My god you're a moron. You went on for paragraph after paragraph about the battery life issue without realizing once that in a car one could use the car charger with their iPhone. This is ideal for someone who already HAS an iPhone 3G. It works fine on the road.
The only people who care about such things as 'monopolistic software prisons' are geeks. A very small percentage of the overall population. The rest of the population just wants something that will work.
Macs work. PCs running Windows I must begrudge mostly work too.
Obama did NOT run unopposed. Did you just not look at the words I typed? Have you bothered to do a cursory google search on the issue? He ran against Alan Keyes. What part of that do you not understand?
There's two candidates. Barack Obama and Alan Keyes. So how did he run unopposed?
As to your second assertion that video link you posted is an hour long. Can you give the time in the video where they start talking about public service?
Obama didn't run for the Senate unopposed. His original republican opponent, Jack Ryan, had to withdraw after a sex scandal came out concerning his ex-wife Jeri Ryan (Seven of 9 from Star Trek Voyager) and how she left him because he wanted to take her to a sex club to have sex with other man. The divorce papers were unsealed and it ruined him.
The Republicans didn't have time to get a credible opponent before the election took place and at the last minute got Alan Keyes to run against Obama. Alan Keyes is well crazy. He's a super religious right wing attempted politician who takes pride in the fact that he kicked his daughter out of the apt he was paying for because she came out as a lesbian.
With opponents like that how could Obama LOSE?
What I find disturbing is how certain you are about your misstatements about Obama.
In this metagovernment you'd still need SOME politicians right? I mean what if we're attacked are we all expected to just instantly vote on whether or not to respond?
You're delusional if you think Google slowly over time tweaks their products into an excellent product. Take GMail for instance. Hotmail STILL has more users. Yahoo Mail still has more users. So where's GMail's excellence?
Google doesn't know HOW to launch products. They don't do it quietly, they just flat out don't know how to come out with them. They release something, it fails to dominate the market unless its search, and then its forgotten aboutby the general public and only fawned over by the geek set.
How is Android going to be any different from most other Google product launches?
Fear only if you think everyone is a geek. That level of ordering is going to drop off FAST as the majority of geek orders are fulfilled. How many REGULAR people do you think will be buying the G1?
How is it an advantage to the customer if there are hardly any customers? Linux on the desktop doesn't have that many users. Being able to say you have more users than the AmigaOS, BeOS or Commodore64 isn't exactly anything to write home about...
And yes there may very well be more apps for Android than the iPhone in the future. How many of them will be good though? SourceForge is FULL of open source projects that have been abandoned because they're worthless.
What? Are you on drugs? Where is the poisoned nuclear wasteland at?
And industries ALWAYS consolidate. The computer industry was new in the 80s and thats why there were so many platforms. If it wasn't Microsoft dominating it would have been someone else. No one but geeks wants a ton of incompatible platforms floating around.
What you, and many geeks don't understand is thats not really a selling point. Having to cobble together features on your own is not what normal people are looking for. Apple's iPhone is much more suited to a non-technical person's needs than Android is.
I'm not disputing that for you Android may be the better choice, but so many geeks assuming that because its the optimum choice for them that it will be for everyone else as well. One man's choice+freedom is 100 other men's complexity+confusion.
Think about what you just said. Macs cost more than PCs. WHY would anyone buy a Mac to run Windows when you can buy a Dell, HP or Gateway for half the price? That dog just ain't gon hunt son!
Poor folks definitely care about price. Wal-Mart recently placed a very cheap Linux powered computer for sale on their website and had many complaints when the customers found out they couldn't run Windows programs on it. So they'll care about price to a point, but they still need the device to be functional for their needs.
I did in fact read your entire post. I still think your argument is motivated by more than direct market concerns of developers. You even partially confirm it in your last reply 'an equivalent platform for the same price but better functionality.' Better functionality how? What defines better functionality in your view? The support of things Apple doesn't support? That doesn't = better functionality to anyone but a geek or IT person. The customers have already spoken in another very closely related market, MP3 players. Apple's iPod does not support Ogg Vorbis, nor Theora. Yet it continues to dominate. Clearly there are other PMPs with more 'features' or more 'functionality' as you put it but they occupy minority marketshare positions. If they were really what sold devices Apple would be supporting those formats or suffering marketshare losses.
