Re:Have the init scripts been fixed yet?
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Ummm, if you have a junior admin who doesn't know how to HUP a process (or for that matter, read a man page), may gods of luck bless you a thousand times over, because you will surely need it.
The Secret to BSD Trolls!...Is that they are actually written by BSD users themselves, in an effort to keep lamoid linux users from making statements on their mailing lists like:
- FreeBSD is my favorite linux distro!
- How do I copy stuff under BSD? I tried clicking
all over the place, but I don't see a cursor or
anything.
- I know the install was completely self
explanatory and all, but I really prefer
Mandrake/Redhat's GUI installation. Can you
give me pointers on porting it? Oh yeah, I want
that little penguin, errr, i mean daemon screen
on boot too. Who needs kernel messages?
- When I try to build a port, and it says
checksum mismatch, how do I override it?
- OpenBSD is elite. No one can hack me! Oh yeah.
I also forgot my root password, can someone
help? My IP is x.x.x.x...
- I just installed NetBSD on my { insert old or
obscure hardware here }, but I can't play Doom
under an i386 emulator running linux emulation
of wine. Why?
- How will running "rm -rf/*" fix my problem
again?
Keep up the good work, guys!:-) Hope I'm not giving away your secret!
Peace, DH
Yeehaw! Time to lose some karma!
Re:Have the init scripts been fixed yet?
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NetBSD 1.6 Released
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Ugh. How nasty. Different files all doing different things, with no connection amongst them. Nothing more fun than having 95-99 all in order and needing to insert an important function before 97 but after 96. What's wrong with just putting it in a single file?
Not to criticize linux and others that take this approach, but there is something to be said for the simplicity of the/etc/rc* approach.
On BSD (as on linux): apachectl start/stop/restart/graceful works. ndc start/stop/reload/restart works.] etc, etc.
Why you need a script to wrap around that (that you have to type/etc/rc.d/ before) is beyond me.
Hello, McFly?!? Rebuilding from source and rebooting *DOES NOT* guarantee expulsion of the hacker. Any binary on a compromised system can be compromised - including gcc, ld, and other tools used during the make build process. You need a fresh install with known good binaries, pf everything, cvsup/anoncvs up to date, and then rebuild your world, rebuild all installed ports *from scratch, not packages*, and any other third-party software needs to be rebuilt from source or if unavailable, redownload the binary from the original site, checking the md5 sums. Then you can say you are safe.
People who argue about grammar and spelling are funny. Keep up the good work guys!
Re:Weird but unsurprising
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> I think it's down to a combination of concentration and pleasure.
Bingo. And add to the list musicians, painters, writers, spies, and anyone else who becomes totally involved in doing something. I used to get it pulling loads (that is to say, gathering together the parts needed for a delivery) at the lumber yard I worked at. Piloting an aircraft has done it for me too. Not to mention sex, dance, and probably hundreds of other things. Zen can happen anytime, anywhere.
> some people pride themselves (me not included) > in a more advanced sound system so they can say > they've got something better than person x's
...and some people use their advanced sound system to do low-level synthesis, remixing, adding effects, etc. The effect of going from low-end to high-end sound hardware can be dramatic - if you're dealing with really low level synthesis, you just can't use an el-cheapo card. Case in point - I was twiddling with my music synthesis program on a friend's computer, and noticed all these weird high harmonics. After frantically searching my code for the source of the bug, I suddenly realized that the problem wasn't the program, but the soundcard. I went to a different machine, and low and behold, weird high harmonics gone. Point being, if you're creating music, especially music with subtle effects, you need to be able to hear those effects properly.
Of course, most of the people who buy fancy-schmancy sound cards are just using them for gaming. And there's nothing wrong with that, because it makes them happy and brings the prices down for me:-)
The trouble is you can NEVER prove this to be safe. To another person, yes, of course you will appear exactly the same and have the exact same memories, etc. as you describe. And of course this new person will think "hey, whattaya know, the dagnab thing works, I'm over here now!" Because s/he has all the memories, etc. that the "original version" of him/herself had.
