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Inside Al-Qaeda's Hard Drive
prostoalex writes "Alan Cullison covered the events in Afghanistan for Wall Street Journal in late 2001. On the day that Kabul fell Cullison was offered to buy a bunch of computers from a local al-Qaeda office. For $1100 Cullison purchased an IBM desktop and a Compaq laptop. Before giving the hard drives to CIA agents in Afghanistan, Cullison copied the contents and shares some of the electronic messages in September's Atlantic Monthly. Interesting insight on al-Qaeda's financial operations and their merger with Taliban movement. The letters include e-mail messages from Osama bin Laden himself."
Was the large collection of J-Lo pictures. Osama loves da booty.
"All your base are belong to us"
Forget the underware thing, just make sure you erase the bloody hard drive before selling your laptop off...
/* FUCK - The F-word is here so that you can grep for it */
Anything that would have been useful to CIA before wouldn't be know that all this has been made public - any financial information would be useless, since with this online, they would have taken the money out. Intel is really only useful if not everyone knows it.
How does he know this wasn't a plant? They've could placed fake plans/email/etc knowing this person would turn it over to authorities and thus throw them off the trail. To make things look even more real, you could lightly erase the data and let the CIA recover it.
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no they do not run linux.
they are terroists so they must must M$
How hard do authorities actually go to get data off of hard drives? Could they really find/prove anything if the drive was zeroed, redhat installed, and the touch command used to change the date on all the files? Would they actually look at the disk bit for bit using an electron microscope? Would they check areas of the disk that the disk controller has assigned elsewhere?
So... this is like Danni's Hard Drive, but with burqas? yes?
al-linux? or what?
Reading some of the letters, I kinda feel that the tone and language used seems very similar to those nigerian scam e-mails.
That's either incredibly crazy, or scary, or both.
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
The funny thing is the notes on the computer indicate they never even thought of using chemical weapons because they thought it would be too complicated. It wasn't until the American government began making public statements about how easy it would be for certain rouge nations to make simple but deadly chemical weapons, like mustard gas, they they started working on these projects!
The 14 gigs of goat pr0n.
If that is the case, what about this old tidbit:
vulnerabilities are only exploited after Microsoft releases patches.
So we drew their attention to the fact that bio and chem weapons can be produced simply with easily available materials.
If that is correct that wmds are that easy to build, we should acknowledge that and adapt to the threat.
Simply put, if we did keep quiet the terrorists would eventually figure it out anyways. Security through obscurity doesnt work. open source anti terrorism.
al-linux. Hahaha. Fucking hillarious.
- This story is hardly believeable and should be in "The National Enquirer" rather than on
/.
- Who cares about some stupid, under-developed worthless whole-in-the-ground piece of sand in the first place?
- Yes, our troops are over there killing their people because their people killed our people. So, why do we kill the people who kill people to show the world that killing people is wrong?
- Is slashdot really this desperate for news that they will grasp at straws?
Maybe we would be better off visiting other sites and ignoring this slashdot trash.Oh, and feel free to mod this any way you wish, because I don't give a rat's ass what you think about my posts. Your opinion is no more important to than a grain of sand. And, the same goes for all you people who are going to reply to this, you're unimportant too, so, replay away!.
From: Osama Bin Laden
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:53 PM
Subject: TRANSFER
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am fine today and how are you? I hope this letter will find you in the best of health. I am Osama Bin Laden, the Chairman of the "Down with the West Committee", of "Al Qaeda (AQ)", a subsidiary of the Saudi Arabian sanctioned Groups (SASG).
Al Qaeda (AQ) was set up by the late Head of State, General Sani Abacha who died on 18th June 1998, to manage the excess revenue accruing from the sales of Opium and its allied products as a domestic increase in the piate products to develop the communities in the Afghani poppy producing areas. The estimated annual revenue for 1999 was $45 Billion US Dollars Ref. FMF A26 Unit 3B Paragraph "D" of the Auditor General of the Muslim Republic of Afghanistan Report of Nov. 1999 on estimated revenue.
I am the Chairman of the Contract Award Committee, and my committee is solely responsible for awaiting and paying of contracts on behalf of the Talibani Government. My Committee Awarded Contracts to foreign contractors for Irrigation and Ecological Matters in the poppy producing areas of Afghanistan. We overshot the contract sum by US$25,000,000.00. We have paid the contractors and withholding the balance of US$25,000, 000.00. But, because of the existence of some of the domestic laws forbidding civil servants in Afghanistan from opening, operating and maintaining foreign accounts, we do not have the expertise to transfer this balance of fund to a foreign account.
However, this balance of US$25,000, 000.00 has been secured in form of Credit/Payment to a foreign contractor, hence we wish to transfer into your bank account as the beneficiary of the fund. We have also arrived at a conclusion that you will be given 20% of the total sum transferred as our foreign partner, while 5% will be reserved for incidental expenses that both parties will incur in the course of actualizing this transaction, and the balance of 75% will be kept for the committee members.
If you know that you will be capable of helping us actualize this transaction, you should send to me immediately the details of your bank particulars or open a new bank account where we can transfer the money US$25,000, 000.00, which you will be holding in trust for us until we come to your country for our share. Your nature of business does not matter in this transaction. The required details includes your company's name, address, your private personal telephone/fax numbers, your full name and address, including your complete bank details where the transferred fund will be routed by the Apex Bank.
Note that this transaction is expected to be actualized within 21 working days from the day the required details are forwarded to the Federal Ministry of Finance who will approve the needed foreign exchange control allocation for the release of this money to your account. Please, treat this as top secret. You should contact me urgently.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Yours faithfully,
Osama Bin Laden.
Human being (n.): A genetically human, genetically distinct, functioning organism.
To: The American People
From: Osama bin Laden
Folder: Publications
Date: October 3, 2001
So what exatly is the email address for "The American People?" I mean, if the found email had that as the address book name, what was the address listed?
Seriously, I think this could very well be a well executed plant. Be assured that the Office of Special Plans is still hard at work.
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From: Osama bin Laden <osama@taliban.af>
;-)
To: Scott Lockwood <vlad@Geekizoid.com>
Subject: Gay Buttsex
Thanks for teaching me how to be a real man, Scott. You're the best!
but do the terrorists eat hot grits in those training camps?
There is always tracking irregularity to ensure that the traces of previous write cycles aren't completely lost. Reading a hard drive while subtracting the top level bit pattern from the signal will allow the previous signal to be retrieved, and this process can go several levels deep. An electron microscope is unnecessary and won't work (you are thinking of the visible bits on CDs, I guess.) This is why, if you really want to erase a hard drive, the best approach is to take the disks out and heat them to destruction or whack them with a mallet. You can overwrite many times with an alternating bit pattern, of course, but physical destruction is the fastest and surest way.
Panurge has posted for the last time. Thanks for the positive moderations.
hELLO,
This may come as a surprise to you, since we have never done business before. I am the son of a wealthy Saudi family who due to an invading army, need help accessing OVER 40 BILLION DOLLARS US.
For your kind assistance in helping me recover my families money, I am wiling to off4er you %10 of the total funds. Doens' t that sound nice? PleaSe respond as soon as possable with a phone number and a email address that we can correspond with to get you your money. To begin this process, I will only require a sum of $4000 to release my funds from the Government of Afganistan.
Best wishes!
Osama bin Laden Mobutu
It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men. -Frederick Douglass
I would have thought that they, being so organised and all, would have used really strong encryption on their computers. Also, would they not see any conflict of interests in using US company computers and US software?
Has Al-Qaeda standardized IT?
/. whiz recommend? Consider constant transport/setup & sand
;-)
Standard issue desktops (IBM?)and laptops (Compaq... explains a lot)?
What would a
Thanks,
Al
Some of this gives me the creeps knowing that I was living in Ottawa at the time. This underscores why the US embassy there resembles a fortress. Unfortunately, if they had decided to strike there, it would probably be the only thing left standing in a 2 block radius. Maybe the Israelis would be interesting in moving into the Diefenbunker. (The WW3 nuclear bomb shelter built just out of town by a former PM, since abanoned by the canadian gov't and turned into a museum)
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To: Real name unknown
From: Unknown
Folder: Hamza
Date: August 23, 2001
Special file for our brother Abu Bakr al-Albani ["the Albanian"] on the nature of his mission.
First, the mission: Gather information on:
1. Information on American soldiers who frequent nightclubs in the America-Canada border areas
2. The Israeli embassy, consulate, and cultural center in Canada
3. If it is possible to enter America and gather information on American soldier checkpoints, or on the American army in the border areas inside America
4. Information on the possibility of obtaining explosive devices inside Canada
I have given to our brother $1,500 for travel expenses in Canada and America, and also the cost of the ticket for the trip back to us after four months, God willing.
My rights don't need management.
Wow! At first I thought I might have been reading a game plan that the liberal left uses to combat the just and rightous war being waged against terrorism, but it was just an email from Bin Laden suggesting a tactic they use to fight the US.
--Conduct a media campaign to fight the enemy's publicity. The campaign should focus on the following important points:
a) Attempt to cause a rift between the American people and their government, by demonstrating the following to the Americans:
--That the U.S. government will lead them into further losses of money and lives.
--That the government is sacrificing the people to serve the interests of the rich, particularly the Jews.
--That the government is leading them to the war front to protect Israel and its security.
--America should withdraw from the current battle between Muslims and Jews.
