Interesting theory. I never thought of it this way.
I _really_ agree with your statement that the greatest high for us is to see that our software is used by others. I don't have much released but whenever I do get feedback I feel great. It's not just programmers -- artists, musicians, authors. All people have that desire.
I actually think that your representation is probably a better way to understand the success of Free Software. Altruism, in its purest sense, doesn't really work in reality. But it's not just giving away software -- you get something back in return. On the individual level, which is really the most important since people, not companies, are the ones who actually make things happen, this desire provides the fuel necessary to keep working.
This isn't being writen as clearly as I would have hoped. On pain-killers -- just had my wisdom teeth pulled.;)
But I love to study systems. Game theory and all that. I have used the Free Software Community as an example in game theory discussions. It is a great example because it demonstrates exactly what makes Free Software great and a sustainable system.
When you give something out without the receiving population being obligated to use it the satisfaction in seeing it used is that much greater. This is duplicatable. It can help large businesses make their workers work harder. It can make students work and study harder. It works. And it is also why Free Software is such a great ssytem to study and is one of the lessons it can provide others.
Thank you for pointing it out. I will try to reply later when these pain killers have warn off. I"m really having a hard time concentrating.
(i don't think you have to be cynical to think this. i am an optimist and I am particularly optimistic because I think I deal with reality and not with fantasies.)
I've been using GNU/Linux for a long time. I don't particularly love redhat in its current incarnation but I do have a place for them in my heart.
Someone needed to figure out how to make this business profitable and RPMs did add something to the game. I never recommend Redhat now (I actually have a hard time recommending anything. I use debian but I don't recommend that to new users unless they are tech-savvy and serious. Have RPM distros gotten better? I couldn't stand the package management in the past. Is it barable now?) I do still have some respect for their place in history, however.
I really hope you don't check to see whether he does it. That would be too wierd and I would have to assume that you had some really serious problems of your own.
I'm not going to remember the name right now but I spoke to a writer at a conference recently -- the device just had a tiny lcd attached to a keyboard. she plugged it into the usb port on one of the public desktops there and uploaded the text to wordpad. it was pretty cool. she said she got it because she didn't have the money for a laptop so it can't be that expensive.
here's one i found quickly on google. http://www.calcuscribe.com/missing.html
Meaning that they understand just how much water is actually necessary for life, etc.
And what would bring about such a shock? The world's population is going to increase 50 percent over the next 50 years. Water polution is only going up and water levels only going down. Look at the Caspian Sea. Happening with a lot of fresh water too. Saw a good example in Slovakia.
There is no big thing that is going to happen that would make them experience such a shock. Only eventually our society will realize that they are living in a manner that is not sustainable. Then the water rations will happen, etc. I would rather have my kids not have to go, "what! I can't run the water forever while i brush my teeth???" they'll think, "huh? don't you always brush your teeth out of a cup of water?" or maybe it will be even better and they'll have learned these types of lessons so they will always have as much water as is possible to have because they use what they have efficiently.
there are a lot of resource wars around the world. israel has trouble with water. a lot of africa has conflicts over water control. nothing new is going to happen -- it's already happening.
You are 100 percent right. It does indeed save them money. Same reason your fresh lemonade is 50+% ice -- you're only having to give out half the lemonade. I've even found places that won't let you get it without ice!:)
I have spent a lot of time in Turkmenistan which is almost entirely desert, though. And the Chinese South, which is similar to what you describe -- though without the state bug. And two years in Guatemala.
So I can appreciate a cool drink, just not a COLD one. Ice just gives me a headache.
I think the idea is that with the lowered cost of technology independent movies will be able to gain a greater foothold. This will continue to be true.
The nature of free markets (truly free markets) is that people will do what is possible. Once indy movies are possible at a reasonable quality (something that is subjective) they will find ways to be distribued. As technology for distribution increases (high speed web access, for instance) you will see interesting ways to distribute them.
In a truly free market the profit margin is always very thin -- which is why many don't like the idea of a truly free market...
You're right -- a conglomeration wasn't necessary.
At most periods in modern U.S. history the corperation has been more powerful, not less. Before unions? Before the need for public oversight in publicly traded companies?
