You don't need a reason to go closed source. Its not something that has to be justified. Do Apple, MS, IBM and Oracle seem stubborn and inflexible to you? They produce software products all over the IT spectrum! Seriously closed source is a perfectly legitimate option. Not everyone, check that, mostly everyone doesn't buy into the "proprietary software is immoral" ethos of Richard Stallman. Heck most people aren't technically competent enough to even concieve of how the production of an intangible like software could be immoral without kidnapping the programmers and holding them hostage unless they write code. I'd like to know why you think someone needs a reason to go closed source.
The main problem with your explanation is that there are very few people who are either capable or desiring of wanting to learn how to program from whatever piece of software they are using. Its like owning car or a house. You know how to use them but you don't need to know how to fix them. You can hire people to do that for you. Do you think I want to learn a plumbers or electrician's trade just to fix my house or car? Programming is *HARD* work. Most folks just flat out can't do it. So aside from the software being free as in beer, why should any non-programmer care about open source? Especially since that lower cost is often offset by a tradeoff of worse/lesser User Interface design.
The reason why Apple gets support on this site is because they make products people like using and find easy to use. They don't cater to geeks, instead they cater to everyone else on earth and there just so happens to be more regular folks on earth than geeks who complain "But it doesn't have 3G so it SUCKS! Or no SDK, then No way!"
WWDC is a Developers conference. While new Macs HAVE appeared here before its not the norm and thus it is not unusual for there to not be any introduced here today.
Of course Microsoft and Apple are both trying to make as much money as they can.
The difference between the two is that with Apple the exchange of money for product represents a transaction that benefits both parties. A happy company and a satisfied customer. With Microsoft all you get is a happy Microsoft and an angry/sad customer.
So Microsoft customers get the raw end of the deal. They pays their money and get nothing in return.
It costs money to design new vehicles and to test them. GM, Ford and Chrysler have to devote $3,000 per car just to servicing pension and healthcare entitlements to their RETIRED employees. This is money that the Japanese automakers are able to devote to design. On top of that without unions the Japanese automakers were able to tell their workers to change what cars were being made decades before American automakers gained the ability to use this tactic.
So yes, just about everything thats wrong with Detroit right now is because of the unions. You were right on the money.
Kudos to you for making your biases clear. I wish more of others would do the same.
As for GM, Ford and Chrysler the negative effects of the unions extend way beyond financially hijacking the company's future. The unions also lobbied for, and won, workplace rules that placed rigid limits on worker flexibility. So for example at a Toyota or Nissan factory every worker on the floor is expected to spend some time on every machine in the plant so they'll know how to work it to fill in for someone else if they're out sick/vacation...etc. It also helps break up the mind numbing and physically dangerous repetitious monotony of the job. With the American factories this was until say 5 or 6 years ago strictly forbidden. If a manager tried to get the guy who say put the fenders on to move over to the job of putting the doors on a union steward could be called to "remind" the manager that wasn't allowed and threaten stronger action if the manager didn't listen. This hamstrings management's ability to RUN THE DAMN COMPANY.
ALL autoworkers in this country make more than an honest buck. Both the ones working for the Japanese companies and the American companies. The American autoworkers at the moment have the edge on benefits. Of course these benefits aren't going to last much longer as all of the big three are heading towards bankruptcy. What has to be remembered here is these are factory laborers. They're not doing brilliant work here. Its the equivalent of putting sandwiches together at Burger King or McDonalds. Every step of their jobs has already been planed out for them for maximum efficiency and profitability. Its mind and soul killing work. When Henry Ford first created the assembly line he had to pay so much originally because turnover was so high and it wasn't because of physical injuries either. It was just so MONOTONOUS that it was driving people crazy. Its a little better now but the fundamental point of the work hasn't changed, just about ANYONE can do the job. Its extremely simple. Its physical work not mental. This is why wages should not be so high. Simple supply and demand. There's a lot of supply of workers and limited demand. The unions have disconnected that reality from the American part of the industry and thats a big part of the reason why GM, Ford and Chrysler are suffering.
Another thing that should be mentioned is that this isn't the kind of work you should aim to have for life. It pays well for a reason, its dangerous. Make what you need so you can go to school and get a much safer less strenuous occupation or at the very least have enough awareness of your surroundings to move to a company that isn't repeatedly teetering on the brink of bankruptcy.
Yeah because 'selecting and promoting open source software would be a way for apple to take a commanding lead in the os (open source) market' and put a strangle hold on the 500 people who would actually make a purchasing decision as a result.
Consumers like to buy things. Open Source/Free Software folks DON'T. So who does it make more sense to market to? Your answer will dictate whether or not geeks belong in the upper echelons of corporate management......CEO, CIO, CTO, CFO...etc positions.
Are you smoking some bio-engineered weed or just a lot of the regular stuff?
The US media is a business. It like all other industries exists to make money. Just because at one time some folks assigned romantic notions of a "4th estate" to it doesn't actually make that true.
