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Movie Review, Hellboy II

Although I'm not sure the corporate overlords will let me retroactively expense a movie ticket, I wanted to take a few minutes to write my review of Hellboy II. It's been a pretty good summer for movies already: but Wall-E and Iron Man were pretty much perfect A movies. I was a big fan of the original Hellboy comic, the first movie, and of Pan's Labyrinth- my fear was that it could only go downhill. And I was wrong. VERY wrong. Read on for my review which will be mostly spoiler free. Getting a babysitter is enough work that I don't get to see nearly as many movies these days as I would like. But I knew Hellboy II had to be sitter-worthy. But I was scared going in. I always thought of Hellboy as being a comic with thick chunky lines. Bold colors. Broad brush strokes. Guillermo Del Toro's previous film is Pan's Labyrinth, and if ever a film maker has made a movie with detailed, intricate, subtle work, it was him. I was afraid that he would take a film that was so unlike the comic book that I would lose out on a favorite director and a favorite comic book at the same time. But i was so wrong.

The movie starts off far more funny than the first Hellboy. This is very much in keeping with the quirky ad campaign that has been promoting the film (the inside the actor's studio commercial for example is quite funny). Hellboy is once again Ron Pearlman- the genius bit of casting that made the first movie so great is a huge win for any sequel. He's tired of working for the BPRD in secret and is going out of his way to be spotted by the real world. But a mythos of ancient elves is working to retrieve and unify some widgets to awaken a golden army of indestructible robots, and it's up to our heroes to stop it from happening.

The elven world is very much Del Toro's designs. Likewise, an extended sequence through a secret troll market hidden under the brooklyn bridge gives him a great canvas to paint his stylistic genius. And seeing the big and clumsy Hellboy smash through it is incredibly satisfying. The action sequences are all excellent, and the final robot battle is very fun and well done.

All the while this is done with some nice plot twists for the major characters. A love interest for Abe comes along. A new good guy is sent in from the BPRD to reign in our uncontrollable hero: Krauss is voiced by Seth Macfarlane basically doing his fish char from American Dad, but inside a wacky suit controlled by ectoplasm vapors. Selma Blair is back as Liz: they give her some good lines and a few good sequences, but she's mainly a support role.

So Guillermo Del Toro was able to work within Mike Mignola's world. He put his own thumbprints all over the work, and the whole comes out better than the sum of the parts. And this makes me all the more excited for the Hobbit, where I have all the same concerns: Tolkein and Jackson will give him even bigger shoes to fill, and now I think he can do it.

277 comments

  1. Spoilers eh by TychoCelchuuu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Haven't read the review because it is "mostly spoiler free," which seems to me like manufacturing something that is "mostly carcinogenic free." If someone has a problem with spoilers, it's unlikely they're going to read the review on the off chance you've only spoiled the stuff they didn't care about and not the stuff they did.

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    1. Re:Spoilers eh by quarrel · · Score: 3, Funny

      You should come to California.

      "This airport is known to be carcinogenic", "This restaurant cooks using ingredients known to be carcinogenic", "You will die a cancerous death if you travel on this highway".. Or words to that effect are all over..

      So Taco, like California, is just trying to cover his ass from the inevitable whiners..

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    2. Re:Spoilers eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I would call this review spoiler-free. People who get upset at the amount of detail in this review are not worth typing the extra word "mostly" to placate them.

      A new good guy. Love interest for major character. The final battle is with--get this--"The Golden Army."

      "Mostly" spoiler-free? Duhoookay...

    3. Re:Spoilers eh by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      I remember seeing those signs for the first time when I went to San Francisco last year. I was across the street from my hotel and kind of did double-take when I saw it.

      Hey, at least they're being honest.

    4. Re:Spoilers eh by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I saw the movie already, and this review still spoiled stuff for me.

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    5. Re:Spoilers eh by Sancho · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which is stupid. When you browse to the Slashdot front page and see a story entitled, "Hellboy II review," you should assume that there will be details about Hellboy 2. If you're that sensitive to spoilers, you don't click. We should save the "contains spoilers" tag for serious discussions about plot points, not "may contain information about the subject matter."

    6. Re:Spoilers eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another place I've seen cancer warnings in California is places that sell junk trinkets from China. Be careful what you buy.

    7. Re:Spoilers eh by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      I saw the movie already, and this review still spoiled stuff for me.

      Me too, I was spoiled with details about the Hobbit movie! >.<

    8. Re:Spoilers eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Warning: This device contains matter, which is known by the state of California to cause warpage of space and time. This device also contains extraordinary amounts of stored energy in its physical matrix. Handle with care.

    9. Re:Spoilers eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wrong. If you see a story entitled "Hellboy II review" you should assume it will tell you the author's opinion of the movie, without spoilers. Well written reviews should not contain spoilers, and there is no need for them to.

    10. Re:Spoilers eh by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, at least they're being honest.

      Bah, they're being paranoid. Why don't they just engrave a message in our corneas that reads "Warning: Life causes Death."

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    11. Re:Spoilers eh by Mrs.+Grundy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know exactly what you mean. It was just yesterday I opened a book by Harold Bloom on novels and just a few paragraphs in I find out the Gilberte marries Robert Saint-Loup somwhere in Proust's Remembrance of Things Past I totally didn't see that coming and now it's ruined for me forever. But I shouldn't have been nosing around in the book in the first place if I didn't want a spoiler.

    12. Re:Spoilers eh by cleatsupkeep · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hey, at least they're being honest.

      Bah, they're being paranoid. Why don't they just engrave a message in our corneas that reads "Warning: Life causes Death."

      Does it really? Someone should do a study.

    13. Re:Spoilers eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you want a review that discusses no plot points beyond "It contains a big red guy named Hellboy"? I didn't see anything in this review that I'd call a spoiler.

    14. Re:Spoilers eh by Phairdon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Review does not mean Summary. The movie critic profession lives on providing advice as to whether or not a movie is worth seeing, not to provide summaries of the movie. A good reviewer can tell you if a movie is good without resorting to listing a summary.

    15. Re:Spoilers eh by Kamokazi · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      We'll need some grant money for that study. We should hit up a big company with a lot of money...like Prudential Life Insurance.

      Hmm...they say they'll give us all we need, with just a few conditions...

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    16. Re:Spoilers eh by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      Now, kids, go out and play in the fresh air, which contains cancer causing chemicals, and the sunshine, which causes skin cancer.

      Hey, just bein' honest.

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    17. Re:Spoilers eh by reverseengineer · · Score: 5, Funny

      If someone does that study, and finds the expected 100% correlation between life and death, the report of that study on /. will undoubtedly be greeted with "Correlation != causation" posts.

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    18. Re:Spoilers eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus man, that was the next book i was going to read. Thanks for ruining it for me. Sheesh, warn a person. We need some kind of system to show that a post may contain information that would spoil the plot of something. Like Warning: Important Plot information contained herein that may take away from your enjoyment of said material . Something nice and concise like that. Short, simple and to the point.

    19. Re:Spoilers eh by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      engraving messages into your corneas has been known to cause cancer.

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    20. Re:Spoilers eh by Markspark · · Score: 1

      yeah.. but life is seldom the cause of death.. at least not in the coroners handbook.. leading a hard life however.. ;)

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    21. Re:Spoilers eh by zoogies · · Score: 1

      They should change the wording on those warning labels:

      WARNING: This product contains materials, such as lead, which are known to cause cancer in the state of California. No worries though, hop on over to Nevada and you'll be alright.

    22. Re:Spoilers eh by CowboyNealOption · · Score: 1

      Just wait until these signs have little disclaimer signs attached to them: "Reading signs may cause undue paranoia"

    23. Re:Spoilers eh by penguin_dance · · Score: 1

      Spoiler: Luke's father is Darth Vader!

      Oops...nevermind....

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    24. Re:Spoilers eh by Rihahn · · Score: 1

      Nah. I say remove all of the warning labels and let the problem resolve itself.

    25. Re:Spoilers eh by jacks0n · · Score: 3, Funny

      Rosebud is a sled.

    26. Re:Spoilers eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "His ass" - Why is it a man?

    27. Re:Spoilers eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for ruining it for me genius! I came here looking for a Hellboy review and this is what I get - a Proust spoiler. Damn it! I hate that Loup guy, he get's all the girls!

      =P

    28. Re:Spoilers eh by linuxwrangler · · Score: 1

      Life, n: A 100% terminal sexually-transmitted condition.

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    29. Re:Spoilers eh by linuxwrangler · · Score: 1

      The one that cracks me up is "spare the air" days. Pollution is at unhealthy levels. Avoid exercise. Use alternate transportation like, um, your bicycle.

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    30. Re:Spoilers eh by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      If someone does that study, and finds the expected 100% correlation between life and death, the report of that study on /. will undoubtedly be greeted with "Correlation != causation" posts.

      It's true that many times that someone writes an article about a correlation, he gets lots of "correlation != causation" flames from slashdotters. But you can't necessarily infer that a study about life and death will be greeted by such flames. It may be that posting "correlation != causation" flames on slashdot, causes researchers to write stories about life and death.

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    31. Re:Spoilers eh by ksd1337 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but would you die for your life?

    32. Re:Spoilers eh by painehope · · Score: 2, Interesting
      On a lighter note, my insurance company actually called me up to tell me that if I took out a life insurance policy, it would reduce my car insurance enough that I would actually save about ten bucks a month. And I'd have life insurance as well.

      Bear in mind, I have 2 DWIs, a billion tickets, totalled quite a few vehicles, etc. I don't know if they're crazy (and just want to sell life insurance, damn the other departments) or someone has calculated the odds on my living to see 30 and feels sorry for whoever will be making my funeral arrangements.

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    33. Re:Spoilers eh by painehope · · Score: 1
      You should come to Texas. All of my firearms come w/ stickers and tags that say "Not to be sold in the states of CA/blah-blah". And my cigarette pack says "Warning : Cigarette smoke contains carbon monoxide".

      Fuck it - at least I don't have to worry about cancer.

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    34. Re:Spoilers eh by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Life, n: A 100% terminal STD.

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    35. Re:Spoilers eh by jackb_guppy · · Score: 1

      There is a Hobbit movie!?! You spoiled that for me!

    36. Re:Spoilers eh by mscholin · · Score: 1

      Someone should make one of these for it.

    37. Re:Spoilers eh by getuid() · · Score: 1

      "Warning: Life causes Death."

      Not only that -- it's genetically transmitted. If your parents had it, you have it *for sure*.

    38. Re:Spoilers eh by FishAdmin · · Score: 1
      Ah, yes. Every time I buy a fishing lure or product (sinkers, leader, etc) I get the warning:

      "WARNING!: This product conatins lead, a chemical known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects and other reproductive harm. Harmful if swallowed."

      Well, thank goodness I live in Indiana, then! Whew! It only causes cancer in CALIFORNIA! Not to mention the "harmful if swallowed" tag; a fishing lure is harmful if I swallow it? REALLY?!

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    39. Re:Spoilers eh by Jurily · · Score: 1

      There's a big robot fight at the end.

      BTW I don't even know what Hellboy is.

    40. Re:Spoilers eh by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      And to give kudos to the reviewer, there were no spoilers of any material kind in the review given.

      The previews 'spoiled' more of the movie than that review did.

      Of course, I have a friend who won't watch movie previews because they ruin the movie.

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    41. Re:Spoilers eh by Kashgarinn · · Score: 1

      "If someone does that study, and finds the expected 100% correlation between life and death, the report of that study on /. will undoubtedly be greeted with "Correlation != causation" posts."

      - And you know what? they'd actually be completely correct. Life does not cause death.

    42. Re:Spoilers eh by RabidMoose · · Score: 1

      So who's your insurance company? These sound like people I might want to do business with.

    43. Re:Spoilers eh by painehope · · Score: 1
      State Farm. They have to be fucking crazy. Especially considering the fact that I damn near totalled my truck (dodging a squirrel, hit a brick mailbox) the week before they sent me a postcard asking me to call them.

