"Something doesn't have to be a huge market-redefining, ipod-magnitude product to find a following. Not everything has to change the world and get 90% market saturation just to be called a success."
You are right. But it doesn't hurt to have that kind of success either.
Also seeing as how the iPhone runs OS X you could run most if not all of your mobile Linux apps on it as well. That leaves the reason to go with the Nokia being GPL/political reasons and possibly any hardware advantages the Nokia may have over the iPhone.
If the general purpose computer in the future no longer serves a market need then why should it not perish?
That being said even if open source software did not exist I don't see the general purpose computer going anywhere. There'd just be more competition between proprietary vendors bringing the price down to reasonable levels. As it is open source by sucking up so many skill full developers who lack the proper management and User Interface design resources enable proprietary vendors to keep prices high because they're able to tell their customers this:
"Don't want to pay $600 for Photoshop? No problem. Why don't you go use that free GIMP thing. You know, that horrible looking piece of crap picture editing software thats free? Yeah its free! So go ahead and help yourself! Whats that? You'd rather have a nail driven right through your scrotum after the nail has been soaked in hot sauce than use GIMP? Well then I hope you have $600 then or you'll have a very sore sac!"
The monster bills come with any phone on AT&T. And they don't equate to the cost of said bill. For example I got a iPhone bill that was 48 double sided pages long but all the charges were free and included in my plan.
I don't know how you could read the grandparents comment, quote some of it, and miss the most important parts.
The point that you missed is that the MORE people we have the more people we have working on solutions to our current problems. When the Earth someday has 9-10 billion people on it we'll have way more scientists than we have right now at 6 billion. We're going to CONTINUE to get more efficient and growing food for ourselves. You didn't bother to distinguish between first and third world countries there in your estimate of land used for food production. Third world nations use way more land for farming than first world nations do.
I have to ask though do you have some sort of anti-people bias? Your wording "Human Virus" makes me suspicious. There's far more ants on the planet for example.
The government is made up of people, both good and bad. That means their actions cover both good and bad outcomes. There are no absolutes and in the United States its hard to demonstrate the government is universally or even mostly bad.
Unless of course you are a anti-government Slashdot un-happy with most things capitalist, western and consumerist type.
"Uhhh.. no. They're not. At all. They're all a-political opinions. They're all "I don't think I have the right to tell other people to do the right thing" attitudes."
Yeah in other words he doesn't act like a superior know it all holier-than-thou jerk.
Yeah because a nation with an economy expanding at the rate of 9% a year who's expansion is the only think keeping civil unrest from toppling the government isn't going to experience a slowdown someday soon or anything.
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"Dude have some perspective please. Darl didn't rape or murder anyone."
Yeah good point. What Darl did was WORSE than rape or murder.
Thakns for keeping our heads focused on reality and out of the clouds.
Have you applied the iPhone 1.0.1 update yet? Its made Safari a LOT more stable for me. Takes about a week for it to crash for me now. When it starts getting crashy by the way just power down and then turn on the phone again.
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Yeah I can make phone calls with my iPhone with no compromises on the phone experience and do all that other stuff you mentioned seeing as how it has a REAL browser and a REAL OS, a REAL keyboard and it doesn't need a mouse with multi-touch but um... what were you saying again?
You still miss the point. They shouldn't have to DO anything to the SUSE default install to get it to work like Ubuntu's. It either just works out of the box or it doesn't. Ubuntu, OS X and Windows for the purposes of this evaluation worked out of the box. SUSE didn't.
Just because Vista may suck is no reason to bang your head up against the nightmare for regular users that is open source.
There is a third option, a third way if you will.
It comes from the rolling hills of Cupertino and on very quiet nights if you listen carefully yuo can hear a *BONG* in the distance telling you that your in the right place.
Or you could just go to your local Apple Store and pick up a Mac there.
