Here are Microsoft's earnings for its Europe, Middle East, and Africa region for the most recent quarters in million:
March 2000 - 2018
June 2000 - 1151 (Wow! major drop)
September 2000 - 1085
December 2000 - 1430
March 2001 - 1204
June 2001 - 1145 (a significant decline given the growth MS has seen in other regions over this period)
From the year ended June 30 2001 as compared to the previous fiscal year, Microsoft's revenue decreased from 5,020 to 4,864 millions in this region. We can say that Microsoft's revenue is constantly flat or declining in this region.
This is the same region where SuSe derives most of its revenue. Howerver, SuSe has consistently grown in revenue over this time period, their growth has been dramatically different as compared to MS.
If a monopolist like Microsoft can't grow in this region over this time period, who can?
Microsoft funded an interesting preliminary implementation of Python for.NET. They did this last year. That project hasn't gone anywhere following that. Mostly because very few in the Python community are interested in maintaining such a beast. Question: does.NET Python support the changes in Python 2.1?
So you are just the unwittingly conveyor of more MS propoganda: THAT.NET supports like 20 different programming languages. Thats why MS wants you to think: "Come write your software in.NET, you can use just about whatever programming language you want."
It turns out that if you like to program in VB or C#,.NET is just the thing for you.
Microsoft funded an interesting preliminary implementation of Python for.NET. They did this last year. That project hasn't gone anywhere following that. Mostly because very few in the Python community are interested in maintaining such a beast. Question: does.NET Python support the changes in Python 2.1?
So you are just the unwittingly conveyor of more MS propoganda: THAT.NET supports like 20 different programming languages. Thats why MS wants you to think: "Come write your software in.NET, you can use just about whatever programming language you want."
It turns out that if you like to program in VB or C#,.NET is just the thing for you.
No. There isn't a signficant market for what you describe as "anyone needing to buy a new OS". This obvious includes the linux market, the gamer market (which is a very small part of the PC market), the programmer/pc enthusiast market.
The amount of revenue that is generated by people who have this desire to run the latest and greatest OS, and therefore must upgrade their machines, is an insignificant drop in the PC industry bucket. Almost totally meaningless.
The "replace my email reader and office file writer because MS released XP" incentive for the vast majority of computer users simply doesn't exist.
Oh, that explains it all. Because the new MS OS has this label stuck on it, "Official Consumer OS", people will be drawn to spend thousands upgrading to new machines.
Thank you for your thorough and enlightening explanation. Millions of people will toss their ~300 mhz systems that run Win98 just fine and allow them to read their email and write their documents (but can't run XP) just be MS came out with a new "Consumer OS".
Uhh. Microsoft, your "star player in the world economy" did only slightly over 1 billion in revenue in the whole of Europe. That number went DOWN signficantly from the previous quarter.
The world is seeing MS as exactly what is: a giant US capital sucking leech that puts nothing back into the local economies.
People didn't buy new machines to run Win2K, because people didn't buy Win2K. Win2K sales were quite low. If people didn't buy Win2k then why are people going to buy XP?
Two quarters ago MS made something like 6.5 billion. Last quarter they made something like 6.4. That's right MS total revenue went DOWN last quarter, particularly in Europe.
Now we are well after the launch of Office XP and Microsoft's predicted revenues for this quarter are 6.5 to 6.6 billion. That's right the vaunted MS money machine that at one time clipped along at 10 to 15% per quarter revenue growth has managed to only maintain their revenue following the launch of the next version of their biggest money maker, MS Office. Also, the most recent MS quarter was adjusted upward due to acquistion of Great Plains.
Windows ME didn't create more PC sales, Windows 2k didn't. Now why exactly is XP suddenly going to convince people to drop 1K on a new machine?
What's interesting is that their European earnings went down. I don't know if that's due to number juggling or what. The US tech spending decline was only supposed to be just hitting the EU.
Is the Microsoft Shared Source campaign really accomplishing nothing at this point or what?
It took all of the blind arrogance that Microsoft could muster to send the poor sap Mundie into this Forum. I almost have pity for the shill for the pummeling that he is enduring. Will Mundie's managers now throw in the towel at this point?
Microsoft should wise up and realize that their man Mundie is now stinking up more than a small conference room in NYC.
