Novell - well if you are a Novell shop, you will use NDS. You will use everything else Novell has. It is sort of like joining a secret cult.
Not true, you can use Novell's NDS (eDirectory, the LDAP server software) right on top of Linux, Unix, or Windows. The admin tools are almost all Java based or otherwise accessible so you aren't locked in there (clients and management tools for Linux, Unix and Windows). Novell can manage the rights, er permissions, er privileges for clients of any flavor (because a directory services solution is about managing the resources on the network) - and has less bloat and more security than Active Directory.
Novell is my choice hands down. It isn't the nightmare product it used to be. Quite flexable, scalable and for all intents and purposes "open". This product actually follows standards! In my experience it also prices cheaper for clients than Active Directory, although you never know because I'm sure it has changed.
The person who asked this question initially said that the only other option to Active Directory was A cobbled-together solution based as much as possible on OSS (as no direct equivalent exists)
linumax tells us eWeek is reporting that Apple, for the first time, has included open source code in the release of one of their products. The 10.0 version of Macintosh Operating System will be including the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) UNIX derivative. From the article: 'BSD is a key operating system that was designed by a consortia of university students in the 1970s to allow the easy portability of information through "internet" protocol stacks. It abstracts away things like sockets, and our focus is making it super easy for users to get some use out their computers.'
And use Novell Desktop Linux on all of the workstations. Seems like Novell realizes that they have the entire system already. Why not look into it? I've worked with Novell's eDirectory on Red Hat (Fedora) in the lab and it's fun. It also beats Active Directory hands down. Novell's desktop product deserves a cost analysis and review. The Novell client license costs par with Microsoft's and beats it in some situations. Novell is poised to offer an entire solution with limited and cheap licensing.
Hello, they are not customers of yours until they have bought something from you.
That isn't exactly true. Most of the people I call are either customers I'm trying to get back or people who already use my product on a daily basis. They are my customers at that point. I work for the company, they are the companies customers and therefore my customers. Besides I close a lot of my cold calls and those people become my customers. How could they not become my customers until I call them?
And as I've said, most people aren't rude at all. Out of hundreds of people I may talk to in a four hour shift only one of them is going to be abusive because they didn't want to be called. Sometimes I go a week without hearing someone yell just because I called. Sometimes people are mad about the product, but that is a whole different arena.
Until that happens they are private citizens enjoying the privacy of thier [sic] home.
And sometimes using the product I sell right there while they enjoy that privacy. Hey, you've got to face the fact that most people also don't mind being solicited to over the phone. My product doesn't sell any other way in fact. For those (of you) that don't want be intruded on there is a nice system setup so that we may avoid you. I suggest you use that system or don't complain really. If telemarketing didn't work it would continue to go on - and if you don't play by the same rules we do then you can't complain.
We've given you the chance to be listed nationally and at the state level, we will easily comply with your personal request for no more calls. But losing your patience and screaming doesn't allow us to work with you
Telemarketing is wrong.
If you think telemarketing is the biggest intrusion in your life - then I'd suggest you open your eyes. I don't like being told I can't smoke pot or have sex with animals in my own home - but there are people who don't like that sort of behavior. Besides, there are far worse things in the world; things that would better deserve all of this time and energy. If all I had to worry about was being called at home then I wouldn't be in the position where I had to be a telemarketer either.
Yes, and no one forced you to work at your chosen profession. You made the choice, you live with the consequences.
Yeah, yeah. I didn't pick the line of events that led me to choose this. Besides, I'm good at it. I'm polite, take care of my customers and am true to the idea that some people just don't want to be called - ever, about anything. I work with every one of them to get them on our DNC list as well as telling them where to get listed at the state and federal level.
Sure, I've chosen a profession that a minority of the people out there really hate - but I do it in a professional, courteous, way.
You are always free to pick another line of work (e.g., spraying oven cleaner into rabbits' eyes, feeding cheap animal remains to cows, or offering poor street urchins a few bucks to work in a chemical factory).