      So I called...thinking it was something to do with my truck (dreading that it was "...and we're cancelling your insurance, you fucking psycho"). Nope. They wanted to tell me that if I also purchased life insurance, my premium would go down enough to cover the life insurance and save me a few hundred a year.

      Don't ask me...I thought I did some weird shit on drugs, but this takes the fucking cake.

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  2. Second best movie... by firefly4f4 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I've seen all year behind Iron Man.

    Loved the visuals, and the song scene had me nearly rolling on the theatre floor with laughter.

    1. Re:Second best movie... by trrwilson · · Score: 2, Funny

      My body is a temple.
      No, it's an amusement park.

  3. Disappointed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I went into it with high hopes, but was largely disappointed. It seemed to barely be about hellboy. While the visuals, background and world were interesting and appealing, they seemed to me to be a completely separate franchise, that very distinctly left the world created in the first one.

    Thought the "new" character was an epic disappointment as well.

    Felt like the director wanted to make a movie primarily about something else, and dragged hellboy along for the ride in a bit role.

    1. Re:Disappointed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Why flamebait?) Can't agree more! First Hellboy was a masterpiece. But this one lacks the essence and soul of the original one. It feels just like another bollywood melodrama - just a bit more real (ah, the irony).

      Shallow character development, no action (I am not an action freak, but come on, this is Hellboy - let him smash few things in all his glory!!), and those new characters - wtf? As for the golden army, the biggest anticlimax of the year!

      Del Toro just killed the main character, figuratively of course!

    2. Re:Disappointed by theTrueMikeBrown · · Score: 1

      I too was disappointed.

      The movie had nothing to do with the original hell boy.

      The review had nothing to do with the movie as well.

      My review would go like this:

      There were these two robots and they stick it to the man and save the environment.

      It was a good movie, though.

    3. Re:Disappointed by n9uxu8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm glad to see this...I was beginning to think I was the only one. I *loved* the original Hellboy, but very nearly walked out on this one. Bad pacing and everything, and I do mean everything, felt telegraphed. Maybe if they had tried developing a character or something...oh wait...Abe drank a beer...

    4. Re:Disappointed by Talian · · Score: 1

      I did like the tooth fairies though =)

    5. Re:Disappointed by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      Bingo!

      Big fan of first Hellboy movie here. Got DVD and all that.

      For this one, convinced 5 other people for Friday night show, now they are demanding their money back. I knew what was coming when Abe put on new lenses. For fuck sake!

    6. Re:Disappointed by destine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I honestly have to agree. I felt the world was beautiful and some of the fight scenes were fun, and while that's why most people will go to and expect from this movie, I hope they aren't disappointed. There were too many tacted-on and extremely trite love scenes. And the slapstick comedy. Hellboy gets hit with lockers, hell boy slips in goo. I really expected a three stooges scenes with Klaus as Moe, Abe as Larry, and Hellboy as Curly. I just couldn't get into it. I seriously think they could have cut about 45 minutes out of the middle and it would have been a much much better film for it. I personally suggest waiting for matinee or even a rental, though, it's one really great aspect, it's beauty, might be missed.

    7. Re:Disappointed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Felt like the director wanted to make a movie primarily about something else, and dragged hellboy along for the ride in a bit role.

      His mind must have been on other things while making this movie. Making a movie with elves where the main character gets dragged along into an adventure sounds suspiciously similar to the next well-loved [s|pr]equel he's supposed to ruin.

      (yes, I'm still quite disappointed PJ didn't step up to direct The Hobbit, especially considering who was chosen instead)

    8. Re:Disappointed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This movie was like watching a pregnant stripper on stage; alluring at times, but strangely awkward and mostly kept with baited breath for the next act to follow, which never did. When that fire chick melted the crown at the end, yet somehow conveniently dismissed that possibility on just 1 piece well before the possibility of all 3 reformed, consequently unleashing the golden army, I knew at that point I had just suffered through two fruitless hours at a crack whore strip club. In essence, this baby didn't deliver.

  4. Sequal? Squeal? by wild_berry · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    That's spelled 'sequel', no? If not, mea culpa: 'i was so wrong'.

    1. Re:Sequal? Squeal? by sconeu · · Score: 5, Funny

      Give Taco a break. His spell checker wanted to spell it "SQL".

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    2. Re:Sequal? Squeal? by FeepingCreature · · Score: 3, Funny

      There's worse.

      ...

      TOLKEIN?!
      I mean seriously, that's like some sort of deadly sin of spelling. Geeks have been sentenced to geek card revocation for far lesser crimes.

    3. Re:Sequal? Squeal? by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      I want to know how this new character is supposed to "reign in" Hellboy. Does he have a gut full of bacteria with a sophisticated feudal structure?

    4. Re:Sequal? Squeal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BEST post EVER!

  5. Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by profBill · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was amazed at the following the the original Hellboy garnered. I took my kids to see it, and we ALL hated it. To the point that, when we see a movie we don't like, we all recant "Well, at least it wasn't as bad as Hellboy". And my son is a real movie person!

    I don't really know the comic, and I suspect that clouds a lot of peoples opinions of the movie, but as someone who came in fresh, Hellboy was just awful-terrible.

    Hard to imagine the sequel being better (actually, I really can't imagine it being worse).

    As a comparison, loved Wall-E, thought Ironman was just OK.

    1. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm standing on your lawn, old man! (But at least I'm not Hellboy.)

    2. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      I never read the comic, and didn't really have high hopes for the first movie...

      I thought the first one was great. It wasn't my favorite movie or in my top 10, but I enjoyed it and watch the DVD maybe once a year.

      The sequel, I don't know. On one hand I liked seeing the characters again and they were all in full force, but there some some instances where it just didn't do it for me.

      I still liked it though. I'd give it 3.5 or 4 stars (out of 5).

    3. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by Sancho · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was unimpressed with the original Hellboy. I've never really been able to put my finger on why this is, but something about it just really turned me off. However, being a fan of the director and expecting amazing visuals, I went ahead and saw Hellboy 2. I thought it was far and away better than the first film, possibly due to a much understated main character. Someone else pointed out that it seemed like the movie just had Hellboy in it, but didn't really feature him--I couldn't agree more.

      Regardless, if the sample set is indicative, it sounds like you just don't care for the superhero genre?

    4. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by howlingfrog · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I agree about the first Hellboy--visually, it was barely recognizable as a Del Toro film, the plot was an (even more) oversimplified version of the Hollywood Superhero Movie Formula (TM), and it gave us no reason to care about the characters.

      But this sequel is a COMPLETELY different film. On every level, from its basic look all the way down to the themes and symbolism (yes, it's a big-budget superhero flick that HAS themes and symbolism), Hellboy II is a more direct successor to Pan's Labyrinth than to the first Hellboy. It not only makes us care about the characters, but its central message is that we should ask ourselves why the characters should care about us. And it makes the audience both hate the villain and still sympathize with the cause he's fighting for.

      I'm a projectionist at a movie theater, so I see almost every movie that comes out, and it's a toss-up for me between Hellboy and Wall-E for my favorite film of 2008 so far. Miss Pettigrew Lives For A Day, Forgetting Sarah Marshall, and Iron Man are the rest of the top 5.

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    5. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by nomadic · · Score: 1

      As a comparison, loved Wall-E, thought Ironman was just OK.

      I thought Wall-E was the best movie I've seen in literally years. I can't believe how good it was, and generally I'm a Pixar skeptic (thought Cars was bad, for example, and the Incredibles was overrated).

    6. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The original, I gave a 7. This one, I give a 9.5.

      It's very funny in a way available to people who are not fans of Hellboy.

      Tons and tons of character stuff that would be just as fun to see a second or third time because they are not "suprise" jokes, they are character interaction humor.

      I say 9.5 because the editing is a bit choppy in the first half of the movie (a bit "jarring" at time how fast a scene will end/change-- I think they shaved off 3-5 seconds too much a few times).

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    7. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lack of imagination is hereditary.

    8. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by gyranthir · · Score: 1

      mmmm Wall-E mediocre, slightly fun, environmentalist propaganda.
      yay.

    9. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well said

    10. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by initdeep · · Score: 2

      personally, i thought Wall_E was the most overrated movie of the summer so far.

      great visuals, poor plot and story line, and just plain too much "YOU NEED TO CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT OR YOU'LL DIE!!!" crap in it.

      i rate it as the worst Pixar film i've ever seen.

      And i own every pixar film and enjoy them.

    11. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by Toonol · · Score: 2, Interesting

      great visuals, poor plot and story line, and just plain too much "YOU NEED TO CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT OR YOU'LL DIE!!!" crap in it.

      I disagree. I probably share your irritation at heavy handed environmental messages pushed down on the public by corporate PR departments who wish to brand their company as progressive and caring... it's all crap, simplistic, and mostly just plain wrong.

      However, I don't think that environmentalism was the point of Wall-E. Apathy was. Apathy caused the planet to go to hell, but it also destroyed human relationships, sunk the level of education and physical health, and had all sorts of detrimental effects. And while I'm personally not too concerned about the state of the environment, I am concerned about the uncaring and unaware state of humanity.

      At least, that was my read. Probably we are both influenced by preconceptions.

    12. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by aesiamun · · Score: 1

      it was as much propaganda as say...Idiocracy...

      Which, in my opinion, wasn't propaganda.

    13. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by pragma_x · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up.

      I pretty much came away with the same impression. The character development was really good for an action flick, especially considering how fast the pace was.

    14. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by mbrod · · Score: 1

      I tend to agree.

      I actually think the relationship between Wall-E and Eve (Eva, not sure which it was), was foremost. Then the message you talk about, degradation of human relationships. Yes the environmental stuff was a back drop but I didn't see that as primary.

      The relationship between the two is what made me find this a very very well made movie. Imagine working at Pixar and being told the story of these two robots. Then being told one would have no facial expressions and the other would only have blue eyes that change shape. Now make it happen. I would say, get a grip this is going to suck. But they made it perfectly. That took some serious skill and I certainly give them credit for that.

    15. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To the point that, when we see a movie we don't like, we all recant "Well, at least it wasn't as bad as Hellboy".

      Obligatory Inigo Montoya quote...

    16. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by Samah · · Score: 1

      "Well, at least it wasn't as bad as Hellboy"

      This is exactly what I say, but for "The Ring". I can't believe my Dad actually loved that movie.

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    17. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by Tehrasha · · Score: 1

      Please, gather your family together around the DVD player, and watch 'The Core'. It will give you a better understanding of what a bad movie is.

    18. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      The Core is probably the greatest modern example of a truly horrible film. There are so many bad, stupid and ridiculous plot elements it is almost impossible to list them all. Let's not discuss the acting. Or even the special effects (how does one depict something that travels through solid rock).
      I loved it.

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    19. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by gonzo67 · · Score: 1

      No....for a bad movie, try to find the Vincent Price movie "The Monster Club" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081178/)

    20. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      the first Hellboy--visually, it was barely recognizable as a Del Toro film

      What the hell are you talking about? It had clockwork and gears. It had a dissection scene. It had a completely over the top villain(wind up(more clockwork and gears) nazi surgery fetishist with sand for blood). It had an underground tunnel scene. It even had the devil's backbone fetus in the jar that you can see sitting next to the Spear of Longinus. And it "looked" very much like other Del Toro films too because he worked with Navarro. It was easily, in fact trivially so, recognizable as a Del Toro film. You must be smoking crack, or talking about some other movie.

    21. Re:Hellboy, the movie, sucked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must not be very good at recognizing artistic styles, sir. And I do believe you are smoking crack.

  6. I'll wait for the DVD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the bonus features are anything like the first one, they'll be funny: Ron Perlman can be really funny.

    Walking out of makeup: "Old Jew turns into Super Hero." - Perlman

  7. Why is this on Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be more appropriate on a POS site like digg.

  8. If he's doing the Hobbit next then... by cptnapalm · · Score: 3, Funny

    I guess he won't be doing his script for At The Mountains of Madness.

    I was looking forward to the shoggoth merchandise... shoggoth keychains, shoggoth pudding...

