There are whole TV shows written around this very idea. One can simply observe mannerisms and jump to fully detailed truths about people. These writers must have something to base these plots lines on - they couldn't publish a TV show if it weren't true...right?!
So why shouldn't a TSA executive use the idea, sort out the details, get the best scientists/consultants to provide the truthiness, and create the real thing. I mean - isn't this what the Lone Gunmen proposed in X-Files? Secret science that was all true but hidden from us normal folks via conspiracy theories?!
Junk Science is labeled by people who refuse to think outside the box. Go talk to the Creationists - they know what's going on.
Seems that the concept of re-inventing the wheel causes the folks new to the picture to either be ignorant of, or discounting all existing risk.
I can hear product management now: "Get the feature out - all of those concerns from the big fat banks aren't important - this is new! none of those problems will occur this time around !!!"
Or - the aliens are so smart that they have placed into the very universe this cool repeating pattern trying to communicate with us. As in "Yo! dude... blink blink blink - here we are!" Everywhere we look - this thing keeps appearing... nature, math, planets. Maybe there is a commonality.
Wow - imagine some super alien that could have intelligently designed such a feature into the universe. [big smirk]
Rebuild it without the bullshit? I can't see how rebuilding it would get us to a different location - we are here because this is what we wanted to build. Having a life full of regret where you wouldn't live it the same way again is looking back and wishing for a better existence.
Will it morph to go somewhere else because that's what we want? The article argues that there are at least two forces: the walled gardens that offer us candy - and our desire to consume whatever looks new & hot.
And big data will fill the gaps. Plus - we will want this data. It references a BBC claim that by 2019 a large % of us will WANT to use apps that record & archives our spoken conversations. It isn't that some secretive group will build these time lines - WE will do it. WE will want to do it.
It sounds rather dystopian. I've read old (1970's) sci fi novels on similar subjects. Those who have managed to stay out of the system and those who are in it. Even The Matrix wants to extract people from the system - and there's a whole underground world living outside of it.
While MS has always had XBox separate from Windows OS - haven't they always had a toolkit/library/framework strategy that promised an almost-write-once game experience across platofrms? And it was weak?
I've heard interviews with developers who used XNA to built mobile games that also run on XBox - with a few, uh, gaps - or caveats.
What is missing is that single game store. A few years ago MS promised this flying game that looked amazing (Simulator replacement?). I signed up for the beta but wasn't accepted - and later received a notice that it was generally available. It was called an XBox game !! So I searched for it and couldn't find it on the Xbox store. After a week of half-assed Google searching I discovered that it was a Windows game (and possibly used the Kinect inputs for those who had the USB version). Talk about confusing. It wasn't available on the XBox.
Personally I'd like to buy a game via my PC or mobile device and have it delivered to my XBox. Kind of like the method for buying music.
Yes - this is always a sticky situation. "We" want to report the issue but have plenty of tales of people killing the messenger.
My very serious solution - print out all of the details on a sheet of paper. Pop it in an envelop, drive to the next town, and mail it in.
And use an older printer that doesn't put signature marks in the pixels. Or drive to a street, hike through the woods, to a payphone - and call them.
You've done your job and aren't involved. Of course - you've already exercised the bug - they do have the logs and can go looking to see if anybody ever tried this. But maybe they won't, or at least maybe just maybe won't find you.
You have a responsibility to keep it a secret.
Plan B is to talk loudly at a hacker convention and let somebody else "stumble" across it.
I heard an interview with this surgeon on BBC this morning. He definitely is a glass half full person - nothing is impossible. No matter what difficulty the reporter asked was waved away with (in essence) "bah - that is a minor detail"
2 years? Snake-oil or real possibility?
Pragmatically there may be a few small hills to climb. My magic 8-ball says, "Unlikely."
But hey - we could be on the edge of a major breakthrough.
Update family photos. Label who her (great--xxx) grandparents are. Take out that felt marker and write on the back of old photos. If you have siblings or cousins - they can help when she gets older. How many times have you been at a family event and somebody asks "who is that?" in some old photo. This allows for some history.