So there must be some other reason in your desire for an open device. It can't be market based because the market doesn't care. That leaves me with the conclusion that you are a free software advocate for freedom's sake alone. You have yet to prove to my satisfaction that this is not the case.
The regions in the US with higher rates of gun ownership also have higher rates of crime. So the deterrent effects of owning a gun aren't working. What does work is analyzing crime, why it happens and working on dismantling the causes. They're usually low rates of education and high rates of unemployment. Now you can go through life thinking you're a badass with your own gun but what happens when its not a one on one? What happens when you are confronted by a group of guys with guns? You can only take so many of them out before you go down.
You are using several new and unusual terms as if they're commonly known. What do you mean by 'big government area'?
If your definition of failure is the existence of police forces then you have weird standards. That 12 years of 'authority worship indoctrination' is better known as school and teaches people the basics they'll need to get by in life like how to read, do math, understand science, and learn about literature. How you figure thats authority worship is.... well I don't know how you figure that out. The national violent crime rate has been declining for decades. We have even during a recession unemployment rates below 10%. Other than your paranoid and irrational fear or hostility to authority figures do you see is wrong with society?
From what you just replied with I don't think I'm off the mark at all. You continue to place a higher emphasis on a platform being "free" than the general public does. Its not what sells devices.
At first I was ready to dismiss your entire rant as off topic but what you said about people calling America or the West a 'free market' got me interested. If you want to be incredibly pedantic and narrow in your definitions then yes you are correct and only a few small city states have truly free markets. However last time I checked, in both the US and EU most manufacturers of products are allowed to set the prices for their products and customers were allowed to choose what to buy. For most people THAT is what constitutes a free market. Is there government intervention in both cases? Sure, absolutely. What you don't seem to either want to accept or realize is that once a place is larger than those isolated city state examples that if there is no regulation than the market will cease to work properly. America and Europe do NOT have centrally controlled economies. Just because the governments weigh in on times of crisis or have regulatory bodies to prevent a crisis from occurring does not all of a sudden make some place a socialist wonderland.
On another note, I've looked over some of your other posts. There seems to be a real theme with you about socialists having taken control of America, the constant belief that society is going to collapse in your lifetime requiring you to defend yourself with personal firearms, and an utter disdain for the misfortunate in the world. I'm just curious, have you ever been treated or sought treatment for a mental illness? Something like Aspergers Syndrome or Paranoid Delusions?
iPhone developers are making money. Cash money. As in thousands of dollars a day. Thats far more of an incentive than any 'good warm feelings' thrown one's way by the first party company.
Seriously, a lot of people in the world have thick skins and aren't emo and are thus able to do business and get on with their lives without moddycoddling.
Nope. Apple won't poof. Microsoft's day in the sun was due to the cheapness of their products. Now that everyone has a computer they would like to get a GOOD one. Thats where Apple's Mac OS X comes in. Its been gaining in marketshare over both Windows AND Linux. Thats not an anomaly.
All that other stuff you listed is SO irrelevant to the non-engineer/geek customer. No one but such folks cares that Apple requires people to go through the "commisar" to develop for the iPhone. And no developing for the iPhone and OS X is not expensive in the least unless you're a seriously broke person who can't afford a used Intel Mac. Paternalistic and pushy? What are you a Montana mountain militia man? This is software we're talking about. Don't let the philosophies of free software and open source trick you into thinking that such things are actually important to non-geeks.
Your long screed about computing history's past also fails to note the current times. We all know there's more programs available for Windows. Whats really news is ever since Apple switched to Intel processors allowing virtualization of Windows and more importantly the video games that run on it Apple's Mac market share has been taking off like gangbusters.
