I was at a winery a few weeks ago, sampling a few things. There was one wine from a local grape that I was interested in trying, about 2 years old apparently. The owner was the one doing the serving. He poured it up for me and asked what I though. I told him I thought it tasted young, wasn't as full bodied as the merlot I'd just tried previously. Suggested it might be a bit better with time. He had a funny look on his face, and said try again. I did, and had the same thoughts.
He then showed me the bottle. It was a special reserve they'd just pulled out from 2001 selling for 50$ a bottle. Not the wine I thought I was trying. He suddenly went all wine snob on me hehe:)
Walked out with a couple of 10$ bottles that I liked much better:)
Interestingly, I have had a recent change of heart with respect to Bourbon. Having only ever sampled crap like Jim Beam and Wild Turkey didn't exactly make me want to partake again, and I happily moved over to Scotch. However, I was in Kentucky this summer and went on a few Bourbon tours. There are actually some very good Bourbons being made today, some very nice small batch stuff that is not blended, and is aged quite nicely. Apparently up until the mid 80's or so, NO bourbon was aged more than 4 years or so. But the distillers realized there was actually a market for something a bit better than that. (No shit;)
Buffalo Trace is one distiller that makes some nice bourbon. Go for any small batch or aged bottling. Jim Beam actually does make a good whiskey called Knob Creek...trust me, it ain't your standard Jim Beam. Woodford Reserve is actually very good as well.
Now, it's still no Scotch, but there is indeed some very nice and drinkable bourbon out there!
Er, there are a lot of different kinds of whiskey. Bourbon is aged in new, charred oak casks. Most of the flavor in bourbon comes from the barrel. These barrels are used once. Used bourbon barrels are then sold to other spirit makers, and sometimes beer brewers. (Samuel adams uses barrels from the Buffalo Trace distillery in Kentucky.)
Scotch whiskey does NOT use fresh charred barrels. When aging Scotch, it is very important NOT to impart too much flavor from the barrel as this overpowers the natural flavors in the whiskey itself. Scotch is aged in a variety of barrels, including used sherry barrels, used bourbon barrels, etc.
And yes, whiskey does indeed stop aging once it is bottled.
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What, because VB doesn't allow two members to share the same name even if one is capitalized and the other not? That's the only difference and is arguably not a bad feature.
Private _blah As Integer Public Property Blah() As Integer
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Return _blah
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So, where's my cookie?
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Er, turn on option strict and option explicit and try that. By default, there are a lot of things in the VB.Net environment to make it behave a bit more like VB6, but that doesn't make it a good idea to do so.
Trust me, VB.Net is not more dynamic than C#, and it is not far more powerful.
Granted, XML Literals are a cool feature in VB9. For a while there, C# and VB.Net were converging, and pretty much came perfectly in line with each other feature wise. Now they're starting to diverge again. C# appears to be trying to remain clean and concise, while VB.Net appears to be trying to extend the language a fair bit more.
At the moment, things don't differ much. It's mostly user preference. But the tools are diverging, and in the future, just remember to pick the right tool for the job...not just your favorite tool just because.
Heck, if Bush gets his bailout pushed through, they'll need at least a few trees to print all that shiny new money won't they?
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ehh? You do realize that VB.Net is not VB6. When you choose to not use the Microsoft.VisualBasic namespace, which merely contains an abstraction layer to allow VB6 programmers to be more comfortable in.Net, it actually hardly merits the name VB.
For the most part, the only differences between c# and vb.net are syntax. Begin...End, For...Next control structures rather than brackets is the biggest difference.
I wrote c# at my last job for a couple of years. At my current shop, they're a vb shop and brought me in to bring things up to.Net. Since all the current devs were vb6 devs, they wanted the easiest path for them to migrate into.Net, thus I had to start working in VB.Net. At first, I dreaded it..but very quickly realized that it's all just.Net, and the VB.Net and C# languages are very comparable, both being just as easy to work in.
Bottom line, you like curly braces? Use c#. Don't care? Then use whichever you like.