Yeah, because calling people on the phone is "morally wrong" and causes real pain and suffering. You see, this isn't the same thing as spam - we have methods to keep you from being the one who gets the call. If you play by the same rules we are forced to it all works out. But I do get one person a day (out of hundreds) who acts like this and doesn't help either of us. If you just scream and yell and say that I'm nothing (because I've taken up a job that Yes, and no one forced you to work at your chosen profession. You made the choice, you live with the consequences.
You are always free to pick another line of work (e.g., spraying oven cleaner into rabbits' eyes, feeding cheap animal remains to cows, or offering poor street urchins a few bucks to work in a chemical factory).
Yeah because that is the same thing. Calling you at home is "morally wrong" and causes you sooo much pain and suffering. Tell that to the people I sell to, and more importantly the people that I don't sell to but still don't act as if I've killed their mother.
It could be worse, you could be getting calls from India.
No one wants telemarketers. You soil the society you ride parasitically upon. Perhaps you will die choking on your own vomit, while in the last stages of terminal genital cancer? Oh, I would laugh and laugh and laugh.
Funny, because people buy the product I sell over the phone all day long. Sometimes they couldn't have been happier to talk to me. Besides, if we couldn't call you the company I call for would just go door to door. That's how they did it in the past. It's hard to market something that is the place where everyone else in the city is placing their ads.
I work in a telemarketing firm and I must warn you that most of the information on that page is either out of date or just plain wrong. While some of their advice is a good starting point - I'd suggest doing a little of your own homework. For instance, the fines have gone up into the several thousands of dollars (with much of the money going to regulators, not customers). At the same time, you have to prove that the company called you on purpose. I've, personally, avoided two lawsuits because it wasn't any persons fault (once it was that the dialing server that crashed after their infomation was removed - but it wasn't removed on the backups!)
And as someone in telemarketing, I've got to ask: We are all people trying to get by in the world. The people I work with are so desperate that I'm glad a few of them are working and not out robbing people. Besides them, a lot of them are kids in highschool. Why make a teenager cry? Can't you be just as polite as I'm trying to be and end the call instead of acting like a baby when you might get a call? Screaming at the top of your lungs doesn't do anything but keep us from actually making sure we don't call you again - because we have no desire to!
The national DNC is the best thing to happen to telemarketing. It's removed the spoilers.
Look at the patRIOT act of all things. It gives government carte blanche for whatever they want, AND your not allowed to even know about the laws. How can this prevent terrorism? Eroding away liberties and personal rights of privacy and general freedoms will never solve terrorism, it wont even make a dent in it.
You are spot on - except for one thing: the erosion of our civil liberties will only cause more terrorism. Not from afar, but those of us at home who feel like rats in a cage. Look at the Oklahoma City bombing; that act was committed by people who (real or imagined) felt that their rights were under attack.
You've got to remember that terrorism is only a means to an end. The reason people use those means is because they have no other option. Osama can't build a military - but he can train a rouge force to attack where they can.
What do you think will happen when we can't speak? We'll be blowing shit up too!
But he gets some credit from Vint Cerf and Robert Kahn. "Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development."
This is just another example of why I am glad to live here in the United States of America. We may complain about things from time to time, but at least we do have more freedom of information and able to know more, then most other countries out there.
To run this at the telemarketing firm where I work. They have just installed brand new Dell computers with no CD-ROM or floppy drives - but they have a USB port right out front.
Can't wait to play games and browse the web instead of taking calls!
They've already created an artificial demand, that will boost the supply before Vista goes on sale. By the time Vista ships, the market will equalized.
Imagine the first few pieces of bulked up hardware are going to be sold to those who are building "dream" machines to install Vista on when it ships. Some people will be buying the new hardware to just try it out, have the newest or best, whatever. By the time Windows ships the market won't be as new and there won't be a sticker shock anymore.
Well, maybe there are enough people like me who are fed up with upgrades, and they'll just stay with windows 2000/xp or use linux/*bsd.
Think about all of those people who don't even know what "upgrade" means. They aren't going to cash in their old computer right away.
