We finally managed to officially drop NS4 and pre IE5 support about a year and a half ago or so on our worst hanger-on clients. We did replace all of our web applications with standards compliant support only close to 4 years ago now. We also left the old NS4/preIE5 supported web applications online to meet our requirements. It wasn't until we could show our clients the logs for the legacy sites, that were pretty much entirely empty, that it'd be acceptable to drop that support.
Our stance with new contracts is that we write to standards only for web apps. We will NOT enter into ANY contracts that specify explicitly what browsers will be supported. Pick a standard or pick someone else is our current motto;)
Care to explain why the requirement of it being a comparable app that runs in a browser is retarded?
It wouldn't exactly be a web application if it didn't run in a browser would it?
There are lots of mapping software packages that I could install on a machine locally that perform better than google maps, but that wouldn't be the same thing would it?
I write these kinds of apps. I have been doing so for years now. I haven't written a browser-fork in code in AGES. I don't even use the hacks in CSS for chrissakes. They aren't needed.
That sounds like a bad dev process, not exactly the fault of the tech used. Web apps can be thoroughly documented, and comprehensive tests most certainly can be written.
Tell you what, I'll bow down to your every utterance for the rest of eternity if you can provide a working example of a mapping application that runs in most major browsers and is as fast, compact and responsive as maps.google.com is done using any technology currently available natively in a browser/webserver EXCEPT javascript, PHP and HTTP.
Oh fuck it, you can keep the HTTP.
In other words, put up or shut up.
(Yes, I've been trolled. Just trying to balance the FUD a bit.)
That's a rather sideways response to my post. Thank you for informing me of this wonderful legitimate use of a hard drive, I never would have thought of that!
Why don't we just nip this in the butt now and label them what they actually are then, viruses. And then lets deal with the makers of them as virus writers. They get what they are asking for (not being labelled 'spyware/foistware/malware'), and we get what we need: these pricks fined into oblivion, and/or reamed in a wee private cell.
The only xbox owners I know that have anything significant on their HD have them filled with pirated games. I am entirely unsurprised at this move by MS.
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Man that must be nice ehh? To loose in one court and be able to say: 'Nah, I don't like that outcome, let's try another one...'
I remember that one. I also remember thinking that the person that should have been charged under child porn laws was the person that read that into them in the first place and called the police.
'In the eye of the beholder', it deffinately takes a sick mind to see child porn in an image like that.
You get older women dressing to look younger or underdeveloped who naturally look younger.
I don't think they are too worried about older women _dressing_ to look younger. They may be successful at that, but tend to fail miserably when they attempt to _undress_ to look younger;)
Aside from the fact that you're taking a tongue-in-cheek comment way too seriously, it's brutally obvious that you don't understand economics very well.
What caused the great depression? Think about it. Was it at the beginning, or the end, of a major struggle. (In this case, a war). Yeah, that's right, it was caused by the _end_ of a war. What ended it? Right, that'd be the beginning of another war.
Typically, an economy does very very well when the war machine starts firing up. Think about what would happen if a big US city was incinerated, and martial law was enacted. What would drive that force? Mmm, you got it! Money.
How's about you stick to Gopher if you don't want anything else out of the internet? Then you could let all us 'drongos' happily consume on the "Hyper Net" tx.
That is partly the purpose of the design of the new cell processor, allowing the processor to scale as required. It has a general purpose CPU, plus the actual cell's. You might just get what you're wishing for;)
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...it is inefficient machine wise because it's parsing bytes one bit at a time which is an extremely slow and computationally expensive operation.
Try writing an XML parser in binary (no compiler) and see how difficult it is.
Seriously, your arguments are not sound in this context.
Um, try reading the post I was replying to and then you might get it.
But in short, no, that's not what I was refering to.
You're really comparing that to google maps?
If you can't see the difference then this conversation just isn't worth having.
Don't be appologetic. You aren't doing any browser detection at all. What you are doing rather is a feature test. Big difference.
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And of course, it's still a big plus that there's only one feature test in that code
So, you link to a picture viewing app and a flash penetration stat from...wait for it...The Horses Mouth!
Care to try again?