Also - I'd make it known to both my wife and children that it is okay to move on. That there may be somebody else in the future - and that is okay. That person will help guide in his own way - taking over where I left off. Not a replacement - but don't ignore that person simply because he isn't me (you).
Well - if they had the original 200k people to send on the mission -- maybe 40 would still be alive when the spaceship arrived.
As for financing - they plan to sell all of it as a Reality TV show. Here's an NPR writeup from 2013 "This one-way trip to Mars is brought to you by": http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetw...
No new technology? Pretty sure there are several "known unknowns" that haven't been figured out. Gamma Ray protection tops the list. I remember one of the moon astronauts describing the strange flashes of light that they would see during the trip. Leaving earth's protection completely is expected to be even worse.
I remember hearing an interview on the radio with an "expert" after Prez Obama made his Mars declaration. This expert listed some absolutely fascinating problems, even basics, that still need to be solved. Some of the issues were things I wouldn't have thought of - ever. Wish I could find that interview - it was also on NPR but I can't remember which show.
Is he accused of damaging these AT the trade show or in a store? Or was LG buying the products and returning them to their secret lab to poke/prod them?
I guess I'd be mad if my flagship products failed at a trade show - only to find that somebody had put sand in the tank overnight.
This reminds me of an old Click & Clack episode where a caller had purchased a used VW...and while cleaning the trunk had found paperwork indicating the car was owned by the Chevy (Ford?) proving grounds. Tom & Ray assured the caller that some test driver was comparing the competition had driven the car to within an inch of it's life - and that the caller should either purchase the extended warranty or trade the car in... now! They also suggested that the test driver had purposely left the evidence behind as a warning to future owners.
My condo has a long corridor that opens to a living room... all without any light switches. So to walk through my house I have to turn the kitchen light on - walk across the room - turn on the stairwell light -- walk back turn off kitchen light... you get the picture (who designs this stuff?!)
I wanted to buy a wireless switch of some kind and make a three-way system. Adding a light switch to one wall is almost impossible. I looked at battery operated systems, wall-switch like devices, and others. I couldn't find anything that was slim, or could work with an existing lamp, or the costs were $100+.
A $5 nightlight that senses darkness is my automation solution to the problem. $0.02 per year electricity and I'm all set.
I see where you're going with that thought. A pulmonary doctor probably wouldn't make a good heart surgeon. But should know what the heart is and some of the basics around it. Expert? no. That it exists? probably. What about the nervous system? or cancers across the whole body? Brain?
It comes down to what we consider the basics. I self studied cryptography enough to know that I don't know enough - those who hack think differently than I do. In this day and age would I expect developers of web based products to understand that security is important? yes. Know how to do it properly? no.
If security was extra important to me - I'd hire a few experts with varying roles and have them define the standards that other developers need to follow.
When I started (20+ years ago) I didn't know what a database was, or how to attach to it. Heck - HTML didn't exist yet. Now I'll bet I could give the best of them a run for the money. Cryptography? I know it exists - and would hire an expert. Could I learn it? Absolutely.
NoFlyZone is like those 800 "who-calls-me" web sites. Maybe they will raise issue awareness - but like who-calls-me there isn't anything they can do about it. Its just a place for people to complain.
Better yet - it looks to be structured just like the DoNotCallMe database.
I like that an advertisement for a "who-calls-me" like service made it onto/.
Seems that is how the off-market auto parts works. Steal the whole car (or parts - like just Xenon headlights) and chop it up. Hard to sell the chassis because of the VIN# But you could sell the airbags, radio, tires, wheels, fenders etc for big profit. They became so good that these stolen parts made it into the regular supply chain. Next time your cellphone screen cracks - will you send it back to the manufacturer or take it around the corner to the cheap(er) repair shop?
That article was - eh - short. I'm not sure I learned anything from it, maybe I'm having a TL;TR day.
But if the requestor really wants 13k documents - let'em crowd fund it and make the case to the public.
