Is this how we measure someone's worth and success? By how one fits into 'society'?
What is poverty? Have you ever thought about that? Is a homeless person poor because they don't have a car and a wide screen TV? What if those things wouldn't bring them any sort of happiness anyways?
How many hugely successful people that are highly respected by society end up so unhappy that they end it all themselves?
I'd suggest that the kind of attitude that you're presenting is very very dangerous indeed. There are as many different ways to live a life as there are people living it. Try not to judge those that choose a different path than you.
Personally, I have great respect for anyone that chooses to do their own thing, regardless of what others think or do because of it.
Every big city has the proverbial bag person that everyone knows of, has seen, even talked to whatever. Very often these people are WAY more interesting than they are given credit for. There is a guy in London (Canada) that is a tenured university prof. He has published books. Taking the time to actually talk to him will reveal a couple of things. He's brilliant. He's eccentric. He's not like you and me. He's one of the happiest people you'd ever meet.
Some people are very different, and race has nothing to do with it;)
Superficially, you might be on to something. Thankfully all of us aren't as superficial as you appear to be.
What that you mention there makes him hostile? Hostile to your sense of what is acceptable maybe, but I'd have to suggest that attitudes like this towards other human beings are as a matter of fact hostile in and of themselves.
The guy lives in his head. He didn't choose to become unkempt, he just doesn't think about it. And as someone else mentioned, the man is extremely allergic to cigarette smoke.
Further, he's been treated like crap by people like you all his life. You think you might be a bit crusty if you were treated like shit by people that didn't know the first thing about you for your whole life?
Man, I feel like a teacher lecturing an 8 year old on the playground. You should have listened back then, they weren't lying to you.
The guy that shows up wearing a t-shirt and sandals to a business meeting, and is consciously thinking 'screw em if they don't like it', is NOT the kind of geek/nerd we're talking about here.
Your typical geek/nerd may appear a bit unkempt not because of a conscious decision, but because of any related thoughts not even entering into their mind.
We're talking the kind of person that can sit down and code for 2 days straight, never even thinking about eating or whatever. People that live in their head.
There's a BIG difference. Most geeks/nerds today really aren't. It's just fashionable to be seen as such, somewhat. And a lot of these people play up the part. Sad, but true.
Unfortunately, it's usually going to be the true geeks/nerds that get fired, let go, walked over, ignored whatever because they don't fit in with the social aspects at their place of work.
Personally, where I work, I try to be very very conscious about peoples abilities, and completely shut off everything else. I don't care if you're a nice guy or not, doesn't matter at all...unless it impacts your ability to do work or other people's ability to do their work. Stink in a meeting? Whatever, you're doing a great job and don't worry we wouldn't make you meet with our customers directly as we know you wouldn't deal with it well.
I've fired people that I actually liked a lot. I've fired more people that I'd actually hang out with outside of work than people that I wouldn't. On a personal level, I really can't stand some of the people I work with. Bottom line is though, that has just about zero impact on how they do their jobs. It takes all kinds.
Who cares where UT2007 is going? That is still predominantly a PC game. Very easy to port to the 360 because of this. FPS's still, and likely never will, be that big a market segment on most consoles. Yes, controls have gotten better, but they still utterly suck compared to the control you get on a PC.
For some reason, the 360 has carved out a niche with FPS's and found a solid group of gamers that seem to enjoy FPS's on a console quite a bit. Couldn't tell you why, I've tried all the key suspects myself and still would never sit down at a 360 to play a FPS over my PC. But hey, it obviously works for some...thus there is a market there for UT2007. Not so much on the PS3.
That really says nothing about the potential success of the PS3 though. Just like Halo sells millions of xboxen on that title alone, FF sells millions of playstations, and will again. It'll have a lot more to do with the breadth and quality of the entire game library on a particular system...something that won't really be obvious for a year or two from now.
Yep, this is par for the course for a new Sony console. The only thing that _might_ make this fail is the other consoles. As for this release though, there are never many great games available when a new sony console comes out. This is for a number of reasons, but most revolve around the more complicated system they always end up putting out. It takes a couple of years to learn how to squeeze everything out of a new piece of sony kit.