    1. Re:If he's doing the Hobbit next then... by east+coast · · Score: 1

      With the exception of The Resurrected and the silent Call of Cthulhu films I cringe anytime I hear about Lovecraft's works being represented on film. Not to say that I wouldn't give the film a fair shake, I'd just hate to see another Lovecraft work botched and have tons of 15 year olds out there thinking that what they see on the screen has something to do with why I re-read Lovecraft's works on a normal basis.

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    2. Re:If he's doing the Hobbit next then... by cptnapalm · · Score: 1

      Always nice to meet a fellow fan of that wonderful silent film. Haven't seen The Resurrected; having looked it up, I'm going to check it out.

      Lovecraft's works are difficult to envision as films, for the most part. ATMoM is one of the oddest horror stories I think I've ever read; the protagonists spend huge chunks of time trying to understand the bas-reliefs. The script review indicates that deviation from the original does take place, with rather more action and some The Thing-like plotting. How anyone could make a truly faithful ATMoM film is beyond me.

      But c'mon, man! Shoggoth pudding! That would be awesome :)

    3. Re:If he's doing the Hobbit next then... by east+coast · · Score: 1

      The Resurrected is a modern day take on The Case of Charles Dexter Ward. It is lacking in some areas but it's fairly reasonable in a lot of aspects. It's not the greatest thing but having it come out like it did during the times when Brian Yuzna and Full Moon were butchering Lovecraft it was a welcome relief.

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    4. Re:If he's doing the Hobbit next then... by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 4, Funny

      But c'mon, man! Shoggoth pudding! That would be awesome :)

      (deep announcer voice) Kids go CRAZY for Shoggoth Pudding!
      (cut to a bunch of kids in straight jackets; one staring at the wall drooling, one banging his head rythmically against a wall, one lying on his back and gnawing on a toe, then using the now-bleeding toe to draw MC Escher-like designs on the wall. In front of each is a spoon and an empty Shoggoth Pudding container)

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    5. Re:If he's doing the Hobbit next then... by pla · · Score: 1

      I'd just hate to see another Lovecraft work botched

      I don't think we'll ever get to see a decent big-screen rendition of a Lovecraft work. His style just doesn't lend itself to what audiences want, and no studio will foot the bill to make a "true" production that only a handfull of purists will pay to see.

      That said, I could see AtMoM as reasonably adaptable to the documentary-horror subgenre without butchering it too badly... As long as it doesn't have the entire second half framed as one long flee-the-Shoggoth scene.

    6. Re:If he's doing the Hobbit next then... by cptnapalm · · Score: 1

      See! Pure, unadulterated awesomeness!

    7. Re:If he's doing the Hobbit next then... by Flaming_cows · · Score: 1

      I thought that Hellboy 2 was significantly more influenced by Dunsany than Lovecraft. The reference to 'bethmoora' (butchered as the context is) makes it clear where del Tormo is drawing inspiration from. This is in keeping with the Ogdru-Jahad and other miscellaneous bits of theogony established in the original Hellboy comics, though. All of that bears far more resemblance to Dunsany's "Gods of Pegana" than any piece of the Cthulhu mythos (though Lovecraft's dreamlands stories are close). I for one, was very happy to see a director acknowledge Dunsany, as he is so often passed up in favor of Lovecraft. On the subject of The Hobbit movie, I think that Hellboy 2 clearly showed that del Tormo is very capable of creating very Tolkienesque plotlines, but I think his distinct visual style migt be a bad fit for a direct adaptation of Tolkien's work.

    8. Re:If he's doing the Hobbit next then... by cptnapalm · · Score: 1

      Del Toro is a big Dunsany fan, as I understand it.

      It would be cool if he could do it all, his Dunsany influced work in Hellboy, Tolkien's Hobbit, Lovecraft's ATMoM. Seeing how long it would take to do the Hobbit, though, my guess is that ATMoM is on permanent hold.

    9. Re:If he's doing the Hobbit next then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could be done. Shadow Over Innsmouth works pretty well as gothic-horror and has been done in spirit a couple of times. Pickman's Model might work. Hell, The Ring/Ringu serves as a pretty good model for how you could do some of Lovecraft's paranoia stories.

  9. Movie Review, Hellboy II by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guillermo Del Toro directed the first one as well. I had forgotten that, but after seeing the second one I had to go back and rewatch the first. Not sure why they changed Liz's flames from blue to red for the sequel, but I've never read the Hellboy comic; maybe that's a plot point somewhere.

  10. You can definitely see by SirLurksAlot · · Score: 1

    Guillermo del Toro's influence in this one. He does a great job of bringing fantasy world's to life, and I'm sure he'll be the perfect fit for The Hobbit.

    I enjoyed the movie overall, but at times it felt like they tried to hard to be funny. My wife and I both agreed that if it was just a little darker it would've been better, but it was still worth the $7.50/ticket to see it in theaters.

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    1. Re:You can definitely see by corychristison · · Score: 1

      It's $5.99 here. All taxes included.

      They lowered it from $8.99+taxes two years ago, though.

  11. Also the First Hellboy by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 2, Informative

    Taco seems to make the same mistake that I hear other people saying. Guillermo Del Toro, was also largely responsible for the first Hellboy movie; writing the screenplay and directing.

    I do think he was given much more free reign on this one, and is reflected in the things Taco commented about.

    1. Re:Also the First Hellboy by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Speaking of making the same mistakes other people make, it's "rein" as in horse, not "reign" as in king. Check that log yo.

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    2. Re:Also the First Hellboy by ildon · · Score: 1

      It doesn't help that the movie is being advertised as "FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PAN'S LABYRINTH" ignoring the fact that he was also the director of Hellboy 1.

  12. A Movie review? by underpenguin · · Score: 1

    Honestly. I could understand if an unannounced Star Wars movie was suddenly released or something, but Hellboy 2? If there was a story for every time a movie like this was released...

    1. Re:A Movie review? by cptnapalm · · Score: 1

      Speaking of unannounced Star Wars movies, is it my imagination or is the animated Star Wars movie coming out next month about as anticipated as if it had not been announced at all?

    2. Re:A Movie review? by residieu · · Score: 1

      We went to the prequels because they'd been anticipated for 15 years. Even as we complained about how much Phantom Menace sucked, we still went to the last 2 because the story needed to be completed.

      Now that those are done, we're willing to ignore anything else Lucas has to say about Star Wars (And him letting us down with the latest Indiana Jones didn't help either)

  13. Del Toro rocks by dedazo · · Score: 1

    Having had the displeasure of (continually) sampling the awesomely bad Mexican cinema of the 80s and early 90s, I am continually amazed at how good Mexican directors like Alfonso Cuaron and Del Toro have gotten, and I have to wonder how in the hell they did get that way considering the ambiance in which they were brought up.

    Having said that, I saw Hellboy II this weekend as well and I have to say I liked it as much as IronMan and WALL-E, so IMO it's a pretty freaking sweet movie.

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    1. Re:Del Toro rocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect that learning in an environment of limitations and bad cinema is actually quite helpful to a director in that it probably requires a much greater amount of creativity and adaptability than, say, modern Hollywood. Heck, look at Peter Jackson's early offerings - Meet the Feebles, anyone?

      Even if Mexican cinema of the 80's and 90's is bad, it's certainly done with gusto, which ultimately is probably more important than anything.

    2. Re:Del Toro rocks by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 1

      The 80s and 90s nothing. Until you've seen The Robot vs. the Aztec Mummy, you don't know the depths of what Mexican cinema can reach. That said, there have also been a lot of good Mexican cinema over the years, including the Spanish-language version of Dracula which was made at night on the same sets at the same time as the Bela Lugosi Dracula. Personally, I think Carlos Villaris was a better Dracula than Bela Lugosi.

    3. Re:Del Toro rocks by gregbot9000 · · Score: 1

      Naw Mexican cinema always had a very inventive element to it that seemed to be very different then what was being made in America at the time. Alejandro Jodorowsky produced very inventive stories that were also very very awful. Guillermo Del Toro is Jodorowsky if he ever actually learned how to make movies.

    4. Re:Del Toro rocks by dedazo · · Score: 1

      Yes, Jodorowsky is also very good. I forgot about him.

      Re: Mexican cinema. I am by no means an expert, but in college I had a roommate from Mexico and he was a bit of a film buff, so here's how I sort of understand it. There's the "golden age", which encompasses the Pedro Infante/Jorge Negrete films about the desperately poor vs. the desperately rich and the suave womanizing charro (similar to our gaucho films), plus the older Buñuel classics. Some of those films I enjoyed. There's the Cantinflas/Tin-Tan comedies, and the campy Santo/Blue Demon wrestler films, which were big hits back in the day, then later derided as stupid, and now classics again.

      The late 60s and early 70s produced some good films, like Caifanes (a dark "film noir" that I recommend very much if you can get your hands on it). But by the end of the 70s Mexican films were mostly crap, and that trend continued until the early to mid-90s when movies like Cronos and Como Agua para Chocolate were released. So it was pretty much 20 years where nothing of particular value was produced, in my opinion. But like I said, I'm not an expert.

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    5. Re:Del Toro rocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In before race wank.

  14. How well does it stand without the original? by frankie · · Score: 1

    I've enjoyed Mignola's work for decades, but my wife has neither seen the first movie nor read the comics. However, she is not opposed to comic-based movies, and really liked Pan's Labyrinth. Would she be able to jump in and enjoy HB2?

    1. Re:How well does it stand without the original? by mshannon78660 · · Score: 2, Informative

      My wife had neither seen the first Hellboy movie, nor is she much of a fan of comic book movies in general. However, she really enjoyed this. There's an especially good scene with Abe and Hellboy and lots of Tecate that had us both just about falling out of our seats, we were laughing so hard.

  15. Two camps on this movie by Rastl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Response to this movie is turning into two camps - love it or hate it.

    I fall mildly into the 'hate it' camp. Too much of the director's vision, not enough freakin' story.

    Underdeveloped characters, waaaaaaaaaaaay too much CGI, overly cluttered scenes, eco-terrorist plot. All adding up to me literally yawning my way through the movie.

    The original movie appeals to me because of a strong story with supporting visual effects. This movie seems to be all about overwhelming visual effects with some story thrown in to try to pull them together.

    If this is what Pan's Labyrinth is like then I'm glad I didn't waste my time in seeing it. I don't see the director as 'visionary' any more than I see M. Night Wasshisname as a visionary.

    Harsh, I know. But I'm rather picky about how I spend my precious free time and wasting it on this movie just annoys me.

    1. Re:Two camps on this movie by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Response to this movie is turning into two camps - love it or hate it.

      Followed by...

      I fall mildly into the 'hate it' camp.

      Seems to me that response is turning into two camps with a sliding scale of intensity.

      Personally, I must say that I mostly liked it with an undertone of ennui.

      And one more thing...

      But I'm rather picky about how I spend my precious free time and wasting it on this movie just annoys me.

      As opposed to wasting it reading a review of a movie you didn't like and then posting comments in the discussion?

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    2. Re:Two camps on this movie by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 2, Informative

      You didn't miss anything with Pan's Labyrinth. There was no english sound track so if you didn't speak spannish you had to fight the subtitles to understand it. In a movie with visuals like that you can miss important stuff on the screen while reading.

      As for the story, it sucked.

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    3. Re:Two camps on this movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      overwhelming visual effects with some story thrown in to try to pull them together.

      Pan's Labyrinth gets the balance about right even if it does repeat themes from some of his other films. It's an interesting piece and some of the performances are great. Don't spoil yourself, go and rent it and see for yourself.

    4. Re:Two camps on this movie by Bazouel · · Score: 1

      I have the same opinion as you about Hellboy 2, but as far as Pan's Labyrinth is concerned, it is totally different and way much better. You are truly missing on something if you do not see that movie at least once.

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    5. Re:Two camps on this movie by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yea, I hate movies that require me to be literate, and I tried to learn "spannish" but whenever I google it google asks me if I want to learn "Spanish" whatever the fuck that is.