I'd be humored to find out if the gov't would even do the work if $1.4m showed up in their bank account. Hah - pay them in cash with amounts under $10,000 to trigger the IRS monitoring of drug crimes.
Why is this news worthy of geeks? Apple - may or may not be doing something - but it is too early to tell what - and they may not actually be doing it, and if they are it may or may not be with an iDevice. But we can't tell.
My VW GTI (aka Audi A3) has a "sound box" which makes a delightful little growl when you step on the gas. Coupled with a muffler that puts out a "pummp pummp" sound - it is all cool. VW didn't hide it - it is advertised albeit small print feature. Making my little 0-60 runs and hearing the deep tone change with each tap of the paddle-shifter, it just gives a little twinge of excitement in the lower region of the anatomy.
What is driving a car? I say the experience and exhilaration. Sure some of these features are like spinning wheel-caps - but they add to the fun. Its the feeling.
The performance geeks remove this box ( Y-delete) because it affects throttle response. But for us old people who bomb through the mountain pass with the windows open and Red Barchetta playing from the stereo - I'm after the surreal.
It is nice to know that these security hole exist. Others have pointed out how these might be... put to use.
I found the article lacking. Here's what I'm missing - nowhere in the article did I gain an understanding of the feasibility of attacking this system. We've elsewhere seen people unlocking cars from the outside (either breaking a window and using the port or wirelessly). Breaking the glass is just that - Break Glass and people would notice.
Having to unplug this device and write new firmware isn't really a hack. Yes - it would be nice if these things had security codes stamped into them for access to the mothership. Still - from outside the car how do I attack this thing? How do I take over this thing and make use of it?
I'm sure there's a way, I'm just not getting a feeling of the priority here. I won't signup for these devices because of the big brother aspect. Shaming the companies for low security is fun. And there are hypothetical attacks on the cell system. But how serious is this? What is my attack surface right now?
Ah man - you beat me to it. All of this Virtualization and Vector CPU stuff is pretty old. What is old is new again?!
VAX/VMS, IBM/360, and most mainframes of yesteryear all had the concept of virtualization. When I learned what an OS was - it was in this context. This new fangled Unix thing was a switch to multi-program over multi-OS. Cheaper smaller CPUs without these extra features allowed for high-compute applications to exist on the desktop for personal use. And this enable lots of researchers to do their own thing - at a reduced cost.
The balance of processing has moved back and forth over the years. 100% Server Mainframe (terminals) - to 100% Desktop (PCs) - to Network distributed sharing (X/Unix) - to Workstations on a Network - to the Web (looks like X) - and then back to the Server (Virtual Desktop VDI). There have been varying power of clients, full blown Workstations to Mobile devices. I remember watching the demo of Doom running on a mobile phone - which was really running on a Server with a vGPU outputting a video stream to the mobile device. And I've seen 3D rendering apps work the same way (vCPU/vGPU).
My wayback machine memory is getting a tour of the local DEC plant when I was a kid. They showed us this thing called the CPU - it was as big as an IBM PC (probably the PDP/11 inside of a 8400). What a CPU was back then isn't what we consider it today. I remember thinking (as a kid) - man these things are huge and my home PC is so small... what the heck...that'll be gone soon;-)
The more things change - the more they stay the same. What the OP knew in 1980 is relevant - only the technical details have changed.
hah. I worked at a place where that actually was the policy.
When dealing with lawsuits... Talk in person - in closed rooms If you do Phone - never leave voicemail messages. Do not use email - if you must.... Email should not hint at the topic of conversation. Email should stick to the facts and not contain strategy or speculation.
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There are whole TV shows written around this very idea. One can simply observe mannerisms and jump to fully detailed truths about people. These writers must have something to base these plots lines on - they couldn't publish a TV show if it weren't true ...right?!
So why shouldn't a TSA executive use the idea, sort out the details, get the best scientists/consultants to provide the truthiness, and create the real thing. I mean - isn't this what the Lone Gunmen proposed in X-Files? Secret science that was all true but hidden from us normal folks via conspiracy theories?!