There are always a certain number of people that buy a new PS immediately, but they've never had a console that just flew off the shelves at launch. They're like the locomotive in the industry, take a long time to get moving, but once they are look out. Prices fall, footprint reduces, games come out in droves, sales grow and grow and grow.
IMHO, all we can tell at this point about the current state of the consoles is this: a) It's too early as usual to weigh in on Sony, but the indicators show similar success to previous launches. b) MS is in a typical holding pattern. Picking up more sales due to the timing of games being available and specifically, a couple games that the japanese market is actually interested in. c) The Wii is off to a great start...time will tell, but unless they screw up the games coming down the pipe in the future, it should be Nintendo's most successful console to date.
Don't expect much to change for at LEAST another year. Now taking bets on how many articles on this subject we'll see here within that time...I think we're already well over half a dozen;)
I went through French immersion, spoke it completely fluently. Partook in exchanges to both Quebec and France, no problem whatsoever. Over 15 years ago now.
Not a lot of french is spoken in the greater Toronto area, and thus I've lost the ability.
Now, I am quite certain that if I was thrown into a french speaking environment, I would very likely pick it up again quite quickly. But it's certainly not an ability I can just pull out at my own whim anymore.
Just because you can find the word effort contained within the definition of the word difficult in the dictionary does not mean the two words are interchangeable. I think _you_ need to learn how to use a dictionary.
The use of those two words in the above post are completely legitimate.
Are you _still_ trying to make the world think Canada is the source of all your terrorist troubles? Still having trouble drumming up support to put up a wall between us? Still can't convince anyone that that would actually change a darned thing in the US?
We love you GWB, if only for being so easy to laugh at.
Standard threat that is completely basis unless you actually signed an employment agreement that states such...and even then you can't sign away your basic rights and freedoms. Things like this can render entire contracts null and void.
I'd be inclined to talk loud, and often. And you just try and fire me for doing so thank you very much.
I'm personally about to leave where I work because of the hiring practices here.
Of the last 6 dev hires here, every single one was a friend of one of the devs or another. There are now eight of them that are all good school chums. I wouldn't have hired half of them on their actual qualifications.
But I should have seen the writing on the wall when I started here years ago. I've never seen so many married couples working at one place.
Try to find a company that hires on qualifications, not on ass kissing. You'll be much happier. (Unless of course you're an under-qualified ass-kisser yourself;) )
I'm only digging at the mindset here specifically actually. Sony is evil for selling a high tech gadget for 600. Apple can do no wrong for doing the same. It's just a bizarre viewpoint around here. I'm not intending an actual comparison between the two by any means.
My biggest question is why, when people here on slash are much more informed and have a pretty good idea what things are worth, is this the case? $600 is a bloody expensive phone. (Sure, that's pretty norm in the SMS market, but that's a niche market subsidized for the most part by big business...not really comparable)
But because it's Apple...the Apple tax is ok, even respectable to pay. Arguably, they're charging more than it's worth to produce.
With Sony, even with them selling bleeding edge tech at a LOSS, that's not good enough.
Really, I just don't understand how the average/.er places value on things, none of it makes much sense.
I don't think that has much to do with it at all anyways. In my experience, jobs pay in relation to the requirements needed to do the job. Minimum wage jobs don't exist to keep spare change in dependants pockets. Minimum wage should not be higher for certain people. There is no entitlement involved with earning a decent wage.
It's all about experience and knowledge. If all you know how to do will only net you a minimum wage job, so be it. Most of us have been there. Even those of us that did have to work to survive in our teens. Trust me, there's nothing better than a couple years on your own in the 'real world' earning minimum wage to convince you to get a better education and thus a better job. Interestingly enough, of all my friends I still know from my teen years, the ones that were making do for themselves ALL are self sufficient, educated, and hold decent jobs. I know more than a few degree holders though (On the parental's buck of course) that are flipping burgers now.
I'd be inclined to take that one step further and state that while many people may be able to _drive_ a vehicle, way too many of them can't operate one correctly to save their lives, and certainly have no idea what's going on inside.
My mood has not been affected, why would it be? Even if you were the poster I was replying to, which you are not, it wouldn't matter to me. Since you indeed are not the poster I was replying to, your comment means, well, absolutely nothing at all. Happy now?
Wasn't disputing the potential viability of that solution.
Just stating that given a choice, let it radiate out (however slowly) into the ocean or put it back in the core...I'm going to choose the latter every time.