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Either a troll, flamebait, or spoken in ignorance. Languages evolve, and anyone that knows c++ and c# knows that what you have stated is patently untrue. Not interested? Then don't bother, but until you do your research, please refrain from throwing in your apparent 2 cents worth...it's not really worth that much.
As has been stated already, the CLR is in fact a standard, and c# has more in common with Java than with c++. It's an evolutionary language, and it is very popular for a lot of very good reasons. But you'd know that if you cared to bother looking into it.
Part of the problem with recumbent uptake is that they are extremely unsafe on roadways where there is vehicular traffic due to their much lower visibility. It's basically suicidal to ride one in the city on roadways, as unfortunate as that may be.
Been running the same config of litestep sheesh...8 years now. Only running a couple modules these days, but things Windows has been missing forever that I just can't live without and should have been available well over a decade ago. Integrated command shell and virtual/multiple desktops. Takes up all of 5MB on disk(Includes all kinds of themes and cruft I don't need but haven't bothered to dump ever) and 8MB memory. It is truly pathetic that windows STILL doesn't contain comparable features.
Er, not that I agreed with you but you had me at least somewhat convinced you had a reasonably critical view on movies...until you stated you liked There Will be Blood and No Country For Old Men.
I tried to like them, I really did, but they sucked. They sucked hard and long. They were two of the biggest wastes of movie time I've ever experienced. They both tried _way_ too hard to be intelligent and above what they really were, and blew it completely. I swear, the people involved in making those movies need to go back and read Icarus again.
I felt dumber for having watched them, and conned for having paid to do so.
Personally, I liked Pan's Labyrinth, and it wasn't for the makeup, art, cinematography or any of that. It was the mood, setting and story above all else. But hey, obviously YMMV.
Interesting how you can switch so quickly between isolating FF and comparing it to IE. Which is it? Care to make up your mind?
In the context of this thread, one has to take the stance that a comparison is being made. As such, you're spouting bullshit.
Compared to IE, ALL of those points damned well are innovative.
Every single one of those points are things that FF is or does that IE still does not, and yet IE is still good enough for anybody in your book. You're starting to sound like Dana Carveys Grumpy Old Man.
You even admit that Addons were innovative...and yet IE's still fully comparable, despite having no such feature.
I need to stop, this is pathetic. Actually, I should be congratulating you, this is turning into one of the best and longest troll's ever on/. You're putting on a very good fishing expedition without doubt. Kudos to you.
I have an opinion right now. Considering the number of posts you've made in this thread, and the lack of anything substantial being said other than to counter what others have said...IMHO you are indeed trolling.
No actually, you don't. You make assumptions about my experience and abilities, nothing more. You read into what I said purely what you wish to read into it to support your stance, even though it is simply not there.
You state that I must think that learning a new language is as simple as keyword substitution. That's simply retarded, of course it's not that simple. Once you know the syntax for a couple of different languages, you'd better be able to pick up the syntax for a new language quickly, but that has almost nothing to do with learning a new language. One's experience with programming in a language or two should give them the background to know what needs to be done regardless of the language. Then it's a matter of learning how to do those things properly in the new language. Granted, some will be easier to pick up than others. Note that I did not say that someone that has been writing VB for 10 years should be able to jump right into C/C++.
For myself, I learned how to program using C++. I have coded a bit of C, and know that should I need to, I could very quickly become quite productive in C. I then went on to do a lot of web stuff, writing a lot of back end code in C++, and a lot of client code in JavaScript. In the past 5 years, I've been using mostly C#. Picking up C# at that time was a joke from a language perspective, the learning was in the libraries, but that was a matter of learning about the bits and pieces required to do the job as they were encountered. At my latest job, it's a VB shop which I was brought in to to lead the way in moving development over from VB to.Net. Since it's a VB shop, I'm using VB.Net. Trust me, it was not a problem to pick up VB.Net. I've also had to pick up a lot of maintenance on a number of VB6 apps...again not a problem. I've managed to make vast improvements to a lot of that code as well.