I couldn't stand to read any more of this book after about page 35. The author spends most of the first 35 pages going into incredibly boring detail about Microsoft's "vaunted" hiring practices. No one is interested in this anymore. The curtain has been drawn away. Microsoft's silver palace of software development has long since been revealed as the seedy backstreet mafiaso shack where Gates works over his competitors.
This author's viewpoint might have been interesting if printed in 1995. As it stands today, the vast majority of the people that I went to school with wouldn't go to work for Microsoft from (1) ethical reasons, (2) windows is no longer considered "cool" or interesting. The real question today is how many good brains never consider or are repulsed at the very idea of working in Redmond.
Question number 1: If you can't educate your own CEO, who can you educate?
Recent comments by Steve Ballmer, MS CEO, have made it very apparent that he has either (1) little or no understanding of the GPL/Open Source community, or (2) his is a big fat LIAR. What exactly is the point of the Microsoft Shared Source campaign, if leaders of Microsoft fail to grasp the basics of the issues at hand?
Question number 2: How does it feel to be a Shill?
If your Shared Source argument and position is, in fact, a farce, a marketing ploy, a pile of bald faced lies, good old fashioned FUD, how does this make you feel as individual and your own personal worth as a human being. From reading your resume, you seemed to have had a one point in time an geniune interest in technology. You seem to be nothing more than a stuffed shirt spokesman who mindlessly utters whatever FUD that Ballmer and company tell you to.
Question number 3: Are the limited credibility resources of Microsoft better spent elsewhere?
If Microsoft wants to embrace open standards and be accepted in the broader (non-desktop) computing market, then why is it wasting its credibility in putting out so much baseless FUD as the Shared Source/anti-Open Source campaign?
Actually, they raised their sights. Sun didn't gain 25% of server market share over three years time. Linux did.
>>paranoid looney take
You are clearly lost in your own mind. You would rather spend time debating whether using the term "threat" is "paranoid looney", than considering the reality of situation. You seem possessed of the rather ridiculous idea that operating systems can "rise" and "fall", or be used or rejected by large segments of the operating system purchasing market, due to flamewars on technology discussion sites like this one. This idea is so clearly without an basis in reality that I don't even know where to begin.
>>Great fucking way to sell your product.
I am not here to "sell my product". I am not here to refer a large nameless group of people as "idoits" as your flawed mind does. I am here to point out that your previous post was completely irrational.
Microsoft is scared of its competitors.
Linux is a competitor of Microsoft.
Therefore, Microsoft is scared of Linux.
It is a well known fact that the MS corporate atmosphere has been structured around paranoia. It is a well known and documented fact that Bill Gates himself is an insecure, given to temper tantrums, paranoid panty waste.
Microsoft executives have stated that Linux is its #1 competitor/threat. 27% of official servers shipped last year shipped with Linux. Is it possible that a few of those Linux servers are used as File/Print servers? HP ships small boxes that do nothing but use SAMBA. My company has replace 6 of 7 NT files servers with SAMBA.
Why are simply deductions like these so hard for the brain washed Microfoft drones?
ThinkNic (www.thinknic.com) turns a profit on a $200.00 box that contains about 80% of the hardware that is needed for a game console.
Throw a 700 megahertz Cyrix III (.13 mm manufacturing which doesn't require a heat sink and fan), a GeForce 2 MX, a smallish hard drive, and a couple game controllers, into a ThinkNIC box and walla, you have yourself a piece of technology that can do 90% of what the XBox does. And you didn't spend the billion that MS did on R&D.
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Ximian is a company that was until just recently led by Nate and Miguel. Although these guys have done some good coding its been far too obvious that neither of them have the objectivity and dispassionate sense that it takes to lead a corporation.
Instead of making product for the most installed desktop version of Linux (mandrake), they would rather spend their time debating with the Linux community about placing inane and unethical ads on Google.
Microsoft recently funded a semi-functional version of Python for.NET. However, there is still a lot of work remaining before Python can officially be said to be among the esteemed ranks of the.NET capable languages.
Do you have any thing positive or negative to say about this port? More generally, do you have any opinion on the language neutral approach of Microsoft's common language runtime (CLR)?
My personal opinion is the the CLR is neutering these languages. To you these languages inside the CLR, you have to use (1) common data types and (2) common class libraries. Those two items are major parts of speaking in a programming language. What you are left with is whatever bits of the language syntax that Microsoft (or the.NET language porter) chose to include. Its almost like every language in.NET is a scripting language. Python taken to a wild and crazed extreme!
