Customers. They're what makes a platform. Not openness, not features, customers. Thats what the iPhone has and attracts. And thats what the developers will ultimately follow. Android will have a good following no doubt, but the iPhone's will be larger. In just 6 months this incredibly CLOSED platform is already the #2 Smartphone in the US. In a few years it'll probably over take Blackberry for the #1. I don't see any one or collective Android product rivaling that.
A regular person isn't going to buy an Android unit just because some geek tells him he can install a thousand apps on it. They can already do that on a Windows Mobile, Symbian or Palm OS device. What a regular person wants is a FEW apps that work well. Thats where the iPhone excels and with the SDK that few number will get larger and larger over time. Remember, ultimately its NOT about what geeks want.
With this comment you show you totally miss the point of Apple's Retail Stores.
They don't exist to replace the killed off VARs. Instead Apple killed off the VARs to make room for the Apple Stores. The VAR's sucked. There was no "Value Added"
You'd go into a store and find some were nice, most sucked and there was no bottom line standard of service. Jobs sought to change that with the Apple Stores. You can't dictate the atmosphere that exists in a Apple Store to a VAR. The only way to do it "right" was to do it themselves.
Who cares why someone buys something as long as they buy it and its good for the environment? Do people HAVE to do it in a way that makes you feel superior?
What you meant to say was when businesses stop idealizing the money. As in the customers won't buy something that ugly so they need to make it look better no matter how much you hate the 60s.
Seeing how Apple is enjoying increasing Mac sales every quarter the price doesn't seem to be as much of a deterrent as one would think. After going several rounds with Windows PCs a lot of folks seem ready for a change. And Linux being ready for the consumer? I'm running the latest Kubuntu, something I always do to keep an eye on the Linux market and its still nowhere near even Windows XP in usability. With Linux I feel its always playing a constant game of "catch up" with Microsoft and Mac OS X. The underpinnings may be state of the art but past a certain point that becomes irrelevant to the user. What would really help Linux is if people could buy off the shelf Windows software and be able to install it on Linux. That would be a huge step. The Linux distro should be able to do this from the get go, out of the box without having to download or install anything specifically for that purpose.
Or......... you might want to grow up a bit and realize that Congress has a FEW issues that are SLIGHTLY more important then enabling a bunch of people who want something that costs money to produce for free to keep on getting it for free.
Diplomats are often dealing with people seeking asylum for humanitarian reasons. They also deal with local and international law enforcement and sometimes the military. In any one of those cases leaked information could have gotten someone killed. This guy didn't expose the logins and passwords of MySpace accounts. Then there's the consideration that he very well may have violated several privacy/confidentiality laws as well.
I don't think you realize just how serious what this guy did is.
So who gets to decide whats funny or not? You? Or me? Lots of people find "MOAR" to be funny. Suddenly their opinions are worthless because you don't? Isn't thinking like that whats really stupid?
EDGE beating 3G in browsing has nothing to do with the speed of the 3G connection, even the slowest 3G is faster than the fastest EDGE, and everything to do with the software browsers that render them. Sad to say but the iPhone's Safari on EDGE beats out Treos and Windows Mobile. Symbian only manages to stay ahead because a lot of Symbian phones use the same core browser as the iPhone, WebKit.
Only a true geek would consider looks and user interface to be middling points for a device. Oh and the 3G? The iPhone's EDGE browsing has been shown to load pages at least on par with a Treo's 3G Blazer and Windows Mobile 3G IE. So its not like those phones are actually faster at browsing the web than the iPhone just because they have 3G. Those phones have 3G hardware but the software leaves much to be desired.
Apple is all about great experiences with their devices. I had a Treo. Bluetooth sync'ing was SLOW an unstable. I almost never used it. People would get pissed at their iPhones if they were able to sync via Bluetooth.
Your nick is deceptive. You are no "Master" of "Reality". Defeating Microsoft is not as simple as doing the same thing they're doing. They're already the standard. People aren't going to just swap out Windows for Mac OS on their PCs. If it was that simple and easy then Linux would be the #1 OS by now, its friggin free!
