Start looking at prices for other states, and you'll realize that Virginia Tech is cheap compared to other places. If you went here and talked to anyone from the North East, they'll probably tell you what costs are like up there, and that it's cheaper out of state at VT than up north. (Quick check of PennSt. just got me $6100/semester IN state. Check some others up north and you'll probably find it gets higher quickly.)
Also, it's common to give college costs by semester, as saying $20k/year isn't right either as it doesn't include summer classes, which many take (and not just because they fail, but to finish early).
I'm still paying for my college, and it helps to know what you're paying for. Or you can just whine about it on/.
Make sure the G5 vigilanties DDoS Kevin instead of pulling an SCO style DoS. We could make more jokes about Randy being used to DoS, but this is/. - we don't want to appear mean do we?
For the ones who are questioning this existence, the order is shipping, the racks (a ton of them) are there in the main Computing Center server room. First they required all servers to be moved innto racks. Then they started moving servers around, including removing the Petaplex. The power has been upgraded in the server room (the UPS backup generator actually). This caused a morning of basically all the important servers on campus having to go down for one day in the summer - I hated waking up to go switch off machines for that one. The AC has been upgraded to accomidate the huge amount of heat to be put out. It was't until I heard about the cluster that all the chages in the Machine Room made sense. Now they're recruiting help to do the grunt work of putting all the machines in the racks.
The stated objective was to be on the next 500 list. Dell and HP were considered, but they couldn't fill the order in time (possibly as they have made announcements of other large clusters recently) and Apple promised delivery after someone leaked the story of the cluster meetign with Dell and HP to Apple and Apple jumped at the chance.
Basically, the story is not a rumor from the point of view of the geeks on campus who have been effected by the preperations. I'll probably post the/. link to the campus geek list (If someone hasn't beaten me to it).
I'm disapointed about this being only on the Apple section of/. since a cluster this size is noteworthy of the frontpage. (Rumor - and this is rumor sice I haven't goe to direct sources on this - is that it will not be running OS X, and probably BlackLab or YellowDog or SuSE.)
President Steiger's stated intention his first year in office was to be in the top 25(?) research instutions. The decision to spend the money on this is probaby connected to that initiative. I'm not sure where the fuding came from, but I doubt they could do this without a lot of approval from the top.
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As I see it, here's the "logic" of calling OSS Communistic.
To many (esp in the US) "communism" is the antagonist of "capitolism". "Capitolism" == "American" == doing things for money. OSS is not about doing it for money, but for the good of the community, so it must be Communist.
I never said it was *good* logic, but I wouldn't be suprised if this was the root of the Communist argument.
Coming from a parent of a child with Apraxia due to prematurity (she canComing from a parent of a child with Apraxia due to prematurity (she can't control her mouth and tongue muscles well enough to speak), I'd like to ask any developers with a desire to work on a feel good project to get into this. If you want to feel like you're making a real difference, this beats programming the latest video game (and I'm a gamer).
This is probably the motivation that will get me to learn Perl finally. This could give my child (who also has trouble signing ASL) a voice, and it's not costing an arm and a leg (ok, so she'd need a notebook to take with her, but that's minor compared to the potential).
For the first time since I've been reading it, I'm proud of/. for posting something that proves the power of people, not just the power of open source. I'll thank the programmers with my help and praise, but I'd like to thank joukev for catching it, and michael for posting it (and all the little people in the world for making me tall)./. has done it's good deed for the day.
This is the way I've always done it. I'd been pondering a shareware app to wrap the necessary niutil commands to do this via GUI, but I may just kill that idea (asuming someone hasn't already done it) since Apple has put my favorite as default (and let the tcsh users eat cake).
Now if only Apple would put the shell choice in the user creation CP *where it belongs*.
Even if copyright were similar to trademark in that it had to be enforced to remain in place, the GPL has been enforced via social pressure on vendors found shipping GPL software w/o making source available. I'm going to lunch, so I'll skip the link I should insert to the/. stories, but I know Linksys was one of the vendors pressured into releasing source. So far, legal pressure has not been necessary, as social pressure has been sufficient (which is also the reason that the GPL hasn't gone to court).