I like the windows-style widgets. There is something to be said for their simplisticity and ubiquitousness.
When I use GTK based environments with the GTK wigdets skin, I feel like I am using a really badly broken, klunky, and unprofessional copy of a windows95 machine.
GTK windows widgets just plain blow. They don't render correctly. What's more, no effort seems to be going into improving them. They have been locked into the Gnome never never land for two to three years, with no significant improvement.
As to merits of French design and the perils involved there, just look at Mandrake. Mandrake's whole nursery school, light blue theme is pure sh*t. DrakeConf (the X version) is the most pathetically designed application I have seen in years from a major distro.
>>article discusses using clapped out 486 boxes as X-Terminals
if you had bothered to read the article you might have noticed that they replaced the 486's with diskless machines from ThinkNIC
>>there isn't any poor sad git
Your entire paragraph here is nonsensical, or at the very least we are talking about two very different things. I am talking about using OSS to save people money. THAT is what this Slashdot article is about.
>>you can buy Citrix or us WinNT terminal services
Since when is this discussion about having school districts and other cash strapped orgs spend the mega bucks that WinNT terminal services cost?
>>you simply have no understanding of the market in question
market in question? you have retreated to bullshit market speak because you realize that your argument "recession will make dotNet" makes no sense. You completely ignored the obvious rebuttal that in desperate times companies stick to what works not beta software from MS that no one in any serious business position is going consider as some kind of recessionary liferaft.
That school saved a large amount of money through using Linux. That school is saving money everyday because of reduced maintenance costs.
Your 400 dollar Office example as the only way that people save through using Linux is the real BARMY here.
As to why you bother to theorize that companies will shift to a.NET application development environment, a move that will cost significant amount of resources (new development tools, upgraded hardware to run it, retraining), I can't even begin to wonder. My guess is you are a brainwashed MS troll/moron.
The cost to corporate America just to retrain all of its VB programmers to use the new VB.Net will alone probably be BILLIONS. VB is now a completely different language. A former MS VB project manager refers to VB.NET as Visual Fred. People are going to ditch all of their old development tools and practices, spend BILLIONS on.NET. Funny stuff.
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Here are Microsoft's earnings for its Europe, Middle East, and Africa region for the most recent quarters in million:
March 2000 - 2018
June 2000 - 1151 (Wow! major drop)
September 2000 - 1085
December 2000 - 1430
March 2001 - 1204
June 2001 - 1145 (a significant decline given the growth MS has seen in other regions over this period)
From the year ended June 30 2001 as compared to the previous fiscal year, Microsoft's revenue decreased from 5,020 to 4,864 millions in this region. We can say that Microsoft's revenue is constantly flat or declining in this region.
This is the same region where SuSe derives most of its revenue. Howerver, SuSe has consistently grown in revenue over this time period, their growth has been dramatically different as compared to MS.
If a monopolist like Microsoft can't grow in this region over this time period, who can?
Microsoft funded an interesting preliminary implementation of Python for
So you are just the unwittingly conveyor of more MS propoganda: THAT
It turns out that if you like to program in VB or C#,
Microsoft funded an interesting preliminary implementation of Python for
So you are just the unwittingly conveyor of more MS propoganda: THAT
It turns out that if you like to program in VB or C#,
No. There isn't a signficant market for what you describe as "anyone needing to buy a new OS". This obvious includes the linux market, the gamer market (which is a very small part of the PC market), the programmer/pc enthusiast market.
The amount of revenue that is generated by people who have this desire to run the latest and greatest OS, and therefore must upgrade their machines, is an insignificant drop in the PC industry bucket. Almost totally meaningless.
The "replace my email reader and office file writer because MS released XP" incentive for the vast majority of computer users simply doesn't exist.
Oh, that explains it all. Because the new MS OS has this label stuck on it, "Official Consumer OS", people will be drawn to spend thousands upgrading to new machines.
Thank you for your thorough and enlightening explanation. Millions of people will toss their ~300 mhz systems that run Win98 just fine and allow them to read their email and write their documents (but can't run XP) just be MS came out with a new "Consumer OS".
Uhh. Microsoft, your "star player in the world economy" did only slightly over 1 billion in revenue in the whole of Europe. That number went DOWN signficantly from the previous quarter.
