Let me also add: Try going without something you use everyday for a month. After two weeks you'll feel better if you can keep up.
Sorry if you can't go that long without breaking a self-imposed rule. If you think it serves no purpose to test yourself in that way then I've already lost you.
Laws do not exist as some abstract entity, and it is not 'moral' to obey the law and 'immoral' to disobey them. Laws cannot be harmed or rewarded, and thus your relationship to the law itself is amoral.
I'm not talking the "law" as you think. I'm saying that many laws and rules that you and I think as silly do exist for a good reason (like wearing a seat belt or jaywalking). Laws can't be harmed, but when you are talking about the collective morality (the "line") then you must acknowledge that an amoral stance is one which will only get you in trouble (and everyone else). If you approach societies boundaries with the *any* sense of morality you're off to a good start.
It is, however, utterly immoral to suggest finding someone guilty of a crime soley [sic] to 'teach them restraint'.
Isn't that what justice systems have been based on for thousands of years? If not all of western society? I don't agree that the punishment always fits the crime or that the punishment is a good deterrent, but that is the system we have (change it, I'll help).
And of rather dubious benefit to immediately clear their record. All you'd have taught them at that point is how to abuse the court system.
Merely a suggestion. If someone is shown that there are consequences to rather inane actions maybe they will be more mindful of "the rules" (social norms, laws, etc) of what is expected of them as people.
There's more I could type on that, but frankly I think everyone can see how fucking stupid you are. Maybe you need to learn to restrain your urge to punish people who aren't as 'enlightened' as you.
Of course I'm stupid, and I'm sure you got that idea because of belief system. Have you really read what I've typed and bothered to look at the ideas and not just the words. It's a basic fact of life that there are rules and there are consequences for breaking those rules - even if the so-called punishment in this case has gone to far. It seems you are trying to argue that no punishment is needed - but what will happen next time, in another situation? Should we tell these kids that the rules that were set forth have no meaning?
I do restrain, I don't believe in revenge and try to be as non-emotional as I can be when looking at any case like this (and worse cases). I never tried to push my beliefs on you or anyone else here. I'm just saying that is how I was raised, and later how I took those lessons and applied them to my moral framework. I never was punished without being taught the reason that I was being punished, I never was just punished without the discussion of why these boundaries existed. But at the same time I still question a lot of rules, laws and norms (like why should pot be illegal while drinking and smoking aren't).
I'm not telling anyone to think like me and I'm not telling anyone to be a mindless sheep to societies norms - just that with action there is consequence. Break the rules, pay the price. If we can't agree on that, then I question your intelligence.
Which brings me back to a point I made in another post - I'm glad they are doing this so I as a "Blogger" don't get blacklisted for another persons bad behavior.
MSN Spaces? Fine, I don't think anyone looks at those anyways - I sure don't, saves me the trouble.
Sure is a problem if you were looking for something else, but mainly a problem for whoever has to carry that bandwidth. Google and others, your ISP, you, have to pay for those millions of blogs and hits over time.
I don't think the planet is that fragile, it's exactly the ecosystem I'm worried about. Frankly, it's us that I'm worried about. We seem very reluctant to do anything about global climate change (at least here in America) if it is our fault (which many believe it to be). Regardless, I'd rather it be nature's fault and us go crazy trying to fix it.
I know that the climate is subject to change over time, however I'm afraid that if we are doing it - and if we continue with our attitude - we'll assume the other dying species won't affect us either. True, on our own we may be able to survive a global freeze or warm-up, but I don't think we'd live long without the same plant and animal life we see now.
At least not for long. Kinda though, I think it would be cool to live during an 'Ice' age - if you'll pardon the pun.
No, really we are talking about blogs that are spam themselves - no way to 'nofollow' the entire Blogspot domain without ruining the idea of a blog itself. In fact that would ruin Google considering they count on a lot of what their 'Bloggers' are talking about.
If they decided to 'nofollow' every link I posted in my blog posts I'd jump ship quick.
This is about reducing the number of blogs whose authors post only spam. The number of such blogs is enormous -- most counts put it between half and 2/3.
Good thing it is being done too - I'd hate to be excluded from the other search engines because I've got a few blogs with Blogspot/Blogger. Gets rid of that whole "guilt by association" thing.
BTW: The 'flag as objectional' button hasn't shown up yet on any blogs I post to.
No you're right - killing the fly with the sledgehammer isn't the best solution.
However given the chance to teach these kids an important lesson on life they should do the whole court thing and at the very end expunge their records or something. People in this society know nothing of restraint and have no problem crossing the line if it is blurred or if no one is around.