Junk Science is labeled by people who refuse to think outside the box. Go talk to the Creationists - they know what's going on.
Seems that the concept of re-inventing the wheel causes the folks new to the picture to either be ignorant of, or discounting all existing risk.
I can hear product management now: "Get the feature out - all of those concerns from the big fat banks aren't important - this is new! none of those problems will occur this time around !!!"
Or - the aliens are so smart that they have placed into the very universe this cool repeating pattern trying to communicate with us. As in "Yo! dude... blink blink blink - here we are!" Everywhere we look - this thing keeps appearing... nature, math, planets. Maybe there is a commonality.
Wow - imagine some super alien that could have intelligently designed such a feature into the universe. [big smirk]
Rebuild it without the bullshit? I can't see how rebuilding it would get us to a different location - we are here because this is what we wanted to build. Having a life full of regret where you wouldn't live it the same way again is looking back and wishing for a better existence.
Will it morph to go somewhere else because that's what we want? The article argues that there are at least two forces: the walled gardens that offer us candy - and our desire to consume whatever looks new & hot.
And big data will fill the gaps. Plus - we will want this data. It references a BBC claim that by 2019 a large % of us will WANT to use apps that record & archives our spoken conversations. It isn't that some secretive group will build these time lines - WE will do it. WE will want to do it.
It sounds rather dystopian. I've read old (1970's) sci fi novels on similar subjects. Those who have managed to stay out of the system and those who are in it. Even The Matrix wants to extract people from the system - and there's a whole underground world living outside of it.
While MS has always had XBox separate from Windows OS - haven't they always had a toolkit/library/framework strategy that promised an almost-write-once game experience across platofrms? And it was weak?
I've heard interviews with developers who used XNA to built mobile games that also run on XBox - with a few, uh, gaps - or caveats.
What is missing is that single game store. A few years ago MS promised this flying game that looked amazing (Simulator replacement?). I signed up for the beta but wasn't accepted - and later received a notice that it was generally available. It was called an XBox game !! So I searched for it and couldn't find it on the Xbox store. After a week of half-assed Google searching I discovered that it was a Windows game (and possibly used the Kinect inputs for those who had the USB version). Talk about confusing. It wasn't available on the XBox.
Personally I'd like to buy a game via my PC or mobile device and have it delivered to my XBox. Kind of like the method for buying music.
Yes - this is always a sticky situation. "We" want to report the issue but have plenty of tales of people killing the messenger.
My very serious solution - print out all of the details on a sheet of paper. Pop it in an envelop, drive to the next town, and mail it in.
And use an older printer that doesn't put signature marks in the pixels. Or drive to a street, hike through the woods, to a payphone - and call them.
You've done your job and aren't involved. Of course - you've already exercised the bug - they do have the logs and can go looking to see if anybody ever tried this. But maybe they won't, or at least maybe just maybe won't find you.
You have a responsibility to keep it a secret.
Plan B is to talk loudly at a hacker convention and let somebody else "stumble" across it.
FACT: This will help civilization improve. FACT!
Peace out, dude.
I heard an interview with this surgeon on BBC this morning. He definitely is a glass half full person - nothing is impossible. No matter what difficulty the reporter asked was waved away with (in essence) "bah - that is a minor detail"
2 years? Snake-oil or real possibility?
Pragmatically there may be a few small hills to climb. My magic 8-ball says, "Unlikely."
But hey - we could be on the edge of a major breakthrough.
yes and....
Update family photos. Label who her (great--xxx) grandparents are. Take out that felt marker and write on the back of old photos. If you have siblings or cousins - they can help when she gets older. How many times have you been at a family event and somebody asks "who is that?" in some old photo. This allows for some history.
Also - I'd make it known to both my wife and children that it is okay to move on. That there may be somebody else in the future - and that is okay. That person will help guide in his own way - taking over where I left off. Not a replacement - but don't ignore that person simply because he isn't me (you).
