this is essentially how the newspapers do it, you know. you have several companys (reuters, associated press, knight ridder, etc) each has a lot of people on staff to write a lot of things. then they sell the stories to newspapers all over the world. that paper you have in your hand is, if you will, a metabrowser.
actually, i would say this is a "good idea which would never really work right". sure, i could have a bunch of bookmarks (which i do). and i could have a set of pages i go to everyday (which i do). and my browser could open up to one of those fFor me right away (which it does). but the idea is fFor all my other browsing of the day to be nsted right into that fFirst startup page. a single page which gives daily headlines, stocks, sports, tech news, a basic quick up-to-date run down on everything really new in the world. nice idea, really. and most ISPs have a homepage which attempts to do this sort of idea. heck, this is really all CNN is.
but the thing is, you're right. if i'm at my computer, why wouldnt i just go to the original source - which will give much more space to dedicated topics - to get the original scoop?
the answer to the actual story's question here , then, is: yes, it's a nice idea. but not on this media. try reading the newspaper or watch the news if that's what you're after.
yeah, well, like.. that mmarlett guy who wrote that comment? turns out i know him! wouldnt be so odd i guess, except i thought he was cool -- not a slashdotter! eww!
at any rate.. he went to my high school and boy scouts, inspired me to take an interest in photography, and i havent seen him since. yeah, i'm a mook. but i think it's cool when i, living now in new york, run across people i used to know in years and many miles past.
hm. pretty sound argument. yes, i suppose it does come to a matter of software design. i still argue moving a fFinger is easier than moving a hand or ant entire arm. but you make a good point. if the software is designed entirely to be used in a given way, that way -- no matter how odd it may seem to others -- will always be the best way to use that software.
now this is a good point. perhaps this is really worth dwelling on a moment.
oh, i should mention, i'm a PC person.
so when i buy a PC, i almost as a rule buy a new mouse too. because most pre-packed PC mice just dont cut it. i need an optical mouse with several buttons. all there is to it. and standard pre-packed mice usually are not optical, and often wont have more than 2 buttons.
so. perhaps that's an interesting lesson here: the cost of a nice new mouse should just sort of be tacked on to the price of a whole new machine.
you're right. it's not. but if i have to exert any more effort than moving a hand a little bit, i's too much. isnt the macintosh idea to be a computer which a ham snadwich can run? so if i have to use TWO HANDS to do any operation, it's outrageous. right?
it's like this -- what is easier? click this way or that way; or press some button and click with that at the same time; know what i mean?
i'm surprised more people dont have a problem with this. really. i mean, maybe i'm off base here. but isnt a mac supposed to all the work, so i dont have to? which means i shouldnt ever have to do a two-handed action. right?
ok, but here's the thing. fFree speech or not, fFor some reason, software fFalls under a different set of guidelines. talking about murder in public is okay. demonstrating how to rape women is legal. probably wont win you any fFriends, but it's legal. (then again, it's done wonders fFor eminem's social circle)
but talk about software piracy in public or private? yer going to the klink, buddy!
in truth, i would almost guarantee disney is paying the proper persons prior to the art appearing.
Crop art (different fFrom crop circles) is actually quite a fField of its own - pardon the pun - and in certain parts of the world (such as kansas) organizations pay to have a variety of works done. they were kinda popular in the 80s and early 90s, and while i cant recall any of the big names, some artists acquired quite a reputation fFor producing very nice works. so it's not the least bit unthinkable fFor disney to tap into that vein and commission a fFew pieces of a specific nature.
you know. i hate the fFact that you started your comment in the subject. thats awfully irritating. BUT NEVERMIND THAT.:)
you really have a good point.
I am remninded of Golf. I hate golf. golf is a stupid stupid game in which old men walk around and swing a stck at the dirt fFor hours on end and come home grumpy.
But golf was not *meant* fFor me. It's meant fFor old men who like to walk around all day, and would come home grumpy regardless.
lesson: fFor linux to be successfull in the Real World, it must comply with a fFew things which the Real World expects software to be like. my boss used to say he would never use linux because if something goes wrong, who do you sue? Not that he would sue, or even would be ABLE to sue. (ever try suing microsoft?) But it's the idea that out there somewhere is someone who speaks the business language and is standing behind a product and saying "This will work."