Apple's strategy continues to involve the entire widget and its the correct one. Their marketshare is climbing and they're maintaining their profit margins. Under the clones Apple was losing money. What part of "Selling Mac OS alone would not make Apple as much money as selling Mac OS on Macs" do you not understand?
There's only two official places you can buy an iPhone, Apple Stores and AT&T Stores. Apple doesn't play game with financials. They only count sales sold thru to customers as sales. So if any 3rd party retailer bought a bunch of iPhones that are still sitting on shelves, well there's not much Apple can do about that.
Damn right I am. What you and many others fail to realize is that if you don't occassionaly use exciteable language than The poor caps lock button WON'T GET ANY USE. Perhaps if you had a bone of sensitivity in your body you'd realize that the other keys of the keyboard shouldn't get all the time in the limelight.
Ahh so you're one of those intellectually useless "strict Constitutional constructionists" who never seem to FUCKING realize that the way the US Constitution was written and the way the real world works today do not mesh up 100%.
Intrinsically evil.... or possibly an erroneous fluke of a mess up best not to get upset about. Obviously the update wasn't meant to brick locked phones. If it did, it was an accident, not par for the course. My locked phone updated just fine. As with ANY software update, including open source ones, there will be a small number of systems adversely affected.
With a proprietary vendor you can take it back for repairs or replacement. How exactly will the "l33t dudes" in #linux on IRC help you in your time of need if you don't know how to fix your free software problem yourself?
I have a Treo 700P. Its really that slow in a good area. Its thr browser, Blazer sucks. In any case lack of 3G is a non-event. I'm keeping my first gen iPhone until 2010 at the least.
WHen I said you can get third party apps I meant REAL third party apps. Not just web browser based ones. If you're going to criticize something it would help to know what you are talking about beforehand.
Again you boast with the geeky replies like "The screen on my phone is not "tiny" and if I needed a QWERTY keyboard (though you're stepping all over your own argument here, as I know nobody who wants this) I could easily add an LED lazer projection keyboard."
Its not about being an Apple Fanboy. Its about not settling for crappy interfaces and expecting something better. Geeks have a high tolerance for crap settling that the general populace does not share. Hence the general populace using Windows or Mac OS and geeks loving Linux. Just another example.
Thats a comparison of a Treo with 3G versus the iPhone's EDGE. The iPhone actually loads a webpage faster than the Treo. In the second test the Treo wins but not by more than a few seconds.
People aren't getting ripped off though. You actually boast about being able to write Java apps for your own phone as if thats supposed to be some major selling point to a regular non-geek person. Same with the expandable memory. Most non-geek folks that I know lose those tiny SD and mini-SD cards. They're a sloppy solution. I mean your phone has a tiny screen, no QWERTY keyboard, no integration with iTunes.....etc.
Yes it has more features. It also has a worse interface. And yes the iPhone can do IRC and use many other 3rd party app which will only grow with time.
Face it, for a geek your phone works right for you. For regular folks the iPhone is overwhelmingly superior.
What are you talking about the specs for the UK iPhone haven't been posted yet? Steve himself was asked and answered that its still an EDGE phone, no 3G for Europe at all. Its all over the web man. Engadget, Gizmodo, just google for "UK iPhone Edge"
This is exactly what so many of Apple's competitiors don't get. Ease of use is king here. Having to use your web browser to get your freaking voicemail is just insane. The iPhone downloads your voicemails to your phone so you don't even have to go thru the usual song and dance of calling a number and entering your password to hear them.
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Customers. They're what makes a platform. Not openness, not features, customers. Thats what the iPhone has and attracts. And thats what the developers will ultimately follow. Android will have a good following no doubt, but the iPhone's will be larger. In just 6 months this incredibly CLOSED platform is already the #2 Smartphone in the US. In a few years it'll probably over take Blackberry for the #1. I don't see any one or collective Android product rivaling that.