But yes, I'm sure you're right, I'd never be able to pick up Java without quitting my day job and going back to school for 3 years. My experience with software design patterns, architecture and algorithms would be all but useless in a Java world of course;)
I'm just about to pick up my first PHP project. Never used it before. A contact knowing my experience came to me and asked me if I'd be willing to pick it up. He knows that from my experience I will be able to pick it up quickly, and more importantly, once I do I'll be writing quality code. We both know there will be a learning curve, but we both know it will be fairly short. He thinks things will work out better bringing a good programmer with lots of real world experience in that has to learn the language over a green programmer that's only ever used PHP, or a programmer with only web dev experience that has lots of php experience that has only been mediocre at best. If he knew a great PHP programmer with lots of experience, then that would be the way to go of course, but he doesn't, and it's not important enough a point to put a lot of energy into finding one.
Good programmers are good programmers, period. Good programmers with lots of experience are going to be able to pick up new languages better than poor programmers or programmers with little experience.
1) You list AJAX along with Pearl and Python in a list to be compared against C, C++ and Java. Here's a hint:
Pick the item from the list that doesn't belong: C C++ Java Pearl Python AJAX
2) Er, shitty set of current (popular) programming languages? We have NEVER had such a choice in programming languages as we do now. There are a LOT of popular programming languages right now. C, C++, C#, VB, VB.Net, Pearl, Python, Java, Javascript, Ruby, Eiffel, Tcl for starters.
Care to go back 15 years and provide me with the list of better, popular languages at that time?
Don't think you're flaming, but I also don't think you have a clue as to what you're talking about.
Yes, obviously, because everyone I know, including myself, has only ever had dev jobs using Java.
Er, not.
That's just stupid. Likely you've been working with Java in your experience, but I know tons of people that have never touched it at their place of work, including myself.
Further, at this point, it doesn't matter that I don't 'know' Java. I do 'know' half a dozen languages and if I should ever come across a job that I can't get _because_ I don't 'know' Java, then I've simply vetted a company that I know I do not want to work for.
Languages are tools, and once you know how to use a number of tools it becomes much easier to pick up new tools.
Problem is, too many people try to take that time during the typically quite limited amount of time you actually have available in any given day to interact with your children.
Coming home after work, eating dinner, then setting the kid in front of the TV while you go and game for a while...not good. Not good at all. There is no reason for it, and no excuse for it. Spend that time with your child. Play with them, interact with them. Trust me, it's WAY more satisfying and you get so much more out of it than you could from any game (or porn or whatever). You've got lots of time after they go to bed for yourself.
Some people don't learn this until it's too late. Some people never learn this. My son is 5 already, never ceases to amaze me how fast that 5 years has gone by. I always always always choose to spend time with him over time for myself, and not once have I even remotely had any sort of regret for that. I know I won't feel regret over it when he's 10, 15 20...either.
Don't get me wrong, kids do need to learn how to take time for themselves. But they will. That's when I usually get chores done, or get meals made etc. I always seem to have ample time in the evenings for myself.
Kids really are the best source of entertainment you could ever hope to find, as long as you're willing to take part.
Ehh? Zero hull loss is not achievable so actual values shouldn't be compared to that? Zero crashes certainly does have meaning...precisely this: "Zero Crashes" It's not the 'new math', it's not an abstract concept, it's simply Zero Crashes.
Unfortunate that hitting that metric is not likely, but it is most certainly possible...and I for one DO want that to be the number compared to and aimed for.
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Yeah, I know, surprised me too!
From what I can tell, Jim Beam simply owns Knob Creek, but I'm pretty sure it's a completely separate distillery.
I was at a winery a few weeks ago, sampling a few things. There was one wine from a local grape that I was interested in trying, about 2 years old apparently. The owner was the one doing the serving. He poured it up for me and asked what I though. I told him I thought it tasted young, wasn't as full bodied as the merlot I'd just tried previously. Suggested it might be a bit better with time. He had a funny look on his face, and said try again. I did, and had the same thoughts.