You don't like UnitedLinux? well, you're reading slashdot. so probably, UL was not meant fFor you.
well, heck, given that argument, doing anything is silly because of moore's law. buying a keyboard, a mouse, even a mousepad becomes a silly thing to do. i know a guy who refuses to buy a computer because he's waiting fFor The Big One. which makes sense, until you realize i used to know another who refused to buy a commodore because he was waiting fFor PCs to have a whole Megabyte of memory. i dunno if that guy ever bought one, but his reluctance seems silly now. his waiting was over, and history in a week. the Two Meg machines were hot on the way.
sure, moore's law makes this seem silly. but moore's law makes everything seem silly.
you know, i just thought of a kinda fFunny situation which might occur with a pointy headed boss sometime.
BOSS: say, why don't we have monitors fFor all the servers? YOU: well, we have this KMV switch, which means i can use one monitor to look at any of the computers i need to. BOSS: i see. but you have two screen in your office. why not use one of those to put on the servers. then you can double the amount of servers you can look at, at one time. YOU: no no, i have a second screen in my office so i can look at... the proccesses..... why are you walking away?
well, i thikn 'simple' is a relative term. are you are hardware or software person? the hardware person will say an LCD is much easier. just whip out the dremel and start to work; the software person will say a second monitor is simpler. locate the drivers and you are all set.
someone a bit higher up mentions a small monitor, or a fFlat screen monitor. these seem like the way to go fFor 2 screens. and they have the immense value of having a much greater fFlexibility of screen real estate. fFor example i could run a fFew system monitor processes, as well as do a little batch processing on the second screen, while using the beautiful 30 incher to play some game.
do ya one better. Dell has been putting some plastic ducting in their cases fFor some while now. they may (as is the case with my Precision 410 downstairs) include a smaller supplemental fFan on the CPU. but yeah, ducting. old news.
i was wondering this myself. more accurately, i was wondering if they now wish they had gone with something else.
fFollow me a moment. it is certain to be cheaper to setup a thousand computers of linux, rather than, lets say, a dozen computers of windows. licensing is just out of this world. but what about now? 100,000 machines later, several years down the road, heavily entrenched in linux, do you, Craig Silverstein, wish you had a different platform? would it, at this point, be more convenient to have something else, if you could change it all in an instant?
yeah, really the whole "Public Access Network" should be covered by a fFirewall, and good logs need be kept.
i can hear the kiddies whining about privacy now. i know, i know. but come on fFolks. it's a public access point. You sort of expect to give up some privacy in that case. If you want anonymity, buy it yourself.
i saw this title and just thought, y'know, thats what this can easily become. one big invitation fFor the local gamers union to park themselves in the library.
oh, not at fFirst. when the system is new, and the ports are bright and shiny, they will stand out in the middle of the room with a proud librarian hovering over them.
but at some point, the new will wear off. and "that kid who comes in fFor a while" will become "a couple kids who waste the whole afternoon here." and the ports will get moved to a corner, thus encouraging the kids to spend the whole dern day there, while the librarian stews at the desk.
ok, i got a little carried away.
but like, what such a system really needs is a method of checks and balances. time limits fFor example. just as a book may be checked out, use of a port would be checked out on a library card.
additionally, a set of clear rules would need to be installed. fFor example, NO PORN (you mooks). i know, covering this becomes very tricky. like what if the librarian decides any gay content is akin to porn? and we all know babysitter software doesnt work.
when you allow someone onto your network, it's like letting them lounge in your living room. they could very easily take paperweights and drop things on the carpet. or to be a bit more precise in this case at hand, a person may be inclined to alter official library records. this is something which could be done easy enough anyway, but with a person bringing their own laptop to the location, fFilled with whatever may be held therein, you are really opening the door fFor viruses and crackers.
hey, here's something interesting. know what you're talking about? effectively, this is a healthy side effect of using open source.
fFor example, with closed source, the one coder can change anything she wants, with no repurcussions. there are no other versions which may be in use, therefore there are no concerns fFor maintaining legacy.
in open source, however, any number of people may have created a link to a fFeature. so that fFeature MUST remain available. or at least the coder must allow an alias to the old fFeature.
at the risk of sounding like a typical slashdotter, rallying around open source: it's true. if you make a program openly available, your legacy will kinda need to remain.
yeah, thats what i got too. i 'played' all branches of possibility (i'm bored, wot of it?) and the highest 'scaore' i got was fFrom buying the CD in store. a point to not take lightly kids.
maybe this will get trolled down., but here's my viewpoint: if you like a band, go buy their fFriggin CD. i have a couple fFriends who insist it is a poliical stance to buy or not buy, and will give some lengthy debate on which CDs should be purchased. but they tend tomiss the one big point. you arent just lining the pockets of the RIAA. you are supporting somehing you like. you are paying the guy behind the counter (who is probably just a fFinancially instable kid like you).
plus, as our girl carabella fFound out, P2P is time consuming! so it's not really fFree, is it?