A regular person isn't going to buy an Android unit just because some geek tells him he can install a thousand apps on it. They can already do that on a Windows Mobile, Symbian or Palm OS device. What a regular person wants is a FEW apps that work well. Thats where the iPhone excels and with the SDK that few number will get larger and larger over time. Remember, ultimately its NOT about what geeks want.
With this comment you show you totally miss the point of Apple's Retail Stores.
They don't exist to replace the killed off VARs. Instead Apple killed off the VARs to make room for the Apple Stores. The VAR's sucked. There was no "Value Added"
You'd go into a store and find some were nice, most sucked and there was no bottom line standard of service. Jobs sought to change that with the Apple Stores. You can't dictate the atmosphere that exists in a Apple Store to a VAR. The only way to do it "right" was to do it themselves.
Who cares why someone buys something as long as they buy it and its good for the environment? Do people HAVE to do it in a way that makes you feel superior?
Thats how you increase your own safety, by making every one else less safe. If they want to drive a non-SUV that's their choice.
Yes those two cars both look a hell of a lot better than the Aptera.
Simply put, do you want a high milage car to succeed in the market place or not? Because if its ugly its not going to succeed.
What you meant to say was when businesses stop idealizing the money. As in the customers won't buy something that ugly so they need to make it look better no matter how much you hate the 60s.
Seeing how Apple is enjoying increasing Mac sales every quarter the price doesn't seem to be as much of a deterrent as one would think. After going several rounds with Windows PCs a lot of folks seem ready for a change. And Linux being ready for the consumer? I'm running the latest Kubuntu, something I always do to keep an eye on the Linux market and its still nowhere near even Windows XP in usability. With Linux I feel its always playing a constant game of "catch up" with Microsoft and Mac OS X. The underpinnings may be state of the art but past a certain point that becomes irrelevant to the user. What would really help Linux is if people could buy off the shelf Windows software and be able to install it on Linux. That would be a huge step. The Linux distro should be able to do this from the get go, out of the box without having to download or install anything specifically for that purpose.
Or..... .... you might want to grow up a bit and realize that Congress has a FEW issues that are SLIGHTLY more important then enabling a bunch of people who want something that costs money to produce for free to keep on getting it for free.
Diplomats are often dealing with people seeking asylum for humanitarian reasons. They also deal with local and international law enforcement and sometimes the military. In any one of those cases leaked information could have gotten someone killed. This guy didn't expose the logins and passwords of MySpace accounts. Then there's the consideration that he very well may have violated several privacy/confidentiality laws as well.
I don't think you realize just how serious what this guy did is.
So wanting to eat and pay bills is selling out?
Is the only way to "keep it real" is to starve out on the streets because you're homeless?
So who gets to decide whats funny or not? You? Or me? Lots of people find "MOAR" to be funny. Suddenly their opinions are worthless because you don't? Isn't thinking like that whats really stupid?
By doing something that will fly over the head of a geek every day of the week.
By building a superior user interface.
*SWOOSH*
EDGE beating 3G in browsing has nothing to do with the speed of the 3G connection, even the slowest 3G is faster than the fastest EDGE, and everything to do with the software browsers that render them. Sad to say but the iPhone's Safari on EDGE beats out Treos and Windows Mobile. Symbian only manages to stay ahead because a lot of Symbian phones use the same core browser as the iPhone, WebKit.
Only a true geek would consider looks and user interface to be middling points for a device. Oh and the 3G? The iPhone's EDGE browsing has been shown to load pages at least on par with a Treo's 3G Blazer and Windows Mobile 3G IE. So its not like those phones are actually faster at browsing the web than the iPhone just because they have 3G. Those phones have 3G hardware but the software leaves much to be desired.
Apple is all about great experiences with their devices. I had a Treo. Bluetooth sync'ing was SLOW an unstable. I almost never used it. People would get pissed at their iPhones if they were able to sync via Bluetooth.
Features for features sake are pointless.