Has someone checked to see what GPL software is distributed by SCO with their software distributions (their Linux distro excepted)? If every holder of the copyright in a traditional sense sent them a letter such as this, they may be reminded of what they would be left with that they can distribute if they invalidate the GPL. They may realize that they really don't want to go this route as all they will have to distribute is, well, nothing. And the rest of us would just switch to a BSD.
OK, is this all a conspiracy of the pro-BSD community? Sue Linux users and kill the GPL to promote BSD? --joke Alert
Backups. You know those things I'm supposed to be allowed to make in case my kids scratch their games (or mine for that matter) and my audio CDs as well. Those things we pay a tax on CDRs for that we're not allowed to make according to the industry.
I have 2 small kids and a PlayStation (4 and 5 yeards old). We have (so far) lost 3 Games (Bob the Builder, Blue's Big Musical, and Zoomafoo) for the kids, one of my games that they play (GT3 when GT4 wasn't about to be released) and one DVD (an Elmo) they watch, and one Audio CD of the sound track to Final Fantasy X. Add this up, and you can see that it's getting expensive.
Don't tell me to go buy the games again, I'd rather spend that money on a new game. Don't tell me to get a scratch repair tool, because I have and they are just as likely to ruin a CD as fix it (it intentionally scratches the CD, just in a hopefully uniform manner). And don't tell me not to let my kids play games. They enjoy the games, and they are theirs. Some bought with their own money, others received as gifts. They don't touch my games except for GT3 as that was the first scratched game.
Luckily, the FF X CD was an audio CD I had previously backed up, so my son played the backup while the original sat on the shelf, untouched by his hands. When it scratched, I burned another copy and everything was fine (he had to do some chores to pay for the CDR, but he's 5 and CDRs are cheap).
My son used money he was given to re-buy GT3 to play, in part because he knew I played it as well. He learned a lesson from this, yes, but what he learned from FFX was more valueable - make and pay for backups!
I want to be able to do this with my PlayStation 2, and backups are established as LEGAL!
I keep reading how the idea he uses (sorry, I've only wrapped my mind arount the article, not the paper so far) has been discounted because the Achillies paradox and such have been proven by modern mathematics via the summing of an infite series.
Am I the only one who remembers the saying that lim S n = 2 as n approaches infinity means that it *approaches* 2, not ever *reaching* 2? Shouldn't that mean that the paradox still exists? If it never actually reaches 2, then Achillies is still splitting the difference until the end of time (pun intended). A mathematical proof like this that ignores its own definitions, is no proof in my mind. Zeno seems to be ahead of his time because he stated the problem with using limits as if they were hard values in proofs before mathematics were ever able to solve infinite series summations.
I'm not saying he's right, but discounting him because the paradox has been mathematically proven doesn't make sense to me, especially since I don't agree with the "proof". As I see it, the "proof" actually proves that the paradox still exists. I'm no mathematician, but I've studied enough to be aware of this basic assumption. My.sig seems appropriate in this discussion as a nice disclamer.
Someone please shoot down my logic, since I'd like to know that the hours I spend at work are actually measurable or else my boss will wind up paying me nothing for the zero length of time I can be measured to work.
on a side note, with all the geek discussions, shouldn't Slashcode include support for subscript/superscript?
If you bought it in good faith, you don't get arrested, no. But the cops take the stereo, and you're left to try and get your money back from the sleazeball that sold it to you.
In other words, Linux is not in danger, as the cops knock on our door, take the offending code and we're left with some kernel hacker writing it based on established research papers, such as the RCU paper (sorry, not going to bother to link), and we're stuck getting our money back.
I don't want to both getting my money back from RedHat, as I'm sure they will just release a clean kernel and I can move on.
If this was a stereo we were talking about, it would be a big deal, but this a part of the kernel that will continue to evolve. Open source can evelve - a stereo can not.
I never said they were smart, just that they can do it. Right != intelligent.