This plan aims to create pressure from the American people on their government to stop its campaign against Afghanistan, on the grounds that the campaign will cause major losses to the American people.
--Imply that the campaign against Afghanistan will be responded to with revenge blows against America.
Karma means nothing to me, so suck it...
For instance, take this extract from a letter written by Ramzi bin al-Shibh (written after the Afghan invasion, but before the Iraqi invasion):
Because of Saddam and the Baath Party, America punished a whole population. Thus its bombs and its embargo killed millions of Iraqi Muslims. And because of Osama bin Laden, America surrounded Afghans and bombed them, causing the death of tens of thousands of Muslims ... God said to assault whoever assaults you, in a like manner ... In killing Americans who are ordinarily off limits, Muslims should not exceed four million non-combatants, or render more than ten million of them homeless. We should avoid this, to make sure the penalty [that we are inflicting] is no more than reciprocal. God knows what is best.
And then there is this, written by Bin Laden himself:
Our current battle is against the Jews. Our faith tells us we shall defeat them, God willing. However, Muslims find that the Americans stand as a protective shield and strong supporter, both financially and morally. The desert storm that blew over New York and Washington should, in our view, have blown over Tel Aviv. The American position obliged Muslims to force the Americans out of the arena first to enable them to focus on their Jewish enemy. Why are the Americans fighting a battle on behalf of the Jews? Why do they sacrifice their sons and interests for them?
Now, of course there is no denying that the mindset behind all this is evil. But it is rational in its twisted way. There are specific and clear reasons for why these people commit acts of terrorism. By absolutely refusing to face these reasons, America and its allies risks alienating every single militant Muslim in the world, little by little. Why are the real reasons behind terrorism so rarely discussed?
I hear there's rumors on the Slashdots
Both Bush and OBL are brothers in destruction. Satan is playing both of them against each other and nothing good will become of it. In fact the destruction of the world is the ultimate end result. All people who call themselves Christian, Musulm, or whatever remember that you too are probably being corrupted by Satan if you follow either of these men.
Does Bin Laden and the gang use Windows or Linux?
The government which is strong enough to protect you from everything is strong enough to take everything from you.
>> giving the hard drives to CIA agents in Afghanistan
Yeah, but what happened to the Post-It Notes stuck around the monitors? I'll bet that's where all the *really* interesting information is!
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Sweet, I can't wait to vote for Kerry! I can't think of two things that will help this country more. This is not sarcasm, I'm completely serious. The military gets way too much of our money (hundreds of billions) imagine if just a fraction of that went to the schools. Also consider how nice it would be to have universal health care just by raising the taxes.
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I think im going to pass out because the stench of bull shit has just reached epic proportions. The question is, where did it start? did al-qaeda write it as a plant or did the cullison write it because he was bored on the plane home? or did someone think, "hmm how can i sell all these old PCs, i know, ill stick some crap on them and say they were al-qaedas!" the only other explanation is that its true and al-qaeda suffer just as much from IBM death stars (didn't know the 40GB model was around in '98 but hey) and random windows corruption as much as you or me! And also they have a james bond-esque style of keeping all their secrets ready for discovery.
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Probably Windows to run FlightSim.
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
Terrorists kill 4000 in order to launch a war that they can feed off. If Western civil society had simply condemned the act, given the Taliban 30 days to deliver the criminals and been very careful to not kill a single innocent civilian, Al Quaeda would have been ostracised by their own support base. By launching two wars against "terror", Western civil society has guaranteed Al Quaeda a place in history and guaranteed a generation or two of on-going fighting that will cause the deaths of many, many more people.
/me expects to be burnt for saying this but it must be said.
I think every country faced with local terrorists has learnt through bitter experience that force does not solve this kind of problem. Dialogue and negotiation are always, finally, the only way to end the cycle of violence.
This lesson has been learnt by the British in Northern Ireland, by the Spanish in the Basque Country, by the French in Sardinia, the Sri Lankans... it does not matter how "evil" the men with guns are. Nothing short of genocide - and even that is not certain - will stop more embittered and manipulated youths growing up to fill the gaps left by arrest, detention, assassination.
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If they had been using Linux, we'd have seen a new Microsoft ad campaign called, "Who's Using Linux?"
The commercials would've been 30-second musical montages of Osama and his terrorist buddies, closing with some tagline about using Linux is unpatriotic (or is it unPATRIOTic?)
While there may be some truth the the story of how Cullison acquired these computers, I highly doubt the CIA would simply let him publish the information the HDs contained.
They have special rooms in Cuba for people who disseminate this kind of material.
Which means that the stuff published was vetted (and probably carefully rewritten) by the CIA. To what end, I don't know. But rest assured, there is nothing in the article that you (or the bad guys) are not meant to see.
I recall news stories from major news sources claiming that information on the recent terrorist threats against financial services and other targets and the "orange alert" came from the capture of an Al Queda "computer expert" and his laptop. Is this the same terrorist and the same laptop? Or do the stories corroborate each other?
But in the story I read, they not only got his laptop, it was claimed that they got his co-operation, i.e., he sent emails at the request of his captors, to many of his Al Queda contacts asking them questions, such as, "Are you still at your old address?", etc. There were comments to the effect, "Is it really this easy to rollover Arab terrorists?".
This is alleged to have led to many further arrests. I read this story a few days ago and I have forgotten the name of the terrorist involved.
If you really believe that this is all a fake, I suggest that you notify the CIA and Homeland Security immediately!
Dear edalytical,
Thank you. Because of ultra-liberal Americans who wish our nation would be a carbon-copy of Canada, the John Kerry camp expects the biggest landslide loss since 1972.
Your nation is prouder today.
Sincerely,
George W. Bush
President
It's an actual 419 e-mail, a.k.a. "The Tale of The Painted Breast".
-- "I'm not a religious man, but if you're up there, save me Superman..."
After reading this article, it looks like Osama and his gang want GWBush to get re-elected. I mean, they're obviously his best election tactic. It looks like 100% of terrorists agree, anyone as long as it's Bush!
Bush couldn't ask for better re-election propaganda even if he had planted it himself. *cough*
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Down with the infidel BSD license
Our JPL is vastly superior!
--In the land of the Euphausiids, Tux is king.
-- "I'm not a religious man, but if you're up there, save me Superman..."
The UN imposes all sorts of penalties on all those who contradict its religion. It issues documents and statements that openly contradict Islamic belief, such as the International Declaration for Human Rights, considering all religions are equal, and considering that the destruction of the statues constitutes a crime ...
It's interesting that I had a lively debate during lunch a few days back with a colleague about religions and what they mean in the modern world. Mind you, a healthy unbiased debate, not an argument.
I happened to mention that I think that all religions are equal, atleast at a higher level (as in if you ignore the minor details like forms of worship, etc) and that I think that they were created with a common goal of imposing "morality" and the "good" way of life back when law and order were difficult to maintain. The fear of God was a common deterrant to "bad" or "immoral" behavior.
I agree that many people find this view in contrast to the traditional beliefs of religions being God's word, but I just put forth the point since this was a debate, and I wanted to hear his opinion on it.
What I found troubling was that his *main* disagreement with what I said was the former part - the part about "all religions being equal" in the long run or from a high level. He (being a fundamentalist Christian) was totally revolted by the idea that I would say that the belief that "God is One" is the same as believing in the "Trinity". I tried explaining that those are exactly the sort of differences that people look at (in addition to form of worship etc) to argue against the inferiority of other religions, when it doesn't really matter, since all of them teach us to pray and have faith, and behave in a "good" way.
Well, I didn't get through, and the next day, he presented me a book (which I found quite outrageous) published by a campus Church group explaining why "religions are different" and how "they'll all find salvation at the feet of Christ". How can you hope to write a so called unbiased book, if your conclusion is that they'll be "Saved" only if they follow Christianity?.
Anyway, the point which I had wanted to make is that there are a *surprisingly* large number of people who refuse to believe that the best service to their religion that they can probably do is to increase tolerance towards other religions rather than denounce them and try to proselytize the masses under the guise of "saving them". I've personally seen Christian, as well as Muslim missionaries and other entities offer food/clothing and money to poorer people in Africa etc so as to convert them to their religions, *all* the while preaching that they won't be saved otherwise.
So ANY religious fundamentalism is bad, not JUST Islamic fundamentalism or Christian fundamentalism, or fundamentalism under the guise of any other religion. Hey, if you want to believe strongly in something, you're free to do so, but don't try to change my thinking or impose it upon me.
Sorry for the rant.
your other comment
I think you might get moderated redundant because of your own post.
Also, I'd argue that the US Government HAS led us into further losses of money and lives in iraq, but that is another reply for another day.
True. However what the US and other countries need to do is try to keep moderates and innocents out of the fight. Also try to improve the average muslim's condition. How many recruits come from the poor condition muslims are in? Last of course the obvious is that this means a never ending war. Fanatacism is like that.
...isn't a good idea. Even in this "special" case.
i once calculated that it'd need 4% of U.S annual military budget to get food, shelter, education and health care to everyone in this world.
estimates for the money needed were from UN.
The president of the USA is a self-professed born-again Christian. This explains everything!
The Bible says "Palestine is the Land of the Jews!"!
That pretty much defines American foreign policy in the Middle East, end of discussion!!!
P.S.
And I won't even begin to mention the Christian myths of the "end times" and what has to happen to the world, in general, and the Middle East, in particular, before these "end times" can happen!