This is because we're moving to something where the consumer has more say. Whether or not that is good, that's where we're going.
It is the nature of corperations to try to wrestle for as much control as they can keep. Some will do it well and keep it, some will do it too much and fail. The best ones will always be on their toes changing with the market (which, btw, is controled by the buyer -- i.e. consumers.)
We desire cold drinks because it is part of our culture. I have been around the world myself and few places enjoy as cold drinks as we do -- hot or cold. Hell, I just came back from two years in Turkmenistan and they don't put ice in their drinks.
I am a white American but was raised in China. I can't stand having ice in my drink. It is because I was raised in a culture that thinks that cold drinks mess up your system. And I genuinely feel less refreshed when I have half a cup of ice in my drink.
As for protecting a foreign citizen -- we have hundreds in our country that we protect from other countries. Hundreds and hundreds. Likely thousands. We protect them because we think they will be treated inhumanely or because we think that what they did wasn't worth the punishment we suspect they will get. That's a common practice.
As for putting him in a neutral country -- a reason I can see is that they don't want to look like they are happily giving up fellow Muslims that they know will be humiliated (and make their country look bad to the rest of the Muslim world.)
Thank you! That is indeed what happened. I'm not a big fan of the Taliban but they did indeed say what both these posts claim -- extradite him to a neutral country and evidence.
I would have liked to see someone take over America when they were brutalizing the Japanese Americans. Or while there was slavery or state supported racism.
The point is that every country has done bad things. And "bad" is relative. It is also an opinion. If we are going to take over every country that we think is doing something evil then what's the difference in what bin Laden is doing?
Also think -- we would have screamed bloody murder if Clinton had sent us into a war in Afghanistan. (By the way -- I have spent 6 months of the past two years in Turkmenistan which borders Afghanistan.) Some argue he did ALL he could with the Monica scandal going on. Everyone screamed "look at him! trying to divert our attention." if he had sent us into war?...
That is why we have things like the ICC -- which we don't support. True they are not the most efficient things, but we need to create a global system to change such things. For instance, going into Sudan and stopping what's happening. Just as we should have gone into Rwanda.
We need a new system that will work in the future. This won't. We don't have the capacity to take on the world or track and catch all bad people. I'm not saying I have all the answers, but I know we're asking the wrong question -- how do we make a sustainable system of world security?
We had military action against several of those. The downing of the black hawks was during a attack.
Remember -- Clinton bombed Afghanistan several times. He's been just as effective at getting bin-laden as bush has.
These aren't states. You can't just get them to submit. They can come up with new leaders immediately. Time to rewrite our political theories and come up with sustainable policies. Just bombing them doesn't work.
I don't agree with the statement "bush or kerry doesn't matter."
I have just spent about 6 months on and off over the past two years in the greater middle east. I have also traveled to a few countries elsewhere (China, some Europe, etc.) The feeling I get is that there is a real population of people who are very angry at america for what it is doing presently but still distinguishes between what the government is doing and what the american people feel. I have heard many tell me, "I don't hate you. you're just a person. I hate your government. I hate bush. I hate what he is doing." Then they'll elaborate.
I have a feeling that the reelection of Bush would thin the line between our government and our people. It would demonstrate that we approve of what he is doing and then these people, let's call them the world's swing voters, will swing the wrong way. At the very least it would allow the persuaders to say, "see! the american people are the same as Bush!"
I think that a vote for Kerry, however, would demonstrate that the American people are in fact different than the government and that the people keep it in check. Of course there will be examples a-plenty as to why we are "evil," but I really think that a lot of the people I have met who have made comments like this are waiting to see if indeed we are one in the same. And they think this election will be the test.
If only I had done a little more research and realized that the "ibm 802.11b/g" is really an intel 2200bg and that it is only in the VERY most basic level of "working" (linux can now recognize it...)
but the battery life is great. a solid 7 hours with low LCD. of course getting suspend and cpudyn working properly was a bit of a pain.
I am still sort of disappointed with GNU/Linux sound. (Saying GNU/Linux to show I'm not a penguin-hating man. Just trying to tell the truth.)