The world is seeing MS as exactly what is: a giant US capital sucking leech that puts nothing back into the local economies.
I'd say it isn't obvious.
People didn't buy new machines to run Win2K, because people didn't buy Win2K. Win2K sales were quite low. If people didn't buy Win2k then why are people going to buy XP?
... which means to say it really really won't.
Two quarters ago MS made something like 6.5 billion. Last quarter they made something like 6.4. That's right MS total revenue went DOWN last quarter, particularly in Europe.
Now we are well after the launch of Office XP and Microsoft's predicted revenues for this quarter are 6.5 to 6.6 billion. That's right the vaunted MS money machine that at one time clipped along at 10 to 15% per quarter revenue growth has managed to only maintain their revenue following the launch of the next version of their biggest money maker, MS Office. Also, the most recent MS quarter was adjusted upward due to acquistion of Great Plains.
Windows ME didn't create more PC sales, Windows 2k didn't. Now why exactly is XP suddenly going to convince people to drop 1K on a new machine?
What's interesting is that their European earnings went down. I don't know if that's due to number juggling or what. The US tech spending decline was only supposed to be just hitting the EU.
One of Bill Gates largest non-MS diversions is biology. He is a major biotech investor.
So why is Mundie using the word "ecosystem". His boss Bill G has been instructing (read telling him what to say) about MS stance on this issue.
Is the Microsoft Shared Source campaign really accomplishing nothing at this point or what?
It took all of the blind arrogance that Microsoft could muster to send the poor sap Mundie into this Forum. I almost have pity for the shill for the pummeling that he is enduring. Will Mundie's managers now throw in the towel at this point?
Microsoft should wise up and realize that their man Mundie is now stinking up more than a small conference room in NYC.
I couldn't stand to read any more of this book after about page 35. The author spends most of the first 35 pages going into incredibly boring detail about Microsoft's "vaunted" hiring practices. No one is interested in this anymore. The curtain has been drawn away. Microsoft's silver palace of software development has long since been revealed as the seedy backstreet mafiaso shack where Gates works over his competitors.
This author's viewpoint might have been interesting if printed in 1995. As it stands today, the vast majority of the people that I went to school with wouldn't go to work for Microsoft from (1) ethical reasons, (2) windows is no longer considered "cool" or interesting. The real question today is how many good brains never consider or are repulsed at the very idea of working in Redmond.
Perhaps I don't want to be bothered to drop the thing into its recharger ever single night. Thats one more thing to worry about that I don't want to.
A few of the developers are compiling all of the Agenda apps as Snowed (with static memory locations). This has sped up the Agenda quite noticeably.
A guy on the Agenda VR mailing list is working on solar power for the Agenda. And Apache has been ported to the Agenda.
Question number 1: If you can't educate your own CEO, who can you educate?
Recent comments by Steve Ballmer, MS CEO, have made it very apparent that he has either (1) little or no understanding of the GPL/Open Source community, or (2) his is a big fat LIAR. What exactly is the point of the Microsoft Shared Source campaign, if leaders of Microsoft fail to grasp the basics of the issues at hand?
Question number 2: How does it feel to be a Shill?
If your Shared Source argument and position is, in fact, a farce, a marketing ploy, a pile of bald faced lies, good old fashioned FUD, how does this make you feel as individual and your own personal worth as a human being. From reading your resume, you seemed to have had a one point in time an geniune interest in technology. You seem to be nothing more than a stuffed shirt spokesman who mindlessly utters whatever FUD that Ballmer and company tell you to.
Question number 3: Are the limited credibility resources of Microsoft better spent elsewhere?
If Microsoft wants to embrace open standards and be accepted in the broader (non-desktop) computing market, then why is it wasting its credibility in putting out so much baseless FUD as the Shared Source/anti-Open Source campaign?
>>Have they given up or just lowered their sites?
Actually, they raised their sights. Sun didn't gain 25% of server market share over three years time. Linux did.
>>paranoid looney take
You are clearly lost in your own mind. You would rather spend time debating whether using the term "threat" is "paranoid looney", than considering the reality of situation. You seem possessed of the rather ridiculous idea that operating systems can "rise" and "fall", or be used or rejected by large segments of the operating system purchasing market, due to flamewars on technology discussion sites like this one. This idea is so clearly without an basis in reality that I don't even know where to begin.