And this guy has his thumb on the nuclear button (even though he can't pronounce nukeler(sic))!!!
Any mail to Darl in the hard drive ?
Liar, you're not a Muslim. Why?
1) Allah is spelled with two l's.
2) Jihad was never against "western society"; against who? I will let you answer.
P.S. Yes, I am a muslim and a firm believer in God, alwahidul ahad.
one of the arguments that i've read (online, can't give you a source because it was a while ago,) against linux/OSS is that it gives "Bad People" access to very good encryption and communication software, which in turn gives the US intelligence community a headache when trying to decypher it. I would be surprised if they weren't using something like PGP/GPG, but it's more likely that they're running it on a Windows platform.
FreeBSD for the impatient.
Nothing in this story provides sufficient evidence that it could not be a black-bag job.
Treat this story as tabloid noise, at best. The forensics are not there to provide sufficient evidence that this wasn't a setup.
Remember: there was no such thing as "Al-Q'aeda" before Rumsfeld and co. decided they needed a sufficient soundbite to use instead of "The Enemy"...
Depends. Whom would you ask? Darl McBride?
wtf
FROM: Ali '1st Thief" Baba
TO : Osama 'Yo Mama' bin Laden
Subject: Training
Oh! Supreme one! We are in the midst of training our latest round of recruits to service in the holy Jihad against the Infidels! We are proud to announce that shortly we shall have the capacity to completely undermine the ability of the Infidel Armies to wage war effectively:
1) It has come to our attention that many of the Infidels train for war electronically, using common-off-the-shelf games that we can obtain in various Indonesian markets for less than $1 per computer. These games are extremely popular within the Infidel youth community. "Operation Wall-Hack" is my proposal to train our operatives to use techniques frowned up by their youth community, although they are the same to create these tools, to produce a formidable, unbeatable force of Counter Strike experts. God willing, we will demoralize the youth of the Infidels, and they shall throw themselves in front of their parent's Four Wheeled Drive vehicles. Praise Allah!
2) Our operatives have discovered that Email is the #1 method of communication within the Infidel community. Our operatives have discovered on a secret, underground website called "Slashdot" that "Spam" is a growing problem that cripples the Infidel's ability to successfully utilize this medium. Through divine inspiration from Allah, I have come up with "Operation SPAM", where we will open up full time spam mailing facilities in the countries that still welcome us and we will flood the mail servers of the world with useless junk! Infidel Economies will grind to a standstill! Office workers will gnash their teeth, System Administrators will pull their hair from the roots and staple their eyes shut from the flood of junk email! I propose that we invest $499 for a server from the Infidel company Dell to begin investigating this immediately.
3. The Infidels have concocted a curious form of support for their technology. They utilize large numbers of people to man telephone stations that attempt to answer technical questions that customers of these technology companies may have in the repair, maintainence, and usage of their machines. I propose "Operation OutSource" to your holiness, to aid in our fight against the Infidels! We shall open up telephone support centers in our friendly nations and underbid the Indians to gain the business of giant Infidel corporations and provide substandard support to the Infidel industry! The Infidel productivity levels will grind to nothing! And they will PAY us for the privilege! If you are concerned that our lack of technology infrastructure and education will prevent us from providing adequate levels of support for these companies, do not fear. The current support providers don't know anything about computers, either! The hapless users will throw themselves off of their Infidel skyscrapers in madness, Allah Willing! Praise Allah!
4) We have learned a new codespeak for our communications. It is called "L33t Sp34k" and is considered to be one of the strongest encryption codes ever produced when combined with GNUPG (I am sorry to hear of your confusion regarding this product, did you read the man pages?). I highly recommend that we teach this method to all of our agents in the field.
As you can see, your Supremacy, we have the potential to completely revolutionize the way "The War" is fought. Allah willing, we shall overcome the Infidels and regain control of Palestine! Praise Allah!
-Ali Baba
If you were me, you'd be good lookin'. - six string samurai
Why are the real reasons behind terrorism so rarely discussed?
The producers of prollfeed dont want it discussed.
That second excerpt there seems almost exactly like the descriptions Bush gives of the terrorists. They're crazed religious nutjobs with an irrational hatred of Jews and anyone who associates with or befriends Jews. Sure, it's a specific and clear reason, but it's still wacko bullshit.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
To each his own.
Yeah, that'd be cool. Getting SCO to sue al-Qaeda for copyright infringement.
:-)
The enemy of my enemy turns out to be another of my enemies.
In other news: The SCO Group (SCOX) field suit against Al Qadea for their use of unlicensed SCO code in their modified Linux Distro Qaedux.
Imagine Darl McBride whining in Washington DC to get Patriots to protect his HQ against "those evil Linux/Qaedux using terrorists."
cpghost at Cordula's Web.
"This was the man who that December would take $1,100 from me in exchange for two of al-Qaeda's most valuable computers--a 40-gigabyte IBM desktop and a Compaq laptop. He had stolen them from al-Qaeda's central office in Kabul on November 12, the night before the city fell to the Northern Alliance. He wanted the money, he said, so that he could travel to the United States and meet some American girls." :D
The dude has his priorities straight, that's for sure.
Point noted. However all that really means is that only hard-encryted data should touch a virgin drive.
And yes, even such drives should go through the multi-erasure cycle if possible.
Remember the goal isn't to have a fool-proof method of foiling an enemy. But to make their live as difficult as possible.
Security isn't about fool-proof, but eliminating the amatures, and making the information recovered by the experts, irrelevent (9/11 attack. Information recovered 9/12).
The hijackers also left no paper trail. In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper - either here in the U.S. or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere - that mentioned any aspect of the September 11th plot. The hijackers had no computers, no laptops, no storage media of any kind. They used hundreds of different pay phones and cell phones, often with prepaid calling cards that are extremely difficult to trace. And they made sure that all the money sent to them to fund their attacks was wired in small amounts to avoid detection.
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Source: http://www2.fbi.gov/pressrel/speeches/speech04190
Just one word! ----- Microwave ----- Place it in there, turn it on, wait a minute, and watch out! ( "cause it can damage the micorwave oven )
The lesson on what type of undergarments to wear probably applies to most readers here too...
'Thats they exact same thing a banana wrench monkey.'
Only a paranoid nutcase would put forth the ideas you've posted.
If you were correct, we would be able to store nearly an infinite amount of data on any size medium. If that were possible, it would be available. But there is no such software in the marketplace.
Perhaps you believe the CIA/FBI/NSA has secretly taken control of the minds of persons writing such software?-))
What a goofball!
How can one expect people to be tolerant when the UN itself forces them to contradict themselves?
Some religions, in fact, openly declare that their god is the only god. Some might not agree, saying that this "one and only god" belief is a form of intolerance.
However, when an external agent (the UN) tries to force down their throats the concept that "all religions are equal", in open and clear confrontation to their own beliefs, this so-called tolerance is long gone!
This is false tolerance: when all religions are considered "equal", this "tolerance" becomes a form of "intolerance" against those who do not think the same.
I haven't RTF UN Human Rights Declaration myself, but if there is such provision, it should be rewritten: people should have a right to practice their own religions, but not because "all religions are equal" - they're different. And we should respect the fact that they are.
WAR IS PEACE exerpt from 1984 by George Orwell
The primary aim of modern warfare (in accordance with the principles of doublethink, this aim is simultaneously recognized and not recognized by the directing brains of the Inner Party) is to use up the products of the machine without raising the general standard of living. Ever since the end of the nineteenth century, the problem of what to do with the surplus of consumption goods has been latent in industrial society. At present, when few human beings even have enough to eat, this problem is obviously not urgent, and it might not have become so, even if no artificial processes of destruction had been at work. The world of today is a bare, hungry, dilapidated place compared with the world that existed before 1914, and still more so if compared with the imaginary future to which the people of that period looked forward. In the early twentieth century, the vision of a future society unbelievably rich, leisured, orderly, and efficient -- a glittering antiseptic world of glass and steel and snow-white concrete -- was part of the consciousness of nearly every literate person. Science and technology were developing at a prodigious speed, and it seemed natural to assume that they would go on developing. This failed to happen, partly because of the impoverishment caused by a long series of wars and revolutions, partly because scientific and technical progress depended on the empirical habit of thought, which could not survive in a strictly regimented society. As a whole the world is more primitive today than it was fifty years ago. Certain backward areas have advanced, and various devices, always in some way connected with warfare and police espionage, have been developed, but experiment and invention have largely stopped, and the ravages of the atomic war of the nineteen-fifties have never been fully repaired. Nevertheless the dangers inherent in the machine are still there. From the moment when the machine first made its appearance it was clear to all thinking people that the need for human drudgery, and therefore to a great extent for human inequality, had disappeared. If the machine were used deliberately for that end, hunger, overwork, dirt, illiteracy, and disease could be eliminated within a few generations. And in fact, without being used for any such purpose, but by a sort of automatic process -- by producing wealth which it was sometimes impossible not to distribute -- the machine did raise the living standards of the average human being very greatly over a period of about fifty years at the end of the nineteenth and the beginning of the twentieth centuries.