Chill out anyways. Isn't this a good thing for all of us? Vista will push out hardware that rocks today's hardware. Then we all profit! Like when Quake was released and we started seeing desktop video cards designed to render 3D scenes. Now we've all got one inside out PC.
Switching to low-cost, high-quality solutions like Linux provides us taxpayers with more bang for our buck.
True and not true. Supporting American companies is Good® for America - but the governments efforts should be for funding open source software, this is true.
There is no reason that the government shouldn't be able to enter into contracts for solutions. Blanket contracts are another story all together. It doesn't work with Halliburton and it doesn't work with Microsoft. Spending tax money on some proprietary solutions and funding open source software at universities and within agencies such as NASA are both good things. Wouldn't you be happy if Office was the only thing that the government was buying? Not that it would happen in the near future (unless they went to Macs). A move like that would shake up the entire software industry and put giants like Microsoft on their toes. Propose standards and give contracts to those who can follow those standards.
There should be and can be a balance in government contracts and funding. Maybe one day a open source project will be able to bid for and fullfill those contracts? The idea is that if there was balance to the force, we would all be much happier.
I think there is totally a case to be made that FEMA, once the worst agency in the federal government, and then corrected to be one of the best, had no plan, did nothing and continues to be a wedge between real humanitarian outreach and people who need it. Regardless of the local response the Congress and the President failed to fund projects that could have prevented or mitigated the disaster we now see. If the American government can't afford a feat of that size then I question our decision to go to war. Which, the National Guard was sent, by the Pentagon, to Iraq with their equipment. There is no doubt in my mind that if the state had those troops they could quell the violence and bring people out by the truckloads.
If the levees were funded we wouldn't even be this interested. The general American public would donate, but not on the scale that people are giving today. Now Halliburton defaults to running the rebuilding project because of the Superfund that got them into Iraq. I say that these new levees and public works projects should be built by temporary corporations formed for and disbanded after the project. That is how we built things in the past, and we no doubt have the people willing and some out of work.
This devestation has a great opportunity for the American people to come together now and rebuild all of the areas affected. I say give to Habitat for Humanity before you give to the Red Cross. Employ people who aren't already, from all over the country, and teach them those skills. Everyone in every industry could get down there and do work, and possibly build a city that is ahead of it's time (of course without changing their nature).
The federal government needs to respond by putting the rebuilding effort on a volunteer for pay basis. Organize the entire effort and get people on the ground. Even the efforts to pump the water, get people who have idle time to work. It's a great economic booster. It would go down in history, Bush should sign on. His name will be on the History Channel in 30 years for two reasons.
Hey thanks for that input, and I'm glad to hear that you're a Republican/Conservative. How's that working out for you?
But let me say that repeating everything Michelle Malkin says isn't exactly "original" commentary.
Really, if you want to place blame - there is enough to go around. But let's be honest: FEMA failed in doing its job. The National Guard was stationed in the wrong country. The president took his time, doing fundraisers the day after impact. New Orleans and Louisiana are led by Democrats.
They could have at least gotten out the people who weren't capable of walking to St. John or St. Charles Parish
Of course, you must know by now that the Parishes weren't letting people past the county line. Yes, this was after the impact, but they turned them back because they were "looters."
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Like how the CVS Double-free flaw was discovered a year after it was patched?
Novell - well if you are a Novell shop, you will use NDS. You will use everything else Novell has. It is sort of like joining a secret cult.
Not true, you can use Novell's NDS (eDirectory, the LDAP server software) right on top of Linux, Unix, or Windows. The admin tools are almost all Java based or otherwise accessible so you aren't locked in there (clients and management tools for Linux, Unix and Windows). Novell can manage the rights, er permissions, er privileges for clients of any flavor (because a directory services solution is about managing the resources on the network) - and has less bloat and more security than Active Directory.
Novell is my choice hands down. It isn't the nightmare product it used to be. Quite flexable, scalable and for all intents and purposes "open". This product actually follows standards! In my experience it also prices cheaper for clients than Active Directory, although you never know because I'm sure it has changed.