Shit though, I've seen enough people get busted for silly things like cussing at a cop and facing assult charges. One person I knew was caught shoplifting a Sprite (although most people doubt that he actually did since he had it in hand and never left the store, so details are thin in that department). But this guy was beaten by the police, broke two ribs and his arm because he was black and it was a white neighborhood. When he was being kicked, he tried to get up and grabbed the cops leg - he spent six months in jail for that.
Cops even cross the line, and that is why we have it.
I just think that telling someone not to do something should be enough in some cases - these kids didn't have "the right" to bend the rules no matter what people here say. The computers belong to the school and were given for a specific purpose. If they couldn't get the use out of them they needed, there could have been other ways to address the issue.
Then again, I'm big on not breaking the rules. It's a religious/spiritual thing because I keep kosher and do those things because I know that restraint is a battle that once won can be very rewarding.
I've been writing to Blogger/Google about a lot of fake blogs for a while and I'm glad to see Flag as Objectionable come into play. After a while I just got tired of doing it and stopped.
Up until now there was nothing they or the surfer could do - good work Google.
Let's not forget that every now and then you might see something on a banner ad that might interest you. I don't know how many times I've clicked a ThinkGeek ad (here) to check out a new or unknown product. Also, Google can make ads even more interesting with the power that Google has to connect two topics.
Right now I'm looking at one of their stories and it seems that maybe they should put the ad block (text list) in the actual paragraphs or move the vertical banners between the logo and text (make them horizontal too).
Ads annoy some people, but most of us have been looking at advertising all of our lives and accept it. Google's relevant ads even interest me on my own site - if it wasn't forbidden I'd click just to see where it leads me.
I must say that I often click on Google ads before any other type - sometimes knowing that it will help the site out a bit.
Yeah, because when it is possible and even easy to break the rules or law - you might as well do it.
"Hell, it isn't my fault that guy left his keys in the ignition and I took his car - it's his!"
Fuck these kids - maybe they can learn some restraint. Last time this issue was posted I was sympathetic, but hey we've all got to resist temptation to break the law and rules all day long. Charging them may be a little too far, but if they were told first not to do what they did, it's only their fault that they are where they are. They are minors, so it won't matter much in the long run.
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Big question simply is, does it have enough distance for these thousand users, probably not.
Most fire codes won't allow 1000 users to use this AP.
My point exactly... broadband for food though. It sure is helping to feed those in India.
Education is the first thing that needs to be tackled - and broadband surely can help with that (it has in India). Maybe stopping the Iraq war would be a good idea too. But heck, who needs 3 million more teachers?
The Mambo Foundation was formed without regard to the concerns of the core development teams. We, the community, have no voice in its government or the future direction of Mambo. The Mambo Steering Committee made up of development team and Miro representatives authorized incorporation of the Foundation and should form the first Board. Miro CEO Peter Lamont has taken it upon himself to incorporate the Foundation and appoint the Board without consulting the two development team representatives, Andrew Eddie and Brian Teeman.
Although Mr. Lamont through the MSC promised to transfer the Mambo copyright to the Foundation, Miro now refuses to do so.
What we will do: We will continue to develop and improve a version of this award-winning software project currently released under the GNU General Public License. We wish Miro and the Mambo Foundation well and regret that we are not able to work with them.
Sounds great. I'd rather have them read my meter over the internet than have them snooping around in my yard. That's better privacy. Also, while meter readers will be out of a job, it will create IT jobs -- and IT labor demand benefits me, as well as many other slashdotters.
You're a Republican right? Ok, just joking... but who is going to train the meter reading populace to do the IT jobs? Considering it costs more for IT people than meter readers then I'd suspect most jobs would go overseas (to places like India or S.Korea where they aren't having these broadband problems).
Sometimes you have to put the needs of everyone else, and the world, before your own. Considering they can extend DSL 20 kilometers you can try that instead maybe? But here is a novel idea: Try to get your power company to install a Wi-Fi transmitter at your meter. Works great for me on water, gas and electricity, no one ever even gets out of the car.
And if I could get some competition for cable internet, which is the ONLY broadband available in my rural location...
Fuck you, at least you got Internet access, some people don't have broadband at all.
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Let me also add: Try going without something you use everyday for a month. After two weeks you'll feel better if you can keep up.
Sorry if you can't go that long without breaking a self-imposed rule. If you think it serves no purpose to test yourself in that way then I've already lost you.