He then showed me the bottle. It was a special reserve they'd just pulled out from 2001 selling for 50$ a bottle. Not the wine I thought I was trying. He suddenly went all wine snob on me hehe :)
Walked out with a couple of 10$ bottles that I liked much better :)
Interestingly, I have had a recent change of heart with respect to Bourbon. Having only ever sampled crap like Jim Beam and Wild Turkey didn't exactly make me want to partake again, and I happily moved over to Scotch. However, I was in Kentucky this summer and went on a few Bourbon tours. There are actually some very good Bourbons being made today, some very nice small batch stuff that is not blended, and is aged quite nicely. Apparently up until the mid 80's or so, NO bourbon was aged more than 4 years or so. But the distillers realized there was actually a market for something a bit better than that. (No shit ;)
Buffalo Trace is one distiller that makes some nice bourbon. Go for any small batch or aged bottling.
Jim Beam actually does make a good whiskey called Knob Creek...trust me, it ain't your standard Jim Beam.
Woodford Reserve is actually very good as well.
Now, it's still no Scotch, but there is indeed some very nice and drinkable bourbon out there!
Er, there are a lot of different kinds of whiskey. Bourbon is aged in new, charred oak casks. Most of the flavor in bourbon comes from the barrel. These barrels are used once. Used bourbon barrels are then sold to other spirit makers, and sometimes beer brewers. (Samuel adams uses barrels from the Buffalo Trace distillery in Kentucky.)
Scotch whiskey does NOT use fresh charred barrels. When aging Scotch, it is very important NOT to impart too much flavor from the barrel as this overpowers the natural flavors in the whiskey itself. Scotch is aged in a variety of barrels, including used sherry barrels, used bourbon barrels, etc.
And yes, whiskey does indeed stop aging once it is bottled.
What, because VB doesn't allow two members to share the same name even if one is capitalized and the other not? That's the only difference and is arguably not a bad feature.
Private _blah As Integer
Public Property Blah() As Integer
Get
Return _blah
End Get
Set(ByVal value As Integer)
_blah = value
End Set
End Property
So, where's my cookie?
Er, turn on option strict and option explicit and try that. By default, there are a lot of things in the VB.Net environment to make it behave a bit more like VB6, but that doesn't make it a good idea to do so.
Trust me, VB.Net is not more dynamic than C#, and it is not far more powerful.
Granted, XML Literals are a cool feature in VB9. For a while there, C# and VB.Net were converging, and pretty much came perfectly in line with each other feature wise. Now they're starting to diverge again. C# appears to be trying to remain clean and concise, while VB.Net appears to be trying to extend the language a fair bit more.
At the moment, things don't differ much. It's mostly user preference. But the tools are diverging, and in the future, just remember to pick the right tool for the job...not just your favorite tool just because.
Heck, if Bush gets his bailout pushed through, they'll need at least a few trees to print all that shiny new money won't they?
ehh? You do realize that VB.Net is not VB6. When you choose to not use the Microsoft.VisualBasic namespace, which merely contains an abstraction layer to allow VB6 programmers to be more comfortable in .Net, it actually hardly merits the name VB.
For the most part, the only differences between c# and vb.net are syntax. Begin...End, For...Next control structures rather than brackets is the biggest difference.
I wrote c# at my last job for a couple of years. At my current shop, they're a vb shop and brought me in to bring things up to .Net. Since all the current devs were vb6 devs, they wanted the easiest path for them to migrate into .Net, thus I had to start working in VB.Net. At first, I dreaded it..but very quickly realized that it's all just .Net, and the VB.Net and C# languages are very comparable, both being just as easy to work in.
Bottom line, you like curly braces? Use c#. Don't care? Then use whichever you like.
Either a troll, flamebait, or spoken in ignorance.
Languages evolve, and anyone that knows c++ and c# knows that what you have stated is patently untrue. Not interested? Then don't bother, but until you do your research, please refrain from throwing in your apparent 2 cents worth...it's not really worth that much.
As has been stated already, the CLR is in fact a standard, and c# has more in common with Java than with c++. It's an evolutionary language, and it is very popular for a lot of very good reasons. But you'd know that if you cared to bother looking into it.