As for developers being at the end of Apple's barrel... thats ridiculous. Drama queen/free software fanatic developers don't like Apple's iPhone SDK policies but other, more mature, developers are getting along just fine. So fine that they're already making money from the iPhone AppStore. There's a friggin stampede towards iPhone app development. When someone can make $2,000 a day people sit up and take notice. http://www.appleiphoneapps.com/2008/08/part-time-iphone-developer-makes-2000-a-day/
LOTS of developers are making good money on the iPhone right now even though only a few million have the device. Can the same be said for Windows Mobile developers? Palm OS developers? Symbian, Blackberry or Linux mobile developers? Apple's gearing up to manufacture 45 million more iPhones in 2009. If developers are earning $2,000 a day now thats going to explode in the years to come. So the iPhone is doing just fine on the developer front, and seeing as how Apple gives out free programming tools for Mac OS X and you need an Intel Mac to develop for the iPhone and how the two programming environments are so similar its also raising Mac OS X development too.
You are suffering from what I like to call P.D.D. Perspective Deficit Disorder. You are looking at the technology industry from the viewpoint of a geek and are assuming everyone else on the planet does as well. Thats simply not true. If it were then GUIs would never had been developed. Regular people value good products that work well. They don't care about the GPL, they don't care about open standards, they don't care about copyleft or 'sharing with your neighbor'. As for Windows Mobile Apple couldn't be LESS worried about that platform. RIM's Blackberry in the US and Nokia's Symbian worldwide are the big titans. Windows Mobile has been on the market for over 7 years already and in ALL that time has failed to take the #1 or #2 spot. Its a non-event.
Rest easy though. For the small percentage of people on the planet who value 'independence' over practicality there will always be companies that cater to you. Looks like Google's Android will be picking up that mantle.
Don't blame the customers. Blame the software developers for not creating easier to use more attractive software. Its not like the skill doesn't exist at all, Apple seems to have figured it out.
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Life's too short.
My god you're a moron. You went on for paragraph after paragraph about the battery life issue without realizing once that in a car one could use the car charger with their iPhone. This is ideal for someone who already HAS an iPhone 3G. It works fine on the road.
The only people who care about such things as 'monopolistic software prisons' are geeks. A very small percentage of the overall population. The rest of the population just wants something that will work.
Macs work. PCs running Windows I must begrudge mostly work too.
Linux? meh
Obama did NOT run unopposed. Did you just not look at the words I typed? Have you bothered to do a cursory google search on the issue? He ran against Alan Keyes. What part of that do you not understand?
Look, it says so right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Illinois,_2004
There's two candidates. Barack Obama and Alan Keyes. So how did he run unopposed?
As to your second assertion that video link you posted is an hour long. Can you give the time in the video where they start talking about public service?
Obama didn't run for the Senate unopposed. His original republican opponent, Jack Ryan, had to withdraw after a sex scandal came out concerning his ex-wife Jeri Ryan (Seven of 9 from Star Trek Voyager) and how she left him because he wanted to take her to a sex club to have sex with other man. The divorce papers were unsealed and it ruined him.
The Republicans didn't have time to get a credible opponent before the election took place and at the last minute got Alan Keyes to run against Obama. Alan Keyes is well crazy. He's a super religious right wing attempted politician who takes pride in the fact that he kicked his daughter out of the apt he was paying for because she came out as a lesbian.
With opponents like that how could Obama LOSE?
What I find disturbing is how certain you are about your misstatements about Obama.
In this metagovernment you'd still need SOME politicians right? I mean what if we're attacked are we all expected to just instantly vote on whether or not to respond?
I'm not taking it anywhere. Its already there, you just never got the memo.
You're delusional if you think Google slowly over time tweaks their products into an excellent product. Take GMail for instance. Hotmail STILL has more users. Yahoo Mail still has more users. So where's GMail's excellence?
Google doesn't know HOW to launch products. They don't do it quietly, they just flat out don't know how to come out with them. They release something, it fails to dominate the market unless its search, and then its forgotten aboutby the general public and only fawned over by the geek set.
How is Android going to be any different from most other Google product launches?
Fear only if you think everyone is a geek. That level of ordering is going to drop off FAST as the majority of geek orders are fulfilled. How many REGULAR people do you think will be buying the G1?
Try to emerge from your nerd bubble occasionally.
You screwed up your usage of the word "call" and you are actually trying to make the guy who corrected YOU look stupid?
