Maybe we'll start seeing some of these companies adopt the Prince attitude.."the company formally known as Gator, now known as Claria, will now be known as the symbol [insert design symbol here]."
That should through off these pesky businesses from trying to track em down.
* Serverd in WWII and the Korean War. Would have broken more Baseball records, had he not given up 7 years of his life for the Military and the War Efforts.
** Decided to turn down a $3.68M/yr salary for 4 years after Sep 11,2001, to serve his country as an Airborne Ranger, and recently died in Afganastan, earning the Silver Star for valor.
***Served in Vietnam as a S.E.A.L, and after he retired from Professional Wrestling, became the first Indipendant Governer elected in Minnasotta.
To say the military is the dredge of society, and only misfits join, is like saying Macs and PC's are the same thing. The military used to get the social outcasts, losers, and criminals, no doubt about that, but about the time I enlisted back in 1989, it was getting to the point it was easier ing into some colleges, than the U.S. Army. I spent 4 years using some of the most sophisticated communications equipment within the 82nd Airborne Division, and I can promise you, even the grunts (Infantry/11B) had higher than average IQ's. Killing isn't easy, but staying alive is even harder...and being with the Airborne, you need to be a step above the rest, in brains, and muscles.
You need to have a brain, to be considered brain dead. As a yank, and a veteran, I'm proud of my service, and proud of my country and president. I AM NOT PROUD of the weekend warriors turned soldiers, who take action on their own. Why was this chick (the one sent home who was in the photos (something England)) 5 months pregnant? The actions of this unit are not that or typical of that of the US Army, and do hope you geeks out there are intelligent enough to understand that.
Being an ex-soldier, and 2x combat vet from the early 1990's, I'm of mixed feelings about the happenings there in Iraq dealing with the abuse of prisoners. Personally, I wouldn't want to be abused if i was a POW, and we know full well, it would happen. I am against humiliation, or physical abuse or harm against any POW, but there is always a barrier that needs to be weighed...human rights for a P.O.S terrorist, or the good of mankind and hundreds of thousands of civilians...and i'd have to say, im on the side of shoving bamboo under fingernails to get results. My main reasoning there is: they (the terrorist) have no boundaries on military or civilian targets. To them, it's all for GOD, and their religion.
Somewhere in this thread, someone posted that the guards MOS are MP's (military police) and that they are trained for this job...close but not really. Most MP's in the military are normally Band members, who 2nd as MP's, and most of the reported abuses are at points where NG or AR soldiers are posted...and they lack the needed training that say, RA servicemen get. Also stated throughout this thread, are remarks about the addition of cameras, people would do more grosser acts than normal, and I agree.
As for punishment, I say nail the perps top the cross. Not only do they blemish the record of every soldier doing their job correctly there, it tarnishes the US as a whole. Calling for Rumfields resignation is not even a solution, its crap. Telling a Lt Gen that his carear is over because some of his troops are abusing POW's is just as outrageous. Sure, the commanders are responsible, but personally, I say fry the troops, and immidiate chain of command...put the blame where it belongs....thats on the troops taking pictures and doing the deeds.
Being exmilitary, and knowing all about Com-Sec, and OpSec, I say classify it, give him an A++ and hire him full time with the NSA as a consultant and pay him some hefty $$. Sure the info is available there for anyone (as stated in a few other posts) but why make it easier for them? Oersonally, I am against cencorship, and a staunch believer in the BILL of RIGHTS, but sometimes you need to weigh freedom of the press (or speech) to the security of a nation.
Can't have the general Population having better technology than your Government...with the economical state the Soviet Union is in...most of yer Tom, Dicks, and Harry's have better communications than the military.
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Maybe we'll start seeing some of these companies adopt the Prince attitude.."the company formally known as Gator, now known as Claria, will now be known as the symbol [insert design symbol here]."
That should through off these pesky businesses from trying to track em down.
Lemme know when they find Atlantis and the Loch Ness Monster................
You forgot a few:
Ted Williams*
Pat Tillman**
Jesse Ventura***
* Serverd in WWII and the Korean War. Would have broken more Baseball records, had he not given up 7 years of his life for the Military and the War Efforts.
** Decided to turn down a $3.68M/yr salary for 4 years after Sep 11,2001, to serve his country as an Airborne Ranger, and recently died in Afganastan, earning the Silver Star for valor.
***Served in Vietnam as a S.E.A.L, and after he retired from Professional Wrestling, became the first Indipendant Governer elected in Minnasotta.
To say the military is the dredge of society, and only misfits join, is like saying Macs and PC's are the same thing. The military used to get the social outcasts, losers, and criminals, no doubt about that, but about the time I enlisted back in 1989, it was getting to the point it was easier ing into some colleges, than the U.S. Army. I spent 4 years using some of the most sophisticated communications equipment within the 82nd Airborne Division, and I can promise you, even the grunts (Infantry/11B) had higher than average IQ's. Killing isn't easy, but staying alive is even harder...and being with the Airborne, you need to be a step above the rest, in brains, and muscles.
You need to have a brain, to be considered brain dead. As a yank, and a veteran, I'm proud of my service, and proud of my country and president. I AM NOT PROUD of the weekend warriors turned soldiers, who take action on their own. Why was this chick (the one sent home who was in the photos (something England)) 5 months pregnant? The actions of this unit are not that or typical of that of the US Army, and do hope you geeks out there are intelligent enough to understand that.
Being an ex-soldier, and 2x combat vet from the early 1990's, I'm of mixed feelings about the happenings there in Iraq dealing with the abuse of prisoners. Personally, I wouldn't want to be abused if i was a POW, and we know full well, it would happen. I am against humiliation, or physical abuse or harm against any POW, but there is always a barrier that needs to be weighed...human rights for a P.O.S terrorist, or the good of mankind and hundreds of thousands of civilians...and i'd have to say, im on the side of shoving bamboo under fingernails to get results. My main reasoning there is: they (the terrorist) have no boundaries on military or civilian targets. To them, it's all for GOD, and their religion.
Somewhere in this thread, someone posted that the guards MOS are MP's (military police) and that they are trained for this job...close but not really. Most MP's in the military are normally Band members, who 2nd as MP's, and most of the reported abuses are at points where NG or AR soldiers are posted...and they lack the needed training that say, RA servicemen get. Also stated throughout this thread, are remarks about the addition of cameras, people would do more grosser acts than normal, and I agree.
As for punishment, I say nail the perps top the cross. Not only do they blemish the record of every soldier doing their job correctly there, it tarnishes the US as a whole. Calling for Rumfields resignation is not even a solution, its crap. Telling a Lt Gen that his carear is over because some of his troops are abusing POW's is just as outrageous. Sure, the commanders are responsible, but personally, I say fry the troops, and immidiate chain of command...put the blame where it belongs....thats on the troops taking pictures and doing the deeds.
Being exmilitary, and knowing all about Com-Sec, and OpSec, I say classify it, give him an A++ and hire him full time with the NSA as a consultant and pay him some hefty $$. Sure the info is available there for anyone (as stated in a few other posts) but why make it easier for them? Oersonally, I am against cencorship, and a staunch believer in the BILL of RIGHTS, but sometimes you need to weigh freedom of the press (or speech) to the security of a nation.
Can't have the general Population having better technology than your Government...with the economical state the Soviet Union is in...most of yer Tom, Dicks, and Harry's have better communications than the military.