Part of the problem with recumbent uptake is that they are extremely unsafe on roadways where there is vehicular traffic due to their much lower visibility. It's basically suicidal to ride one in the city on roadways, as unfortunate as that may be.
Also appears to be standard operating procedure in NCIS and Criminal Minds.
Here's a hint, and I quote:
about yet another huge breach of privacy by Facebook
Second that.
Been running the same config of litestep sheesh...8 years now. Only running a couple modules these days, but things Windows has been missing forever that I just can't live without and should have been available well over a decade ago. Integrated command shell and virtual/multiple desktops. Takes up all of 5MB on disk(Includes all kinds of themes and cruft I don't need but haven't bothered to dump ever) and 8MB memory. It is truly pathetic that windows STILL doesn't contain comparable features.
Er, not that I agreed with you but you had me at least somewhat convinced you had a reasonably critical view on movies...until you stated you liked There Will be Blood and No Country For Old Men.
I tried to like them, I really did, but they sucked. They sucked hard and long. They were two of the biggest wastes of movie time I've ever experienced. They both tried _way_ too hard to be intelligent and above what they really were, and blew it completely. I swear, the people involved in making those movies need to go back and read Icarus again.
I felt dumber for having watched them, and conned for having paid to do so.
Personally, I liked Pan's Labyrinth, and it wasn't for the makeup, art, cinematography or any of that. It was the mood, setting and story above all else. But hey, obviously YMMV.
Interesting how you can switch so quickly between isolating FF and comparing it to IE. Which is it? Care to make up your mind?
In the context of this thread, one has to take the stance that a comparison is being made. As such, you're spouting bullshit.
Compared to IE, ALL of those points damned well are innovative.
Every single one of those points are things that FF is or does that IE still does not, and yet IE is still good enough for anybody in your book. You're starting to sound like Dana Carveys Grumpy Old Man.
You even admit that Addons were innovative...and yet IE's still fully comparable, despite having no such feature.
I need to stop, this is pathetic. Actually, I should be congratulating you, this is turning into one of the best and longest troll's ever on /. You're putting on a very good fishing expedition without doubt. Kudos to you.
Now excuse me while I get off your lawn.
I have an opinion right now. Considering the number of posts you've made in this thread, and the lack of anything substantial being said other than to counter what others have said...IMHO you are indeed trolling.
Opinions are indeed wonderful aren't they?
Obviously you're simply here to waste time, I'm sure you're thoroughly amused right about now.
Can't get Flash to work in IE7, so you do use FF on occasion, but IE7 is still at least as good as FF and preferable.
But it's all good cause you've got the 1337 system, you da man! Keep it up, it'll be quittin time fore ya know it ehh?
No actually, you don't. You make assumptions about my experience and abilities, nothing more. You read into what I said purely what you wish to read into it to support your stance, even though it is simply not there.
You state that I must think that learning a new language is as simple as keyword substitution. That's simply retarded, of course it's not that simple. Once you know the syntax for a couple of different languages, you'd better be able to pick up the syntax for a new language quickly, but that has almost nothing to do with learning a new language. One's experience with programming in a language or two should give them the background to know what needs to be done regardless of the language. Then it's a matter of learning how to do those things properly in the new language. Granted, some will be easier to pick up than others. Note that I did not say that someone that has been writing VB for 10 years should be able to jump right into C/C++.
For myself, I learned how to program using C++. I have coded a bit of C, and know that should I need to, I could very quickly become quite productive in C. I then went on to do a lot of web stuff, writing a lot of back end code in C++, and a lot of client code in JavaScript. In the past 5 years, I've been using mostly C#. Picking up C# at that time was a joke from a language perspective, the learning was in the libraries, but that was a matter of learning about the bits and pieces required to do the job as they were encountered. At my latest job, it's a VB shop which I was brought in to to lead the way in moving development over from VB to .Net. Since it's a VB shop, I'm using VB.Net. Trust me, it was not a problem to pick up VB.Net. I've also had to pick up a lot of maintenance on a number of VB6 apps...again not a problem. I've managed to make vast improvements to a lot of that code as well.