However, the question is where exactly does consciousness live? Does it A) live in the actual, physical atoms that make you up? Is it B) some manifestation of the way your neurons are wired together (as some AI researchers who claim computers have life might contend)? Or is it C) something else, totally unrelated to the physical world (ie on the astral plane, like the Spirit referred to in Christianity and other religions)?
If it's A) there's an exact copy of you somewhere else, but "you" no longer exist. If it's C), well, you're banking that God doesn't mind taking the time and effort to transport your soul over to the "new you". Only if it's B) can you rest assured that your consciousness will be transferred to the new unit, trouble free.
I, for one, wouldn't take chances on something philosophers have been debating to no end for hundreds of years now...
Well.... Normally I'd agree with you. Things are what you perceive them to be. However, when people think of teleportation, they inevitably start thinking about "Beam Me Up Scotty" type stuff. Would I be willing to drink a beer that was teleported to me? Hell yeah. Would I be willing to teleport myself to that beer and drink it there? Hell no. Would you?
Call me a troll if you like, but if you want a secure, free UNIX-like system, you don't use Linux. You use OpenBSD. The primary reasons for this are numerous - 1) it's "secure by default", all but the simplest daemons are turned off until you explicitly enable them. 2) it's always being proactively audited, with less-clean and less-safe being fixed all the time - fewer bugs = fewer potential exploits (as opposed to linux, where it sometimes seems developers are just busy adding extra command line switches and a scripting language based on brainfuck to their program;-) - point being it's been around longer, and the interfaces are much more stable, thus making bug-fixing (not to mention administration) much easier. 3) Cutting edge support for crypto/security tools. OpenSSH was made by many of the same developers, Ipsec, skey authentication, kerberos, support for hardware cards etc. you name it, it's there. Even a tripwire-esque program is included in the default install. I'm sure I'm forgetting much more.
Other pluses: it's Really Free(TM) Software - as opposed to Redhat and others which bundle non-free software in the default distro, it's manpages don't suck, etc.
Solar and electric powered planes are great for carrying light loads. They will never replace the 7x7, MD-80s, etc, you just can't get enough thrust out of them. The only way to get airplanes clean is to use Hydrogen as a fuel, and, considering fishing boats are a challenge in this article, I'd say that's a long way off.
SFS has some problems. Considering that last time I checked, you needed to install a custom version os such utils as ls if you wanted SFS to even have the user/groupIDs on remote systems display as non-gibberish. Second, SFS is SLOW AS MOLASSES. Way slower than NFS, SMB, or SFTP. We're talking orders-of-magnitude slower. And you can forget about flock, because SFS uses a weird NFS-to-localhost thing anyway, which is what this guy wanted to begin with.
> Other religions like Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Wicca and probably a lot more allow for secular coexistance and equal rights.
No they don't. All religions say that their way is the "one true way" to live in heaven/be at peace with Earth/whatever else. The only difference is that religion means a whole lot less than economics (and the political structure that is so delicately intertwined with it) in Europe and the U.S. as compared to most Islamic countries. Money is the new religion in the West. When the developing world starts catching up economically, I'm sure religion will mean less there as well (for better or worse).
> Let's be honest, Christianity and Judaism haven't been as bad to us as many seem to think.
Ever heard of the crusades? How about the inquisition?
> When people insult Christianity and Judaism and proudly declare themselves to hate Christianity or Judaism, you don't see conservative Christians and Jews lining up to strap C4 to their bodies and suicide bomb their "enemies."
No you don't. Instead you see the IDF killing innocent Lebanese and Palestinians, and the Americans killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq through blockades. This is not flamebait. A good friend of mine was in an elite "special forces" unit when he did his (mandatory) service in Israel, and he doesn't like to talk about it. When I asked him what exactly he did, he said, point blank, "my job was to kill Arabs." (We haven't spoke about it since).