Well - if they had the original 200k people to send on the mission -- maybe 40 would still be alive when the spaceship arrived.
As for financing - they plan to sell all of it as a Reality TV show. Here's an NPR writeup from 2013 "This one-way trip to Mars is brought to you by": http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetw...
No new technology? Pretty sure there are several "known unknowns" that haven't been figured out. Gamma Ray protection tops the list. I remember one of the moon astronauts describing the strange flashes of light that they would see during the trip. Leaving earth's protection completely is expected to be even worse.
I remember hearing an interview on the radio with an "expert" after Prez Obama made his Mars declaration. This expert listed some absolutely fascinating problems, even basics, that still need to be solved. Some of the issues were things I wouldn't have thought of - ever. Wish I could find that interview - it was also on NPR but I can't remember which show.
Is he accused of damaging these AT the trade show or in a store? Or was LG buying the products and returning them to their secret lab to poke/prod them?
I guess I'd be mad if my flagship products failed at a trade show - only to find that somebody had put sand in the tank overnight.
This reminds me of an old Click & Clack episode where a caller had purchased a used VW...and while cleaning the trunk had found paperwork indicating the car was owned by the Chevy (Ford?) proving grounds. Tom & Ray assured the caller that some test driver was comparing the competition had driven the car to within an inch of it's life - and that the caller should either purchase the extended warranty or trade the car in ... now! They also suggested that the test driver had purposely left the evidence behind as a warning to future owners.
wait - knowing all of that is... simple? ;-)
My condo has a long corridor that opens to a living room... all without any light switches. So to walk through my house I have to turn the kitchen light on - walk across the room - turn on the stairwell light -- walk back turn off kitchen light... you get the picture (who designs this stuff?!)
I wanted to buy a wireless switch of some kind and make a three-way system. Adding a light switch to one wall is almost impossible. I looked at battery operated systems, wall-switch like devices, and others. I couldn't find anything that was slim, or could work with an existing lamp, or the costs were $100+.
A $5 nightlight that senses darkness is my automation solution to the problem. $0.02 per year electricity and I'm all set.
nah - even modern dimmers are digital too.
I see where you're going with that thought. A pulmonary doctor probably wouldn't make a good heart surgeon. But should know what the heart is and some of the basics around it. Expert? no. That it exists? probably. What about the nervous system? or cancers across the whole body? Brain?
It comes down to what we consider the basics. I self studied cryptography enough to know that I don't know enough - those who hack think differently than I do. In this day and age would I expect developers of web based products to understand that security is important? yes. Know how to do it properly? no.
If security was extra important to me - I'd hire a few experts with varying roles and have them define the standards that other developers need to follow.
When I started (20+ years ago) I didn't know what a database was, or how to attach to it. Heck - HTML didn't exist yet. Now I'll bet I could give the best of them a run for the money. Cryptography? I know it exists - and would hire an expert. Could I learn it? Absolutely.
How much you payin' and when do I start?
NoFlyZone is like those 800 "who-calls-me" web sites. Maybe they will raise issue awareness - but like who-calls-me there isn't anything they can do about it. Its just a place for people to complain.
Better yet - it looks to be structured just like the DoNotCallMe database.
I like that an advertisement for a "who-calls-me" like service made it onto /.
Seems that is how the off-market auto parts works. Steal the whole car (or parts - like just Xenon headlights) and chop it up. Hard to sell the chassis because of the VIN# But you could sell the airbags, radio, tires, wheels, fenders etc for big profit. They became so good that these stolen parts made it into the regular supply chain. Next time your cellphone screen cracks - will you send it back to the manufacturer or take it around the corner to the cheap(er) repair shop?
Supply & Demand meets The Innovators.
Nowadays even the airbags have chips in them.
That article was - eh - short. I'm not sure I learned anything from it, maybe I'm having a TL;TR day.
But if the requestor really wants 13k documents - let'em crowd fund it and make the case to the public.