Personally, I'm a huge proponent of waste not want not. There have been studies done that conclude definitively that there should be no such thing as nuclear waste at all. (Actually, this can be applied to the waste generated by ANY industry). If entities were to put the same amount of resources into R&D against dealing with the waste that their industry creates as they put into their product in the first place, they would end up with no waste. Not only that, they would end up making profits off of said 'waste'.
There really is no such thing as waste. I truly believe 'garbage' should be made illegal, period. Whatever form it may be in.
I've been waiting for someone to pull that out somewhere, couldn't have chosen a better use. Think my wife made me watch that skit 50 times over the holidays;)
Ehh, I took the OP's as being uninformed and posing a legitimate query. Wrong assumption for sure, but not completely off base for someone that might not actually know. Thus why I thought it would have been more appropriate to inform this person rather than chastise them.
At $600 for 8MB, you're right, it's not as simple as "this is a really expensive phone.". It's more like "This is a ludicrously expensive MP3 player."
It damned well better be a phone first at that price point.
Curious too...most people seem to think this is a reasonable price for what is being offered. Why is $600 for a bleeding edge phone a good price but $600 for a bleeding edge console is a rip off?
My experience, and that of many others, does not line up with yours.
This has been done millions of times now. It works. We're not talking NT4 here.
The hour for that kind of baseless FUD is well past. 8 years ago you would have had a point, but you've missed a few boats since.
Further, it is complete bullshit that someone who can't even get a windows 2003 server up and running with basic file sharing and web services would have an easy time setting up Mandrake, Samba and Apache.
I'm sorry, but your FUD is showing through loud and clear.
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No, rather I'm suggesting that social traits have nothing to do with ones ability.
Thanks for proving my point :)
That has nothing to do with the popularity of FPS's on consoles. Split screen is a predominant feature of console games in general.
Bearded man. He died recently if I'm not mistaken. (Last winter?)
I should remember his name, but for the life of me I can't pull it up.
Is this how we measure someone's worth and success? By how one fits into 'society'?
What is poverty? Have you ever thought about that? Is a homeless person poor because they don't have a car and a wide screen TV? What if those things wouldn't bring them any sort of happiness anyways?
How many hugely successful people that are highly respected by society end up so unhappy that they end it all themselves?
I'd suggest that the kind of attitude that you're presenting is very very dangerous indeed. There are as many different ways to live a life as there are people living it. Try not to judge those that choose a different path than you.
Personally, I have great respect for anyone that chooses to do their own thing, regardless of what others think or do because of it.
Every big city has the proverbial bag person that everyone knows of, has seen, even talked to whatever. Very often these people are WAY more interesting than they are given credit for. There is a guy in London (Canada) that is a tenured university prof. He has published books. Taking the time to actually talk to him will reveal a couple of things. He's brilliant. He's eccentric. He's not like you and me. He's one of the happiest people you'd ever meet.
;)
Some people are very different, and race has nothing to do with it
Superficially, you might be on to something. Thankfully all of us aren't as superficial as you appear to be.
What that you mention there makes him hostile? Hostile to your sense of what is acceptable maybe, but I'd have to suggest that attitudes like this towards other human beings are as a matter of fact hostile in and of themselves.
The guy lives in his head. He didn't choose to become unkempt, he just doesn't think about it. And as someone else mentioned, the man is extremely allergic to cigarette smoke.
Further, he's been treated like crap by people like you all his life. You think you might be a bit crusty if you were treated like shit by people that didn't know the first thing about you for your whole life?
Man, I feel like a teacher lecturing an 8 year old on the playground. You should have listened back then, they weren't lying to you.
I don't agree.
The guy that shows up wearing a t-shirt and sandals to a business meeting, and is consciously thinking 'screw em if they don't like it', is NOT the kind of geek/nerd we're talking about here.
Your typical geek/nerd may appear a bit unkempt not because of a conscious decision, but because of any related thoughts not even entering into their mind.
We're talking the kind of person that can sit down and code for 2 days straight, never even thinking about eating or whatever. People that live in their head.
There's a BIG difference. Most geeks/nerds today really aren't. It's just fashionable to be seen as such, somewhat. And a lot of these people play up the part. Sad, but true.