Points for boldness I guess...
No seriously, Apple invented it.
Tone down the Aspergers and you'll realize this.
Actually yes Apple did invent it.
You see, inventing something and having it go nowhere is pointless. Unless you can get people to buy it en masse its like you didn't invent it at all.
Only a geek would care about the pedantic details of who was really 'first'.
Oh wait this is Slashdot....
How is it an advantage to the customer if there are hardly any customers? Linux on the desktop doesn't have that many users. Being able to say you have more users than the AmigaOS, BeOS or Commodore64 isn't exactly anything to write home about...
And yes there may very well be more apps for Android than the iPhone in the future. How many of them will be good though? SourceForge is FULL of open source projects that have been abandoned because they're worthless.
'Poisoned nuclear wasteland'
What? Are you on drugs? Where is the poisoned nuclear wasteland at?
And industries ALWAYS consolidate. The computer industry was new in the 80s and thats why there were so many platforms. If it wasn't Microsoft dominating it would have been someone else. No one but geeks wants a ton of incompatible platforms floating around.
What you, and many geeks don't understand is thats not really a selling point. Having to cobble together features on your own is not what normal people are looking for. Apple's iPhone is much more suited to a non-technical person's needs than Android is.
I'm not disputing that for you Android may be the better choice, but so many geeks assuming that because its the optimum choice for them that it will be for everyone else as well. One man's choice+freedom is 100 other men's complexity+confusion.
So you were supporting a hypothetical situation you don't advocate yourself?
In other words you were trolling?
Think about what you just said. Macs cost more than PCs. WHY would anyone buy a Mac to run Windows when you can buy a Dell, HP or Gateway for half the price? That dog just ain't gon hunt son!
Poor folks definitely care about price. Wal-Mart recently placed a very cheap Linux powered computer for sale on their website and had many complaints when the customers found out they couldn't run Windows programs on it. So they'll care about price to a point, but they still need the device to be functional for their needs.
I did in fact read your entire post. I still think your argument is motivated by more than direct market concerns of developers. You even partially confirm it in your last reply 'an equivalent platform for the same price but better functionality.' Better functionality how? What defines better functionality in your view? The support of things Apple doesn't support? That doesn't = better functionality to anyone but a geek or IT person. The customers have already spoken in another very closely related market, MP3 players. Apple's iPod does not support Ogg Vorbis, nor Theora. Yet it continues to dominate. Clearly there are other PMPs with more 'features' or more 'functionality' as you put it but they occupy minority marketshare positions. If they were really what sold devices Apple would be supporting those formats or suffering marketshare losses.
So there must be some other reason in your desire for an open device. It can't be market based because the market doesn't care. That leaves me with the conclusion that you are a free software advocate for freedom's sake alone. You have yet to prove to my satisfaction that this is not the case.
The regions in the US with higher rates of gun ownership also have higher rates of crime. So the deterrent effects of owning a gun aren't working. What does work is analyzing crime, why it happens and working on dismantling the causes. They're usually low rates of education and high rates of unemployment. Now you can go through life thinking you're a badass with your own gun but what happens when its not a one on one? What happens when you are confronted by a group of guys with guns? You can only take so many of them out before you go down.
You are using several new and unusual terms as if they're commonly known. What do you mean by 'big government area'?
If your definition of failure is the existence of police forces then you have weird standards. That 12 years of 'authority worship indoctrination' is better known as school and teaches people the basics they'll need to get by in life like how to read, do math, understand science, and learn about literature. How you figure thats authority worship is .... well I don't know how you figure that out. The national violent crime rate has been declining for decades. We have even during a recession unemployment rates below 10%. Other than your paranoid and irrational fear or hostility to authority figures do you see is wrong with society?
From what you just replied with I don't think I'm off the mark at all. You continue to place a higher emphasis on a platform being "free" than the general public does. Its not what sells devices.
Obviously you must be a libertarian.