But it was also clear that an all-round increase in wealth threatened the destruction -- indeed, in some sense was the destruction -- of a hierarchical society. In a world in which everyone worked short hours, had enough to eat, lived in a house with a bathroom and a refrigerator, and possessed a motor-car or even an aeroplane, the most obvious and perhaps the most important form of inequality would already have disappeared. If it once became general, wealth would confer no distinction. It was possible, no doubt, to imagine a society in which wealth, in the sense of personal possessions and luxuries, should be evenly distributed, while power remained in the hands of a small privileged caste. But in practice such a society could not long remain stable. For if leisure and security were enjoyed by all alike, the great mass of human beings who are normally stupefied by poverty would become literate and would learn to think for themselves; and when once they had done this, they would sooner or later realize that the privileged minority had no function, and they would sweep it away. In the long run, a hierarchical society was only possible on a basis of poverty and ignorance. To return to the agricultural past, as some thinkers about the beginning of the twentieth century dreamed of doing, was not a practicable solution. It conflicted with the tendency towards mechanization which had become quasi-instinctive throughout almost the whole world, and moreover, any country which remained industrially backward was helpless in a military sense and was bound to be dominated, directly or indirectly, by its more advanced rivals.
...in Afghanistan..." Don't worry. It was just an interdepartmental transfer.
"Except this time, a war to end all wars is what bin Ladin actually wants."
And unlike all other wars. There will be NO winners. That includes Osama Bin Laden and his followers. Talking about cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
> Rather than invade Iraq, our resources would have been wisley spent finding a solution the real problem. About 300 miles to the west of Iraq. The terrorist threat will never cease until the middle east problem is resolved fairly to everyone involved.
I definitely agree that that should happen and that it will resolve a large part of the terrorist problem there, but settling that problem will not stop people like Osama. He has religious motives, and has no problemm attacking other muslims who don't follow his exact interpretation of Islam either. It would help a lot in removing the conditions that allow him to recruit deperate people tho.
At any rate, his claims regarding 'the fight against the jews' are quite likely more political then anything else. It helps with gaining support in that area and since desperation is extremely common among young pallestinians, it makes for easy recruitment. Israelhas been helping with that for quite a bit by trying to reduce the strength of Hamas (but well.. that is a choice between 2 evils for them)
Oh blah blah you people it's simple: They hate us cause we attacked them.
I thought it looked like "OBL" may be throwing his hat into the ring for the GOP nomination, what with the chatter aout god willing and the superiority of his religion... That's out of GWB's playbook! Yup I take this with a large grain of salt
Hey! The article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, does not mention that all religions are the same - people have a right to a religion, and that's it.
I have never read posts by more uninformed people in my life. What is the average age of the posters ? 12? Here is how you can get a life:
1. Stop watching X Files. Not everything in the world is a conspiracy theory.
2. Try actually studying a subject before you post incredibly stupid diatribes against President Bush.
3. Study the history of fundamentalist Islam before playing armchair commander. War was declared on ALL non-Islamists, not just Christians or Jews, but also Hindus, and numerous other religions.
The stupidity of Slashdot posters is simply astounding.
about "Danni's Hard Drive", the porno site where the chick is always on the Howard Stern show?
I had this image of naked Afghanis in veils...
Who did what now?
Not sure if 40GB's were around in '98. If they were, they would certainly be hard to find in Afghanistan. The thing is, just because there were emails on the computer that were written in '98, that doesn't mean the hard drive is that old. If you read the article, you'd know that the IT guy kept everything organized quite well (until his arrest) and probably was able to figure out how to export old emails. The info was likely transferred from an older computer. Still, a 40GB hard drive in 2001 does seem out of place. Computers were apparently VERY hard to come by in Afghanistan at the time.
Again, the problems arose, when people from other castes started imposing themselves on others and dictating what others do, something which I believe goes against the basic tenets of Hinduism ("To each his own" as I like to put it).
As the downtrodden masses are educated and rise in society, however, the caste system reduces to what the other religions see as "sects" or subdivisions within their religions (Catholics/Protestants; Shi'as/Sunnis).
Another paradox of saying "To each his own" BTW, is that you cannot impose this thinking on anybody ... it contradicts itself if you try to convince somebody that that is the right way of thinking. That, IMHO is why non-proselytizing religions always lose out to conquering and preselytizing religions.
What the reporter reported finding in 2001 is not the same thing he "found" in 2004. Same computers, different story:
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http://www.rickross.com/reference/alqaeda/alqaeda
Notice there are no reports of ANY email from "Osama Bin Laden", for instance...
specially sensitive messages were encoded with a simple but reliable cryptographic system that had been used by both Allied and Axis powers during World War II--a "one-time pad" system that paired individual letters with randomly assigned numbers and letters and produced messages readable only by those who knew the pairings.
One time pads are the most difficult to crack ciphers in existance. It is theoretically impossible to crack them unless: a) the pad wasn't destroyed after decoding the message or b) the algorithm to create the pad is predictable. The author doesn't say anything about these 2 situations, so how does he know how sensitive the files were? Did they leave the decoded files on the computer anyway?
What I don't understand is that if some of the data is E-Mails from OSAMA BIN LADEN himself, how the HELL did the several security agencies that we have here in the U.S. not pick up the e-mail in transit? Don't we monitor these things or is that super computer in fort meade just used to play solitaire? I mean seriously, i'd say that ANY e-mail with the word "osama" in it should probably be picked up by big brother. The NSA and CIA are apparently now taking away from our freedom in exchange for security, yet they have failed to deliver on the security.
--Schvoo, gEEkD
The one very interesting thing I found about the emails was how out of touch with North American culture these people really are.
For example, they wish to,
Gather information on:
1. Information on American soldiers who frequent nightclubs in the America-Canada border areas
There really aren't that many military bases near the American-Canadian border. There's been no need for the last century.
3. If it is possible to enter America and gather information on American soldier checkpoints, or on the American army in the border areas inside America
The is an interesting look into their mentality about borders--that they are all defended by military checkpoints. Obviously they've had no experience crossing an free border like that between Canada and the States. The entire concept of travel without military interference is completely foriegn to them and this speaks volumes about their mindsets and misconceptions of western culture.
[another name for al-Zawahiri]
... I disagree completely with the issue of sales and profits. These are not profits. They are rather a farce of compound losses. I believe that going on in this is a dead end, as if we were fighting ghosts or windmills. Enough of pouring musk on barren land.
Absolutely fake... Do you ever listened to muslim mentioning "God" ? The refer to the supreme being as ALA not God.
By this I just concluded that all this stuff is fake.
"True. But we've had an army looking for them since 2001."
They should hire bill collectors to hunt down al Qaeda leadership. Those bastards can find you anywhere.
Sweet, I can't wait to vote for Kerry! I can't think of two things that will help this country more. This is not sarcasm, I'm completely serious. The military gets way too much of our money (hundreds of billions) imagine if just a fraction of that went to the schools. Also consider how nice it would be to have universal health care just by raising the taxes.
Sweet!!! I can't believe someone is that naive. Slash the budget from the military and non of it will go to the schools. It'll go to the defacit.
<sarcasm>And I can't wait to take home even less money now, so that I can pay for not only my own health care but everyone elses as well!!!</sarcasm>
Must be a Windows XP upgrade plus Windows Automatic Updates.
Don't know about where you live, but around here, public schools get about 56% of our municipal budget, while the military gets 0%. Public schools also receive funding from the state, and again, the military does not. But, we've been pouring money into public schools for a century. There doesn't appear to be any strong link between funding and student performance, unless the funding amount is below the minimum operating budget. Let's stop saying that lack of funds is the problem, and start concentrating on the management of those funds.
Fred
"A fool and his freedom are soon parted"
-RMS
We shouldn't be glad that "these bastards" as you refer to our CIA are "stupid" as you called them. I'm sick of you liberals hating our intelligence agencies. Go fuck a tree hippy.
If you think the average police force does anything more than image the drive and run it through software like Encase you are a raving nutter ...
First off there are no secondary sources of this information. This means he can say whatever he wants was on the computers, nobody can argue because the CIA will not talk about it one way or another.
Also, he said that 9/11 was referenced but showed no big evidence of this, just some vague feeling he had, this is not proof. He also seems to accept that they did carry out the 9/11 attacks and thus has no real motive to try and prove anything, all he could accomplish is to disprove his belief.
converting ALA to GOD is a valid translatino
Who the fuck wants even ONE virgin. VIRGINS SUCK. It is not a special, nor desirable thing to be unskilled in bed. Fuck a bunch of that. If you are of a certain age and you are still a virgin, there is SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU.
From someone that has copied several drives, I how it works. I would like to ask how he managed to recover deleted e-mails if this was a copy of the original computer files? When you copy something, in general only files not marked with the 'deleted' or 'removed' tag are copied (To speed things up). So unless he used some kind of low level copying function and based on his technical know-how, I'm not sure that he did, it seems unlikely this could be done.
In the process of killing all these fuckers we dont want to be killing innocent arabs. This only creates an unending cycle of revenge and hatered that is passed on to future generations.
If this war with Radical islamists is as successful as America's war on drugs, war with the Viet Cong, and the israel and palestine confict then were fucked.
Even if you try to kill them all, you won't. This tactic has been used so many times in history and now (look at africa). It just doesn't work.
Remeber that. Kerry supported the war in Iraq. I don't see much difference between the GOP and those "liberals".
I think every country faced with local terrorists has learnt through bitter experience that force does not solve this kind of problem. Dialogue and negotiation are always, finally, the only way to end the cycle of violence.
Churchill thought the same of the Nazis. How well did that work out?
Appeasement is not the answer. Unfortunately, sometimes war is the answer.
You listed some examples that were supposed to prove your point, and yet in 2 out of the 4 (Ireland and Spain) there are still people being killed by the local terrorists.