Unfortunately, it's usually going to be the true geeks/nerds that get fired, let go, walked over, ignored whatever because they don't fit in with the social aspects at their place of work.
Personally, where I work, I try to be very very conscious about peoples abilities, and completely shut off everything else. I don't care if you're a nice guy or not, doesn't matter at all...unless it impacts your ability to do work or other people's ability to do their work. Stink in a meeting? Whatever, you're doing a great job and don't worry we wouldn't make you meet with our customers directly as we know you wouldn't deal with it well.
I've fired people that I actually liked a lot. I've fired more people that I'd actually hang out with outside of work than people that I wouldn't. On a personal level, I really can't stand some of the people I work with. Bottom line is though, that has just about zero impact on how they do their jobs. It takes all kinds.
Who cares where UT2007 is going? That is still predominantly a PC game. Very easy to port to the 360 because of this. FPS's still, and likely never will, be that big a market segment on most consoles. Yes, controls have gotten better, but they still utterly suck compared to the control you get on a PC.
For some reason, the 360 has carved out a niche with FPS's and found a solid group of gamers that seem to enjoy FPS's on a console quite a bit. Couldn't tell you why, I've tried all the key suspects myself and still would never sit down at a 360 to play a FPS over my PC. But hey, it obviously works for some...thus there is a market there for UT2007. Not so much on the PS3.
That really says nothing about the potential success of the PS3 though. Just like Halo sells millions of xboxen on that title alone, FF sells millions of playstations, and will again. It'll have a lot more to do with the breadth and quality of the entire game library on a particular system...something that won't really be obvious for a year or two from now.
Yep, this is par for the course for a new Sony console. The only thing that _might_ make this fail is the other consoles. As for this release though, there are never many great games available when a new sony console comes out. This is for a number of reasons, but most revolve around the more complicated system they always end up putting out. It takes a couple of years to learn how to squeeze everything out of a new piece of sony kit.
;)
There are always a certain number of people that buy a new PS immediately, but they've never had a console that just flew off the shelves at launch. They're like the locomotive in the industry, take a long time to get moving, but once they are look out. Prices fall, footprint reduces, games come out in droves, sales grow and grow and grow.
IMHO, all we can tell at this point about the current state of the consoles is this:
a) It's too early as usual to weigh in on Sony, but the indicators show similar success to previous launches.
b) MS is in a typical holding pattern. Picking up more sales due to the timing of games being available and specifically, a couple games that the japanese market is actually interested in.
c) The Wii is off to a great start...time will tell, but unless they screw up the games coming down the pipe in the future, it should be Nintendo's most successful console to date.
Don't expect much to change for at LEAST another year. Now taking bets on how many articles on this subject we'll see here within that time...I think we're already well over half a dozen
It takes effort for a healthy adult to climb a flight of 100 stairs. However, this is not a difficult task to accomplish.
Some mathematical equations are quite difficult but require very little effort to solve.
Difficult != Effort. They are not synonymous contrary to what some people here appear to believe.
So very very true.
I went through French immersion, spoke it completely fluently. Partook in exchanges to both Quebec and France, no problem whatsoever. Over 15 years ago now.
Not a lot of french is spoken in the greater Toronto area, and thus I've lost the ability.
Now, I am quite certain that if I was thrown into a french speaking environment, I would very likely pick it up again quite quickly. But it's certainly not an ability I can just pull out at my own whim anymore.
Just because you can find the word effort contained within the definition of the word difficult in the dictionary does not mean the two words are interchangeable. I think _you_ need to learn how to use a dictionary.
The use of those two words in the above post are completely legitimate.
Yes, but who would expect that someone could die by participating in a radio show contest?
There's definitely a reasonable expectation of safety there. Games to the death are not exactly condoned in our society.
Unless you already KNEW there was danger in taking part, what would make you question whether it was safe to participate or not?
GWB? Is that you?
Are you _still_ trying to make the world think Canada is the source of all your terrorist troubles? Still having trouble drumming up support to put up a wall between us? Still can't convince anyone that that would actually change a darned thing in the US?
We love you GWB, if only for being so easy to laugh at.
Standard threat that is completely basis unless you actually signed an employment agreement that states such...and even then you can't sign away your basic rights and freedoms. Things like this can render entire contracts null and void.