At first I was ready to dismiss your entire rant as off topic but what you said about people calling America or the West a 'free market' got me interested. If you want to be incredibly pedantic and narrow in your definitions then yes you are correct and only a few small city states have truly free markets. However last time I checked, in both the US and EU most manufacturers of products are allowed to set the prices for their products and customers were allowed to choose what to buy. For most people THAT is what constitutes a free market. Is there government intervention in both cases? Sure, absolutely. What you don't seem to either want to accept or realize is that once a place is larger than those isolated city state examples that if there is no regulation than the market will cease to work properly. America and Europe do NOT have centrally controlled economies. Just because the governments weigh in on times of crisis or have regulatory bodies to prevent a crisis from occurring does not all of a sudden make some place a socialist wonderland.
On another note, I've looked over some of your other posts. There seems to be a real theme with you about socialists having taken control of America, the constant belief that society is going to collapse in your lifetime requiring you to defend yourself with personal firearms, and an utter disdain for the misfortunate in the world. I'm just curious, have you ever been treated or sought treatment for a mental illness? Something like Aspergers Syndrome or Paranoid Delusions?
iPhone developers are making money. Cash money. As in thousands of dollars a day. Thats far more of an incentive than any 'good warm feelings' thrown one's way by the first party company.
Seriously, a lot of people in the world have thick skins and aren't emo and are thus able to do business and get on with their lives without moddycoddling.
Nope. Apple won't poof. Microsoft's day in the sun was due to the cheapness of their products. Now that everyone has a computer they would like to get a GOOD one. Thats where Apple's Mac OS X comes in. Its been gaining in marketshare over both Windows AND Linux. Thats not an anomaly.
All that other stuff you listed is SO irrelevant to the non-engineer/geek customer. No one but such folks cares that Apple requires people to go through the "commisar" to develop for the iPhone. And no developing for the iPhone and OS X is not expensive in the least unless you're a seriously broke person who can't afford a used Intel Mac. Paternalistic and pushy? What are you a Montana mountain militia man? This is software we're talking about. Don't let the philosophies of free software and open source trick you into thinking that such things are actually important to non-geeks.
Your long screed about computing history's past also fails to note the current times. We all know there's more programs available for Windows. Whats really news is ever since Apple switched to Intel processors allowing virtualization of Windows and more importantly the video games that run on it Apple's Mac market share has been taking off like gangbusters.
As for developers being at the end of Apple's barrel... thats ridiculous. Drama queen/free software fanatic developers don't like Apple's iPhone SDK policies but other, more mature, developers are getting along just fine. So fine that they're already making money from the iPhone AppStore. There's a friggin stampede towards iPhone app development. When someone can make $2,000 a day people sit up and take notice. http://www.appleiphoneapps.com/2008/08/part-time-iphone-developer-makes-2000-a-day/
LOTS of developers are making good money on the iPhone right now even though only a few million have the device. Can the same be said for Windows Mobile developers? Palm OS developers? Symbian, Blackberry or Linux mobile developers? Apple's gearing up to manufacture 45 million more iPhones in 2009. If developers are earning $2,000 a day now thats going to explode in the years to come. So the iPhone is doing just fine on the developer front, and seeing as how Apple gives out free programming tools for Mac OS X and you need an Intel Mac to develop for the iPhone and how the two programming environments are so similar its also raising Mac OS X development too.
You are suffering from what I like to call P.D.D. Perspective Deficit Disorder. You are looking at the technology industry from the viewpoint of a geek and are assuming everyone else on the planet does as well. Thats simply not true. If it were then GUIs would never had been developed. Regular people value good products that work well. They don't care about the GPL, they don't care about open standards, they don't care about copyleft or 'sharing with your neighbor'. As for Windows Mobile Apple couldn't be LESS worried about that platform. RIM's Blackberry in the US and Nokia's Symbian worldwide are the big titans. Windows Mobile has been on the market for over 7 years already and in ALL that time has failed to take the #1 or #2 spot. Its a non-event.
Rest easy though. For the small percentage of people on the planet who value 'independence' over practicality there will always be companies that cater to you. Looks like Google's Android will be picking up that mantle.
Have fun with it.
Don't blame the customers. Blame the software developers for not creating easier to use more attractive software. Its not like the skill doesn't exist at all, Apple seems to have figured it out.
20 years ago.
....how's that Asperger's Syndrome working for you?