      Maybe I'm the minority, but adding an english dub to a kickass foreign film is like taking a supermodel and tatooing a casino ad on her forehead...If you don't speak the language, and can't be bothered to read the text, then the film is probably not for you in the first place.

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    6. Re:Two camps on this movie by dontPanik · · Score: 1

      eco-terrorist plot? Did we watch the same movie?
      I loved the CGI, but i guess i went into the theatre wanting different things in a movie than you did. While I disagree with your review, I urge you to check out pan's labyrinth, it has the same del toro feel, but it doesn't try to be a blockbuster like hellboy 2, its deeper and if you like magical interesting movies i think it might be worth your precious precious time.

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    7. Re:Two camps on this movie by teeloo · · Score: 1

      So do you actually read real reviews when deciding whether or not to see a film? Pre-judging a film based on another is extremely short-sighted. FYI - RottenTomatoes rates Pan's Labyrinth at 96% Favourable.

    8. Re:Two camps on this movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... two camps in everything, dude.
      right..wrong..
      dark ... like ..
      awesome ... you ...
      y'know. everything has an opposite.

    9. Re:Two camps on this movie by flitty · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, the "elf who lives in the forest" pissed about humans destroying the forest, pointing to the large "forest elemental" and saying "Shoot it, isn't that what you really want?" was too suble to pick up on the environmental leanings.

      I started out liking the movie quite a bit during it, but the more I thought about it afterword, it was just ok, not great. Plot holes you could drive a truck through and Selma Blair's Acting should have been fixed before this came out and kept it from being a much better movie. The campy comedy works, which was nice. See the movie, but don't expect awesomeness.

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    10. Re:Two camps on this movie by Shagg · · Score: 2, Funny

      M. Night Wasshisname

      M. Night Shamalamadingdong

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    11. Re:Two camps on this movie by eviloverlordx · · Score: 1

      Oh, the irony...

      I do have to agree with your sentiment, though. English dubbing is the rough equivalent of road kill: sure, it's easier to handle, but it's just nothing like the original.

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    12. Re:Two camps on this movie by jdgeorge · · Score: 2, Funny

      As opposed to wasting it reading a review of a movie you didn't like and then posting comments in the discussion?

      Dude, the time he spends posting on Slashdot at work is not "free" time; he was getting paid for that.

    13. Re:Two camps on this movie by dontPanik · · Score: 1

      Well the "Shoot it" line was more leaning towards the character development of Hellboy realizing he is one-of-a-kind and doesn't paticularly fit in with humans, much like the tree elemental. The elf said "it is last of its kind, just like us" or something like that.

      I disagree with your sarcasm, I think that the environment theme was subtle enough. I never felt like it was being pushed down my throat at least...

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    14. Re:Two camps on this movie by curmudgeous · · Score: 1

      "...I fall mildly into the 'hate it' camp. Too much of the director's vision, not enough freakin' story.

      Underdeveloped characters, waaaaaaaaaaaay too much CGI, overly cluttered scenes, eco-terrorist plot...

      I totally agree. I came away with the impression that they spent $80 million on CGI and about $2.75 on script work. The film needed far less flash and lots more plot development.

    15. Re:Two camps on this movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chow Baby!

      Geez, learn to write Italian!

    16. Re:Two camps on this movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now then, no where did I say adding subtitles to foreign films should be required?

      Was that a question or a statement?

      But I think the distributor and the director where fools for not adding a english sound track to this movie,

      Are you sure you don't think that they were fools? I've watched entire movies without ever being able to recall afterwards that they were subtitled. Do you have to stop your vehicle to read roadsigns or something?

      that is just my option

      Yes it is an option but is it also your opinion?

      Chow Baby!

      Is that "Chow Mein" or "ciao" as in the informal Italian greeting? Why do people need to learn Italian to read your comments?

    17. Re:Two camps on this movie by cgenman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hellboy is fantasy escapism. Pan's Labyrinth is about using fantasy escapism to deal with the horrors of growing up in the middle of a war. It was a very different movie than I was expecting, but it was also far better. It isn't fantasy so much as a historical war drama with occasional fantasy elements. Highly recommended.

    18. Re:Two camps on this movie by Rastl · · Score: 1

      I know I'm feeding the trolls but sometimes ya gotta.

      Define a 'real review'. Is it something you wrote? Something a professional movie critic (whatever the heck that is) wrote? Do I read a variety of reviews from a variety of sources?

      Silly me, I went into this movie expecting something like the previous one. You know, the movie before the sequel. I enjoyed the previous movie very much. I was hoping to enjoy the sequel as well.

      I'm not quite sure about your comment about 'pre-judging a file based on another is extremely short-sighted.' If I don't like the work of a certain actor/director/whatever then why should I continue to see movies with them, hoping that one of them will appeal to me? Why should I continue to read books by a certain author if I find that I don't like their writing?

      And you're using another review site to tell me that people liked a movie. Fine and dandy. Good for them. All I said was that I was happy I hadn't seen it because I'm not pleased with the director's work. So explain to me how not liking a director's work could mean I then would like that director's work?

      On second thought, no. Please don't. Whatever convoluted explanation you try to foist upon me (and the rest of the site) would only make my teeth itch.

    19. Re:Two camps on this movie by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      No. Next foolish request.

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    20. Re:Two camps on this movie by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      I was underwhelmed by Hellboy II but Pan's Labyrinth was an amazing movie. I don't want to give any of it away, but it has the great acting, visual imagery, and detail of Hellboy II but with a heartbreaking plot. It's in Spanish with English captions but Pan's Labyrinth was spell-binding.

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    21. Re:Two camps on this movie by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      I liked Pan's Labyrinth, and so did a lot of other people, though I can see it's not for everyone.

      My main problem with the english dub is the american studios who won't license a foreign film without overdubbing the quality acting with some dumbed down jackass dialogue, and they often don't give you the option for the original audio. Have you heard the dub for Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? Jesus, it sounds like they hired a bunch of hobo's to do the dub.

      It's just a button of mine; I don't care if they make an english dub, but I don't want that to be the first option if it wasn't originally recorded in english.

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    22. Re:Two camps on this movie by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon?

      I can't argue with on that. God, that was awful. Point to you and I concede. Nothing can ruin a good foreign film like shitty dubbing. Hell that is one of the main reasons I started watching my anime with the original sound track and using subs. I once read an interview with some of the voice actors and they where ask if they just made this shit up as they went along. The answer was yes. I have to admit that I think my Japanese as gotten pretty good because of it. I can't speak it but if I listen carefully I can understand most of it.

      But I will stand by that if they had have done a real good english dub for Pan's then it would have done much better here in the States. But I will give you that it shouldn't be the first choice on the DVD.

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    23. Re:Two camps on this movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haven't seen this movie yet (but I liked the first and do want to see it), but I wanted to say that you (or anyone) should really take the time to watch "Pan's Labyrinth". That movie has fantastic visuals paired with an even more fantastic story. I love movies like "Hellboy" that exist just to entertain, but movies like "Pan's" both entertain and make you really think (for me it was about the definition of the word "monster"), something that's far to rare in today's entertainment industry.

    24. Re:Two camps on this movie by teeloo · · Score: 1

      I enjoyed the previous movie very much. I was hoping to enjoy the sequel as well.

      I'm not quite sure about your comment about 'pre-judging a file based on another is extremely short-sighted.' If I don't like the work of a certain actor/director/whatever then why should I continue to see movies with them, hoping that one of them will appeal to me?

      So if you liked the first Hellboy, why didn't you go see Pan's Labyrinth when it came out?

      I am very picky as well with films and I usually read a multitude of published reviews to get meaningful insights and analysis. Film makers can be wildly inconsistent from project to project. You can't just look at someone's previous films to decide to see the next one, there are many variables which come into play that will affect the end product (budget, studio, script writer, director, actors, market).

      An author writing a book and a director doing a film is very different. An author has almost complete control of what the end product will be, a director has much less as there are many more factors and stake holders to answer to. Many times, a director might not have the final say.

    25. Re:Two camps on this movie by LarsWestergren · · Score: 1

      You didn't miss anything with Pan's Labyrinth. There was no english sound track so if you didn't speak spannish you had to fight the subtitles to understand it.

      Fight the subtitles? Is reading that hard? Personally I love subs. You get the original actor voices, and the pleasure of listening to the "music" of a foreign language.

      As for the story, it sucked.

      Did not! :P

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  16. Did you see the same movie I did? Or... by topham · · Score: 1

    You should get out more.

    I watched HellBoy II last night and while I enjoyed the movie it mostly failed in my mind.

    The 'humour' early on reminded me of Men In Black, but MIB pulled it off better. The humour didn't last throughout the movie at the same level and style.

    The ending was lame and was predictable half-way through the movie.

    Wanted was a much better thrill-ride.

    1. Re:Did you see the same movie I did? Or... by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      The ending was lame and was predictable half-way through the movie.

      Which ending?

      The climax? Yeh, I saw that coming really early into the movie.

      Or the final scenes, because not having read the comics I did not see that coming at all.

  17. Hellboy - Bit Role by Talian · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I went into it with high hopes, but was largely disappointed. It seemed to barely be about hellboy. While the visuals, background and world were interesting and appealing, they seemed to me to be a completely separate franchise, that very distinctly left the world created in the first one. Thought the "new" character was an epic disappointment as well. Felt like the director wanted to make a movie primarily about something else, and dragged hellboy along for the ride in a bit role.

    1. Re:Hellboy - Bit Role by Talian · · Score: 1

      meh, double post, ignore this, forgot to login earlier.

  18. Is this a Fake Review? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This movie was fine except for where it was AWFUL in various parts. I kept glancing at my friend when the characters would say something just ridiculous or where the action was goofy.

    I never rolled my eyes so much in a movie at just plain absurdity.

    I wish I could offer specific examples but rolling my eyes so hard must have messed with my brain. I think everyone knows what I am talking about.

  19. don't waste your money by splatter · · Score: 2, Informative

    Saw it this weekend. The plot was long & drawn out. A little over a 2 hour film with all the trailers. The love interest plot was cheesy, as were the elves. Visual effects and the actor playing hell boy was good, new actor playing fish stick. German frauss

    Don't worry about the spoilers, you know whats going to happen by 20 min into the film, the plot is pretty translucent. Not a whole lot of new ideas.
    1) LOTR man / elf pact gone wrong - Check
    2) One crown to rule them all (need I say more) -check
    3) Goofy (corsecan brother's with out the weed) twins feeling each others pain - check
    4) Secret withheld by girl but known by mind reader until he spills it - check
    5) What is with these freaks heads? (seriously castles?)
    6) New agent hard nosed / by the book then turns rebel with the group.

    I could go on....
     

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    1. Re:don't waste your money by ODiV · · Score: 4, Funny

      6) New agent hard nosed

      Hard nosed? Quite the opposite, in fact.

      I didn't really care for the character though. Seemed to lack substance.

    2. Re:don't waste your money by cptnapalm · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, he was kind of a gas bag.

    3. Re:don't waste your money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, I can add three more things to this list:

      No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

    4. Re:don't waste your money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't a new actor playing Abe. Doug Jones played the part in both films, but in post-production the studio demanded a bigger name on the marquee than Doug Jones so they had David Hyde Pierce come in and dub over the lines. When he found out later what had gone on, he voluntarily had his name credit pulled from the first movie. As a result, Doug Jones is now back as both the actor in the suit AND the voice.

    5. Re:don't waste your money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "5) What is with these freaks heads? (seriously castles?)"

      Originally 'Cathedral Head' was going to have a whole city of people up top, but it was too expensive.

    6. Re:don't waste your money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > new actor playing fish stick.

      Same actor.

      The only difference was that David Pierce's voice wasn't dubbed over. The guy in the suit (Doug Jones) was the same, only this time it was his voice.

      -AC

  20. Seemed like two movies by Xeth · · Score: 1

    I really loved what Del Toro did with several of the scenes (The dolls in the intro, the forest god, the elven throne), but much of the rest of it just seemed... lame and obvious, like any other mainstream action movie. What resulted was this strange combination of beautiful moments juxtaposed with predictable one-liners.