I know first hand how much a blow this can be. I go to a trade show, was given a free software title, only to have it taken by the company since that paid for my ticket. I've since left and have been nothing but glad that I did.
If a company wants to piss off employees, they could probably do something like that. Most don't do it over a $0.10 pen or a $0.50 ball that lights up. If they were complaining about a giveaway, then that would be another story.
A drawing at a trade show is usually won by the person, not by the company. The key is the "No puchase necessary" line. If you dropped in your friend's business card who happened to be at home, your friend would probably still get the drawing's prize. If the prize was based on the fact that you *paid* to be there, the company would probably be able to claim ownership.
I've worked at a place that treast people like that, and the blow to morale is huge. Thankfully, I'm at a much beter place now. The company I left are still jerks, and I'm working for a boss that is wonderful.
IANAL... We are not a lawyer... Slashdot is not a lawyer...
I doubt you'll get anything, since the company paid for the merchandise. If you get a "buy one, get one free" your neighbor who told you about the offer doesn't get your freebie. You could ask for the cost of the stamp, but that's about all you'll get. The best you can hope for is to ask for an exemption and to the usage policy and let you tinker with it.
This annoys me so much, I'm tempted to think the question is a troll. Does anyone really think that the PDA wouldn't belong to the company?
Repairs covered by warranty on are Dells are about as common. However, the Dells continue to repair them for 2 years longer than Apple's default warranty.
I'm writing this from a tiBook borrowed from another department because my department now has 2 dead tiBooks, including mine. These two have no working screen, which costs $1240 *each* to repair from Apple. Since you can get a new notebook for less, we may not be bothering to fix them.
During the first year, the story was just as ugly. My tiBook went back 4 times for both screen and logic board related issues. Another co-worker in my department had his start smoking while it was on his lap! His had already been back twice and was replaced by Apple after the smoke. The replacement has been back twice. Titanium may be strong and light from a structural perspective, but it's not good notebook material. After the tiBooks were bought (and after the warranty ran out), we instituted a policy of buying the AppleCare on all Apple products.
Since then, our iBook has been back twice, despite being a year and a half old. The last return just got back. The logic board replacement would have cost $955 as it's a year and a half old. Look at the math and you decide.
You can wait to see if the new alBooks are better in quality, but by the time you find out you may be out of warranty if you don't by the extension.
One thing I've thought of is that back when Apple decided to become more of a "consumer oriented" product to try and shake their overpriced image, they not only dropped SCSI and OS support, they cut their warranty down to a year (the amelio years. I wish they would change this). If you think of it as buying the older quality of Apple at a higher price by including the extended warranty, then do it. My boss gets mad about having to buy a warranty, but I'd pay the price that would jump if they made a higher quality notebook. The 500 series would last through years of abuse.
I normally think extended warranties are a scam, but this is a requirement.
Not even a classified report on this to my knowleged. Apparently there was some sort of investigation, but to my knowledge the results of same (if any) have never seen the light of day.
Did I miss the definition of classified? If it's classified you wouldn't have any knowledge of it if it's not leaked out. For all you know, it's in the missing 28 pages. Classified is incompatible with "the light of day"
I guess the $100 aluminum bike with crappy parts I saw at our good friend Wal-Mart was an illusion. When was the last time you went low-end bike shopping? I didn't bother with the alumninum since with the extra 50lbs I'm carrying around, th e2 lbs it may have saved on the frame just didn't make a difference. (*sigh*)
An Insightful goatse - I'm impressed. It didn't really offend me in this context. I even expected it coming in the cotext you set up, and I'd love to add a "funny" on it for the punchline. Nice website defacement idea.
Too bad screwing with their database technically illegal, since the database is an "asset" for the company. The injection you propose would hurt their asset. You might be removing addresses that opted in (yeah, right).
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Start looking at prices for other states, and you'll realize that Virginia Tech is cheap compared to other places. If you went here and talked to anyone from the North East, they'll probably tell you what costs are like up there, and that it's cheaper out of state at VT than up north. (Quick check of PennSt. just got me $6100/semester IN state. Check some others up north and you'll probably find it gets higher quickly.)