>>Great fucking way to sell your product.
I am not here to "sell my product". I am not here to refer a large nameless group of people as "idoits" as your flawed mind does. I am here to point out that your previous post was completely irrational.
Microsoft is scared of its competitors.
Linux is a competitor of Microsoft.
Therefore, Microsoft is scared of Linux.
It is a well known fact that the MS corporate atmosphere has been structured around paranoia. It is a well known and documented fact that Bill Gates himself is an insecure, given to temper tantrums, paranoid panty waste.
Microsoft executives have stated that Linux is its #1 competitor/threat. 27% of official servers shipped last year shipped with Linux. Is it possible that a few of those Linux servers are used as File/Print servers? HP ships small boxes that do nothing but use SAMBA. My company has replace 6 of 7 NT files servers with SAMBA.
Why are simply deductions like these so hard for the brain washed Microfoft drones?
ThinkNic (www.thinknic.com) turns a profit on a $200.00 box that contains about 80% of the hardware that is needed for a game console.
Throw a 700 megahertz Cyrix III (.13 mm manufacturing which doesn't require a heat sink and fan), a GeForce 2 MX, a smallish hard drive, and a couple game controllers, into a ThinkNIC box and walla, you have yourself a piece of technology that can do 90% of what the XBox does. And you didn't spend the billion that MS did on R&D.
Ximian is a company that was until just recently led by Nate and Miguel. Although these guys have done some good coding its been far too obvious that neither of them have the objectivity and dispassionate sense that it takes to lead a corporation.
Instead of making product for the most installed desktop version of Linux (mandrake), they would rather spend their time debating with the Linux community about placing inane and unethical ads on Google.
Microsoft recently funded a semi-functional version of Python for
Do you have any thing positive or negative to say about this port? More generally, do you have any opinion on the language neutral approach of Microsoft's common language runtime (CLR)?
My personal opinion is the the CLR is neutering these languages. To you these languages inside the CLR, you have to use (1) common data types and (2) common class libraries. Those two items are major parts of speaking in a programming language. What you are left with is whatever bits of the language syntax that Microsoft (or the
I like the windows-style widgets. There is something to be said for their simplisticity and ubiquitousness.
When I use GTK based environments with the GTK wigdets skin, I feel like I am using a really badly broken, klunky, and unprofessional copy of a windows95 machine.
GTK windows widgets just plain blow. They don't render correctly. What's more, no effort seems to be going into improving them. They have been locked into the Gnome never never land for two to three years, with no significant improvement.
As to merits of French design and the perils involved there, just look at Mandrake. Mandrake's whole nursery school, light blue theme is pure sh*t. DrakeConf (the X version) is the most pathetically designed application I have seen in years from a major distro.
>>but I don't really know how often that happens
It happens a lot. The most popular desktop distro in the US has a menuing system where KDE apps and Gnome apps exist side by side.
Everyone I know has their favorite KDE apps along with Gnome apps.
Don't be blinded by the fact that you've got fools moding your post for no apparent reason.
>>article discusses using clapped out 486 boxes as X-Terminals
if you had bothered to read the article you might have noticed that they replaced the 486's with diskless machines from ThinkNIC
>>there isn't any poor sad git
Your entire paragraph here is nonsensical, or at the very least we are talking about two very different things. I am talking about using OSS to save people money. THAT is what this Slashdot article is about.
>>you can buy Citrix or us WinNT terminal services
Since when is this discussion about having school districts and other cash strapped orgs spend the mega bucks that WinNT terminal services cost?
>>you simply have no understanding of the market in question
market in question? you have retreated to bullshit market speak because you realize that your argument "recession will make dotNet" makes no sense. You completely ignored the obvious rebuttal that in desperate times companies stick to what works not beta software from MS that no one in any serious business position is going consider as some kind of recessionary liferaft.
Here's some figures for you:
http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/chobbs/xterms
That school saved a large amount of money through using Linux. That school is saving money everyday because of reduced maintenance costs.
Your 400 dollar Office example as the only way that people save through using Linux is the real BARMY here.
As to why you bother to theorize that companies will shift to a
The cost to corporate America just to retrain all of its VB programmers to use the new VB.Net will alone probably be BILLIONS. VB is now a completely different language. A former MS VB project manager refers to VB.NET as Visual Fred. People are going to ditch all of their old development tools and practices, spend BILLIONS on