Laws do not exist as some abstract entity, and it is not 'moral' to obey the law and 'immoral' to disobey them. Laws cannot be harmed or rewarded, and thus your relationship to the law itself is amoral.
I'm not talking the "law" as you think. I'm saying that many laws and rules that you and I think as silly do exist for a good reason (like wearing a seat belt or jaywalking). Laws can't be harmed, but when you are talking about the collective morality (the "line") then you must acknowledge that an amoral stance is one which will only get you in trouble (and everyone else). If you approach societies boundaries with the *any* sense of morality you're off to a good start.
It is, however, utterly immoral to suggest finding someone guilty of a crime soley [sic] to 'teach them restraint'.
Isn't that what justice systems have been based on for thousands of years? If not all of western society? I don't agree that the punishment always fits the crime or that the punishment is a good deterrent, but that is the system we have (change it, I'll help).
And of rather dubious benefit to immediately clear their record. All you'd have taught them at that point is how to abuse the court system.
Merely a suggestion. If someone is shown that there are consequences to rather inane actions maybe they will be more mindful of "the rules" (social norms, laws, etc) of what is expected of them as people.
There's more I could type on that, but frankly I think everyone can see how fucking stupid you are. Maybe you need to learn to restrain your urge to punish people who aren't as 'enlightened' as you.
Of course I'm stupid, and I'm sure you got that idea because of belief system. Have you really read what I've typed and bothered to look at the ideas and not just the words. It's a basic fact of life that there are rules and there are consequences for breaking those rules - even if the so-called punishment in this case has gone to far. It seems you are trying to argue that no punishment is needed - but what will happen next time, in another situation? Should we tell these kids that the rules that were set forth have no meaning?
I do restrain, I don't believe in revenge and try to be as non-emotional as I can be when looking at any case like this (and worse cases). I never tried to push my beliefs on you or anyone else here. I'm just saying that is how I was raised, and later how I took those lessons and applied them to my moral framework. I never was punished without being taught the reason that I was being punished, I never was just punished without the discussion of why these boundaries existed. But at the same time I still question a lot of rules, laws and norms (like why should pot be illegal while drinking and smoking aren't).
I'm not telling anyone to think like me and I'm not telling anyone to be a mindless sheep to societies norms - just that with action there is consequence. Break the rules, pay the price. If we can't agree on that, then I question your intelligence.
Which brings me back to a point I made in another post - I'm glad they are doing this so I as a "Blogger" don't get blacklisted for another persons bad behavior.
MSN Spaces? Fine, I don't think anyone looks at those anyways - I sure don't, saves me the trouble.
Sure is a problem if you were looking for something else, but mainly a problem for whoever has to carry that bandwidth. Google and others, your ISP, you, have to pay for those millions of blogs and hits over time.
See, common ground after all.
We seem to agree that it is mainly a medical problem - a problem with the mind. Treatment could avoid the need for punishment.
[Frankly, I feel quite inspirational after writing that]
I don't think the planet is that fragile, it's exactly the ecosystem I'm worried about. Frankly, it's us that I'm worried about. We seem very reluctant to do anything about global climate change (at least here in America) if it is our fault (which many believe it to be). Regardless, I'd rather it be nature's fault and us go crazy trying to fix it.
I know that the climate is subject to change over time, however I'm afraid that if we are doing it - and if we continue with our attitude - we'll assume the other dying species won't affect us either. True, on our own we may be able to survive a global freeze or warm-up, but I don't think we'd live long without the same plant and animal life we see now.
At least not for long. Kinda though, I think it would be cool to live during an 'Ice' age - if you'll pardon the pun.
Because we are talking SPLOGS!
No, really we are talking about blogs that are spam themselves - no way to 'nofollow' the entire Blogspot domain without ruining the idea of a blog itself. In fact that would ruin Google considering they count on a lot of what their 'Bloggers' are talking about.
If they decided to 'nofollow' every link I posted in my blog posts I'd jump ship quick.
Global warming means nothing more than a bet!
Cooler or warmer, if we are the ones doing it then we are all fsck'd.
You are right, the country with almost the most mentally ill people per capita is Afghanistan who has seen war for 25 years straight now.
PTSD is serious and often manifests itself like this.
Anything that can help save innocent citizens is good in my book.
Quit being so literal and unforgiving, it may just come back to bite you in the ass someday
Jaywalkers beware!
Seriously, are you an American? The founding fathers are spinning in their graves....
This is about reducing the number of blogs whose authors post only spam. The number of such blogs is enormous -- most counts put it between half and 2/3.