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Also, it's common to give college costs by semester, as saying $20k/year isn't right either as it doesn't include summer classes, which many take (and not just because they fail, but to finish early).
I'm still paying for my college, and it helps to know what you're paying for. Or you can just whine about it on
Make sure the G5 vigilanties DDoS Kevin instead of pulling an SCO style DoS. We could make more jokes about Randy being used to DoS, but this is /. - we don't want to appear mean do we?
For the ones who are questioning this existence, the order is shipping, the racks (a ton of them) are there in the main Computing Center server room. First they required all servers to be moved innto racks. Then they started moving servers around, including removing the Petaplex. The power has been upgraded in the server room (the UPS backup generator actually). This caused a morning of basically all the important servers on campus having to go down for one day in the summer - I hated waking up to go switch off machines for that one. The AC has been upgraded to accomidate the huge amount of heat to be put out. It was't until I heard about the cluster that all the chages in the Machine Room made sense. Now they're recruiting help to do the grunt work of putting all the machines in the racks.
/. link to the campus geek list (If someone hasn't beaten me to it).
/. since a cluster this size is noteworthy of the frontpage. (Rumor - and this is rumor sice I haven't goe to direct sources on this - is that it will not be running OS X, and probably BlackLab or YellowDog or SuSE.)
The stated objective was to be on the next 500 list. Dell and HP were considered, but they couldn't fill the order in time (possibly as they have made announcements of other large clusters recently) and Apple promised delivery after someone leaked the story of the cluster meetign with Dell and HP to Apple and Apple jumped at the chance.
Basically, the story is not a rumor from the point of view of the geeks on campus who have been effected by the preperations. I'll probably post the
I'm disapointed about this being only on the Apple section of
President Steiger's stated intention his first year in office was to be in the top 25(?) research instutions. The decision to spend the money on this is probaby connected to that initiative. I'm not sure where the fuding came from, but I doubt they could do this without a lot of approval from the top.
As I see it, here's the "logic" of calling OSS Communistic.
To many (esp in the US) "communism" is the antagonist of "capitolism". "Capitolism" == "American" == doing things for money. OSS is not about doing it for money, but for the good of the community, so it must be Communist.
I never said it was *good* logic, but I wouldn't be suprised if this was the root of the Communist argument.
Coming from a parent of a child with Apraxia due to prematurity (she canComing from a parent of a child with Apraxia due to prematurity (she can't control her mouth and tongue muscles well enough to speak), I'd like to ask any developers with a desire to work on a feel good project to get into this. If you want to feel like you're making a real difference, this beats programming the latest video game (and I'm a gamer).
/. for posting something that proves the power of people, not just the power of open source. I'll thank the programmers with my help and praise, but I'd like to thank joukev for catching it, and michael for posting it (and all the little people in the world for making me tall). /. has done it's good deed for the day.
This is probably the motivation that will get me to learn Perl finally. This could give my child (who also has trouble signing ASL) a voice, and it's not costing an arm and a leg (ok, so she'd need a notebook to take with her, but that's minor compared to the potential).
For the first time since I've been reading it, I'm proud of
This is the way I've always done it. I'd been pondering a shareware app to wrap the necessary niutil commands to do this via GUI, but I may just kill that idea (asuming someone hasn't already done it) since Apple has put my favorite as default (and let the tcsh users eat cake).
Now if only Apple would put the shell choice in the user creation CP *where it belongs*.
Even if copyright were similar to trademark in that it had to be enforced to remain in place, the GPL has been enforced via social pressure on vendors found shipping GPL software w/o making source available. I'm going to lunch, so I'll skip the link I should insert to the /. stories, but I know Linksys was one of the vendors pressured into releasing source. So far, legal pressure has not been necessary, as social pressure has been sufficient (which is also the reason that the GPL hasn't gone to court).