It is worse in the case of Islamo-fascists, because their goal is the destruction of the infidels (that's us) and to convert the entire world to Islam. They must be destroyed.
Ironically, the word ironically is often used incorrectly.
Well?
Shiiiiinyyy happpyy peooople holding haaaaaannds :)
Did you READ the article? If real (and that's not a small if), it paints a picture of al-Q that is very unlike the one painted by the Bush administration. It presents the idea that actions such as Iraq II will SUPPORT, not hurt, the terrorist cause. This is an article that should generate anti-Bush sentiment, if anything.
said like a true right winger, gwb would be proud.
Why is it that the sexually repressed people of the world flip out and start wars and start killing people? Seriously. When was the last time a place with very liberal ideas about sex started killing people? And the USA does not count with the current crop of uber-conservative anti-sex button pushers in charge. You'd think that most of the people in the world would have figured out that we need constant, high quality sex to maintain peace and stable economies. There go my nipples again.
Dear fellow terrorist,
MY NAME IS OSAMA bin LADIn. MY FATHER WAS AN OIL PRINCE in the Saudi Empire and managed to stash $30 Million US in a securities bank. I am writing to you because I need a foreign terrorist to helP me GET THE Money out of the country......
Unfortunately, our government is supposed to be enforcing the Constitution, which does stipulate funding the military, and does not stipulate funding national healthcare, public schools, welfare, unemployment, creating jobs, etc.
Ironically, the word ironically is often used incorrectly.
"The blow against the United States was meant to put an end to the internal rivalries, which are manifest in vitriolic memos between Kabul and cells abroad. Al-Qaeda's leaders worried about a military response from the United States, but in such a response they spied opportunity: they had fought the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, and they fondly remembered that war as a galvanizing experience, an event that roused the indifferent of the Arab world to fight and win against a technologically superior Western infidel. The jihadis expected the United States, like the Soviet Union, to be a clumsy opponent. Afghanistan would again become a slowly filling graveyard for the imperial ambitions of a superpower."
"As Arab resentment against the United States spreads, al-Qaeda may look less like a tightly knit terror group and more like a mass movement. And as the group develops synergy in working with other groups branded by the United States as enemies (in Iraq, the Israeli-occupied territories, Kashmir, the Mindanao Peninsula, and Chechnya, to name a few places), one wonders if the United States is indeed playing the role written for it on the computer. "
That is a nerve-racking observation made and I hope there is someone in DC to combat this strategy. Afghanistan and Iraq haven't been graveyards to the extent of the casualties suffered by russia, but one wonders if that is to come? I surely hope not.
That the media of the West is basically brainstorming terror ideas for their foes is one of the first things I thought when faced with the fear-mongering media.
But I guess i better shut up now because everything I might say is detrimental.
I'm still trying to figure out what people mean by 'social skills' here.
Silly trolls, stereotyping and over generalizing.
But really, you are so right. The liberals in the U.S. are the intolerant ones. They really dispise those who aren't rich, caucasian, Christian, and heterosexual.
Oh wait, that might more accurately describe conservatives?
And you're right, it's the liberals who spearheaded this war in Iraq, a war that took resources AWAY from Afghanistan.
Or was it the conservatives?
Again, those god-forsaken liberals are the ones who cover up corrupt revolving-door government contracts, alienate our oldest allies, reject international environmental agreements, and refer to entire countries as "EVIL."
Or was that also the conservatives?
Geez, I just can't seem to remember. I guess I'll just watch some more television. It always makes me happy.
>>The liberals in the U.S. are the intolerant ones. They really dispise those who aren't rich, caucasian, Christian, and heterosexual.
Not really. just intolerant of the lefts weak sauce
>>nd you're right, it's the liberals who spearheaded this war in Iraq, a war that took resources AWAY from Afghanistan.
No. The liberals were too busy trying to appease our enemies to start a war. And thanks to the US 9 million afghans (over 4.5 million WOMEN) are going to VOTE for the first time in their lives.
>>Again, those god-forsaken liberals are the ones who cover up corrupt revolving-door government contracts, alienate our oldest allies, reject international environmental agreements, and refer to entire countries as "EVIL."
Hey you are actually right on this one! Chirac and Schroeder were trying to protect BILLIONS of dollars worth of oil contracts with Iraq. Their main reason for opposing the US (other than their wanting to show the world that they can be players in the world)
>>Geez, I just can't seem to remember. I guess I'll just watch some more television. It always makes me happy.
Good idea. Or listen to Air America. That is if you live somewhere that they actually have not been taken off the air.
Karma means nothing to me, so suck it...
If someone wiped out your family because they disagreed with your post, would your reasoning be the same?
The real reasons behind terrorism are rarely discussed because they are complex. Terrorists are hardly ever crazed madmen, despite what Bush might insist upon. They are people with a grievance, but they choose to stand their ground in a way that many people find to be morally wrong. Suicide bombers don't want to kill themselves, rather they feel they have no alternative.
You are putting a urbane and diplomatic face on terrorism. Are they crazy? Yes and no, have a disturbed mental state. Absolutely. Have you ever met someone who was programed from birth to kill and wipe out people, with their highest goal being to kill as many as they can in a suicide attack? That at their 'age' of 7 or 8 they were angry they were not chosen to be put in the programs for martyr training. So they tried harder every day to get in, but was captured by the 'evil' Jews...who were not the cold murders that they were taught...but kind.
al-Qaeda terrorists are slightly different, in that most programing comes directly from fundamentalist teachings. It is still driven in most cases from childhood, from a young age. From the imams, from their 'teachers'. But those who do so, bind themselves tightly to them and the direct and core beliefs that to be a martyr is a holy thing.
Their grievance's are simple: If you are not one of us, you die. Convert or die. Not pure enough die. I can really list more examples.
It's very nasty world we live in. It's time for people to realize that in the last 2000 years, that this has been going on in one form in another. Either highscale war, or low scale war.
I expect to be labeled either a wingnut, a fundamentalist, or a rightwing wacko. I really don't care what you label me. Perhaps you could just say I have a 'grievance'. That is I don't like the idea of being killed by extreamist Moslems of any flavor. On that point, I should add...that 50% of them support individuals like al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hizbullah, etc. What does it tell you? I would say study some history on the subject, but I know most people simply disregard me when I say that.
I don't really care what people think or believe anymore, people will say Osama hoped to start a 'religious' war between the West and East. If religious means our life(including the freedom from religion) vs. their version of religion then so be it. Once more I say study the history of times past, it does not paint a pretty picture of 'Moslem' empires. For those still with the belief that the 'crusades' started this, they were a counter strike to a 'Moslem' empire attacking 'Christian' Europe...first.
For better or worse, this will not be over in our life time. More dead will lie at the feet of both sides until the countries who support the schools, pay the imams, and build the madrassahs which support these teachings stop. We will fight to preserve our way of life, they will fight to change ours and bring us under their sway. That is the sum reality of it.
Om, nomnomnom...
In the coded message of what seems like an email about a boy's Birthday party, it says:
"Don't think of showering as it may harm your health."
Okay stinker!
But then it finishes with
"I don't have any gravel [probably ammunition or bomb-making material]"
How this is supposed to fool anyone, I don't know.
Just let me know when that bum on the corner you go past on the way to work gets infected with smallpox (maybe by the Taliban! lololol!) and kills you all because he can't afford to have it treated.
Have a nice day.
B.S. to me. I don't know about any of you, but it sounds like someone has been working on a nice fiction article. Perhaps the seriousness was lost in translation or the writer replaced terms with stuff we would find more recognizable, but this sounds very fabricated. I can't honestly take it seriously.
Is simple. Expelling or exterminating (ala Stalin in the 20's and 30's) any Western influence in any Islamic country and creating a single unitary Islamic state (the Caliphate) under a single absolute ruler who will dominate the world.
... Jihadists are weak in conventional military terms but can use massive terror attacks to make themselves important as shown in the article to fellow jihadists and "wobbly" regimes.
This means geographically most of Spain and Portugal, Sicily and Southern Italy, the Balkans, right up to Southern Poland and most of Southern Russia/Ukraine/etc would be under a unified state under a single Islamic rule (Caliph) stretching from Morocco in the West to Indonesia in the East). This has been a consistent dream of every Islamic leader since they Umayyad Caliphate. [The Koran and Islamic law holds that once a land becomes Dar Al Islam "House of Islam" it must be returned at all cost from Dar al Harb "The House of War" i.e. outsiders if lost to them] Bin Laden is the latest inheritor of this dream.
For most of it's history Islamic Civilization has been far superior militarily and culturally to the West. Bin Laden's just the latest to believe that this "natural" situation can be restored. See: Suleiman the Magnificent, the two siege's of Vienna (the last in 1688), etc.
America's support for Israel is likely the least important thing to Bin Laden and his followers (though the one most cited). The real issue is that the West is more powerful, dynamic, and successful, even to the point of influencing time-keeping and dress in Islamic Countries. The Jihadists want to eliminate Western Influence first and then cause a "collapse" of Western regimes by their superior Islamic morality (and yes, they DO truly believe they are God's chosen and God is on their side). Bin Laden and the other Jihadis believe that jihad and suicide operations ala Afghanistan and the Soviets, or Hamas/Hezbollah with the Israelis in South Lebanon will "work" with the US. They aren't very well educated and lack a basic understanding (common among many Muslims convinced of their society's moral "purity") of the West, America especially.