I'd be humored to find out if the gov't would even do the work if $1.4m showed up in their bank account. Hah - pay them in cash with amounts under $10,000 to trigger the IRS monitoring of drug crimes.
Why is this news worthy of geeks? Apple - may or may not be doing something - but it is too early to tell what - and they may not actually be doing it, and if they are it may or may not be with an iDevice. But we can't tell.
Look - Apple Watch!!
I see these things so last minute - always realizing that the object tracking firmware on my scope will need to be updated in order to track.
If only my system was internet updatable directly to the scope. Gotta find my Serial to USB connector :-(
My VW GTI (aka Audi A3) has a "sound box" which makes a delightful little growl when you step on the gas. Coupled with a muffler that puts out a "pummp pummp" sound - it is all cool. VW didn't hide it - it is advertised albeit small print feature. Making my little 0-60 runs and hearing the deep tone change with each tap of the paddle-shifter, it just gives a little twinge of excitement in the lower region of the anatomy.
What is driving a car? I say the experience and exhilaration. Sure some of these features are like spinning wheel-caps - but they add to the fun. Its the feeling.
The performance geeks remove this box ( Y-delete) because it affects throttle response. But for us old people who bomb through the mountain pass with the windows open and Red Barchetta playing from the stereo - I'm after the surreal.
Just as long as it doesn't sound fake :-P
It is nice to know that these security hole exist. Others have pointed out how these might be ... put to use.
I found the article lacking. Here's what I'm missing - nowhere in the article did I gain an understanding of the feasibility of attacking this system. We've elsewhere seen people unlocking cars from the outside (either breaking a window and using the port or wirelessly). Breaking the glass is just that - Break Glass and people would notice.
Having to unplug this device and write new firmware isn't really a hack. Yes - it would be nice if these things had security codes stamped into them for access to the mothership. Still - from outside the car how do I attack this thing? How do I take over this thing and make use of it?
I'm sure there's a way, I'm just not getting a feeling of the priority here. I won't signup for these devices because of the big brother aspect. Shaming the companies for low security is fun. And there are hypothetical attacks on the cell system. But how serious is this? What is my attack surface right now?
StateFarm gave me one that ran on my mobile device (not OBD2) - simply using GPS etc.
So I did a few laps of the track and gave them some data.
Garbage in, garbage out.
sorry - meant 8600.
Ah man - you beat me to it. All of this Virtualization and Vector CPU stuff is pretty old. What is old is new again?!
VAX/VMS, IBM/360, and most mainframes of yesteryear all had the concept of virtualization. When I learned what an OS was - it was in this context. This new fangled Unix thing was a switch to multi-program over multi-OS. Cheaper smaller CPUs without these extra features allowed for high-compute applications to exist on the desktop for personal use. And this enable lots of researchers to do their own thing - at a reduced cost.
The balance of processing has moved back and forth over the years. 100% Server Mainframe (terminals) - to 100% Desktop (PCs) - to Network distributed sharing (X/Unix) - to Workstations on a Network - to the Web (looks like X) - and then back to the Server (Virtual Desktop VDI). There have been varying power of clients, full blown Workstations to Mobile devices. I remember watching the demo of Doom running on a mobile phone - which was really running on a Server with a vGPU outputting a video stream to the mobile device. And I've seen 3D rendering apps work the same way (vCPU/vGPU).
My wayback machine memory is getting a tour of the local DEC plant when I was a kid. They showed us this thing called the CPU - it was as big as an IBM PC (probably the PDP/11 inside of a 8400). What a CPU was back then isn't what we consider it today. I remember thinking (as a kid) - man these things are huge and my home PC is so small... what the heck...that'll be gone soon ;-)
The more things change - the more they stay the same. What the OP knew in 1980 is relevant - only the technical details have changed.
hah. I worked at a place where that actually was the policy.
When dealing with lawsuits...
Talk in person - in closed rooms
If you do Phone - never leave voicemail messages.
Do not use email - if you must....
Email should not hint at the topic of conversation.
Email should stick to the facts and not contain strategy or speculation.