Has someone checked to see what GPL software is distributed by SCO with their software distributions (their Linux distro excepted)? If every holder of the copyright in a traditional sense sent them a letter such as this, they may be reminded of what they would be left with that they can distribute if they invalidate the GPL. They may realize that they really don't want to go this route as all they will have to distribute is, well, nothing. And the rest of us would just switch to a BSD.
OK, is this all a conspiracy of the pro-BSD community? Sue Linux users and kill the GPL to promote BSD? --joke Alert
IIRC, Christoph Hellwig mentioned something about SCO likely having code that wouldn't survive review on lkml. Seems that it didn't.
And me w/o any mod points to spend...
This ovservation puts the code shown out of the kernel already. Move along...no code left to see here...
Finally proof that SCO is run by toddlers!!
Backups. You know those things I'm supposed to be allowed to make in case my kids scratch their games (or mine for that matter) and my audio CDs as well. Those things we pay a tax on CDRs for that we're not allowed to make according to the industry.
I have 2 small kids and a PlayStation (4 and 5 yeards old). We have (so far) lost 3 Games (Bob the Builder, Blue's Big Musical, and Zoomafoo) for the kids, one of my games that they play (GT3 when GT4 wasn't about to be released) and one DVD (an Elmo) they watch, and one Audio CD of the sound track to Final Fantasy X. Add this up, and you can see that it's getting expensive.
Don't tell me to go buy the games again, I'd rather spend that money on a new game. Don't tell me to get a scratch repair tool, because I have and they are just as likely to ruin a CD as fix it (it intentionally scratches the CD, just in a hopefully uniform manner). And don't tell me not to let my kids play games. They enjoy the games, and they are theirs. Some bought with their own money, others received as gifts. They don't touch my games except for GT3 as that was the first scratched game.
Luckily, the FF X CD was an audio CD I had previously backed up, so my son played the backup while the original sat on the shelf, untouched by his hands. When it scratched, I burned another copy and everything was fine (he had to do some chores to pay for the CDR, but he's 5 and CDRs are cheap).
My son used money he was given to re-buy GT3 to play, in part because he knew I played it as well. He learned a lesson from this, yes, but what he learned from FFX was more valueable - make and pay for backups!
I want to be able to do this with my PlayStation 2, and backups are established as LEGAL!
I'm currently pulling down a 44k stream. Your contribution dollars at work, all to survive /.
I keep reading how the idea he uses (sorry, I've only wrapped my mind arount the article, not the paper so far) has been discounted because the Achillies paradox and such have been proven by modern mathematics via the summing of an infite series.
.sig seems appropriate in this discussion as a nice disclamer.
Am I the only one who remembers the saying that lim S n = 2 as n approaches infinity means that it *approaches* 2, not ever *reaching* 2? Shouldn't that mean that the paradox still exists? If it never actually reaches 2, then Achillies is still splitting the difference until the end of time (pun intended). A mathematical proof like this that ignores its own definitions, is no proof in my mind. Zeno seems to be ahead of his time because he stated the problem with using limits as if they were hard values in proofs before mathematics were ever able to solve infinite series summations.
I'm not saying he's right, but discounting him because the paradox has been mathematically proven doesn't make sense to me, especially since I don't agree with the "proof". As I see it, the "proof" actually proves that the paradox still exists. I'm no mathematician, but I've studied enough to be aware of this basic assumption. My
Someone please shoot down my logic, since I'd like to know that the hours I spend at work are actually measurable or else my boss will wind up paying me nothing for the zero length of time I can be measured to work.
on a side note, with all the geek discussions, shouldn't Slashcode include support for subscript/superscript?
If you bought it in good faith, you don't get arrested, no. But the cops take the stereo, and you're left to try and get your money back from the sleazeball that sold it to you.
In other words, Linux is not in danger, as the cops knock on our door, take the offending code and we're left with some kernel hacker writing it based on established research papers, such as the RCU paper (sorry, not going to bother to link), and we're stuck getting our money back.
I don't want to both getting my money back from RedHat, as I'm sure they will just release a clean kernel and I can move on.
If this was a stereo we were talking about, it would be a big deal, but this a part of the kernel that will continue to evolve. Open source can evelve - a stereo can not.