What he said is that we'll have to put up with MCE and MythTV UNTIL Steve Jobs decides to include DVR functionality into Apple TV. And he's RIGHT. The only person on PLANET EARTH who seems to understand what people want from their consumer electronics is Steven Jobs, CEO and co-founder of Apple Incorporated.
And his obvious bias? What are you stupid? The man is a pro-Linux person. He's worked with organizations dedicated to Linux. If he's biased its towards LINUX not Apple. So care to explain your ANTI-Apple bias?
I doubt it. There's a ton of people who want to have free access to the hard work and research of others, and all because its not tangible but digital information. There seems to be some magic line that makes intellectual property not worth protecting in these folks minds.
Lets give credit where credit is due and acknowledge good behavior when it emerges. Today Microsoft has genuinely innovated. They haven't invented anything new from whole cloth but they have taken a bunch of existing ideas and crafted a new and exciting product, that people will want to buy. Maybe this is something Microsoft might possibly get used to doing. You know, making good high quality useful stuff that people actually WANT to buy.
Yes, catch up. Features are irrelevant when the User Interfaces to use them suck so much that mostly no one uses them. How many owners of Treos, Blackberrys and WM devices use even 40% of the features of their phones? The iPhone's breakthrough UI will enable regular folks to use MORE of their device then they could with other smartphones. So yes, in that regard which just so happens to be the MOST IMPORTANT ONE, the others will all collectively and individually be playing 'catch up'.
1. Most schools have way more applicants than they accept. If one drops out cause they can't afford it anymore than they have hundreds waiting in line to replace that student.
2. If the person is too cheap to buy a $99 iTunes download then what makes you think they're going to make an alumni contribution later on?
I actually put my two VCRs on a UPS to save me the trouble of having to keep resetting their clocks. And thats all they are to me these days, clocks. I haven't played a tape on them in years.
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Perhaps if one wishes to not be taken advantage of, they should not release their work for free?
Where I come from thats called "Asking for it"
You don't need a reason to go closed source. Its not something that has to be justified. Do Apple, MS, IBM and Oracle seem stubborn and inflexible to you? They produce software products all over the IT spectrum! Seriously closed source is a perfectly legitimate option. Not everyone, check that, mostly everyone doesn't buy into the "proprietary software is immoral" ethos of Richard Stallman. Heck most people aren't technically competent enough to even concieve of how the production of an intangible like software could be immoral without kidnapping the programmers and holding them hostage unless they write code. I'd like to know why you think someone needs a reason to go closed source.
The main problem with your explanation is that there are very few people who are either capable or desiring of wanting to learn how to program from whatever piece of software they are using. Its like owning car or a house. You know how to use them but you don't need to know how to fix them. You can hire people to do that for you. Do you think I want to learn a plumbers or electrician's trade just to fix my house or car? Programming is *HARD* work. Most folks just flat out can't do it. So aside from the software being free as in beer, why should any non-programmer care about open source? Especially since that lower cost is often offset by a tradeoff of worse/lesser User Interface design.
The reason why Apple gets support on this site is because they make products people like using and find easy to use. They don't cater to geeks, instead they cater to everyone else on earth and there just so happens to be more regular folks on earth than geeks who complain "But it doesn't have 3G so it SUCKS! Or no SDK, then No way!"
The Safari you used on Macs was either Safari 1 or 2.
The Safari introduced today is Safari 3. For both Macs and Windows.
Safari 3 is a lot faster than Safari 2.
Understand now?
I don't think it can be made much simpler than that for you to understand.
....the part where Steve said that Safari is the SDK for iPhone apps didn't you?
(^_^)
WWDC is a Developers conference. While new Macs HAVE appeared here before its not the norm and thus it is not unusual for there to not be any introduced here today.
Relax, they're coming.
Lots of people used their Tivos to record the last episode of The Sopranos.
There's your tech flavor.
Now shut up.
Of course Microsoft and Apple are both trying to make as much money as they can.
The difference between the two is that with Apple the exchange of money for product represents a transaction that benefits both parties. A happy company and a satisfied customer. With Microsoft all you get is a happy Microsoft and an angry/sad customer.
So Microsoft customers get the raw end of the deal. They pays their money and get nothing in return.
It costs money to design new vehicles and to test them. GM, Ford and Chrysler have to devote $3,000 per car just to servicing pension and healthcare entitlements to their RETIRED employees. This is money that the Japanese automakers are able to devote to design. On top of that without unions the Japanese automakers were able to tell their workers to change what cars were being made decades before American automakers gained the ability to use this tactic.
So yes, just about everything thats wrong with Detroit right now is because of the unions. You were right on the money.
Kudos to you for making your biases clear. I wish more of others would do the same.