Your nick is deceptive. You are no "Master" of "Reality". Defeating Microsoft is not as simple as doing the same thing they're doing. They're already the standard. People aren't going to just swap out Windows for Mac OS on their PCs. If it was that simple and easy then Linux would be the #1 OS by now, its friggin free!
Apple's strategy continues to involve the entire widget and its the correct one. Their marketshare is climbing and they're maintaining their profit margins. Under the clones Apple was losing money. What part of "Selling Mac OS alone would not make Apple as much money as selling Mac OS on Macs" do you not understand?
There's only two official places you can buy an iPhone, Apple Stores and AT&T Stores. Apple doesn't play game with financials. They only count sales sold thru to customers as sales. So if any 3rd party retailer bought a bunch of iPhones that are still sitting on shelves, well there's not much Apple can do about that.
Damn right I am. What you and many others fail to realize is that if you don't occassionaly use exciteable language than The poor caps lock button WON'T GET ANY USE. Perhaps if you had a bone of sensitivity in your body you'd realize that the other keys of the keyboard shouldn't get all the time in the limelight.
Nice to meet you.
Ahh so you're one of those intellectually useless "strict Constitutional constructionists" who never seem to FUCKING realize that the way the US Constitution was written and the way the real world works today do not mesh up 100%.
Nice to meet you.
Intrinsically evil.... or possibly an erroneous fluke of a mess up best not to get upset about. Obviously the update wasn't meant to brick locked phones. If it did, it was an accident, not par for the course. My locked phone updated just fine. As with ANY software update, including open source ones, there will be a small number of systems adversely affected.
With a proprietary vendor you can take it back for repairs or replacement. How exactly will the "l33t dudes" in #linux on IRC help you in your time of need if you don't know how to fix your free software problem yourself?
I have a Treo 700P. Its really that slow in a good area. Its thr browser, Blazer sucks. In any case lack of 3G is a non-event. I'm keeping my first gen iPhone until 2010 at the least.
WHen I said you can get third party apps I meant REAL third party apps. Not just web browser based ones. If you're going to criticize something it would help to know what you are talking about beforehand.
Again you boast with the geeky replies like "The screen on my phone is not "tiny" and if I needed a QWERTY keyboard (though you're stepping all over your own argument here, as I know nobody who wants this) I could easily add an LED lazer projection keyboard."
Its not about being an Apple Fanboy. Its about not settling for crappy interfaces and expecting something better. Geeks have a high tolerance for crap settling that the general populace does not share. Hence the general populace using Windows or Mac OS and geeks loving Linux. Just another example.
Yeah about 3G phones verses the iPhone's EDGE...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJTdFTIF2No&mode=related&search=
Thats a comparison of a Treo with 3G versus the iPhone's EDGE. The iPhone actually loads a webpage faster than the Treo. In the second test the Treo wins but not by more than a few seconds.
Not that impressive for 3G.
People aren't getting ripped off though. You actually boast about being able to write Java apps for your own phone as if thats supposed to be some major selling point to a regular non-geek person. Same with the expandable memory. Most non-geek folks that I know lose those tiny SD and mini-SD cards. They're a sloppy solution. I mean your phone has a tiny screen, no QWERTY keyboard, no integration with iTunes.....etc.
Yes it has more features. It also has a worse interface. And yes the iPhone can do IRC and use many other 3rd party app which will only grow with time.
Face it, for a geek your phone works right for you. For regular folks the iPhone is overwhelmingly superior.
What are you talking about the specs for the UK iPhone haven't been posted yet? Steve himself was asked and answered that its still an EDGE phone, no 3G for Europe at all. Its all over the web man. Engadget, Gizmodo, just google for "UK iPhone Edge"
Doesn't seem that difficult for a geek you mean.
This is exactly what so many of Apple's competitiors don't get. Ease of use is king here. Having to use your web browser to get your freaking voicemail is just insane. The iPhone downloads your voicemails to your phone so you don't even have to go thru the usual song and dance of calling a number and entering your password to hear them.