    I'm glad I saw it, but I really wish it had felt like Del Toro's other work. I suppose he did it to attract a proper American audience?

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  21. Whose, again? by arth1 · · Score: 1

    The elven world is very much Del Toro's designs.

    Um, no. The main elf is lifted from The Witcher. Take one look. Do it.
    His father is a copy of Theoden from LOTR. The female elf is (fittingly enough) an Eowyn copy, with a paler complexion.

    As for the other design, it's lifted too. The Troll Market is a rubberstamp copy of Neil Gaiman's hidden market in London. The ogre is straigth from Warcraft.

    Entertaining, it may be, but original, it ain't.

    1. Re:Whose, again? by Emperor+Zombie · · Score: 1

      On that note, did anyone else think the King' guards looked suspiciously like Pyramid Head?

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  22. Wow, that connection couldn't POSSIBLY be vital... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nah, the movie was alright. But the biggest problem which I'm surprised nobody mentioned is that they stick a cliched ending on the final confrontation and give it away in the first reel.

  23. OT: Pan's Labyrinth by LotsOfPhil · · Score: 1

    So, CmdrTaco says that Pan's Labyrinth is a "detailed, intricate, subtle work." If you've seen it, do you think the fantasy stuff is "real" or not? If it is real, the little girl's experiences are a ray of light in a dreadful time. If it's not real (maybe she's taking some of that morphine) then her death is really quite tragic and awful, even compared to all the other events.
    If you've seen it, what do you think? I think "not real" and my wife thinks "real".

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    1. Re:OT: Pan's Labyrinth by n0dna · · Score: 1

      While we're OT, I have to say I thought Pan's Labyrinth was a horrible movie.

      Maybe if Pan had actually been in it, or the Labyrinth had been shown, then it might have mitigated some of the bland story, the rubber frog, or stupidly gratuitous violence.

      Seriously. It was billed as a fairytale, and it wasn't.

      Admittedly, the "Hands" monster scene was pretty awesome though.

    2. Re:OT: Pan's Labyrinth by teeloo · · Score: 1

      Oh what a shallow Hollywood world we live in... everything has to be spelled out and spoon fed. American consumers are so simple in their tastes: watered down artless drivel.
      I don't suppose you've seen Terry Gilliam's "Brazil"--guess what, it has nothing to do with the country (which by the way is in South America, no, not the south of America, but actually ANOTHER continent entirely).

    3. Re:OT: Pan's Labyrinth by hiryuu · · Score: 1

      If you've seen it, do you think the fantasy stuff is "real" or not? If it is real, the little girl's experiences are a ray of light in a dreadful time. If it's not real (maybe she's taking some of that morphine) then her death is really quite tragic and awful, even compared to all the other events.

      I think the beauty of it is in asking not whether it is real or not, but how much you want to believe it's real. How terrible it would be to contemplate the sad, brutal reality in which she lives and dies and know that all the trappings and events of the fantastic are nothing more than her escapist wishes and her denial in refusing to believe in her own death?

      I don't think there's a clear answer to the question you ask because there isn't supposed to be one. To my mind, that was the point del Toro wanted to make: who are you? A believer? Or a disbeliever? I think that's one of the big take-aways here.

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    4. Re:OT: Pan's Labyrinth by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If it's not real (maybe she's taking some of that morphine) then her death is really quite tragic and awful, even compared to all the other events.
      If you've seen it, what do you think? I think "not real" and my wife thinks "real".

      One, the other, or both depending on my mood and what I decide to focus on. One thing I like about the movie is that it is open to multiple interpretations.

      On the one hand, nobody but her ever sees any of the bizarre things. On the other, her mother does actually start to get better with the mandrake, and worse when its removed. Fairy magic? Coincidence? Or maybe the girl's feelings affecting her mother's health.

      In either case, though, the girl dies in the end. If you believe it's all real, then this was the final step of a journey into a fantastical afterlife. If it wasn't... maybe it was still such a step? The poignancy of sacrificing herself for her brother, and the metaphor for achieving an enlightened or holy state, still exists.

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    5. Re:OT: Pan's Labyrinth by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Pan == the faun. The Spanish title is literally translated as "Labyrinth of the Faun". Pan is probably the best known goat-legged man of myth in the States, "faun" and "satyr" are probably too obscure for non-dnd geeks. Blame the localization guy for this one if it bothers you.

      And of course it was a fairy tale, just for adults, with the built-in question of whether any of the fairy stuff is actually real at all.

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    6. Re:OT: Pan's Labyrinth by n0dna · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know where South America is.

      Why does my indication that a movie is crap say anything about American Consumers, or my tastes, or anything else?

      Brazil was a good movie. So was El Orphanto. So was the Dutch film about De Nachtwacht. So was the movie from Chile that I can't remember the name of about the guys building a rocket and mistaken for terrorists, some play on "Chile Can" as I recall. So was There Will be Blood and No Country For Old Men and a million others made in the last couple of years. What's your point? Pan's Labyrinth wasn't one of them.

      Del Toro made a crappy movie. Get over it. It won Oscars for Art Direction, Cinematography, and Makeup. Wow, makeup. /You/ may live in a shallow Hollywood World, but in fact I recommend /you/ try to watch some /good/ movies.

    7. Re:OT: Pan's Labyrinth by GeckoX · · Score: 1

      Er, not that I agreed with you but you had me at least somewhat convinced you had a reasonably critical view on movies...until you stated you liked There Will be Blood and No Country For Old Men.

      I tried to like them, I really did, but they sucked. They sucked hard and long. They were two of the biggest wastes of movie time I've ever experienced. They both tried _way_ too hard to be intelligent and above what they really were, and blew it completely. I swear, the people involved in making those movies need to go back and read Icarus again.

      I felt dumber for having watched them, and conned for having paid to do so.

      Personally, I liked Pan's Labyrinth, and it wasn't for the makeup, art, cinematography or any of that. It was the mood, setting and story above all else. But hey, obviously YMMV.

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    8. Re:OT: Pan's Labyrinth by n0dna · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and I can understand why you felt that way about them.

      I never claimed to be a critic, I just know what I like, and I tend to like more movies than not. Doesn't mean I'm more right or wrong than you are. All any of us can do is watch a film, and as you said, YMMV.

      When you stack up the whole list of things it could have been, for me, Pan's was just a 2 hour movie about a psycho in Franco's army with 15 minutes of fantasy footage. The trailers showed the creatures, the girl and the maze. The movie didn't show much more of them, relatively speaking. The movie showed the camp.

      While I have no desire to rewatch it (at all, and I still have the dvd) it may have just been the overwhelming feeling of "this isn't what you sold me on" that ruined it for me.

      As you said though, YMMV. :)

    9. Re:OT: Pan's Labyrinth by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Careful, careful. Del Toro is this year's Joss Whedon, and any kind of criticism, no matter how well founded, is likely to be met by flames and downmodding by the rabid fanbois.

      I agree that Pan's Labyrinth wasn't all that great. To me, it seemed too pretentious, with plot holes big enough to drive a gelendewagen through, and a shakycam like in The Blair Witch Project. The only redeeming quality from my point of view was the music.

      But two will get you ten that someone will mod this "troll" or "flamebait" because it's critique of their favorite director du jour.

    10. Re:OT: Pan's Labyrinth by Kerkyon · · Score: 1

      I fall in the "real" camp. I don't think there's any non-supernatural way to explain her teleportation at the climax of the film, so we have to see the chalk-doors as magic. I think.

  24. Good Fun Flick by VoxMagis · · Score: 1

    I enjoyed the movie quite alot. The thing that really blew my mind was the detail and variety that Del Toro threw out there.

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  25. Credit where credit isn't due by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    Taco I think you gave Del Toro's characters too much credit. Really, I was disappointed with the elves, goblins, and trolls. In Pan's Labyrinth, the graphically intriguing characters were important and had important roles. In Hellboy 2, the commercials and trailers promised us much the same but the movie failed to deliver. The only really original character that moves the plot forward is the one with the mushroom-like head and over a dozen eyes. But we see him for what, 5 minutes and then never again? Otherwise the elves are just elves, the trolls are just ugly, and the goblin is just a courier.

    The movie was good, but it was something of a waste of Del Toro's talents. He could have really done more with his creativity and made it more interesting, rather than peppering it with so many short bit-pieces.

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  26. Learned a new word by qengho · · Score: 1

    I didn't realize that "mythos" is the collective noun for elves.

    1. Re:Learned a new word by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Apparently you haven't seen the movie; it's the singular noun.

    2. Re:Learned a new word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's not

  27. Poorly executed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Much like the first Hellboy, this movie just didn't live up to my expectations. There were some good ideas, but these were poorly executed. Overall the movie held interest, but only through its spectacular cgi, monsters, fight, and vistas.

    I think Del Toro tried to fit too many things into 110 minutes. Two love story arcs, Red's personal struggle (working for humanity/rejection by them), new characters, all the while trying to use the feel from the original comic book and add humor. The feel of the movie changed too often, jerking the audience from action to humor to romance.

    My biggest complaint however was details. This movie just felt rushed. The cgi was amazing sometimes, and just unfinished others. The most glaring problems was in the voice acting, many of the monsters looked dubbed. This leads me to the opposite conclusion from the above poster:

    And this makes me all the more excited for the Hobbit, where I have all the same concerns: Tolkein and Jackson will give him even bigger shoes to fill, and now I think he can do it.

    The reason lotr worked so well was Jackson's attention to detail, in every aspect no matter how small. While Del Toro left Hellboy feeling decidedly unpolished....

  28. Why are we giving Hollywood -any- support? by tjstork · · Score: 1

    I mean, we have all the copyright thugs going around chasing after people, and here you go, chatting up a movie!

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    1. Re:Why are we giving Hollywood -any- support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suppose it goes to show the people hollywood would typecast as movie pirating supporters still leave their homes to see the latest blockbuster.

    2. Re:Why are we giving Hollywood -any- support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because we hate the sellers doesn't mean we don't like what they're selling.

  29. If you are 11 years old by pigiron · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Iron Man is a "perfect A" movie if you are like 11 years old.

    1. Re:If you are 11 years old by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Informative

      Iron Man is a "perfect A" movie if you are like 11 years old.

      Maybe I am. It depends. How old were you when you got the stick shoved up your ass?

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    2. Re:If you are 11 years old by rtechie · · Score: 1

      You're probably one of those people who thinks comics are for kids despite the fact the average reader is 23.

      Iron Man is probably the best fantasy action movie released this summer. I suspect you hate fantasy action movies in general. Approximately 3 billion people worldwide disagree with you, and those who do "agree" don't generally have access to movie theaters. Stick to the art house and you'll be fine.

    3. Re:If you are 11 years old by pigiron · · Score: 1

      "Approximately 3 billion people worldwide disagree with you" The film's distributors will be sorely disappointed at their gross revenues if that is in fact the case! Otherwise your logic is impeccable. Follow and do what the masses do!

    4. Re:If you are 11 years old by rtechie · · Score: 1

      3 billion people haven't watched Iron Man. 3 billion people have watched fantasy action films this summer.

      Having said that, Iron Man has made over $500 million so far and has been watched by hundreds of millions of people. And yeah, lots of people pirated the movie.

      Why do you give me and example of a film released this summer that did poorly that hundreds of millions of people SHOULD have watched?

  30. $7.50 ticket ? where?! by us7892 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is $7.50 the Senior discount for a Sunday morning matinee in Topeka?

    The Sunday morning matinee for Wall-E cost me $9.50!

  31. The same movies come out every summer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aren't you guys sick of seeing the same crap over and over? Iron Man, Pan's Labrynth, Hellboy, etc, none of them offer anything new. Just a shallow plot that gives them an excuse to go crazy with CG. At first I didn't mind the recycled plots because the CG was so good, but there is really nothing new CG has to offer, at least not in the robots, explosions, and mutants/weird creatures departments. Come up with something at least a little bit original and I'll watch it.