The person who asked this question initially said that the only other option to Active Directory was A cobbled-together solution based as much as possible on OSS (as no direct equivalent exists)
This simply isn't true. There is eDirectory and it's better! (PDF) Wake up people! It's 2005 and there is a better option out there and to top it all off they are a Linux company too.
Open Source Code Finds Way into Apple Release
(From February/March of 2001)
linumax tells us eWeek is reporting that Apple, for the first time, has included open source code in the release of one of their products. The 10.0 version of Macintosh Operating System will be including the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) UNIX derivative. From the article: 'BSD is a key operating system that was designed by a consortia of university students in the 1970s to allow the easy portability of information through "internet" protocol stacks. It abstracts away things like sockets, and our focus is making it super easy for users to get some use out their computers.'
It's a joke! Smile!
The code name for the project would be Minneapolis and the final product would be called Opportunity.
As for running Linux and Novell software, why not replace the entire Windows system and use eDirectory instead of Active Directory? It runs on Linux.
http://www.novell.com/products/edirectory/
And use Novell Desktop Linux on all of the workstations. Seems like Novell realizes that they have the entire system already. Why not look into it? I've worked with Novell's eDirectory on Red Hat (Fedora) in the lab and it's fun. It also beats Active Directory hands down. Novell's desktop product deserves a cost analysis and review. The Novell client license costs par with Microsoft's and beats it in some situations. Novell is poised to offer an entire solution with limited and cheap licensing.
I for one welcome our mineshaft dwelling overlords...
Hello, they are not customers of yours until they have bought something from you.
That isn't exactly true. Most of the people I call are either customers I'm trying to get back or people who already use my product on a daily basis. They are my customers at that point. I work for the company, they are the companies customers and therefore my customers. Besides I close a lot of my cold calls and those people become my customers. How could they not become my customers until I call them?
And as I've said, most people aren't rude at all. Out of hundreds of people I may talk to in a four hour shift only one of them is going to be abusive because they didn't want to be called. Sometimes I go a week without hearing someone yell just because I called. Sometimes people are mad about the product, but that is a whole different arena.
Until that happens they are private citizens enjoying the privacy of thier [sic] home.
And sometimes using the product I sell right there while they enjoy that privacy. Hey, you've got to face the fact that most people also don't mind being solicited to over the phone. My product doesn't sell any other way in fact. For those (of you) that don't want be intruded on there is a nice system setup so that we may avoid you. I suggest you use that system or don't complain really. If telemarketing didn't work it would continue to go on - and if you don't play by the same rules we do then you can't complain.
We've given you the chance to be listed nationally and at the state level, we will easily comply with your personal request for no more calls. But losing your patience and screaming doesn't allow us to work with you
Telemarketing is wrong.
If you think telemarketing is the biggest intrusion in your life - then I'd suggest you open your eyes. I don't like being told I can't smoke pot or have sex with animals in my own home - but there are people who don't like that sort of behavior. Besides, there are far worse things in the world; things that would better deserve all of this time and energy. If all I had to worry about was being called at home then I wouldn't be in the position where I had to be a telemarketer either.
Life sucks, get over it.
Yes, and no one forced you to work at your chosen profession. You made the choice, you live with the consequences.
Yeah, yeah. I didn't pick the line of events that led me to choose this. Besides, I'm good at it. I'm polite, take care of my customers and am true to the idea that some people just don't want to be called - ever, about anything. I work with every one of them to get them on our DNC list as well as telling them where to get listed at the state and federal level.
Sure, I've chosen a profession that a minority of the people out there really hate - but I do it in a professional, courteous, way.
You are always free to pick another line of work (e.g., spraying oven cleaner into rabbits' eyes, feeding cheap animal remains to cows, or offering poor street urchins a few bucks to work in a chemical factory).
Yeah, because calling people on the phone is "morally wrong" and causes real pain and suffering. You see, this isn't the same thing as spam - we have methods to keep you from being the one who gets the call. If you play by the same rules we are forced to it all works out. But I do get one person a day (out of hundreds) who acts like this and doesn't help either of us. If you just scream and yell and say that I'm nothing (because I've taken up a job that Yes, and no one forced you to work at your chosen profession. You made the choice, you live with the consequences.