The only difference I see is that Christians and Jews have a little more technology on their side (including the means to broadcast news of such incidents faster).
> I dare you, go to Mecca and yell "Fuck Muhammad!"
I highly doubt you would get hit by AK-47 rounds. You might get your ass kicked, but I expect you'd have similar results if you went to the white house and yelled "Fuck George W. Bush." And I don't imagine they'd like it very much if you cried "Fuck Jesus Christ" in the vatican either.
I think you're a perfect example of what these articles are talking about. You have absolutely no context, basing your opinions on what you see on the idiot box (and perhaps what you read on Slashdot).
PS - For what it's worth, I consider myself a Deist as well.
As other have said in other posts, that depends entirely on what you're using it for. I have an old P2-266MHz with 128MB of EDO ram, and an really crappy video card (does 640x480, 8 bit color ONLY) - I'd imagine my cumulative clock speed, counting everything, is under 400 MHz. That's like 5 times less than the current P4 offerings. But it's running as an OpenBSD firewall and filesharing device (SMB and NFS), and I'd be a fool to waste my money on CPU upgrades. Except for the occasional make build to upgrade to the next obsd version (which takes under a day anyway), i'd be wasting my money investing in a faster anything, since its all IO bound anyway.
oops, shoulda hit preview - to carry on where we left off... classified mine as "technical problem" so they don't think it's some joe schmoe whining about an editorial peice, which I doubt they give much credence to anyway.
Here's a "deep" link for you - the feedback form. Please fill in all Name, Email, etc. fields bogusly and tell them their policy is idiotic. I classified mine as
I've read this before. While funny, this "Hofstadter's law" doesn't quite work out. Consider the function 1 - 1/x^n or such functions where the time is still bounded. The joke would be funnier if there was a clause dealing with such examples!
> it has almost none of the original UNIX source code
Yes, and, neither does linux, bsd, or many if not most of the commercial unix vendors.
> has little of the traditional UNIX architecture.
Kindly explain what on earth you are talking about. System calls? The internals of the kernel itself? Command line programs? Any way you slice it, I'm afraid you're wrong.
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Ummm, if you have a junior admin who doesn't know how to HUP a process (or for that matter, read a man page), may gods of luck bless you a thousand times over, because you will surely need it.
I just figured it out!
...Is that they are actually written by BSD users themselves, in an effort to keep lamoid linux users from making statements on their mailing lists like:
/*" fix my problem
:-) Hope I'm not giving away your secret!
The Secret to BSD Trolls!
- FreeBSD is my favorite linux distro!
- How do I copy stuff under BSD? I tried clicking
all over the place, but I don't see a cursor or
anything.
- I know the install was completely self
explanatory and all, but I really prefer
Mandrake/Redhat's GUI installation. Can you
give me pointers on porting it? Oh yeah, I want
that little penguin, errr, i mean daemon screen
on boot too. Who needs kernel messages?
- When I try to build a port, and it says
checksum mismatch, how do I override it?
- OpenBSD is elite. No one can hack me! Oh yeah.
I also forgot my root password, can someone
help? My IP is x.x.x.x...
- I just installed NetBSD on my { insert old or
obscure hardware here }, but I can't play Doom
under an i386 emulator running linux emulation
of wine. Why?
- How will running "rm -rf
again?
Keep up the good work, guys!
Peace,
DH
Yeehaw! Time to lose some karma!
Ugh. How nasty. Different files all doing different things, with no connection amongst them. Nothing more fun than having 95-99 all in order and needing to insert an important function before 97 but after 96. What's wrong with just putting it in a single file?
/etc/rc* approach.
/etc/rc.d/ before) is beyond me.
Not to criticize linux and others that take this approach, but there is something to be said for the simplicity of the
On BSD (as on linux):
apachectl start/stop/restart/graceful works.
ndc start/stop/reload/restart works.]
etc, etc.