I never said they were smart, just that they can do it. Right != intelligent.
I know first hand how much a blow this can be. I go to a trade show, was given a free software title, only to have it taken by the company since that paid for my ticket. I've since left and have been nothing but glad that I did.
If a company wants to piss off employees, they could probably do something like that. Most don't do it over a $0.10 pen or a $0.50 ball that lights up. If they were complaining about a giveaway, then that would be another story.
A drawing at a trade show is usually won by the person, not by the company. The key is the "No puchase necessary" line. If you dropped in your friend's business card who happened to be at home, your friend would probably still get the drawing's prize. If the prize was based on the fact that you *paid* to be there, the company would probably be able to claim ownership.
I've worked at a place that treast people like that, and the blow to morale is huge. Thankfully, I'm at a much beter place now. The company I left are still jerks, and I'm working for a boss that is wonderful.
IANAL...
We are not a lawyer...
Slashdot is not a lawyer...
I doubt you'll get anything, since the company paid for the merchandise. If you get a "buy one, get one free" your neighbor who told you about the offer doesn't get your freebie. You could ask for the cost of the stamp, but that's about all you'll get. The best you can hope for is to ask for an exemption and to the usage policy and let you tinker with it.
This annoys me so much, I'm tempted to think the question is a troll. Does anyone really think that the PDA wouldn't belong to the company?
Repairs covered by warranty on are Dells are about as common. However, the Dells continue to repair them for 2 years longer than Apple's default warranty.
These screens were failing or had lines, not cracks. They would have been covered under warranty.
I'm writing this from a tiBook borrowed from another department because my department now has 2 dead tiBooks, including mine. These two have no working screen, which costs $1240 *each* to repair from Apple. Since you can get a new notebook for less, we may not be bothering to fix them.
During the first year, the story was just as ugly. My tiBook went back 4 times for both screen and logic board related issues. Another co-worker in my department had his start smoking while it was on his lap! His had already been back twice and was replaced by Apple after the smoke. The replacement has been back twice. Titanium may be strong and light from a structural perspective, but it's not good notebook material. After the tiBooks were bought (and after the warranty ran out), we instituted a policy of buying the AppleCare on all Apple products.
Since then, our iBook has been back twice, despite being a year and a half old. The last return just got back. The logic board replacement would have cost $955 as it's a year and a half old. Look at the math and you decide.
You can wait to see if the new alBooks are better in quality, but by the time you find out you may be out of warranty if you don't by the extension.
One thing I've thought of is that back when Apple decided to become more of a "consumer oriented" product to try and shake their overpriced image, they not only dropped SCSI and OS support, they cut their warranty down to a year (the amelio years. I wish they would change this). If you think of it as buying the older quality of Apple at a higher price by including the extended warranty, then do it. My boss gets mad about having to buy a warranty, but I'd pay the price that would jump if they made a higher quality notebook. The 500 series would last through years of abuse.
I normally think extended warranties are a scam, but this is a requirement.
Not even a classified report on this to my knowleged. Apparently there was some sort of investigation, but to my knowledge the results of same (if any) have never seen the light of day.
Did I miss the definition of classified? If it's classified you wouldn't have any knowledge of it if it's not leaked out. For all you know, it's in the missing 28 pages. Classified is incompatible with "the light of day"
I guess the $100 aluminum bike with crappy parts I saw at our good friend Wal-Mart was an illusion. When was the last time you went low-end bike shopping? I didn't bother with the alumninum since with the extra 50lbs I'm carrying around, th e2 lbs it may have saved on the frame just didn't make a difference. (*sigh*)
An Insightful goatse - I'm impressed. It didn't really offend me in this context. I even expected it coming in the cotext you set up, and I'd love to add a "funny" on it for the punchline. Nice website defacement idea.
Too bad screwing with their database technically illegal, since the database is an "asset" for the company. The injection you propose would hurt their asset. You might be removing addresses that opted in (yeah, right).
I wouldn't try this at home, kids.