But yes, I'm sure you're right, I'd never be able to pick up Java without quitting my day job and going back to school for 3 years. My experience with software design patterns, architecture and algorithms would be all but useless in a Java world of course ;)
I'm just about to pick up my first PHP project. Never used it before. A contact knowing my experience came to me and asked me if I'd be willing to pick it up. He knows that from my experience I will be able to pick it up quickly, and more importantly, once I do I'll be writing quality code. We both know there will be a learning curve, but we both know it will be fairly short. He thinks things will work out better bringing a good programmer with lots of real world experience in that has to learn the language over a green programmer that's only ever used PHP, or a programmer with only web dev experience that has lots of php experience that has only been mediocre at best. If he knew a great PHP programmer with lots of experience, then that would be the way to go of course, but he doesn't, and it's not important enough a point to put a lot of energy into finding one.
Good programmers are good programmers, period. Good programmers with lots of experience are going to be able to pick up new languages better than poor programmers or programmers with little experience.
Nice assumptions you make there, and yet you know nothing about me or my experience and abilities. But carry on with your rant :)
I've got two major problems with your post.
1) You list AJAX along with Pearl and Python in a list to be compared against C, C++ and Java. Here's a hint:
Pick the item from the list that doesn't belong:
C
C++
Java
Pearl
Python
AJAX
2) Er, shitty set of current (popular) programming languages? We have NEVER had such a choice in programming languages as we do now. There are a LOT of popular programming languages right now. C, C++, C#, VB, VB.Net, Pearl, Python, Java, Javascript, Ruby, Eiffel, Tcl for starters.
Care to go back 15 years and provide me with the list of better, popular languages at that time?
Don't think you're flaming, but I also don't think you have a clue as to what you're talking about.
Yes, obviously, because everyone I know, including myself, has only ever had dev jobs using Java.
Er, not.
That's just stupid. Likely you've been working with Java in your experience, but I know tons of people that have never touched it at their place of work, including myself.
Further, at this point, it doesn't matter that I don't 'know' Java. I do 'know' half a dozen languages and if I should ever come across a job that I can't get _because_ I don't 'know' Java, then I've simply vetted a company that I know I do not want to work for.
Languages are tools, and once you know how to use a number of tools it becomes much easier to pick up new tools.
Er, what do you think playing games or reading books for pure entertainment is?
It is purely escapism, plain and simple.
Quite surprised that people here don't seem to equate playing games with escapism (based on the +5 insightful to your comment).
Problem is, too many people try to take that time during the typically quite limited amount of time you actually have available in any given day to interact with your children.
Coming home after work, eating dinner, then setting the kid in front of the TV while you go and game for a while...not good. Not good at all. There is no reason for it, and no excuse for it. Spend that time with your child. Play with them, interact with them. Trust me, it's WAY more satisfying and you get so much more out of it than you could from any game (or porn or whatever). You've got lots of time after they go to bed for yourself.
Some people don't learn this until it's too late. Some people never learn this. My son is 5 already, never ceases to amaze me how fast that 5 years has gone by. I always always always choose to spend time with him over time for myself, and not once have I even remotely had any sort of regret for that. I know I won't feel regret over it when he's 10, 15 20...either.
Don't get me wrong, kids do need to learn how to take time for themselves. But they will. That's when I usually get chores done, or get meals made etc. I always seem to have ample time in the evenings for myself.
Kids really are the best source of entertainment you could ever hope to find, as long as you're willing to take part.
Ehh? Zero hull loss is not achievable so actual values shouldn't be compared to that?
Zero crashes certainly does have meaning...precisely this: "Zero Crashes"
It's not the 'new math', it's not an abstract concept, it's simply Zero Crashes.
Unfortunate that hitting that metric is not likely, but it is most certainly possible...and I for one DO want that to be the number compared to and aimed for.
Er, hardly a Troll there mods. It's definitely personal opinion, (And one that I would have to agree with from personal experience), but not a troll.