Why you need a script to wrap around that (that you have to type
Peace,
DH
Hello, McFly?!? Rebuilding from source and rebooting *DOES NOT* guarantee expulsion of the hacker. Any binary on a compromised system can be compromised - including gcc, ld, and other tools used during the make build process. You need a fresh install with known good binaries, pf everything, cvsup/anoncvs up to date, and then rebuild your world, rebuild all installed ports *from scratch, not packages*, and any other third-party software needs to be rebuilt from source or if unavailable, redownload the binary from the original site, checking the md5 sums. Then you can say you are safe.
Cheers,
Brian
People who argue about grammar and spelling are funny. Keep up the good work guys!
> I think it's down to a combination of concentration and pleasure.
Bingo. And add to the list musicians, painters, writers, spies, and anyone else who becomes totally involved in doing something. I used to get it pulling loads (that is to say, gathering together the parts needed for a delivery) at the lumber yard I worked at. Piloting an aircraft has done it for me too. Not to mention sex, dance, and probably hundreds of other things. Zen can happen anytime, anywhere.
> some people pride themselves (me not included)
:-)
> in a more advanced sound system so they can say
> they've got something better than person x's
...and some people use their advanced sound system to do low-level synthesis, remixing, adding effects, etc. The effect of going from low-end to high-end sound hardware can be dramatic - if you're dealing with really low level synthesis, you just can't use an el-cheapo card. Case in point - I was twiddling with my music synthesis program on a friend's computer, and noticed all these weird high harmonics. After frantically searching my code for the source of the bug, I suddenly realized that the problem wasn't the program, but the soundcard. I went to a different machine, and low and behold, weird high harmonics gone. Point being, if you're creating music, especially music with subtle effects, you need to be able to hear those effects properly.
Of course, most of the people who buy fancy-schmancy sound cards are just using them for gaming. And there's nothing wrong with that, because it makes them happy and brings the prices down for me
Cheers,
DH
The trouble is you can NEVER prove this to be safe. To another person, yes, of course you will appear exactly the same and have the exact same memories, etc. as you describe. And of course this new person will think "hey, whattaya know, the dagnab thing works, I'm over here now!" Because s/he has all the memories, etc. that the "original version" of him/herself had.
However, the question is where exactly does consciousness live? Does it A) live in the actual, physical atoms that make you up? Is it B) some manifestation of the way your neurons are wired together (as some AI researchers who claim computers have life might contend)? Or is it C) something else, totally unrelated to the physical world (ie on the astral plane, like the Spirit referred to in Christianity and other religions)?
If it's A) there's an exact copy of you somewhere else, but "you" no longer exist. If it's C), well, you're banking that God doesn't mind taking the time and effort to transport your soul over to the "new you". Only if it's B) can you rest assured that your consciousness will be transferred to the new unit, trouble free.
I, for one, wouldn't take chances on something philosophers have been debating to no end for hundreds of years now...
Well.... Normally I'd agree with you. Things are what you perceive them to be. However, when people think of teleportation, they inevitably start thinking about "Beam Me Up Scotty" type stuff. Would I be willing to drink a beer that was teleported to me? Hell yeah. Would I be willing to teleport myself to that beer and drink it there? Hell no. Would you?
Other pluses: it's Really Free(TM) Software - as opposed to Redhat and others which bundle non-free software in the default distro, it's manpages don't suck, etc.
...and it's been there since the Seattle WTO protests. www.indymedia.org.
> I'd stay away from an OS that can't implement something as old and common as NFS.
Perhaps my memory is failing me, design and first implement NFS?
Solar and electric powered planes are great for carrying light loads. They will never replace the 7x7, MD-80s, etc, you just can't get enough thrust out of them. The only way to get airplanes clean is to use Hydrogen as a fuel, and, considering fishing boats are a challenge in this article, I'd say that's a long way off.
