-55, with a special promotional 30 plan for the new iphone. cricket has just a 55 plan which is equivalent in features to the vmo 55 plan. so the iphone comes out CHEAPER than the htc in TCO.
ok. direct me to the laptop that is that thin for 15" and 220ppi screen. I really want to buy something that it technically "better". oh yeah ideally it should cost less than the mbp as well. i await your answer.
2. You are supposed to responsibly dispose of batteries. That can be rather difficult if they are non replaceable.
you can take any apple product into an apple store and they will dispose of it properly for you. they probably have a mail-in service as well. best buy has a similar program. you can sell old hardware in an amazon buy-back program and get a couple bucks. you can flip it on craigslist. So don't pretend that you need to throw the whole thing in the trash.
I don't feel that continued broadening of executive power without oversight mechanisms is a good thing to do.
the problem is, the power of "rogue states" has increased several fold over the past 15 years or so. 9/11, subway attacks, wmds, training camps overseas. US needs expanded capabilities to meet these threats. this has been accomplished through broadening of executive power. This is one possible mechanisms, and others are viable i suppose. i would rather that obama have additional powers, rather than the army for example.
the ipad battery can be replaced by apple for $129. you give them your ipad, they give you a refurbished ipad. Not sure how they're going to replace the batteries on the macbook pro with retina display. I will be paying close attention to this issue.
I have this hair, could you slice it for me. you stated that androids were available prepaid, while iphones were not. fact: you are incorrect. iphones are currently available prepaid on Cricket. having been proven incorrect and obtuse on that argument, you back up to a second argument that android phones are cheaper prepaid than androids. I'll direct you the point *I already made* in an earlier post. "I'm sure that if apple still made the iphone 3g for vmo it would cost $200 and give you comparable quality as your $100 android. btw i have a $130 lg optimus on vmo, and it sucks ass."
In short, please stop posting if you are out of arguments.
justice is a construct for domestic matters. In international matters, the standard is "war crime". As long as obama is not committing a war crime, then he's good to go with his list or whatever.
terrorism is political act through violent means. when the us or any actual country does it it's called war and other countries respond in kind. that's what big boys do.
i don't understand what the big deal is. For a century war was synonymous with anonymous death and destruction by the hundreds or thousands. now that we can precisely target a single individual (seals, helicopters, bullet in brain) instead of blowing up an entire apartment building, people come out of the woodwork crying about the human rights of that individual. But when it was scores of anonymi nobody cared.
that's not apples to apples because there aren't any old iphones available pre-paid. on VMo you can get a iphone 4 for $500 or an iphone 4s for $650, and pay $30/month service. I'm sure that if apple still made the iphone 3g for vmo it would cost $200 and give you comparable quality as your $100 android. btw i have a $130 lg optimus on vmo, and it sucks ass.
so you agree for post-paid contracts, there is no price difference between android and iphone, and on the low end (e.g. $0 with contract) iphone is a significantly better value.
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It's about as bad as when automotive bought up streetcar lines to destroy them and replace them with buses.
citation needed, also false, and makes no sense.
1) i cannot write software for it without a license to develop, because the phone is locked down
then buy a license! bfd. same is true for iphone.
2) once i write something for it, it cannot share that code with my friends even if they also had a windows phone, because the phone is locked down
buy a license and post it to the store, so anyone can download it. and they have to have windows phones duh.
3) the phone cannot work as a usb drive, it is locked down and can only sync data via closed protocols or closed applications
then... get a usb drive? call me crazy. I have one on my keychain.
4) the battery drains very quickly, this is just a problem for this model
so it has nothing to do with windows phone, but you're going to hold microsoft at fault.
5) there is no decent browser on the phone, it has internet explorer that does not handle many of the basic things a browser should do like implement createElementNS()
just use ffx for windows phone if it's a big deal for you.
6) i cannot write c++ code for this phone, this phone need C#, or javascript or maybe some other CIL based programming language
an opportunity to improve your skills?
7) this phone is product of a company with a very bad track record which uses the profits of its other monopolies to bully itself into this market
yeah but it also uses its brain trust and size to develop really good programs to leapfrog others.
8) because windows phones are so locked down, like apple devices are, they are the bringing about the end of digital freedoms for consumers
and nothing of value was lost...
9) the phone is riddles with licence agreement and dialogs that want you to give away all your data. for example, the first time you run Internet Explorer on Windows Phone, it will ask you: "Do you want to share you browser history with Microsoft so we can [...]? {YES) (CANCEL)." The use of 'CANCEL" implies that IE wont start, thus bullying people into clicking YES.
better than google, which just takes all your data without asking.
Lack of apps.
don't care. as long as they have the big apps. After going through an iphone infatuation phase, i hardly download apps anyway. boo hoo it's missing wall paper app from chinese dude. I prefer if it just has apps from the big boys.