We finally managed to officially drop NS4 and pre IE5 support about a year and a half ago or so on our worst hanger-on clients. We did replace all of our web applications with standards compliant support only close to 4 years ago now. We also left the old NS4/preIE5 supported web applications online to meet our requirements. It wasn't until we could show our clients the logs for the legacy sites, that were pretty much entirely empty, that it'd be acceptable to drop that support.
;)
Our stance with new contracts is that we write to standards only for web apps. We will NOT enter into ANY contracts that specify explicitly what browsers will be supported. Pick a standard or pick someone else is our current motto
Um, not even close speed wise. The map applet doesn't even work on my system, at all. Plus, they are using all sorts of js etc in that site.
Care to explain why the requirement of it being a comparable app that runs in a browser is retarded?
It wouldn't exactly be a web application if it didn't run in a browser would it?
There are lots of mapping software packages that I could install on a machine locally that perform better than google maps, but that wouldn't be the same thing would it?
Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit.
Can I say it again?
Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit.
I write these kinds of apps. I have been doing so for years now. I haven't written a browser-fork in code in AGES. I don't even use the hacks in CSS for chrissakes. They aren't needed.
Remind me never to hire you mmm kay?
I was in agreement with you until you took it too far.
Provide me with a working flash example that at least matches google maps functionality and I may reconcider, regardless of how easy/hard to write.
And 99% penetration?
You really didn't need to exagerate to make your point. Now you've just undermined it.
That sounds like a bad dev process, not exactly the fault of the tech used. Web apps can be thoroughly documented, and comprehensive tests most certainly can be written.
Oh shut up troll.
Tell you what, I'll bow down to your every utterance for the rest of eternity if you can provide a working example of a mapping application that runs in most major browsers and is as fast, compact and responsive as maps.google.com is done using any technology currently available natively in a browser/webserver EXCEPT javascript, PHP and HTTP.
Oh fuck it, you can keep the HTTP.
In other words, put up or shut up.
(Yes, I've been trolled. Just trying to balance the FUD a bit.)
But you probably pronounced it correctly, in french ;)
Phonics at work my friend, phonics at work.
That's a rather sideways response to my post.
Thank you for informing me of this wonderful legitimate use of a hard drive, I never would have thought of that!
Why don't we just nip this in the butt now and label them what they actually are then, viruses. And then lets deal with the makers of them as virus writers. They get what they are asking for (not being labelled 'spyware/foistware/malware'), and we get what we need: these pricks fined into oblivion, and/or reamed in a wee private cell.
The only xbox owners I know that have anything significant on their HD have them filled with pirated games. I am entirely unsurprised at this move by MS.
Man that must be nice ehh? To loose in one court and be able to say: 'Nah, I don't like that outcome, let's try another one...'
I remember that one. I also remember thinking that the person that should have been charged under child porn laws was the person that read that into them in the first place and called the police.
'In the eye of the beholder', it deffinately takes a sick mind to see child porn in an image like that.
And, you have to either be married to her, or less than 4 years older than her.
I don't think they are too worried about older women _dressing_ to look younger. They may be successful at that, but tend to fail miserably when they attempt to _undress_ to look younger
Google for data in their internal knowledgebase? I really hope not unless they're running a google appliance on site.
And informative no less.
You used mobius records I presume? ;)
Aside from the fact that you're taking a tongue-in-cheek comment way too seriously, it's brutally obvious that you don't understand economics very well.
What caused the great depression? Think about it. Was it at the beginning, or the end, of a major struggle. (In this case, a war). Yeah, that's right, it was caused by the _end_ of a war. What ended it? Right, that'd be the beginning of another war.
Typically, an economy does very very well when the war machine starts firing up. Think about what would happen if a big US city was incinerated, and martial law was enacted. What would drive that force? Mmm, you got it! Money.
How's about you stick to Gopher if you don't want anything else out of the internet? Then you could let all us 'drongos' happily consume on the "Hyper Net" tx.
There are other ways to help people.
That is partly the purpose of the design of the new cell processor, allowing the processor to scale as required. It has a general purpose CPU, plus the actual cell's. You might just get what you're wishing for ;)