ALSA was supposed to fix everything. Having two cards and switching between them easily. Configuring new hardware easily. It's easier than it was with regular OSS, but it isn't super simple. Or maybe it's just my config (debian unstable.)
Anyone else have complains/solutions/great tools that I am stupid not to have?
That's a pretty shallow reading. It is also assuming that the original post meant that we simply give money to people so they will like us. That's not how it works.
You want to make countries love you? Have Universities in other countries, which are entirely independent, be funded by us. And make sure that is well known. Giving money to governments does do much. With today's technology individuals have more power than ever. You have to make it so the vast majority of the _regular_ people think positively of you. If that means giving 100 million to arab nations to build mosques that are run by whoever is in the local area (as opposed to insisting that they adhere to what we consider "okay" islam), then you get some good PR.
I have to go do some work so I'll just make a long story short. Make it seem as if we're actually improving the lives of a tremendous amount of people and you'll have less hatred towards us. And since people are generally reflections of their environments, you'll have fewer people willing to go all out to hurt us.
You can't kill them all. I promise you that. This isn't the Cold War where it's a state that we're attacking. You can have killed every terrorist leader in the world and you'll have a new generation immediately. After all, I can just say, "hey, fuck it," and find the next american i see and kill them. you can't possibly forsee that.
I actually like their interface. I hope they GPL it so I can use it on my own site.
I was very impressed. Simple, clean. happy.
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i would like to know, honestly, whether you came up with that sig yourself. or, if you didn't, where you got it. quite original. congrats on it if it is yours. congrats on finding it if it isn't.
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Interesting theory. I never thought of it this way.
;)
I _really_ agree with your statement that the greatest high for us is to see that our software is used by others. I don't have much released but whenever I do get feedback I feel great. It's not just programmers -- artists, musicians, authors. All people have that desire.
I actually think that your representation is probably a better way to understand the success of Free Software. Altruism, in its purest sense, doesn't really work in reality. But it's not just giving away software -- you get something back in return. On the individual level, which is really the most important since people, not companies, are the ones who actually make things happen, this desire provides the fuel necessary to keep working.
This isn't being writen as clearly as I would have hoped. On pain-killers -- just had my wisdom teeth pulled.
But I love to study systems. Game theory and all that. I have used the Free Software Community as an example in game theory discussions. It is a great example because it demonstrates exactly what makes Free Software great and a sustainable system.
When you give something out without the receiving population being obligated to use it the satisfaction in seeing it used is that much greater. This is duplicatable. It can help large businesses make their workers work harder. It can make students work and study harder. It works. And it is also why Free Software is such a great ssytem to study and is one of the lessons it can provide others.
Thank you for pointing it out. I will try to reply later when these pain killers have warn off. I"m really having a hard time concentrating.
(i don't think you have to be cynical to think this. i am an optimist and I am particularly optimistic because I think I deal with reality and not with fantasies.)
I've been using GNU/Linux for a long time. I don't particularly love redhat in its current incarnation but I do have a place for them in my heart.
Someone needed to figure out how to make this business profitable and RPMs did add something to the game. I never recommend Redhat now (I actually have a hard time recommending anything. I use debian but I don't recommend that to new users unless they are tech-savvy and serious. Have RPM distros gotten better? I couldn't stand the package management in the past. Is it barable now?) I do still have some respect for their place in history, however.
Much obliged. I'll be watching
I really hope you don't check to see whether he does it. That would be too wierd and I would have to assume that you had some really serious problems of your own.
http://www2.alphasmart.com/ -- i think this is the one the writer had. hope it helps!
I'm not going to remember the name right now but I spoke to a writer at a conference recently -- the device just had a tiny lcd attached to a keyboard. she plugged it into the usb port on one of the public desktops there and uploaded the text to wordpad. it was pretty cool. she said she got it because she didn't have the money for a laptop so it can't be that expensive.
here's one i found quickly on google. http://www.calcuscribe.com/missing.html
To the standard 1/20th of what we live.
Meaning that they understand just how much water is actually necessary for life, etc.
And what would bring about such a shock? The world's population is going to increase 50 percent over the next 50 years. Water polution is only going up and water levels only going down. Look at the Caspian Sea. Happening with a lot of fresh water too. Saw a good example in Slovakia.