    1. Re:The same movies come out every summer by Omestes · · Score: 1

      While I'd generally agree with you, I will move to strike Pan's Labrynth from your list. I didn't enjoy the movie, but it really was somewhat different from your usual Hollywood clone fair. My first reaction was that it was just more of the girl-fantasy-escapism genre (Mirrormask, Labyrinth, etc...), but I must say it was much too dark to fit into that cliche, and did pull of a nice psychological component, which is pretty rare these days.

      Again, it wasn't my favorite movie, and I personally could live without ever watching it again, but... I realize that this is my completely subjective opinion, and has no basis on anyone else's.

      What, then, in your opinion, is original? The only movie in theaters, right now, that I want to see is Mongol, and that is HARDLY original. Everything else is a sequel, formulaic, or a rehash, as has been true for the last couple years. Hell the last good movie I've seen in recent memory (No Country For Old Men) was based on a bestselling novel, so not even it was original (nor as good as the book).

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  32. For all in tents and porpoises... by Minwee · · Score: 1

    A new good guy is sent in from the BPRD to reign in our uncontrollable hero

    While he's at it can he also rein in the use of that word? Or can we also look forward to a rain of terror followed by a veil of tears and, when worse comes to worse, a damp squid?

    1. Re:For all in tents and porpoises... by haruchai · · Score: 1

        That was well stated.

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  33. Watched it last night... by DarthVain · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just saw it last night.

    I am a Hellboy fan, and have seen the first movie.

    I enjoyed Hellboy 2 last night, it was quite good. Worth a trip to the theater.

    Lots of action, funny parts, plenty of beautiful cinematography, good acting. Pretty much can't go wrong.

    If I really wanted to be a hard critic there were a few things I could say.

    1) So much eye candy. In some parts there was so much beautiful cinematography and action going on it was hard to take it all in. It makes me want to watch it again so I can see in more detail everything that is going on.

    2) It seemed to me that a lot of star trek red shirts (BPRD normal human agents) get killed off and the main characters don't seem too upset. Could be they are just used to it by now, came across more callous than it should have been I thought.

    3) I didn't buy into Abe's love interest 100%. Though I could rationalize it perhaps that he is inexperienced in love and perhaps more infatuated or desperate so I can let it slide.

    Oh and I also thought Jeffrey Tambor was very good in his role. I also really liked how the very beginning of the movie started, though I was initially a bit skeptical. Very Creative. There are also a few laugh your ass off parts which are lots of fun, particularly in a theater setting.

    1. Re:Watched it last night... by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      3) I didn't buy into Abe's love interest 100%. Though I could rationalize it perhaps that he is inexperienced in love and perhaps more infatuated or desperate so I can let it slide.

      I agree with most of your points, but not the Abe thing.

      For an ordinary person (or whatever) it would be a stretch for him to fall so completely so quickly. But you forget the did mind-meld-thing early on, who knows what he learned or how intimate something like that can be. The resulting knowledge/experience might have been equal to knowing her for months.

    2. Re:Watched it last night... by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Yeah I had thought of that. As I said he had a lot of "outs" that could possibly explain the story. It wasn't something that was explicitly stated though, so if was just one of those things that left me wondering how reasonable his actions where.

      I mean he compares his with Hellboy's relationship, which was not only longer, but they literately went through hell together. Lots of history. If Abe's special connection with her was at cause, and didn't have a lot of experience in the field, and/or was very lonely/desperate it may have contributed to how he felt and thus acted. However as I said it was just one of those things that I questioned. I think you would have to be a pretty hard critic to fault it.

      They decided to leave it up to the audience.

      For example in Babylon 5 (brutal I know to bring up, but I am currently re-watching it, so it is fresh in my mind), they explicitly state that when two psychics make love they become one and nothing can every compare to that or something along those lines. So you know that any kind of relationship like that is kinda a big deal.

      I think Abe just talk's about having a connection, and being alike or the same. Which could just mean freaks don't find other compatible freaks very often and he is a lonely guy/fish.

      Could just be perhaps that he was really tired of being the 3rd wheel for years and years. That would be pretty annoying.

    3. Re:Watched it last night... by sckeener · · Score: 1

      I had a couple of tactical issues with the movie....

      #1 the princess should have knocked herself out or had someone do it for her. Keep her that way until they bind up the prince for all eternity.

      #2 when Hellboy was revived, flame chick should have melted the 3rd piece of the crown and thus prevented the golden army from awaking.

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    4. Re:Watched it last night... by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      My take:

      #1 the connection was never really fully explained. When she takes a nap does he have to also. Perhaps it doesn't work that way.

      #2 flame chick I don't think knew about the 3rd piece. Abe hid it, thus no chance for melty.

  34. The Hellboy comic is dark and brooding by Hohlraum · · Score: 1

    and the movies have more of a comedic feel to them. Granted the comics have comedy elements as well but the films are very overdone in the regard.

    They are still very enjoyable movies but they seem to be out in their own world. I thought their take on Hellboy Jr. was pretty lame though.

  35. Best Part of Hellboy II by Jack9 · · Score: 4, Funny

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    1. Re:Best Part of Hellboy II by d474 · · Score: 1

      What about: "Your body's not a temple, it's an amusement park."

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  36. Re:$7.50 ticket ? where?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a theater where I live in Western PA that charges $5 at all times, and $3 for seniors. Granted, it's because nobody outside the projects goes there anymore and there are only six screens. The theater by the mall with stadium seating and many more show times charges up to $9.

    The idea of $9.50 bothers the hell out of me. In which city do you live?

  37. "Guillermo Del Toro's previous film" by Matthew+Weigel · · Score: 1

    Is CmdrTaco unaware that del Toro directed the first Hellboy movie? He certainly didn't have quite the same license to create his own vision then as he does now, but he is the guy who got the first one so very right.

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  38. Re:$7.50 ticket ? where?! by mbourgon · · Score: 1

    That's gotta suck - I think ours in Fort Worth just went up to $7.50 for the nighttime showings. The Cinemark Tinseltown near us has great prices though - matinees are $4.

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  39. When are they making Hellman? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    Seems a little condescending to still be calling him a boy.

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  40. You gonna cite that AC, or just plagiarize it? by RingDev · · Score: 1

    Some AC's actually post worth while things to read, but if you're going to post a copy&paste of an AC's post, at least have the decency to quote it and say "I agree!"

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  41. Will everyone please stop mentioning "fish"? by biglig2 · · Score: 1

    Dee Bradley Baker plays Klaus in American Dad. Not Seth MacFarlane.

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  42. Seth MacFarlane mis-attribute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One minor correction (that no one will see, seeing as I'm posting AC): Seth MacFarlane doesn't do Klaus on American Dad; Klaus is done by Dee Bradley Baker.

    Other than that, everything in the review was spot on.

  43. No spoilers like this beauty! by jimand · · Score: 1

    There may be some minor spoilers in the review but nothing like the spoiler here.

    We have long memories.

    1. Re:No spoilers like this beauty! by vrmlguy · · Score: 1

      Man, I knew what you'd linked to before I even hovered over the link.

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  44. DUP!! by berashith · · Score: 1

    dup post... you must be applying for a job here

  45. Too much build up by JJTJR · · Score: 1

    Meh. I was really hoping to enjoy Hellboy II as I was a big fan of the original. I thought it was funny, had some decent action, and some interesting characters.

    Those three things are back in the sequel but unfortunately there were a few too many corners cut to make this work for me.

    First there is the acting. Ron Pearlman is great, Selma Blair and Doug Jones are downright terrible. I blame this on Del Toro not speaking english natively because otherwise he would have heard how stiff and bland they delivered all their lines. Don't get me started on Seth McFamilyGuy. He was the complete wrong choice for that character.

    Second, the giant plot holes are what really ruined this movie for me. I knew there were going to be problems right from the start of the tooth fairy scene where each and every bland BPRD agent is eaten up without any of the baddies even beginning to swarm on any of the main characters. I'm sorry, I'm not buying it! Then the movie got along pretty well until the Golden Army chamber. First Abe basically stabs everyone in the back for practically no reason. And after it happens it is never brought up again. Nobody asks why, nobody even seems to care! Stupid! Also, it was absolutely stupid that Hellboy and Johann take on the golden army while Liz and Abe just stand there looking bored. They wouldn't try to help? The golden army wouldn't bother to try to attack them? Why too much went wrong in this scene for me to suspend my disbelief.

    The more I think about it the more things start to bug me and now I'm just depressed about the movie so I guess I'll call it quits now.

    And the music sucked.

    1. Re:Too much build up by flitty · · Score: 1

      And the music sucked.

      Danny Elfman has been coasting for years. I didn't even realize it was him til the end.

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    2. Re:Too much build up by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Additionally, wouldn't the elves, trolls, and goblins hate Hellboy too? If he's destined to destroy the world, and it's where they keep all there stuff...

    3. Re:Too much build up by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      When they fought the thousands of tooth-fairies, I could hardly believe they tried to shoot them one at a time. Liz was right there in the room, and even she could only think of shooting them one at a time. Are these the world's stupidest super-heros?

      Same thing when they went to fight the golden army: 4900 super indestructible robot solders, so they fight them all at once with just two guys? And Prince Nuala had just asked if anybody wanted to challenge his right to rule.

      Still, I thought it was a good "popcorn movie." Good looking effects etc.

    4. Re:Too much build up by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Danny Elfman has been coasting for years. I didn't even realize it was him til the end.

      Sadly, I have to agree with this one. I didn't realize until the end that it was Elfman, but I remember thinking earlier in the film "you know, this music is pretty inappropriate." His "chorus of voices" as a music instrument thing was so much better as well as more appropriate in Edward Scissorhands.

      The songs from Corpse Bride were pretty good. Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 were excellent. Other than that I can't even remember an Elfman score from the last decade.

    5. Re:Too much build up by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      The "kill the tooth fairies one at a time" thing was pretty stupid.

      But with "And Prince Nuala had just asked if anybody wanted to challenge his right to rule" I always interpreted that as part of the magical rites required to activate the army since his father gave the same speech.

    6. Re:Too much build up by nuttycom · · Score: 1

      It was all downhill after Oingo Boingo broke up. Oh, well. At least the band knew that they were going out on a high note!

  46. Is the writer's strike still going on? by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    Is the writer's strike still going on?

    I ask this because the trailers for this film, like most of the others this season, have boiled down to "come see the amazing special effects!"

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  47. Men In Black: The Golden Army by somecreepyoldguy · · Score: 1

    Hellboy II made me feel like I was watching Men in Black with Hellboy characters. I felt that the what goes bump in the night subtle monsters and sparse comedy was a greater atmosphere in the first, more than the elves, trolls, ogres and "tooth faeries" ughhh and tumor baby of the constantly humorous, barely dark latest installment.

  48. Who is Ron Pearlman? by Intron · · Score: 1

    What, they got a new lead for the sequel?

    I wonder if Zelma Blare is playing Liz.

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  49. Re:$7.50 ticket ? where?! by felipekk · · Score: 1

    Well, at least it is still cheaper than a gal of gas...

  50. Iron Man == "perfect A" ? by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Come on, it wasn't that good.

    The visuals were nice but the story was cheesy and had far too much "support the troops" patriotism in it (is there any reason Iraq had to be in the movie at all?)

    I'd give it 70-80% at best.

    Pan's Labyrinth (to pick a movie at random from the review) was way better.

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    1. Re:Iron Man == "perfect A" ? by JudgeFurious · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Iraq wasn't, Afghanistan was.

      It was patriotic and "support the troops-ish" but it fit the material. Tony Stark is an arms manufacturer and those are the current wars being fought where his wares might turn up. If you're going to set this material in current events then Afghanistan and Iraq are the places you put it.

      I liked the movie a lot and thought the overt patriotism fit right into the film perfectly. I don't know if I'd give it a 100 but back in my time you had to get a 93 or better to make an "A" and I'm good with that. Mid 90's seems about right for Iron Man to me.