MORE terror acts including nuclear, biological, or chemical that kill perhaps hundreds of thousands or millions in the US is inevitable
The only solution is continued US ability to massively punish regimes by removing leaders by military force and shooting them dead like Mussolini or hanging them like Tojo. Thus we need a larger, more effective military able to invade and remove leaders in Saudi, Pakistan, Egypt, and other countries.
We shouldn't delude ourselves. Our very commercial, cultural, and economic influence in economic countries makes us a target regardless of Israel. And the only alternative to deterrence by military force is abject surrender and the payment of massive tributes akin to what Thomas Jefferson rejected with the Barbary Pirates.
Exactly, it's like SPY 101 to delete your shit before you bug out. A child would know to do that. But hey, I'm sure the dude has a book deal and he has to feed his family also. Integrity comes second to money, remember?
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According to the Koran, the practices of the Prophet, and Islamic Law, Islam *may* tolerate, and has tolerated, both Judaism and Christianity ... but only in very limited and second class ways.
... others are not and the Koran commands no toleration of them.
They are called the "Dimma" and are basically Jews and Christians subject to a contract that requires them to stipulate to their second class status. Dimma may not serve in Islamic armies, hold weapons, conduct public worship of their faiths, hold public offices, or "offend" Muslims in other ways. Their places of worship must be small, and they cannot build new ones. Their rights to own and use property are restricted.
They are subject to their own laws, and their own selected leaders who are held responsible for any Dimma misdeeds.
It's essentially Jim-Crow Segregation according to religious beliefs not race. Also, please note that OTHER religions such as animist, Bhuddists, Bahai, etc are not recognized and ARE persecuted severely because while Jews and Christians are held to be authentic inheritors of God's revealation (now sadly corrupted)
The Dimma WAS pretty tolerant when the comparison was the Spanish Inquisition. Not so much in the modern era.
As far as the First Gulf War (1991) Bin Laden objected specifically to non-Muslims setting foot on "sacred" soil i.e. Saudi Soil since Saudi was the caretaker state of Mecca and Medina. It was the cause he cited in launching Jihad against the US (and Saudi).
Saddam in any case was a) a nominally Muslim ruler, who fulfilled all the obligations of a muslim, and therefore according to doctrine was a muslim and b) a profoundly hostile to the US regime. While extensive co-operation was unlikely the probability of a Stalin-Hitler type pact was always possible. Two leaders with relatively weak military forces, both muslims, hostile to the US seeking an alliance of convenience? I'd be surprised if there were not any intelligence sharing at the least.
The middle east problem is being solved by invading places like Iraq. Not that we should go to war for peace in the Middle East--as an American, that is not related to the US national defense and thus is not a justification. (But I still feel it was justified in the aim of national defense)
However--Iraq was a major source of funding for Islamist terrorists in Israel. You can't have peace in the middle east until you stop fueling the terrorists--and the fuel isn't theology, hatred, or inequality...it's money.
Most of these young suicide bombers are poor desperate youths who are lured into service by offering various goodies in exchange for their martyrdom. The recruitment tactics are not adhering to solem religious oaths--it's offering cell phones, a new pair of jeans, and some spending cash to those who otherwise don't have them. With a steady stream of dough from governments such as old Iraq, The families of these bombers are offered HUGE sums of money to offer up their children as meaningless sacrifices. There's a whole support system set up to harvest an entire generation of children to blow themselves up at bus terminals. The Palestinian "government" keeps the reigon destitude which gives plenty of more meat puppets to strap semtex to and curry favor with the media and UN. (Which keeps foreign aid pumping right into Arafat's wallet)
If you haven't noticed, things have been rather quiet over there in Israel. The elimination of a major funding source (Iraq), the building of a defensive wall, and the relentless assasinations of terrorist group leaders has worked.
If anything, this article reveals Islamic fundamentalist terrorism as the sham it is. It's not based around a religious belief--it's a corporation that generates profits from terror. They've got public relations, issue mission statements, and deal with the media.
It's hilarious to me when people try to say that our foreign policy is what drives these people--that our policies made poor folks like Bin-Laden strike out (who despite his cave dwelling is among the world's rich elite) It's money and power that these people want. And they'll kill all of you to get it.
Since the situation on the ground was intolerable for the Catholic and Protestant communities, and the drain on the British government for a full scale military occupation of the six counties was considerable.
When all sides want a truce you can negotiate.
Lets get real. OBL and his jihadis feel they are "winning" and would not want to compromise. Even if they DID want to compromise we would not like their terms, likely to include OBL running Saudi, and the return of the Taliban to Afghanistan.
Moreover compromise between two western parties is massively different between "dialogue" between OBL and the US. OBL EXPECTS the US "acknowledge" it's moral, spiritual, and temporal inferiority and acknowledge him as a somewhat feudal "protector" or master. He is not a Sinn Fein or Provo leader who thinks and acts like a Westerner. He thinks in terms of the unitary Muslim Caliphate he's talked about over and over again.
It's delusional and naive to think that dialogue or negotiation with people who KNOW as a matter of Faith that their war is right, just, and will admit them to Paradise. God has already "told" them that they are his chosen warriors. You expect dialogue to modify their actions? Get real.
and therefore it is not up to you to decide when to end it or why
;continues, because for every motherless angry muslim child you create you have another "terrorist" in the making and the root of the problem, Hate, is never brought to the forefront so the wars are neverending; which is what they want because a never ending war means a reason for your gov't to always be in absolute control for "your protection".
lets not forget that if you were going out and doing this by yourself without the US having declared them "enemy combatants" you'd be in jail, its not okay to kill people who are "innocent" but once most people agree they're "guilty" of doing something worth punishing everyone wants everyone else dead, thus the cycle
i love how the irony and hypocrisy of Americans almost always escapes them (I am one btw)
i hate my country because of all the blood sick idiots like yourself
comparing bin laden to a Nazi is totally incorrect for a variety of reasons anyway but I won't bother because reason is anathema to slashdot and its 15 yo doom3 kill-'em-first-ask-questions-later mentality
It is a collection of stories put into a lumped group gathered as acceptable by the cult leader you subscribe to. Each one includes the stories that best support the cult leaders views, which is why the other ones are left out and usually forgotten.
Use your intellect and research the other 70 odd stories not included in what is labelled as the new testament.
I prefer books more modern and filled with facts.
I have just smashed a soda can which I didn't create... what a terrible thing to do!
the root of the problem, Hate, is never brought to the forefront so the wars are neverending;
The trial and hanging of the loser side's leaders after WWII seems to have stopped all hate between Germany/Italy/Japan and the countries that fought them. How does that fit into your theories? If the Japanese soldiers were willing to die for their country in suicide attacks, just like the Muslim terrorists do, why didn't they keep fighting the USA after the war ended?
The author was recently interviewed on NPR. http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=38163 14
To: Al-Qaeda IT group
/. guys and tell them all of this stuff, may be they will have some advice ( I hear the talk all day and night long and do nothing). /. about migrating to Linux and if there is any reliable FLight Simulator available (hijacking scenarios and low altitude urban flight paths training missions required).
From: Osama bin Ladin
Subject: Upgrades?
Dear brother,
We are having some serious problems with our training in camps. The Windows XP systems are constatnly becoming pain the the ***. You see, the thing is that we upgraded from Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000 to Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004. After the upgrade, our local administrators applied a IE patch, and now whenever the computers start up, a blue screen appears. And nothing happens. I hope you can fathom the loss of time and training we are experiencing over this. Our to-be-suicide-pilots cannot get the required training now.
We tried uninstalling MFS 2004 version and re-installing MFS2000 version, but tha MFS 2000 fails to install citing some DirectX compatibility problems. All this is seriously affecting our future planning.
I want you, my dear brother, to find this Bill Gates guy and find out how to fix this thing. But remember, do not harm in in any way, I hear he is releasing something called XP SP 2 which is going to let hell lose all over the place.
If he fails to fix our ptoblem, kindly contact the
Also seek advice from the
May you rest in peace.
Osama
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p.s. what is this Win32.Sasser.worm, kindly brief our local IT staff about this, it appears to be with every mail we receive or send out there. I hope this is not some CIA trick to track our emals.
p.p.s. By second hand compaq laptops and IBM computers from Peshawer, install new hard disks, prepare fake email exhanges between the top 10 most wanted on FBI list and sell those computers to some infidel reporters for a profit. WIll use the profit to get you guys some GeForce 6800 cards, so you can practice some urban warfare with Doom3
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> The middle east problem is being solved by invading places like Iraq. Not that we should go to war for peace in the Middle East--as an American, that is not related to the US national defense and thus is not a justification. (But I still feel it was justified in the aim of national defense)
Everyone his own opinion..
> However--Iraq was a major source of funding for Islamist terrorists in Israel.
Uh, mind showing any proof of that? so far I all heard was that that claim is rather unfounded.
If you are talking about Iran and funding Hezbolah, that is an entirely different story.
> You can't have peace in the middle east until you stop fueling the terrorists--and the fuel isn't theology, hatred, or inequality...it's money.
Yes, money is the problem, however not in the way you seem to think. Lack of money among common people, not to say utter poverty, is what allows groups like Hamas, Hezbolah, and even Al-Queda to find support among the people, and make the whole thing an uphill battle for anyone they decide to fight, unless you believe that simply destroying the middle east and all that lives there is a solution.