By the way, he got the URL wrong too - www.fs.net (SFS), not www.sf.net (sourceforge)
SFS has some problems. Considering that last time I checked, you needed to install a custom version os such utils as ls if you wanted SFS to even have the user/groupIDs on remote systems display as non-gibberish. Second, SFS is SLOW AS MOLASSES. Way slower than NFS, SMB, or SFTP. We're talking orders-of-magnitude slower. And you can forget about flock, because SFS uses a weird NFS-to-localhost thing anyway, which is what this guy wanted to begin with.
Err, you mean EE Times, right?
What crackhead moderated me -1 overrated, when my post was hanging happily at 1?
> Other religions like Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Wicca and probably a lot more allow for secular coexistance and equal rights.
No they don't. All religions say that their way is the "one true way" to live in heaven/be at peace with Earth/whatever else. The only difference is that religion means a whole lot less than economics (and the political structure that is so delicately intertwined with it) in Europe and the U.S. as compared to most Islamic countries. Money is the new religion in the West. When the developing world starts catching up economically, I'm sure religion will mean less there as well (for better or worse).
> Let's be honest, Christianity and Judaism haven't been as bad to us as many seem to think.
Ever heard of the crusades? How about the inquisition?
> When people insult Christianity and Judaism and proudly declare themselves to hate Christianity or Judaism, you don't see conservative Christians and Jews lining up to strap C4 to their bodies and suicide bomb their "enemies."
No you don't. Instead you see the IDF killing innocent Lebanese and Palestinians, and the Americans killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq through blockades. This is not flamebait. A good friend of mine was in an elite "special forces" unit when he did his (mandatory) service in Israel, and he doesn't like to talk about it. When I asked him what exactly he did, he said, point blank, "my job was to kill Arabs." (We haven't spoke about it since).
The only difference I see is that Christians and Jews have a little more technology on their side (including the means to broadcast news of such incidents faster).
> I dare you, go to Mecca and yell "Fuck Muhammad!"
I highly doubt you would get hit by AK-47 rounds. You might get your ass kicked, but I expect you'd have similar results if you went to the white house and yelled "Fuck George W. Bush." And I don't imagine they'd like it very much if you cried "Fuck Jesus Christ" in the vatican either.
I think you're a perfect example of what these articles are talking about. You have absolutely no context, basing your opinions on what you see on the idiot box (and perhaps what you read on Slashdot).
PS - For what it's worth, I consider myself a Deist as well.
Mod Parent Up. The damn thing *is* running winCE!
As other have said in other posts, that depends entirely on what you're using it for. I have an old P2-266MHz with 128MB of EDO ram, and an really crappy video card (does 640x480, 8 bit color ONLY) - I'd imagine my cumulative clock speed, counting everything, is under 400 MHz. That's like 5 times less than the current P4 offerings. But it's running as an OpenBSD firewall and filesharing device (SMB and NFS), and I'd be a fool to waste my money on CPU upgrades. Except for the occasional make build to upgrade to the next obsd version (which takes under a day anyway), i'd be wasting my money investing in a faster anything, since its all IO bound anyway.
oops, shoulda hit preview - to carry on where we left off... classified mine as "technical problem" so they don't think it's some joe schmoe whining about an editorial peice, which I doubt they give much credence to anyway.
Here's a "deep" link for you - the feedback form. Please fill in all Name, Email, etc. fields bogusly and tell them their policy is idiotic. I classified mine as
last time i checked that's a windows product. for shame, it wales. for shame.
I've read this before. While funny, this "Hofstadter's law" doesn't quite work out. Consider the function 1 - 1/x^n or such functions where the time is still bounded. The joke would be funnier if there was a clause dealing with such examples!
DH
> it has almost none of the original UNIX source code
Yes, and, neither does linux, bsd, or many if not most of the commercial unix vendors.
> has little of the traditional UNIX architecture.
Kindly explain what on earth you are talking about. System calls? The internals of the kernel itself? Command line programs? Any way you slice it, I'm afraid you're wrong.