Its not just looks and the interface. I am a longtime Palm OS user. Before the iPhone I considered the antiquated Palm OS to be the best smartphone OS so much so that I owned 5 Palm smartphones, 3 Treos and 2 Kyoceras. I could install all the 3rd party software I could ever want. But the iPhone is a game changer. New Treos used to cost $600, same for Windows Mobile devices. But most folks don't use even 10% of the features on said phones because they're too complicated. Symbian isn't big here in the US but I don't think its much different with that OS. So yeah sure the iPhone has less features than a Palm/WM/Symbian device, lets say the iPhone at software rev1 has say only 60% of the features of the aforementioned phones. If iPhone users because of the interface use 90% of the features, then iPhone users are using MORE of their phones than Palm/WM/Symbian users are. I'm not talking about geeks, but regular folks. Geeks can use ANY device to its fullest, and have a higher tolerance for crappy user interfaces. Most of the people in my office have Treos and half of them don't even sync regularly and none have installed 3rd party software on their own. I always have to help them with that. No one in my office who has a WM phone can figure the damn thing out, Microsoft took their well branded "Outlook" email client and named it "Messaging" on their smartphones. Pure idiocy.
With competition like this, Apple is going to clean up very easily.
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Don't kid yourself, folks aren't pursiing anything noble like information and knowledge.
They're playing WoW and looking at p0rn.
Thats it.
Seriously.
You think your so much better than a plumber or electrician don't you?
I bet you they have codes of ethics too concerning not stealing things in their clients homes and such.
A jerk is a jerk no matter what industry they're in.
Treos are way too thick. Compare their thickness to a Motoral Q or Samsung Blackjack. People don't like thick phones. The iPhone does MORE and is thinner. (And before you think of replying with a snarky "But the iPhone isn't a smartphone cause you can't install 3rd party apps, take a look at this: http://lifehacker.com/software/hack-attack/install -third+party-applications-on-your-iphone-295985.ph p )
Palm is simply lagging in both hardware AND software. Where's that new OS btw?
"Something doesn't have to be a huge market-redefining, ipod-magnitude product to find a following. Not everything has to change the world and get 90% market saturation just to be called a success."
You are right. But it doesn't hurt to have that kind of success either.
Also seeing as how the iPhone runs OS X you could run most if not all of your mobile Linux apps on it as well. That leaves the reason to go with the Nokia being GPL/political reasons and possibly any hardware advantages the Nokia may have over the iPhone.
You know.....
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There's lies.....
http://lifehacker.com/software/hack-attack/instal
And then there's lies...
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/08/07/iphone-nes-fast-us
So you are comparing a general purpose computer to human rights now?
Pretentious much?
Yeah but it doesn't run OS X. It seems people are getting over the "cheap" crazy and now want something thats "actually good and just works".
And how much money are you saving if your OS is driving you crazy and eventually crudding up with spyware, malware....etc?
(I know I know a geek's install would remain pristine but I'm talking about regular folks here).
What he means is the GPL3 was designed specificially to prevent what is now happening from happening. Tivoization.
If the general purpose computer in the future no longer serves a market need then why should it not perish?
That being said even if open source software did not exist I don't see the general purpose computer going anywhere. There'd just be more competition between proprietary vendors bringing the price down to reasonable levels. As it is open source by sucking up so many skill full developers who lack the proper management and User Interface design resources enable proprietary vendors to keep prices high because they're able to tell their customers this:
"Don't want to pay $600 for Photoshop? No problem. Why don't you go use that free GIMP thing. You know, that horrible looking piece of crap picture editing software thats free? Yeah its free! So go ahead and help yourself! Whats that? You'd rather have a nail driven right through your scrotum after the nail has been soaked in hot sauce than use GIMP? Well then I hope you have $600 then or you'll have a very sore sac!"
You make having a large stake in proprietary software sound like its a bad thing.
Since when did getting paid for your work go out of style?
Yes they matter. The vast majority of video games are purchased in stores not online.
The monster bills come with any phone on AT&T. And they don't equate to the cost of said bill. For example I got a iPhone bill that was 48 double sided pages long but all the charges were free and included in my plan.
So you're saying Windows 95 wasn't actually a big deal?
I don't know how you could read the grandparents comment, quote some of it, and miss the most important parts.