You are always free to pick another line of work (e.g., spraying oven cleaner into rabbits' eyes, feeding cheap animal remains to cows, or offering poor street urchins a few bucks to work in a chemical factory).
Yeah because that is the same thing. Calling you at home is "morally wrong" and causes you sooo much pain and suffering. Tell that to the people I sell to, and more importantly the people that I don't sell to but still don't act as if I've killed their mother.
It could be worse, you could be getting calls from India.
No one wants telemarketers. You soil the society you ride parasitically upon. Perhaps you will die choking on your own vomit, while in the last stages of terminal genital cancer? Oh, I would laugh and laugh and laugh.
Funny, because people buy the product I sell over the phone all day long. Sometimes they couldn't have been happier to talk to me. Besides, if we couldn't call you the company I call for would just go door to door. That's how they did it in the past. It's hard to market something that is the place where everyone else in the city is placing their ads.
Now you promise you won't steal my idea. Right?
I've already done that, it's called sex with my spouse.
I work in a telemarketing firm and I must warn you that most of the information on that page is either out of date or just plain wrong. While some of their advice is a good starting point - I'd suggest doing a little of your own homework. For instance, the fines have gone up into the several thousands of dollars (with much of the money going to regulators, not customers). At the same time, you have to prove that the company called you on purpose. I've, personally, avoided two lawsuits because it wasn't any persons fault (once it was that the dialing server that crashed after their infomation was removed - but it wasn't removed on the backups!)
And as someone in telemarketing, I've got to ask: We are all people trying to get by in the world. The people I work with are so desperate that I'm glad a few of them are working and not out robbing people. Besides them, a lot of them are kids in highschool. Why make a teenager cry? Can't you be just as polite as I'm trying to be and end the call instead of acting like a baby when you might get a call? Screaming at the top of your lungs doesn't do anything but keep us from actually making sure we don't call you again - because we have no desire to!
The national DNC is the best thing to happen to telemarketing. It's removed the spoilers.
I for one welcome our airplane sized extinct reptile overlords
It wouldn't be the first time scientists are confused because animals are more efficient than machines...
Look at the patRIOT act of all things. It gives government carte blanche for whatever they want, AND your not allowed to even know about the laws. How can this prevent terrorism? Eroding away liberties and personal rights of privacy and general freedoms will never solve terrorism, it wont even make a dent in it.
You are spot on - except for one thing: the erosion of our civil liberties will only cause more terrorism. Not from afar, but those of us at home who feel like rats in a cage. Look at the Oklahoma City bombing; that act was committed by people who (real or imagined) felt that their rights were under attack.
http://tinyurl.com/7afy5 or http://tinyurl.com/9hd7o
You've got to remember that terrorism is only a means to an end. The reason people use those means is because they have no other option. Osama can't build a military - but he can train a rouge force to attack where they can.
What do you think will happen when we can't speak? We'll be blowing shit up too!
If you tell him what the article says when will he learn?
Let me just say that when someone has to say "I suspect", "I assume" or "I take it" then they haven't RTFA.
But he gets some credit from Vint Cerf and Robert Kahn. "Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development."
http://tinyurl.com/65ssc
or Coralized:
http://tinyurl.com/as4k8
This is just another example of why I am glad to live here in the United States of America. We may complain about things from time to time, but at least we do have more freedom of information and able to know more, then most other countries out there.
I think you missed this story.
I've tried all of those...
To run this at the telemarketing firm where I work. They have just installed brand new Dell computers with no CD-ROM or floppy drives - but they have a USB port right out front.
Can't wait to play games and browse the web instead of taking calls!
Wouldn't they be dropping the prices?
They've already created an artificial demand, that will boost the supply before Vista goes on sale. By the time Vista ships, the market will equalized.
Imagine the first few pieces of bulked up hardware are going to be sold to those who are building "dream" machines to install Vista on when it ships. Some people will be buying the new hardware to just try it out, have the newest or best, whatever. By the time Windows ships the market won't be as new and there won't be a sticker shock anymore.