There is no big thing that is going to happen that would make them experience such a shock. Only eventually our society will realize that they are living in a manner that is not sustainable. Then the water rations will happen, etc. I would rather have my kids not have to go, "what! I can't run the water forever while i brush my teeth???" they'll think, "huh? don't you always brush your teeth out of a cup of water?" or maybe it will be even better and they'll have learned these types of lessons so they will always have as much water as is possible to have because they use what they have efficiently.
there are a lot of resource wars around the world. israel has trouble with water. a lot of africa has conflicts over water control. nothing new is going to happen -- it's already happening.
You are 100 percent right. It does indeed save them money. Same reason your fresh lemonade is 50+% ice -- you're only having to give out half the lemonade. I've even found places that won't let you get it without ice! :)
The sad thing is that the whole world couldn't live as we do.
I did the math once. We use something like 20x more resources annually then the average joe can sustainably.
I will raise my kids to be happy with that standard so they don't have to have such a shock when we can no longer live as luxuriously.
:)
I have spent a lot of time in Turkmenistan which is almost entirely desert, though. And the Chinese South, which is similar to what you describe -- though without the state bug. And two years in Guatemala.
So I can appreciate a cool drink, just not a COLD one. Ice just gives me a headache.
Didn't know that. Makes sense. Thanks for the information.
I think the idea is that with the lowered cost of technology independent movies will be able to gain a greater foothold. This will continue to be true.
The nature of free markets (truly free markets) is that people will do what is possible. Once indy movies are possible at a reasonable quality (something that is subjective) they will find ways to be distribued. As technology for distribution increases (high speed web access, for instance) you will see interesting ways to distribute them.
In a truly free market the profit margin is always very thin -- which is why many don't like the idea of a truly free market...
You're right -- a conglomeration wasn't necessary.
At most periods in modern U.S. history the corperation has been more powerful, not less. Before unions? Before the need for public oversight in publicly traded companies?
This is because we're moving to something where the consumer has more say. Whether or not that is good, that's where we're going.
It is the nature of corperations to try to wrestle for as much control as they can keep. Some will do it well and keep it, some will do it too much and fail. The best ones will always be on their toes changing with the market (which, btw, is controled by the buyer -- i.e. consumers.)
No - I think you're right.
We desire cold drinks because it is part of our culture. I have been around the world myself and few places enjoy as cold drinks as we do -- hot or cold. Hell, I just came back from two years in Turkmenistan and they don't put ice in their drinks.
I am a white American but was raised in China. I can't stand having ice in my drink. It is because I was raised in a culture that thinks that cold drinks mess up your system. And I genuinely feel less refreshed when I have half a cup of ice in my drink.
The last point is probably true.
As for protecting a foreign citizen -- we have hundreds in our country that we protect from other countries. Hundreds and hundreds. Likely thousands. We protect them because we think they will be treated inhumanely or because we think that what they did wasn't worth the punishment we suspect they will get. That's a common practice.
As for putting him in a neutral country -- a reason I can see is that they don't want to look like they are happily giving up fellow Muslims that they know will be humiliated (and make their country look bad to the rest of the Muslim world.)
Just my thoughts.
Thank you! That is indeed what happened. I'm not a big fan of the Taliban but they did indeed say what both these posts claim -- extradite him to a neutral country and evidence.
Then you will have to hate me.
I would have liked to see someone take over America when they were brutalizing the Japanese Americans. Or while there was slavery or state supported racism.
The point is that every country has done bad things. And "bad" is relative. It is also an opinion. If we are going to take over every country that we think is doing something evil then what's the difference in what bin Laden is doing?
Also think -- we would have screamed bloody murder if Clinton had sent us into a war in Afghanistan. (By the way -- I have spent 6 months of the past two years in Turkmenistan which borders Afghanistan.) Some argue he did ALL he could with the Monica scandal going on. Everyone screamed "look at him! trying to divert our attention." if he had sent us into war?...
That is why we have things like the ICC -- which we don't support. True they are not the most efficient things, but we need to create a global system to change such things. For instance, going into Sudan and stopping what's happening. Just as we should have gone into Rwanda.