> If anything, this article reveals Islamic fundamentalist terrorism as the sham it is. It's not based around a religious belief--it's a corporation that generates profits from terror. They've got public relations, issue mission statements, and deal with the media.
Yes, as is quite evident from them denouncing any modernity unless it helps them with their effords to spread fear.
You cannot stop such people simply by means of policy, but you can change the fact that they can easily recruit people to do the dirty work.
There are reasons why it is so much easier to recruit peopel for such actions in many middle eastern countries then it is in most of the west (not that it is impossible in the west, just a lot more difficult)
A large factor in how sensitive peopel are for extremist ideas is how well they can live their lives. If you want proof of that, please read up a bit on Germany during the 20s and 30s of the last century for example.
> It's hilarious to me when people try to say that our foreign policy is what drives these people--that our policies made poor folks like Bin-Laden strike out (who despite his cave dwelling is among the world's rich elite) It's money and power that these people want. And they'll kill all of you to get it.
Bin-Laden is not poor, his message appeals to poor people without much of a future.
And yes, the US foreign policy is in part to blame for this situation, but only in part.
Wouldn't it be embarassing, if these guys were the first to introduce Linux to Afghanistan?..
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Good, let them fire a few nukes at the USA. Because if they do, they signed their own death wish. We DO have 200MT warheads enough to punch a nasty fucking crator in the ground seen from space. You wanna play with Nukes. OK, game on...
Be carefull who you wave your big stick at, someone is bound to have a bigger one.
Life is not for the lazy.
Who TF said anything about hating America? I don't know where you got that from...either you're totally off your knocker, or you're smoking too much pot.
replied to like a true left-winger. nobody's proud.
Is there a reasoned, sensible pro-Palestinian debate anywhere?
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Parent's speculations are, in fact, correct. It's worth noting, too, that it _is_ possible to read the magnetic fields on a disk with an electron microscope, and that's one way to see that the "1" you're looking at is actually a 0.95 (or that it is written slightly to the left of the track, and that there's a 0 peeking out under the right edge.)
Interesting how these guys where capable of orgestration a dual hyjacking, fly planes into the same building within a short time, yet cant cover the possibility that the ' enemy' would get hold of there
computer equipment, they cant be terrorists theyre clowns sheesh
makes one wonder though
Come off it - any appointments either Kerry or Bush make have to run a gauntlet to get in. And ever when they get there, sometimes they aren't what anyone thought.
If you're voting just on the grounds of who gets to assign SC justices, then you are really missing the big picture and probably doing more harm than good - whoever you vote for.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
That being said, I was a little disappointed that they didn't use a "ghost" smiley. You know:
~~~~~~~~~(m--)m
- The Greeks
Intellectual repression. Sound familiar?
- The Romans
Repression of the masses.
- The French
Repression of the masses.
Especially your last example made little sense, as starving to death is a very good prerogative to start a revolution.
If you're thinking of the Napoleanic Wars, then be more specific. They were, however, started for the very same reason that the US started the Spanish wars.
- They learned that they could gather a formidable military.
Dig up all the facts.
Make 5 timelines starting after WWII
-One timeline for the middle eastern countries( history, territory boundaries,including people and sects in power, financial and tech resources...).
-one timeline for the territorial expansion of Israel(people in power, financial and tech resources..)
-one for territorial expansion of US ( including people and sects in power, financial and tech resources...).
-one for territorial expansion of UK( including people and sects in power, financial and tech resources...).
-one for territorial expansion of USSR( including people and sects in power, financial and tech resources...).
-one for the cold war race(list all incidents,who was in it, how was it financed).
-one for discovery of oil and natural gas globally (who owned it or controlled it,etc..)
-one for the construction of pipelines globally(who owned it, controlled it, rented to, leased to own, who benefit, who recevied the resources)
-last one for every single terrorist actions ever known (Not just Islamic)
Then make all the appropriate correlations.
There are no objective truths.
Insight is only given to the seeker of insight, and you, Sir (or Madam), are a fuckwit.
My truth is that I do not believe in the existence of God (Allah/JHVH/etc), but I can not rule their existence out of the realm of the possible. Why not?
I have no way of proving nor disproving the existence of a being capable of creating a universe, and therefore control the rules governing this universe, and in the end, the means to control the evidence of existence/non-existence.
On the choice of a deity to not show itself:
Why should I care whether or not my code knows that I've created it, as long as it does what I've designed it to?
Try these for size:
My workplace does not like the toilets to smell of crap. So they have these little perfurm squirt things that go off every 10 minutes or so (well I assume they do). Put some poisonous stuff in thier (can't be too much worse that whats already in them). Bingo one dead office worker. Repeat for 10k or so offices. Similar lines - most cosmetic products - they may already be there with Lynx.
Why stop there. Everyone knows US consumers are addicted to their cars. Why not put poisons in the petrol that cause lots of health and environmental damage.
Otherwise there is a way to recover the information after destruction by any other method that is easily within reach of authorities.
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As I said - total bullshit
Local taxes don't pay for the military. In the US we have this thing called Federal Income Tax that pays for the military. Also schools get federal funding not just state and municipal funding.
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The current state of affairs between the US, the Middle Eastern states, and antisystemic movements like al-Qaeda seems more complicated. Review the history of imperialism and it is obvious how we have exploited them, as we did the rest of the world. The exploitation was wrong--but set up the same relative economic/military/political conditions and the same thing will happen every time.
What I'm trying to say is that Middle Easterners have no end of legitimate grievances against the US & UK, but those dominating states didn't exactly have many options--they were masters of but also constrained within the capitalist economic system. Giving the citizens of the Middle East a fair share of Western profits would have been economically and politically impossible, then or now.
The classic text on this is the essay "The Rise and Future Demise of the Modern World System" by Immanuel Wallerstein. Wallerstein is both very cynical and very sober in his analysis; he is also very hopefull that we can do better [in terms of equity], although I am skeptical of that.
What I've heard from an actual data recovery company, not an Anonymous on the Internet, is that there has been no research so far that resulted in a recovery of a data fragment from a disk using external tools such as an electron microscope or some such. Yes, it has been proven that there are detectable traces of old data after it's overwritten, but there is no proof that it can be actually recovered on a useful scale.
So my suggestion is to simply overwrite the file. ANY safe deletion utility is ok, because even overwriting the file once with anything will work. Alternatively, you can just fill the partition by copying random files (an archive is sufficiently random, or just generate a new file) there. Noone will be able to recover your overwritten data, not even NSA.
Again, there is no evidence that overwritten files can be read from the HDD.
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...of 1789-94, AKA "The Reign of Terror", during which one of Paris' leading prostitutes was enthroned as "The Goddess of Reason" - which, when you think about it, doesn't sound too sexually repressed - and Atheism was declared to be the national religion.
They did all manner of bizarre things, like trying a ten-day "decimal week" (monumental stuff-up that worked out to be, as you'd expect). It makes interesting if occasionally very blood-encrusted reading.
The original trigger for the worst cycle of that Revolution was the Roman Catholics, who despite overt profession to the contrary (celibacy and all that, but see 1 Timothy 3:2) were not exactly the empitome of sexual repression themselves, but the Atheist revolutionaries got a bit carried away and massacred everyone of a religious bent - including what amounted the city's entire population of talented artisans (mostly Protestants of one kind or another) which drove French industry into the ditch fairly swiftly - not to mention massacring anyone they owed money to, whose sister or daughter they wanted to screw, whose house they envied... you get the idea.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Read this from the article:
The letter goes on to cite mid-twentieth-century articles from, among other sources, Science, The Journal of Immunology, and The New England Journal of Medicine, and lists the names of such books as Tomorrow's Weapons (1964), Peace or Pestilence (1949), and Chemical Warfare (1921).
THIS is where Al Qaeda gets his bioweapons info?
Gimme a fucking break!
And these guys are supposed to be getting suitcase nukes and the like?
Bullshit.
This is amateur night at its worst. It makes my bank robberies look high-tech.
No wonder they used box cutters to hijack the 9/11 planes - and why they were so easily used as "patsies" to do that job so the neocons could have their "terrorist Pearl Harbor" as desired in the PNAC documents.
More than ever, I am convinced just by this one article that Mossad was behind 9/11 all the way.
It was no accident that Mossad agents were arrested filming the collapse of the towers or that Mossad agents were following the 9/11 operators around for months before the attack.
You don't need any of these stupid "remote control airplane" conspiracy theories to explain 9/11. It was a simple "false flag"/agent-provocateur operation. Mossad uses its infiltrators to get Al Qaeda to go with the plan. Then they make sure - with CIA help - Al Qaeda operators get whatever they need - including flight training from a school in Florida with connections to the drug trade, the DEA and the CIA. Then the boys at the top conveniently ignore FBI and CIA reports from the field that something is up - as proven by Crowly and Edmonds' testimonies. That's all you need to make it happen.
The US and Israeli governments KNEW 9/11 was going to happen - because they set it up. Classic "Reichstag fire" incident.
Couldn't be more obvious if you threw one of the hijacker's passports on the wreckage...
Oh, wait...
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Hitler was a very neat and tidy man, who had trouble connecting to other people - he disliked touching, even his later-wife, Eva Braun.
Either I saw this in a Discovery documentary, but more likely I saw it in 'Im toten Winkel - Hitlers Sekretärinn. MSN, BBC, IMDB, Amazon DE
It is a very good movie, and I would highly recommend it to anyone interested in that era, and especially in the workings of a terror regime that kept it's society in a trance.