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    2. Re:Iron Man == "perfect A" ? by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Just to show it's all a matter of perspective, I saw it as a rather UNpatriotic don't-support-the-troops kind of movie. It seemed to show war as always bad, the defense industry as crooked and evil, the war in Afghanistan pointless (we couldn't even stop the massacre in this one small town!). Also, the Iron Man saga always starts in a war-zone; it was Vietnam in the first issue, later revised to the first Gulf War, now Afghanistan. And I don't recall Iraq being in it at all. The story may have been "cheesy", but it was faithful to the comic book, more or less.

      I don't want to start an argument or anything, but it just goes to show it's all a matter of opinion.

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    3. Re:Iron Man == "perfect A" ? by Kerkyon · · Score: 1

      Pan's Labyrinth (to pick a movie at random from the review) was way better.

      Right, but it doesn't really fit the qualifications of being a movie from this year. Admittedly, the original quote was "Second best movie I've seen all year behind Iron Man," not "Second best new movie. . .," so you might have a point.

      But if that were what you meant, I'd expect you to pick something really fantastic, like Alone in the Dark.

    4. Re:Iron Man == "perfect A" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The movie (and character of Iron Man in particular) is decidedly anti-war. You can't make a former-arms-dealer-turned-superhero without it being anti-war.

      But being anti-war doesn't mean you need to be anti-armed forces. Part of why Iron Man was a good movie is because it was able to properly balance being both anti-war and pro-armed forces.

      Like it or not, you need an army to remain a secure/solvent country. And sometimes you need to go to war. But that doesn't mean war should be painted in a positive or glorious light.

    5. Re:Iron Man == "perfect A" ? by glwtta · · Score: 1

      The visuals were nice but the story was cheesy and had far too much "support the troops" patriotism in it (is there any reason Iraq had to be in the movie at all?)

      I agree that it wasn't perfect, but it was definitely way, way above average for Summer Shlock. It had that rarest of qualities: internal consistency - characters actually behaving in a reasonable manner that drove the story forward (as opposed to the usual progression of explody set-pieces). Combine that with a smattering of charisma that actually makes you care the slightest bit about some of the people on screen, and I can forgive a lot of preposterousness (like McGivering up a walking, flying, rocket-launching and flame-throwing Mecha-thing, in a cave, out of rocket parts). It's cheesy, but it makes sense, which I like a lot more than the other way around.

      I think it gets brought up so often because it actually is a well-made movie about explosions, and we are so used to being told that that's just not possible, or even desirable (usually regarding the sort of crap that Michael Bay and his ilk slap together from time to time).

      It also didn't try to cram any sort of simplistic, cloying "message" down our throats, which I always appreciate (some people say it did, but then they seem to have diametrically opposed impressions of what that "message" was, which I think is evidence to the contrary).

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    6. Re:Iron Man == "perfect A" ? by dbcad7 · · Score: 1

      Wow.. where to start ?... How do you get "don't support the troops" out of the movie ? ... Does realizing that not supplying the enemy with weapons that will then kill your own people, not support the troops ? This movie hardly shows the defense industry as evil, but addresses the issue of arms sales which in the real world often is ... Let's make the stretch that you want to make, and say that this movie is "Anti War" .. How does being Anti War become Un Patriotic ?

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    7. Re:Iron Man == "perfect A" ? by firefly4f4 · · Score: 1

      When did I say it was a perfect A? All I said is that is that Iron Man was the best movie I've seen all year. Mind you, I do rate it 5/5, but still...

      I will say this, though: where did you get any, "support the troops" messages out of the movie? All I saw was a movie about a weapons manufacturer who was deeply disturbed that his weapons were being used AGAINST his beliefs, and he decides to take matters into his own hands to prevent it. As JudgeFurious said, it also fits the character.

      Also, for the record, the other movies I have seen this year (ie, summer), for comparision:

      Indianna Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
      The Incredible Hulk
      Wall-E -- didn't like this nearly as much as I'd hoped
      Hancock
      Get Smart
      Wanted

      None of those come close to Hellboy II or Iron Man in my book.

    8. Re:Iron Man == "perfect A" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >

      The minute you spit on a soldier for doing his or her job.

    9. Re:Iron Man == "perfect A" ? by lennier · · Score: 1

      "Like it or not, you need an army to remain a secure/solvent country. And sometimes you need to go to war. But that doesn't mean war should be painted in a positive or glorious light."

      I'm sorry, but that simply is not logical.

      If you think war is NECESSARY, you by definition DO think that it's honourable. That it's an occupation that good people need to be involved in, and should have their choice to do so supported rather than criticised.

      That means that given you believe that 'you need an army to remain a secure/solvent country', then yes, you DO think that fighting a war in defence of one's country IS 'positive' and 'glorious'. Glory doesn't always mean 'fun' and 'pleasant'. It means 'it was a horrible thing but someone needed to do it, and I'm glad they did'.

      But if war really is a BAD thing - not just an unpleasant necessity like cleaning toilets, digging the garden or nursing the sick - NOBODY needs to do it. In fact, everyone needs to NOT do it.

      I'm anti-war, and I have the courage to admit that that means that I think that people who have chosen to fight wars even for the best of reasons have actually made a terrible mistake.

      Why is this so hard to accept? Why this constant double-talk of 'oh, I'm anti-war, but pro-military'?

      You simply can't be both. Not unless you transform the armed forces into a force whose mission does NOT involve killing people.

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    10. Re:Iron Man == "perfect A" ? by lennier · · Score: 1

      Yes. I see Iron Man, in both comic and film versions, as attempting to straddle a delicate line between left-wing and right-wing positions on war, to avoid offending anyone.

      The result to me was a sort of standard wishy-washy 'yay, hoo-ra for war, kill our enemies, death to tyrants, hooray for defence contractors, but booooo those naaasty Arms Dealers on our side who SOMEHOW manage to sell OUR WEAPONS to the WRONG PEOPLE! Who kill AMERICAN BOYS IN UNIFORM (instead of Afghanistani kids having lunch)' position that we've seen for years.

      It's not actually an honest representation of what happens in wars and arms manufacture, and how the American defence industry is funded, and the shifting geopolitical alliances that see people like Al Quaeda, the Taliban and the mujihadeen be CIA assets and 'freedom fighters' against the Soviets in, say, Rambo III but Evil Incarnate in . But it's par for the course for American popular fiction.

      And the shadowy 'rogue arms dealer' is up there as one of the all-time favourite movie villains. Especially favourite on the left wing because you can have a villain who's NOT a foreigner, so avoid racism, and you can be all moral and righteous about nonproliferation, how weapons should be used with responsibility, etc. While still toeing the right-wing line about death to tyrants, compulsory freedom at the point of an American gun to all nations, take my nukes from my cold dead hand, etc.

      But does anyone ever ask where those evil 'arms dealers' GET their super-top-secret weapons?

      They don't fall off the back of a truck, and they don't get sold to *anyone* without top-level US Government approval, that's for sure.

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    11. Re:Iron Man == "perfect A" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seemed to show war as always bad, the defense industry as crooked and evil, the war in Afghanistan pointless (we couldn't even stop the massacre in this one small town!).

      Huh. So it's a realistic super hero film for once?

    12. Re:Iron Man == "perfect A" ? by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      >It also didn't try to cram any sort of simplistic, cloying "message" down our throats

      I could really go for a good American cheeseburger. Mmmm, this Burger King cheese burger will fit the bill!

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    13. Re:Iron Man == "perfect A" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who kill AMERICAN BOYS IN UNIFORM (instead of Afghanistani kids having lunch)' position that we've seen for years.

      That is your bias showing, not the position portrayed by the movie. Stark goes off in the suit to save the "Afghanistani" kids, not a bunch of American boys in uniform. If you recall, the Americans were sitting in a control room watching things on big video screens and deciding to do nothing.

    14. Re:Iron Man == "perfect A" ? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      If you think war is NECESSARY, you by definition DO think that it's honourable.

      Ask a hooker if "necessity" and "honor" are "by definition" the same.

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  51. My take by soulsteal · · Score: 1

    As a fan of the Mike Mignola comics and the first movie, this movie just seemed like a pale imitation of the Hellboy I envision. It had its good moments, but there are far more interesting stories in the comics to adapt to film.

    More Hecate and Baba Yaga, less pseudo-Tolkien Elf lore!

    1. Re:My take by nomadic · · Score: 1

      As a fan of the Mike Mignola comics and the first movie, this movie just seemed like a pale imitation of the Hellboy I envision. It had its good moments, but there are far more interesting stories in the comics to adapt to film.

      Were the comics actually good? I always assumed it was the typical early 90s let-the-artist-do-the-writing-too which basically killed the industry.

    2. Re:My take by Emperor+Zombie · · Score: 1

      The comics are very good, and both the Hellboy and BPRD series are still going, as well as several new spinoffs (Lobster Johnson, Abe Sapien). They're a good mixture of weird folk tales and Lovecraftian horror, with the occasional Nazi occult conspiracy thrown in for good measure.

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    3. Re:My take by soulsteal · · Score: 1

      The comics are very good. The characters are well developed and Mignola weaves the plots with semi-obscure mythos and lore.

      I love it!

  52. Re:$7.50 ticket ? where?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come to Michigan and enjoy the cheap IMAX tickets, too.

  53. Re:So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About the same time the politics section was added and there was a front page article about someone getting their name changed in WoW.

  54. Re:$7.50 ticket ? where?! by SirLurksAlot · · Score: 1

    Wow, that's outrageous. We only paid $7.50 because it was a Friday night showing at the local Regal Cinemas. Lately we've been going to the Movie Tavern for their matinee. $5.00/person and you get lunch/dinner (extra of course) with it. I was really impressed with the place; clean, affordable, good service, decent food. The seats are padded office chairs and they have a bar in front of every row to place your food on. If you need a refill you flip a switch in front of you and they bring it out. I think if more places like this existed theaters as a whole wouldn't get such a bad rap. Of course, with their business model they have all the problems of a movie theater as well as all of the problems of a restaurant, but they seem to be doing very well from what I can tell.

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  55. Loved the movie by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    My daughter and I both enjoyed the movie; the humor was even better than the first movie. I also agree with Taco's appraisal of Wall-E and Iron Man. That being said, the movie was not perfect. The puppets acting out the Elf/Human war in the beginning was definately a WTF moment, and went on far too long. Selma Blair and Jeffrey Tambor's characters are annoying. Krause could have used a little more character development (what was the deal with his velvet pouch of rings?). But Ron Perlman is perfect as Hellboy, and that saves the movie. Abe was better in this one than the orignal. It used to be the rule that movies based on comic books sucked (does anyone remember Howard the Duck?) Glad to see Hollywood has finally figured out how to make comic book movies genuinely entertaining.

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  56. liberties taken with irish legends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It kind of annoyed me. Basically, they lifted various names from prechristian Irish legends and stuck them doing bizarre things.

    It's a bit like having Moses motorcycle into Jersey on his kickass Harley and mudwrestling Jesus. This Moses has a great pair of D-cup tits that Jesus lathers up. You might be saying "awesome", if you're that way inclined, but it's that sort of "wtf?" that irish people, at least ones who are still taught the old stories, may get when they see this film. Don't say you weren't warned.

    I fear Hellboy will be popular enough that there'll be a bunch of people confusing its new and crazy manufactured part-irish mythology with the real (relatively ;-) ) irish mythology. The latter is already quite crazy enough, really (and could imo make some awesome films).

    There's an important fact: Back before 1500-2000 years ago irish history drifts into increasingly mythical nonsense, but some of it is mythologised documentation of prehistory, somewhat like the old testament is mythologised part-historical documentation of semitic history. So it's a shame when the old irish legends get even more corrupted by modern craziness than they were through the turbulent millenia and various suppression attempts of post-christian irish history.

  57. \. Chica Vote - Hellboy: Hot or Not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pros:

    > Nice pecks

    Cons:

    > drives garbage truck


    HOT or NOT????

  58. Re:$7.50 ticket ? where?! by Roxton · · Score: 1

    You should expect to pay $9.50 at most theaters in central/eastern Massachusetts. This is offset by the fact that we have nice theaters and good access to independent cinema.