Difficulty of porting apps from other phones
as a consumer, not my problem. to the extent it makes it difficult for fart apps to port, i'm fine with it.
Horrible networking APIs
as a consumer, not my problem.
Not open
who gives a f? all the nerds can get their droids and do cyanowhatever.
From a company with a history of screwing people
umm, so is BMW (made tanks in WWII) but that doesn't stop people from buying them.
Prefer a simple feature phone.
then this whole thread is irrelevant for you so keep your opinions to yourself.
"Windows phone is an immature OS"
a quote? from where? [citation needed]
i've played with it at the microsoft store and like it a lot. if it comes to VMo for a reasonable price (ie $150) i'll get one.
i dont get it.
[citation needed]
He's a douche. He committed crimes against u s a. He's lucky he wasn't extraordinary renditioned or we didn't land two dozen navy seals in his back yard.
911 is a public service.
...paid for by taxes and fees. how else are you going to pay for public services?
But as long as 911 is something society in general has decided is a good thing, then society in general needs to pay for it.
...for example, paid through a $1/month surcharge on cell phone lines?
Call me naive, but i'm not seeing the evil evil here. If att were billign $1 per 911 call (eg 1-900-911), then that might be somethign to get upset about, but otherwise what's the big deal.
bahahaha
and my phone company just tacked on an extra $1/month for 911 service
Those greedy bastards!
what's your point? VMo, $30 / month, $550 iphone 4. how is that not the low end/???
lmgtfy: vmo plas run 35-55, with a special promotional 30 plan for the new iphone. cricket has just a 55 plan which is equivalent in features to the vmo 55 plan. so the iphone comes out CHEAPER than the htc in TCO.
sounds like a place to keep my bitcoins...
ok. direct me to the laptop that is that thin for 15" and 220ppi screen. I really want to buy something that it technically "better". oh yeah ideally it should cost less than the mbp as well. i await your answer.
2. You are supposed to responsibly dispose of batteries. That can be rather difficult if they are non replaceable.
you can take any apple product into an apple store and they will dispose of it properly for you. they probably have a mail-in service as well. best buy has a similar program. you can sell old hardware in an amazon buy-back program and get a couple bucks. you can flip it on craigslist. So don't pretend that you need to throw the whole thing in the trash.
lame. you could buy a 3rd party battery on amazon for $30. if you choose to spend $150, don't complain about it.
I don't feel that continued broadening of executive power without oversight mechanisms is a good thing to do.
the problem is, the power of "rogue states" has increased several fold over the past 15 years or so. 9/11, subway attacks, wmds, training camps overseas. US needs expanded capabilities to meet these threats. this has been accomplished through broadening of executive power. This is one possible mechanisms, and others are viable i suppose. i would rather that obama have additional powers, rather than the army for example.
the ipad battery can be replaced by apple for $129. you give them your ipad, they give you a refurbished ipad. Not sure how they're going to replace the batteries on the macbook pro with retina display. I will be paying close attention to this issue.
btw the iphone 4 is available on cricket for $400 and your htc evo is on vmo for $300, so the price disparity is small at best.
I have this hair, could you slice it for me. you stated that androids were available prepaid, while iphones were not. fact: you are incorrect. iphones are currently available prepaid on Cricket. having been proven incorrect and obtuse on that argument, you back up to a second argument that android phones are cheaper prepaid than androids. I'll direct you the point *I already made* in an earlier post. "I'm sure that if apple still made the iphone 3g for vmo it would cost $200 and give you comparable quality as your $100 android. btw i have a $130 lg optimus on vmo, and it sucks ass."
In short, please stop posting if you are out of arguments.
justice is a construct for domestic matters. In international matters, the standard is "war crime". As long as obama is not committing a war crime, then he's good to go with his list or whatever.
terrorism is political act through violent means. when the us or any actual country does it it's called war and other countries respond in kind. that's what big boys do.
iphone 4 and 4gs available on cricket and VMo. Please confirm that you are incorrect. I await your answer.
i don't understand what the big deal is. For a century war was synonymous with anonymous death and destruction by the hundreds or thousands. now that we can precisely target a single individual (seals, helicopters, bullet in brain) instead of blowing up an entire apartment building, people come out of the woodwork crying about the human rights of that individual. But when it was scores of anonymi nobody cared.
hypocritical, right?
that's not apples to apples because there aren't any old iphones available pre-paid. on VMo you can get a iphone 4 for $500 or an iphone 4s for $650, and pay $30/month service. I'm sure that if apple still made the iphone 3g for vmo it would cost $200 and give you comparable quality as your $100 android. btw i have a $130 lg optimus on vmo, and it sucks ass.
so you agree for post-paid contracts, there is no price difference between android and iphone, and on the low end (e.g. $0 with contract) iphone is a significantly better value.