We need a new system that will work in the future. This won't. We don't have the capacity to take on the world or track and catch all bad people. I'm not saying I have all the answers, but I know we're asking the wrong question -- how do we make a sustainable system of world security?
I know what you mean. I'm not a big fan of either. I'm less of a fan of Bush. I think the difference is in the details.
But it doesn't matter. Bush could just hop into a different body and it would be okay. The point is that someone else is elected.
Though I wonder whether Kerry would have actually done the same things if he had been president.
We had military action against several of those. The downing of the black hawks was during a attack.
Remember -- Clinton bombed Afghanistan several times. He's been just as effective at getting bin-laden as bush has.
These aren't states. You can't just get them to submit. They can come up with new leaders immediately. Time to rewrite our political theories and come up with sustainable policies. Just bombing them doesn't work.
I don't agree with the statement "bush or kerry doesn't matter."
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I have just spent about 6 months on and off over the past two years in the greater middle east. I have also traveled to a few countries elsewhere (China, some Europe, etc.) The feeling I get is that there is a real population of people who are very angry at america for what it is doing presently but still distinguishes between what the government is doing and what the american people feel. I have heard many tell me, "I don't hate you. you're just a person. I hate your government. I hate bush. I hate what he is doing." Then they'll elaborate.
I have a feeling that the reelection of Bush would thin the line between our government and our people. It would demonstrate that we approve of what he is doing and then these people, let's call them the world's swing voters, will swing the wrong way. At the very least it would allow the persuaders to say, "see! the american people are the same as Bush!"
I think that a vote for Kerry, however, would demonstrate that the American people are in fact different than the government and that the people keep it in check. Of course there will be examples a-plenty as to why we are "evil," but I really think that a lot of the people I have met who have made comments like this are waiting to see if indeed we are one in the same. And they think this election will be the test.
Just my
I love my x40 (running debian testing.)
If only I had done a little more research and realized that the "ibm 802.11b/g" is really an intel 2200bg and that it is only in the VERY most basic level of "working" (linux can now recognize it...)
but the battery life is great. a solid 7 hours with low LCD. of course getting suspend and cpudyn working properly was a bit of a pain.
anyone who has a x40 have any tips?
I am still sort of disappointed with GNU/Linux sound. (Saying GNU/Linux to show I'm not a penguin-hating man. Just trying to tell the truth.)
ALSA was supposed to fix everything. Having two cards and switching between them easily. Configuring new hardware easily. It's easier than it was with regular OSS, but it isn't super simple. Or maybe it's just my config (debian unstable.)
Anyone else have complains/solutions/great tools that I am stupid not to have?
Thanks.
That's a pretty shallow reading. It is also assuming that the original post meant that we simply give money to people so they will like us. That's not how it works.
You want to make countries love you? Have Universities in other countries, which are entirely independent, be funded by us. And make sure that is well known. Giving money to governments does do much. With today's technology individuals have more power than ever. You have to make it so the vast majority of the _regular_ people think positively of you. If that means giving 100 million to arab nations to build mosques that are run by whoever is in the local area (as opposed to insisting that they adhere to what we consider "okay" islam), then you get some good PR.
I have to go do some work so I'll just make a long story short. Make it seem as if we're actually improving the lives of a tremendous amount of people and you'll have less hatred towards us. And since people are generally reflections of their environments, you'll have fewer people willing to go all out to hurt us.
You can't kill them all. I promise you that. This isn't the Cold War where it's a state that we're attacking. You can have killed every terrorist leader in the world and you'll have a new generation immediately. After all, I can just say, "hey, fuck it," and find the next american i see and kill them. you can't possibly forsee that.
the times are changing. the rules are, too.
*someone in the cone of silence*
*sees peoples mouths moving. realizes they are talking to him.
"I'm in the cone of silence, you insensitive clods!"
I actually like their interface. I hope they GPL it so I can use it on my own site.
I was very impressed. Simple, clean. happy.
i would like to know, honestly, whether you came up with that sig yourself. or, if you didn't, where you got it. quite original. congrats on it if it is yours. congrats on finding it if it isn't.