Well, maybe there are enough people like me who are fed up with upgrades, and they'll just stay with windows 2000/xp or use linux/*bsd.
Think about all of those people who don't even know what "upgrade" means. They aren't going to cash in their old computer right away.
Chill out anyways. Isn't this a good thing for all of us? Vista will push out hardware that rocks today's hardware. Then we all profit! Like when Quake was released and we started seeing desktop video cards designed to render 3D scenes. Now we've all got one inside out PC.
Poland?
Switching to low-cost, high-quality solutions like Linux provides us taxpayers with more bang for our buck.
True and not true. Supporting American companies is Good® for America - but the governments efforts should be for funding open source software, this is true.
There is no reason that the government shouldn't be able to enter into contracts for solutions. Blanket contracts are another story all together. It doesn't work with Halliburton and it doesn't work with Microsoft. Spending tax money on some proprietary solutions and funding open source software at universities and within agencies such as NASA are both good things. Wouldn't you be happy if Office was the only thing that the government was buying? Not that it would happen in the near future (unless they went to Macs). A move like that would shake up the entire software industry and put giants like Microsoft on their toes. Propose standards and give contracts to those who can follow those standards.
There should be and can be a balance in government contracts and funding. Maybe one day a open source project will be able to bid for and fullfill those contracts? The idea is that if there was balance to the force, we would all be much happier.
Well if that is your outlook:
p roves.php
http://www.swingstateproject.com/2005/08/katrina_
and shameful self promotion:
http://www.mintruth.com/blog/index.php?p=315
I think there is totally a case to be made that FEMA, once the worst agency in the federal government, and then corrected to be one of the best, had no plan, did nothing and continues to be a wedge between real humanitarian outreach and people who need it. Regardless of the local response the Congress and the President failed to fund projects that could have prevented or mitigated the disaster we now see. If the American government can't afford a feat of that size then I question our decision to go to war. Which, the National Guard was sent, by the Pentagon, to Iraq with their equipment. There is no doubt in my mind that if the state had those troops they could quell the violence and bring people out by the truckloads.
If the levees were funded we wouldn't even be this interested. The general American public would donate, but not on the scale that people are giving today. Now Halliburton defaults to running the rebuilding project because of the Superfund that got them into Iraq. I say that these new levees and public works projects should be built by temporary corporations formed for and disbanded after the project. That is how we built things in the past, and we no doubt have the people willing and some out of work.
This devestation has a great opportunity for the American people to come together now and rebuild all of the areas affected. I say give to Habitat for Humanity before you give to the Red Cross. Employ people who aren't already, from all over the country, and teach them those skills. Everyone in every industry could get down there and do work, and possibly build a city that is ahead of it's time (of course without changing their nature).
The federal government needs to respond by putting the rebuilding effort on a volunteer for pay basis. Organize the entire effort and get people on the ground. Even the efforts to pump the water, get people who have idle time to work. It's a great economic booster. It would go down in history, Bush should sign on. His name will be on the History Channel in 30 years for two reasons.
Hey thanks for that input, and I'm glad to hear that you're a Republican/Conservative. How's that working out for you?
But let me say that repeating everything Michelle Malkin says isn't exactly "original" commentary.
Really, if you want to place blame - there is enough to go around. But let's be honest: FEMA failed in doing its job. The National Guard was stationed in the wrong country. The president took his time, doing fundraisers the day after impact. New Orleans and Louisiana are led by Democrats.
Let me guess, you'll say Rudy Giuliani should run fro president or that he was "so great" or the "hero" of 9/11? Bull shit - he's a fucking asshole who make money off of all of this "preparedness" that we talk so much about. In fact, people like Rudy is exactly the reason that we weren't ready for this disaster. He makes so much noise about terrorism, and has drained everyone's budgets dry with these cries about the sky falling. Really, he just wants to make some money from these ventures.
He's a fucking cock sucker you hear me?
They could have at least gotten out the people who weren't capable of walking to St. John or St. Charles Parish
Of course, you must know by now that the Parishes weren't letting people past the county line. Yes, this was after the impact, but they turned them back because they were "looters."