The point that you missed is that the MORE people we have the more people we have working on solutions to our current problems. When the Earth someday has 9-10 billion people on it we'll have way more scientists than we have right now at 6 billion. We're going to CONTINUE to get more efficient and growing food for ourselves. You didn't bother to distinguish between first and third world countries there in your estimate of land used for food production. Third world nations use way more land for farming than first world nations do.
I have to ask though do you have some sort of anti-people bias? Your wording "Human Virus" makes me suspicious. There's far more ants on the planet for example.
The government is made up of people, both good and bad. That means their actions cover both good and bad outcomes. There are no absolutes and in the United States its hard to demonstrate the government is universally or even mostly bad.
Unless of course you are a anti-government Slashdot un-happy with most things capitalist, western and consumerist type.
In which case I'm probably wasting my keystrokes.
"Uhhh.. no. They're not. At all. They're all a-political opinions. They're all "I don't think I have the right to tell other people to do the right thing" attitudes."
Yeah in other words he doesn't act like a superior know it all holier-than-thou jerk.
You should try it sometime.
Yeah because a nation with an economy expanding at the rate of 9% a year who's expansion is the only think keeping civil unrest from toppling the government isn't going to experience a slowdown someday soon or anything.
"Dude have some perspective please. Darl didn't rape or murder anyone."
Yeah good point. What Darl did was WORSE than rape or murder.
Thakns for keeping our heads focused on reality and out of the clouds.
Why is seeking revenge counter to improving society in your mind?
Sure revenge has gotten a bad rap but I do believe it could be done right if it was redesigned.
Have you applied the iPhone 1.0.1 update yet? Its made Safari a LOT more stable for me. Takes about a week for it to crash for me now. When it starts getting crashy by the way just power down and then turn on the phone again.
Yeah I can make phone calls with my iPhone with no compromises on the phone experience and do all that other stuff you mentioned seeing as how it has a REAL browser and a REAL OS, a REAL keyboard and it doesn't need a mouse with multi-touch but um... what were you saying again?
Aside from gaming, Macs are actually better than Windows for EVERYTHING its just right now the only known area is graphics. ;-)
You still miss the point. They shouldn't have to DO anything to the SUSE default install to get it to work like Ubuntu's. It either just works out of the box or it doesn't. Ubuntu, OS X and Windows for the purposes of this evaluation worked out of the box. SUSE didn't.
Just because Vista may suck is no reason to bang your head up against the nightmare for regular users that is open source.
There is a third option, a third way if you will.
It comes from the rolling hills of Cupertino and on very quiet nights if you listen carefully yuo can hear a *BONG* in the distance telling you that your in the right place.
Or you could just go to your local Apple Store and pick up a Mac there.
Its not just looks and the interface. I am a longtime Palm OS user. Before the iPhone I considered the antiquated Palm OS to be the best smartphone OS so much so that I owned 5 Palm smartphones, 3 Treos and 2 Kyoceras. I could install all the 3rd party software I could ever want. But the iPhone is a game changer. New Treos used to cost $600, same for Windows Mobile devices. But most folks don't use even 10% of the features on said phones because they're too complicated. Symbian isn't big here in the US but I don't think its much different with that OS. So yeah sure the iPhone has less features than a Palm/WM/Symbian device, lets say the iPhone at software rev1 has say only 60% of the features of the aforementioned phones. If iPhone users because of the interface use 90% of the features, then iPhone users are using MORE of their phones than Palm/WM/Symbian users are. I'm not talking about geeks, but regular folks. Geeks can use ANY device to its fullest, and have a higher tolerance for crappy user interfaces. Most of the people in my office have Treos and half of them don't even sync regularly and none have installed 3rd party software on their own. I always have to help them with that. No one in my office who has a WM phone can figure the damn thing out, Microsoft took their well branded "Outlook" email client and named it "Messaging" on their smartphones. Pure idiocy.
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With competition like this, Apple is going to clean up very easily.
Check out these comparison videos:
http://www.atmasphere.net/wp/archives/2007/07/11/
http://www.atmasphere.net/wp/archives/2007/07/11/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJTdFTIF2No http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoDZKcVQ6Y4&mode=r