I'd be inclined to talk loud, and often. And you just try and fire me for doing so thank you very much.
I'm personally about to leave where I work because of the hiring practices here.
;) )
Of the last 6 dev hires here, every single one was a friend of one of the devs or another. There are now eight of them that are all good school chums. I wouldn't have hired half of them on their actual qualifications.
But I should have seen the writing on the wall when I started here years ago. I've never seen so many married couples working at one place.
Try to find a company that hires on qualifications, not on ass kissing. You'll be much happier. (Unless of course you're an under-qualified ass-kisser yourself
I'm not suggesting that, not at all.
/.er places value on things, none of it makes much sense.
I'm only digging at the mindset here specifically actually. Sony is evil for selling a high tech gadget for 600. Apple can do no wrong for doing the same. It's just a bizarre viewpoint around here. I'm not intending an actual comparison between the two by any means.
My biggest question is why, when people here on slash are much more informed and have a pretty good idea what things are worth, is this the case? $600 is a bloody expensive phone. (Sure, that's pretty norm in the SMS market, but that's a niche market subsidized for the most part by big business...not really comparable)
But because it's Apple...the Apple tax is ok, even respectable to pay. Arguably, they're charging more than it's worth to produce.
With Sony, even with them selling bleeding edge tech at a LOSS, that's not good enough.
Really, I just don't understand how the average
I don't think that has much to do with it at all anyways. In my experience, jobs pay in relation to the requirements needed to do the job. Minimum wage jobs don't exist to keep spare change in dependants pockets. Minimum wage should not be higher for certain people. There is no entitlement involved with earning a decent wage.
It's all about experience and knowledge. If all you know how to do will only net you a minimum wage job, so be it. Most of us have been there. Even those of us that did have to work to survive in our teens. Trust me, there's nothing better than a couple years on your own in the 'real world' earning minimum wage to convince you to get a better education and thus a better job. Interestingly enough, of all my friends I still know from my teen years, the ones that were making do for themselves ALL are self sufficient, educated, and hold decent jobs. I know more than a few degree holders though (On the parental's buck of course) that are flipping burgers now.
I'd be inclined to take that one step further and state that while many people may be able to _drive_ a vehicle, way too many of them can't operate one correctly to save their lives, and certainly have no idea what's going on inside.
My mood has not been affected, why would it be? Even if you were the poster I was replying to, which you are not, it wouldn't matter to me. Since you indeed are not the poster I was replying to, your comment means, well, absolutely nothing at all. Happy now?
Wasn't disputing the potential viability of that solution.
Just stating that given a choice, let it radiate out (however slowly) into the ocean or put it back in the core...I'm going to choose the latter every time.
Personally, I'm a huge proponent of waste not want not. There have been studies done that conclude definitively that there should be no such thing as nuclear waste at all. (Actually, this can be applied to the waste generated by ANY industry). If entities were to put the same amount of resources into R&D against dealing with the waste that their industry creates as they put into their product in the first place, they would end up with no waste. Not only that, they would end up making profits off of said 'waste'.
There really is no such thing as waste. I truly believe 'garbage' should be made illegal, period. Whatever form it may be in.
ROFLMAO :)
;)
I've been waiting for someone to pull that out somewhere, couldn't have chosen a better use. Think my wife made me watch that skit 50 times over the holidays
Ehh, I took the OP's as being uninformed and posing a legitimate query. Wrong assumption for sure, but not completely off base for someone that might not actually know. Thus why I thought it would have been more appropriate to inform this person rather than chastise them.
At $600 for 8MB, you're right, it's not as simple as "this is a really expensive phone.". It's more like "This is a ludicrously expensive MP3 player."
It damned well better be a phone first at that price point.
Curious too...most people seem to think this is a reasonable price for what is being offered. Why is $600 for a bleeding edge phone a good price but $600 for a bleeding edge console is a rip off?
My experience, and that of many others, does not line up with yours.
This has been done millions of times now. It works. We're not talking NT4 here.
The hour for that kind of baseless FUD is well past. 8 years ago you would have had a point, but you've missed a few boats since.
Further, it is complete bullshit that someone who can't even get a windows 2003 server up and running with basic file sharing and web services would have an easy time setting up Mandrake, Samba and Apache.
I'm sorry, but your FUD is showing through loud and clear.