Be warned, though, that you might need a lot of coffee.
cos you might have had more luck...
They're right - the jews are to blame, and after
these towel-headed freaks exterminate them the US
should use neutron bombs and completely irradiate
the biology in the middle east and turn it into
some sort of park where archaeologists and oilmen
can play.
How this comment could be moderated "informative" is beyond me. It's scary to see what memes get picked up by propaganda. History is distorted because of this.
In fact, the Taliban did NOT say no. They said they wanted to understand why the U.S. thought Bin Laden was their man. The U.S. refused to discuss the matter and rushed to war (say, that sounds familiar). We could have had Bin Laden if the Bush team had just been willing to talk.
Thank you for having the sense to realize that throwing more money at a problem doesn't instantly make it disappear! You are absolutely correct when you say that the lack of funds is not the problem.
Tell a lie enough times it becomes true. Most Palestinians actually voluntarily left, at the urging of their Arab neighbors, to get out of the way of the invading Arab armies, and then move back after the Jews are defeated. It is estimated only about 1/3 of the Arabs actually were forced out.
The palestinians maintain that they were forced out, and the israelis mantain that the palestinians voluntarily abandoned their homes. I wasn't there, but the palestinian case is much more believable. This argument put forth by the pro-israel lobby -- "they just GAVE their houses to us spontaneously, who knows why" -- is very difficult to believe and would never withstand the evidentiary tests required to constitute a legal transfer of property.
But even if palestinians voluntarily left, still, the fact is irrelevant. Voluntarily leaving one's home doesn't imply that ownership of the home is thereby transferred to zionists. The homes remain the property of owners until they sell them or transfer the titles.
Plus, you mention the occupation, and conveniently ignore that prior to this, West Bank was occupied by Jordan, and Gaza was occupied by Egypt. Why, then, weren't these occupations fought against?
Egypt has not established settlements by evicting the former residents of Gaza.
Let's look at the PA. I bet you're not aware that it is illegal under penalty of death for any Palestinian to sell land to any Jew. Period. Note - not Israeli, but JEW. Why doesn't any human rights champion condemn this? It seems only Israel is the violator of human rights in the region.
I'm certainly not justifying the barbarism and violence of much of the arab world. Nevertheless this doesn't justify Israel's activities.
It wasn't Israel turning itself [apartheid], it was the actions BOTH of Israel and its Arab neighbors that led to the situation today.
Israel was an apartheid state from the beginning. The entire point of zionism was to eject the indigenous population of palestine and create a state of jewish people. Zionism was not about moving to Israel and living among the people who were already there. The initial decision to create a "jewish state" to the exclusion of others was a tremendous mistake, and the ejection of the native population necessitated by it has led to decades of conflict.
I don't understand why Israel doesn't just dismantle the settlements and get back into its 1967 borders. Over time (perhaps decades) the hatred will fade. But instead, Israel engages in stupidly provocative tactics like building settlements and exropriating more land. And for what purpose? A few more square miles of land? What amazes me about both Israel and the U.S. is that their moves on the world stage are so terribly idiotic. Israel has managed to re-ignite anti-semitism worldwide, to an extent not seen since the 1930's, and the U.S. continues to tinker in the politics of the middle east, with the same disastrous long-term consequences as always. What baffles me is that both countries (the U.S. and Israel) see these maneuvers as being in their self-interest. Bizarre. I was starting to think that they were intentionally injuring themselves. How terribly tragic that Israelis, Palestinians, Americans and Arabs must suffer because of idiots like Sharon and Bush.
Mod that sarcastic flame up!
... and a reasonable target of sarcastic mockery if the audience is clever enough to spot the paradox. Damn it.
It highlights the issue at hand, which is intolerance. In particular, (secular) intolerance of imperial religion.
While it's reasonable to be at odds with an imperial force, the suggestion of in-kind force is a paradox
What the world needs now, is love, sweet love. Or at the very least explosive propagation of a non-imperial, ultimately beneficial for human kind, rational system of moral-like guidelines that can better our lot to the point of quelling the winds of grief and deflating the sails of fundamentalist warships.
Unfortunately, any guidelines adequate to effect substantial positive changes are going to discourage my indulgence in consumption and luxury, so fuck that.
The one-time pad description given in the article is somewhat unclear; one could use such words for a Caesar or Vigenere chiffe, too. If a true otp was used, decyphering should indeed be impossible if the pad was never compromised; only used once; was/is truly random. This method was before the public key revolution and the main problem is the safe distribution of keys; which is hard enough using modern toys, but out of question for some guys in the middle of nowhere.
But you don't see US forces celebrating the death of civilians.
Just because they're prisoners, doesn't mean they aren't civilians.
Non-religious fundamentalism is part of the problem as well. Fundamentalism ("strict adherence to a system of beliefs") is often given a spriritual justification. But promises of wealth, racial supremacy theories, FUD etc, can be leveraged as well to rally the masses behind one true way to think.
Could it be that "The War on Terror", which according to the article can be seen as a success of Bin Laden's plan, is used to promote another form of Fundamentalism?
The articles provides food for thought, and shows how issues are more complex than usually depicted in the media -- because mass media seems to skip to conclusions, as rightful and correct as they can be, polarizing and strengthening the opinion. Because you need to be strong to face an opponent.
In a conflict, no party has the monopoly of terror and brute force - or there would be no conflict. While we want to be strong, keeping an understanding the motives of "the other" helps find more creative and pacific ways to *undermine* terror -- if and when a compromise is possible. Because war can only fight terrorists, not Terror. War is Terror, war feeds Terror, and war can only bring ephemeral and bitter victories.
Are compromises possible with fundamental islamists? Even though I oppose their acts and beliefs, can I sympathize with some of the motives they use to justify their action?
Like the fact that some UN resolutions are more enforceable than others? Like the building of walls, reminicent of past ghettoes, across occupied territories? Like discriminations based on religion being perpetrated? Like Human Rights and the laws we established being decreted, by our own leaders and without open debate, as "not applicable" in some areas and circumstances?
While it is important to stand united against an agression, we need to keep some room for debate. We need to keep widely accessible forums where all perspectives are confronted and debated publicly. If not, we are paving the road to a revival of fundamentalisms.
Islamofascists: Taliban and Al Qaeda
Christian fascists: Operation Rescue and Jerry Falwell
Jewish fascists: Israel
Political fascists: George W. Bush and the GOP.
My friend, fascists come in all shapes and colors. Just look around you. They fly planes into buildings, bomb abortion clincs, bulldoze down a person's legal home and use multimillion dollar missles to kill innocent woman and children. Want to stop the "Islamofascists"? Tell the US to stop supporting Israel and their systematic genocide of the Palestinians. That's what 9/11 was about and not GWB's "they hate freedom" crap. Your comments summerized is "peace by war" but I say we should have "peace by peace" and stop killing people be they Iraqis, Palestinians or anyone else. Violence begets violence. The greatest advances in our history came from nonviolent acts. Violence solves nothing. It's time to "turn the other cheek"
BTW, the Christians and their crusade have killed alot more people than the followers of Islam in any Jihad.
... permeates this story.
... or possibly part of someone's political agenda.
Stop and think: what are the odds that the CIA would fail to ensure that all copies of this most (potentially) vital intelligence was in their hands? Do you really think that they would let this guy make a copy or that they wouldn't have shut him down if he had? Get real.
Several other posts have pointed out the general implausibility of the acquisition and transfer of data. The last bit on the general agenda seems too close to vindicating the Bush agenda.
Pure hoax
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
I bet you do...
Christian conservatives use their faith to guide their entire life.
So do muslim extremists.
So you call them fanatics.
Yes you do.
Christian conservatives are the main political force behind both the anti-slavery movement and the pro-women voting movement.
Nope. By definition, liberals are for changes like that.
Of course, a few generations after liberals have enacted a dramatic change such as emancipation or woman's lib, then the conservatives want things to be the way they are, but the change is not a conservative move, my delusional friend.
Al-Queda argues for violent forced conversions
So do republicans
pet-like treatment of women
So do republicans (not ALL republicans, of course)
and terrorism against civilians.
So do republicans, though they call it "liberating" and "regime change", but getting your country blown up by foreigners is as terrifying no matter who does the bombing.
Of course, republicans think that blowing up Americans is wrong, and blowing up foreigners is ok...
Sounds like you are the bigot with the discrimination problem. But prove me wrong. Explain why Republicans (which I assume you mean Christian conservatives) are racist religious fanatics.
Wow! You put words in my mouth, then say that these imaginary things you make believe I said mean that I am something bad, then demand I prove you wrong! I am SURE that you won't keep trolling me post after post after post, so I will gladly bite and reply to those things you prented I said as if they were my words! Really!
But do you really need someone to tell you why christian *somethings* are religious *somethings*?
P.S. Jesus is against the death penalty, and against war. If you want to throw the first sone, you are NOT following the word of Christ. Simple as that.
Terrorist fly planes in your buildings? Turn the other cheek. If you want revenge, stop pretending to be Jesus' buddy.
You can't take the sky from me...
Your factual errors are so many, I think rather than point them out, it's far easier to just say, "Everything you believe is wrong." Please, if you're going to post your opinion on slash dot, at least trouble yourself to educate yourself on the matter at hand. An opinion without facts to back it up is just hot moist air. An opinion backed up with erroneous facts. . . that's just retarded.