Good thing it is being done too - I'd hate to be excluded from the other search engines because I've got a few blogs with Blogspot/Blogger. Gets rid of that whole "guilt by association" thing.
BTW: The 'flag as objectional' button hasn't shown up yet on any blogs I post to.
No you're right - killing the fly with the sledgehammer isn't the best solution.
However given the chance to teach these kids an important lesson on life they should do the whole court thing and at the very end expunge their records or something. People in this society know nothing of restraint and have no problem crossing the line if it is blurred or if no one is around.
Shit though, I've seen enough people get busted for silly things like cussing at a cop and facing assult charges. One person I knew was caught shoplifting a Sprite (although most people doubt that he actually did since he had it in hand and never left the store, so details are thin in that department). But this guy was beaten by the police, broke two ribs and his arm because he was black and it was a white neighborhood. When he was being kicked, he tried to get up and grabbed the cops leg - he spent six months in jail for that.
Cops even cross the line, and that is why we have it.
I just think that telling someone not to do something should be enough in some cases - these kids didn't have "the right" to bend the rules no matter what people here say. The computers belong to the school and were given for a specific purpose. If they couldn't get the use out of them they needed, there could have been other ways to address the issue.
Then again, I'm big on not breaking the rules. It's a religious/spiritual thing because I keep kosher and do those things because I know that restraint is a battle that once won can be very rewarding.
I've been writing to Blogger/Google about a lot of fake blogs for a while and I'm glad to see Flag as Objectionable come into play. After a while I just got tired of doing it and stopped.
Up until now there was nothing they or the surfer could do - good work Google.
Amen...
Let's not forget that every now and then you might see something on a banner ad that might interest you. I don't know how many times I've clicked a ThinkGeek ad (here) to check out a new or unknown product. Also, Google can make ads even more interesting with the power that Google has to connect two topics.
Right now I'm looking at one of their stories and it seems that maybe they should put the ad block (text list) in the actual paragraphs or move the vertical banners between the logo and text (make them horizontal too).
Ads annoy some people, but most of us have been looking at advertising all of our lives and accept it. Google's relevant ads even interest me on my own site - if it wasn't forbidden I'd click just to see where it leads me.
I must say that I often click on Google ads before any other type - sometimes knowing that it will help the site out a bit.
Even if it wasn't used for "therapy" but instead used for a simulation - one that medicates the need for younglings - then it's a good thing right?
Anything to stop actual crimes from being committed, but I'm sure that you wouldn't support it then either.
Long live FreeBSD!
Sorry, my deadpan humor is getting out of control
Anything
Yeah, because when it is possible and even easy to break the rules or law - you might as well do it.
"Hell, it isn't my fault that guy left his keys in the ignition and I took his car - it's his!"
Fuck these kids - maybe they can learn some restraint. Last time this issue was posted I was sympathetic, but hey we've all got to resist temptation to break the law and rules all day long. Charging them may be a little too far, but if they were told first not to do what they did, it's only their fault that they are where they are. They are minors, so it won't matter much in the long run.
Big question simply is, does it have enough distance for these thousand users, probably not.
Most fire codes won't allow 1000 users to use this AP.
My point exactly... broadband for food though. It sure is helping to feed those in India.
Education is the first thing that needs to be tackled - and broadband surely can help with that (it has in India). Maybe stopping the Iraq war would be a good idea too. But heck, who needs 3 million more teachers?
Miro Corporation wanted to play games and fuck the development team so the development team took their dick away. Now the development team will do all of the fucking!
Give players free will and they will commit the worst sins...
In America a small claims court judge can't even order the return of property...
Just a tidbit from The People's Court
Sounds great. I'd rather have them read my meter over the internet than have them snooping around in my yard. That's better privacy. Also, while meter readers will be out of a job, it will create IT jobs -- and IT labor demand benefits me, as well as many other slashdotters.
You're a Republican right? Ok, just joking... but who is going to train the meter reading populace to do the IT jobs? Considering it costs more for IT people than meter readers then I'd suspect most jobs would go overseas (to places like India or S.Korea where they aren't having these broadband problems).
Sometimes you have to put the needs of everyone else, and the world, before your own. Considering they can extend DSL 20 kilometers you can try that instead maybe? But here is a novel idea: Try to get your power company to install a Wi-Fi transmitter at your meter. Works great for me on water, gas and electricity, no one ever even gets out of the car.
And if I could get some competition for cable internet, which is the ONLY broadband available in my rural location...
Fuck you, at least you got Internet access, some people don't have broadband at all.