  59. My reviews in a nutshell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw these three on Friday:

    Wall*E - Not bad for an animated movie, but not great either. Kung Fu Panda was way better

    Hellboy 2 - Mediocre, awesome designs, You can tell it's Guillermo Del Toro.. Anxious for The Hobbit now

    Mongol - Good but forgettable, not the standout I was expecting

  60. from the because-i-can dept. by residieu · · Score: 1, Redundant

    News for Nerds. Hellboy started as a comic book, nerds like comic books. Plus, it's Taco's own review. He can put it up on his site if he wants to. (Read the department name)

  61. Just how is this news for nerds? by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

    This site is really slipping when a movie based on a comic book about some demon playing a good guy for a government conspiracy organization fighting hell and whatever is considered of interest for geeks.

    -er, wait a minute... nevermind. Carry on.

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    1. Re:Just how is this news for nerds? by kiehlster · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting for a one-off "News for Geeks" website because the nerd has hit the fan around here.

  62. Not as good as the first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Saw it Saturday with my son...audience was very small. The movie was good, but was disappointed in the lack of action. Lots of Hellboy and friends talking. Anytime Barry Manilow songs make it into a movie, it is a bad sign.

    Overall, not bad, but not great either. Del Torro pretty much sucks at this, I fear for the Hobbit.

  63. Re:$7.50 ticket ? where?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    should come to europe, have same prices in euro here, same figure, different value...

  64. Liked the movie, hated the characters by Emperor+Zombie · · Score: 1
    ...or to be more specific, I hated what they've done to the characters.

    First things first, I should warn you that I am a huge Hellboy fan - I own all of the Hellboy and BPRD comics, and have read them multiple times. As a further warning, this post is going to be full of spoilers, so read at your own risk.

    I really wanted to like both Hellboy films; they're entertaining, the plots and writing are decent, and the special effects are very good. Unfortunately, I just can't stomach the way they've reinvented all of the characters.

    Abe Sapien is not a weak, cowardly intellectual with weird psychic hand things. Abe Sapien is tough and level-headed: this is the guy who led the team after Hellboy left, a man who has survived a fight with the Ogopogo, being shot by a monkey, and several impalings. And seriously, what's up with the hands? Who made that crap up?

    Ron Perlman actually makes a pretty damn good Hellboy, but I am sick of all this "am I a monster or am I a man?" melodrama they keep pushing in the films. Yes, there is some of that in the comics, but it's much more subtle, and much more strongly tied to his destiny as the bringer of the Apocalypse rather than the fact that he looks different. In the comics, Hellboy never really seems to make too much of a distinction between the human and supernatural worlds; he was the first person to befriend Liz Sherman, and the one who stopped the experiments on Abe and welcomed him into the team. Is he worried that he is destined to destroy the world? Yes. Is he worried that he's a big red dude with horns? Probably not.

    Also, all the romance in the films is a complete fabrication. Is it not possible to create a movie any more without shoveling in some crappy romantic sub-plot? Liz and Hellboy? Never happened, at least not yet. Especially not the pregnancy part. They are definitely fond of each other, but there has never been any real indication that their feelings go beyond a very strong friendship. In fact, all of the romance in the comics can be summed up as follows:

    • Roger: has a crush on a Roman goddess
    • Abe: used to be married, meets the ghost of his wife
    • Johann: once fell in love with a dead woman, also he asked Kate out to dinner one time.

    That's basically it, folks.

    Finally, did they really have to turn Johann into some militant German stereotype? The man was a medium, not a Gestapo agent. I am also not a fan of the redesigned containment suit.

    Yeah yeah, I know this is just some fanboy's "it's not as good as the comics!" rant, but it's true; the films are not as good as the comics, and it's because they went and changed things for no apparent reason.

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  65. Re:$7.50 ticket ? where?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AMC Theater in the Boston suburbs, prices:
    Date of Show: Monday, Jul. 14, 2008
    Time of Show: 7:00 pm

    Adult: $10.50
    Senior: $9.50
    Child: $7.50

    Matinee:

    Adult: $8.50
    Senior: $8.50
    Child: $7.50
    No matinee discount for children? Hmmm...why is that?

  66. Re:$7.50 ticket ? Hell, Try $4.50 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Charleston, SC Citadel Mall AMC 6, $4.50 matinees, $6.50 after 5pm.

    Good, large theater with reasonable popcorn and soda prices too. $11.50 total for matinee, large popcorn and large drink (both with free refills)

    All the other theaters in town, $6 matinee, $7.50 to $8.50 after 5pm.

    And yes, this is first run movies, saw Hellboy and Get Smart this weekend

  67. Re:$7.50 ticket ? where?! by SirLurksAlot · · Score: 1

    Hmmmm, they must have different pricing in different locations. At the Mill Run location (Hilliard, OH), it's $7.00 normally and $5 for matinee/children/seniors.

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  68. Screw hellboy by Snaller · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bring on Mamma Mia! *g*

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  69. Ron Perlman by Sechr+Nibw · · Score: 1

    I have to confess, I found it quite humorous that this, Slashdot, a "News for Nerds" website, would have a misspelling of Ron PERLman. I mean, it has PERL in the name, and you got it wrong! Usually typos don't aggravate me into complaining about them, which I'm not really doing this time. I'm getting a kick out of it.

    Perlman.

  70. They shouldn't expense your ticket... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry, if I were your boss I wouldn't expense a ticket for a movie when you can't even get the spelling of the main actor and star's name correct.

    But that's just me.

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  71. $10+ in NYC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In NYC, expect to pay $10.50. I thought I saw some $12.00 movie tickets this year as well.

  72. some good some bad by labmonkey09 · · Score: 1

    While I didn't think it was a bad movie, I was very disappointed. I like the original much more.

    I liked the visuals and the fight scenes - all well done. I thought Del Torro hit it right around the segment with the Giant Forest God. I enjoyed the 'Angel' near the end.

    However, the rest of the movie not so much. The German was grating. The Para organization seemed like a bad partial knock off of "Men in Black", and the Troll Market seemed like a bad knockoff of Harry Potter. The Elves seemed like a knockoff of Atlantis' bad guys (name escapes me). The word knockoff keeps coming up ...

    Still I didn't dislike it . I was just disappointed.

    I think Del Torro is setting up for future movies. I still look forward to them.

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    1. Re:some good some bad by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      I also liked the original much more. Hellboy II reminded me of "Men in Black" more than anything else.

      It was practically Men in Black 3.

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  73. Been a Good summer for Comic Book movies by Technopaladin · · Score: 1

    Maybe they will start getting it right from now on.
    Iron Man- Excellent
    Hulk- Better then Ang Lees version, a good flick
    Hancock- A great film
    Hellboy- a beautiful film lots of Eye candy, I do agree too much Love story
    and this weekend we get Batman the Dark Knight- which I hope knocks them out of the park.

    1. Re:Been a Good summer for Comic Book movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except there's no comic for Hancock. You mean it's been a good summer for super-hero movies?

  74. "Less than half those who ever lived have died" by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At one point in the last few decades it was estimated that, thanks to the human population explosion, more than half the human beings who had ever lived were still alive. (There were jokes about the expectation of eventual death being less than 50%. B-) )

    I hear that, since then, the origin date for "humans" has been pushed back enough by additional evidence that the "less than half" estimate was discredited.

    But it is an interesting thought.

    (Why SHOULD people HAVE to die, after all? At least before the heat death of the universe? OK, so the machinery of the meat breaks down. But is there any inherent reason one couldn't, with sufficient improvements in technology and application of resources, repair it indefinitely? Or even rebuild and restart it after it fails? For some time now death has been, not a state, but a prognosis: That (with current medical technology) the body's systems can no longer be repaired (and if necessary restarted) to the point that it can again operate in a way recognizable as "alive".)

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    1. Re:"Less than half those who ever lived have died" by mdm-adph · · Score: 1

      Cordwainer Smith often wrote about a world in which death had been eliminated, through a mixture of mechanical and biological means. If I remember correctly, however, the society that had achieved this eventually went back to having death, since existence without death eventually made humanity so mundane that everyone nearly lost their minds.

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  75. Re:$7.50 ticket ? where?! by PHPNerd · · Score: 1

    Normal matinee price in Dallas, TX, is $4.50.

  76. Why is this tagged marvel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does this have to do with Marvel? Hellboy is Darkhorse right?

  77. Wall-E opinion (parital SPOILER) by firefly4f4 · · Score: 1

    What I disliked about WALL-E was that it purports to be anti-commercialism/waste, while being part of that same commercialism.

    There's also the fact that I just don't buy that a race that still throws out massive amount of garbage FROM A SPACESHIP can return to a ruined Earth and make everything better.

    The interplay between WALL-E and EVE was great, though.

    I'd rate it just ahead of "A Bug's Life" as the worst Pixar film -- which I rate as the least-good (I won't say worse, as no Pixar movie has been bad, just not-as-good) simply because I always forget about A Bug's Life when I try to list Pixar's movies, so it didn't leave an impression on me.

    1. Re:Wall-E opinion (parital SPOILER) by firefly4f4 · · Score: 1

      Missed a "worst" reference... oh, well.

  78. Is CmdrTaco in 5th grade? by curiosity · · Score: 1

    I have never read a more poorly written "review" in my life. It's filled with fragments and awkward, halting sentences.

    I enjoyed the movie, but thought it was a bit mushy and predictable.

  79. I bet you loved Transformers, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I was a big fan of ... the first movie"

    Then your opinion means shit to me.

  80. It was all right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but elves? I was hoping for more elder god action.

    Maybe if I had read the comics, I would feel differently.

  81. Re:$7.50 ticket ? where?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is $7.50 the Senior discount for a Sunday morning matinee in Topeka?

    The Sunday morning matinee for Wall-E cost me $9.50!

    Great part of living in depressed michigan movies are back to costing $4.25 a flick.

  82. Less plot than your average cereal box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I kind of wanted my $10 back after seeing Hellboy 2, to be honest. It's been quite a while since I saw a movie with so little plot. As far as I could tell they put together a whole bunch of epic visual effects sequences (which were stunning, don't get me wrong) and then said "oh. Shit. We need to connect these somehow. Uh... generic-action-plot go!" The actors did their best, but mostly all they got to work with was clunky dialogue and little of it as the movie rushed to get to the next big setpiece.

  83. Beautiful -- but romantically troubled by Darklady · · Score: 1

    I hope to blog on this myself, soonish, but I'll say that I'm glad the film picked up as it went along, because I was having major problems with the interactions between Hellboy and Liz early on. Frankly, Liz came off like a bitch without a clue for more of the film than even the plot device involved justified. I also had difficulty adjusting to Abe's new voice. I found a few more things to complain about -- but the film's overall beauty and the fact I'm a freakin' sap at heart left me eager for the Blu-ray.

  84. Re:$7.50 ticket ? where?! by osobear · · Score: 1

    Nope, that would be $6.00.

  85. Can't trust this review by c0d3h4x0r · · Score: 1

    Any review coming from someone who thought "Wall-E" was a "perfect A" is automatically untrustworthy in my book. "Wall-E" was just a thinly-veiled social commentary (and an insulting one at that) disguised masquerading as a harmless kids movie. It should go in the exact same crap bin as "Happy Feet".

    Kids (and their parents) go to animated movies to have a fun time, not to be preached to. Hollywood needs to stop using kids movies to preach an agenda.

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  86. Man, did this movie suck and then some by null+etc. · · Score: 1

    This dissenting review perfectly sums up my opinion of this movie's childish storytelling: http://regulus2.azstarnet.com/blogs/philmguy/10190

  87. Guillermo did the first movie too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't understand the context of the first two paragraphs...if you were a fan of the first movie, why would you underestimate Guillermo del Toro's ability, especially drawing on Pan's Labyrinth as prior experience? Shouldn't you look at the first movie, which was directed by Guillermo del Toro as well?

  88. Re:liberties taken with irish legends... by clem · · Score: 1

    We're sorry. Please don't hit us with your shillelagh.

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  89. im sorry by xmvince · · Score: 1

    but this movie really wasn't good. i loved the matrix-elf dude though