As for GM, Ford and Chrysler the negative effects of the unions extend way beyond financially hijacking the company's future. The unions also lobbied for, and won, workplace rules that placed rigid limits on worker flexibility. So for example at a Toyota or Nissan factory every worker on the floor is expected to spend some time on every machine in the plant so they'll know how to work it to fill in for someone else if they're out sick/vacation...etc. It also helps break up the mind numbing and physically dangerous repetitious monotony of the job. With the American factories this was until say 5 or 6 years ago strictly forbidden. If a manager tried to get the guy who say put the fenders on to move over to the job of putting the doors on a union steward could be called to "remind" the manager that wasn't allowed and threaten stronger action if the manager didn't listen. This hamstrings management's ability to RUN THE DAMN COMPANY.
ALL autoworkers in this country make more than an honest buck. Both the ones working for the Japanese companies and the American companies. The American autoworkers at the moment have the edge on benefits. Of course these benefits aren't going to last much longer as all of the big three are heading towards bankruptcy. What has to be remembered here is these are factory laborers. They're not doing brilliant work here. Its the equivalent of putting sandwiches together at Burger King or McDonalds. Every step of their jobs has already been planed out for them for maximum efficiency and profitability. Its mind and soul killing work. When Henry Ford first created the assembly line he had to pay so much originally because turnover was so high and it wasn't because of physical injuries either. It was just so MONOTONOUS that it was driving people crazy. Its a little better now but the fundamental point of the work hasn't changed, just about ANYONE can do the job. Its extremely simple. Its physical work not mental. This is why wages should not be so high. Simple supply and demand. There's a lot of supply of workers and limited demand. The unions have disconnected that reality from the American part of the industry and thats a big part of the reason why GM, Ford and Chrysler are suffering.
Another thing that should be mentioned is that this isn't the kind of work you should aim to have for life. It pays well for a reason, its dangerous. Make what you need so you can go to school and get a much safer less strenuous occupation or at the very least have enough awareness of your surroundings to move to a company that isn't repeatedly teetering on the brink of bankruptcy.
The people who make the product aren't the brains of the company. If they were, they wouldn't be slaving away on the assembly lines.
Quit being ridiculous. They're already getting paid what they're worth.
Yeah because 'selecting and promoting open source software would be a way for apple to take a commanding lead in the os (open source) market' and put a strangle hold on the 500 people who would actually make a purchasing decision as a result.
Consumers like to buy things. Open Source/Free Software folks DON'T. So who does it make more sense to market to? Your answer will dictate whether or not geeks belong in the upper echelons of corporate management......CEO, CIO, CTO, CFO...etc positions.
Are you smoking some bio-engineered weed or just a lot of the regular stuff?
The US media is a business. It like all other industries exists to make money. Just because at one time some folks assigned romantic notions of a "4th estate" to it doesn't actually make that true.
Yes a Seafood place is going to pay some geek to astroturf on a nerd website like this.
Is the only good Slashdotter in your mind someone who hates all corporations?
What are you, retarded? iTunes runs on Windows too you know, you don't need a Mac to use an iPod or iPhone!
Afraid to log in are you?
What he said is that we'll have to put up with MCE and MythTV UNTIL Steve Jobs decides to include DVR functionality into Apple TV. And he's RIGHT. The only person on PLANET EARTH who seems to understand what people want from their consumer electronics is Steven Jobs, CEO and co-founder of Apple Incorporated.
And his obvious bias? What are you stupid? The man is a pro-Linux person. He's worked with organizations dedicated to Linux. If he's biased its towards LINUX not Apple. So care to explain your ANTI-Apple bias?
So are you going to tell us all whats wrong with that or leave us to wonder?
I doubt it. There's a ton of people who want to have free access to the hard work and research of others, and all because its not tangible but digital information. There seems to be some magic line that makes intellectual property not worth protecting in these folks minds.
Lets give credit where credit is due and acknowledge good behavior when it emerges. Today Microsoft has genuinely innovated. They haven't invented anything new from whole cloth but they have taken a bunch of existing ideas and crafted a new and exciting product, that people will want to buy. Maybe this is something Microsoft might possibly get used to doing. You know, making good high quality useful stuff that people actually WANT to buy.
Here's to hoping!
Yes, catch up. Features are irrelevant when the User Interfaces to use them suck so much that mostly no one uses them. How many owners of Treos, Blackberrys and WM devices use even 40% of the features of their phones? The iPhone's breakthrough UI will enable regular folks to use MORE of their device then they could with other smartphones. So yes, in that regard which just so happens to be the MOST IMPORTANT ONE, the others will all collectively and individually be playing 'catch up'.
1. Most schools have way more applicants than they accept. If one drops out cause they can't afford it anymore than they have hundreds waiting in line to replace that student.
2. If the person is too cheap to buy a $99 iTunes download then what makes you think they're going to make an alumni contribution later on?
So you are disputing the AC's described behavior in women?
I actually put my two VCRs on a UPS to save me the trouble of having to keep resetting their clocks. And thats all they are to me these days, clocks. I haven't played a tape on them in years.
I wasn't trolling. This is how I sincerely feel. My uncle is a drug felon. He's been out of prison for over 40 years but still can't get a decent job.
He's gotten what he deserved.