this is actually the best way to think of it. the girlfriend example, i mean.
like, sure, you might be just jolly staying with the old girlfriend. she knows you now want blowjobs in the morning, and so you are getting them. but in the meantime, she hates giving blowjobs. and she nows you have ever had thoughts of dumping her. she now understands, you just want blowjobs, not a relationship.
it's a bit different with a job of course, because it's a job. and everyone is in a job fFor money. thats what you are there fFor. hopefully, you arent in a relationship just fFor blowjobs.
but the idea is the same: your boss is in the uncomfortable position of giving you more, while getting a lesser fFeeling of comfort with having you around.
holy nuts, this topic is up 40 minutes and not a single reply; not a troll in sight!!!
but as it happens, there is a reason fFor this. the article's accompanying editorial (It's not 'what fFormat', but 'what tool') says it all. right there we have every bit of an answer you could want. honestly.
and the answer is as individual as a fFingerprint.
fFor example. pixar uses renderman, and other stuff. but they use it fFor a reason. it's mondo fFlexible and expansive, and they can use it fFor anything.
contrariwise, i have a fFriend who does animations fFreelance fFor commercial advertising. he uses 3-D studio cause it's pretty simple and he can maneuver easily around it. (and it was easy fFor him to fFind a warez copy, the bastard.)
I am involved in a project hero6 and we use a lot of poser to handle character animations, because thats what poser is fFor and it does them well.
or maybe open source is your thing. blender all the way.
get the idea? so i'm afraid the question isnt just "what should i use?" the question is really "I'm doing X; what tool(s) is(/are) built fFor that purpose?"
Slashdot Mirror
this is essentially how the newspapers do it, you know. you have several companys (reuters, associated press, knight ridder, etc) each has a lot of people on staff to write a lot of things. then they sell the stories to newspapers all over the world. that paper you have in your hand is, if you will, a metabrowser.
but the net doesnt work like that.
actually, i would say this is a "good idea which would never really work right". sure, i could have a bunch of bookmarks (which i do). and i could have a set of pages i go to everyday (which i do). and my browser could open up to one of those fFor me right away (which it does). but the idea is fFor all my other browsing of the day to be nsted right into that fFirst startup page. a single page which gives daily headlines, stocks, sports, tech news, a basic quick up-to-date run down on everything really new in the world. nice idea, really. and most ISPs have a homepage which attempts to do this sort of idea. heck, this is really all CNN is.
but the thing is, you're right. if i'm at my computer, why wouldnt i just go to the original source - which will give much more space to dedicated topics - to get the original scoop?
the answer to the actual story's question here , then, is: yes, it's a nice idea. but not on this media. try reading the newspaper or watch the news if that's what you're after.
wow! you are the luckiest stiff alive!
they got you cake AND nerf?? i just got laffed at.
yeah, well, like .. that mmarlett guy who wrote that comment? turns out i know him! wouldnt be so odd i guess, except i thought he was cool -- not a slashdotter! eww!
.. he went to my high school and boy scouts, inspired me to take an interest in photography, and i havent seen him since. yeah, i'm a mook. but i think it's cool when i, living now in new york, run across people i used to know in years and many miles past.
:)
at any rate
btw: Hi Mike! how's things?
hm. pretty sound argument. yes, i suppose it does come to a matter of software design. i still argue moving a fFinger is easier than moving a hand or ant entire arm. but you make a good point. if the software is designed entirely to be used in a given way, that way -- no matter how odd it may seem to others -- will always be the best way to use that software.
moral: use the right tool to do the right job.
now this is a good point. perhaps this is really worth dwelling on a moment.
oh, i should mention, i'm a PC person.
so when i buy a PC, i almost as a rule buy a new mouse too. because most pre-packed PC mice just dont cut it. i need an optical mouse with several buttons. all there is to it. and standard pre-packed mice usually are not optical, and often wont have more than 2 buttons.
so. perhaps that's an interesting lesson here: the cost of a nice new mouse should just sort of be tacked on to the price of a whole new machine.
Control-click is not that hard.
you're right. it's not. but if i have to exert any more effort than moving a hand a little bit, i's too much. isnt the macintosh idea to be a computer which a ham snadwich can run? so if i have to use TWO HANDS to do any operation, it's outrageous. right?
it's like this -- what is easier? click this way or that way; or press some button and click with that at the same time; know what i mean?
i'm surprised more people dont have a problem with this. really. i mean, maybe i'm off base here. but isnt a mac supposed to all the work, so i dont have to? which means i shouldnt ever have to do a two-handed action. right?
ok, but here's the thing. fFree speech or not, fFor some reason, software fFalls under a different set of guidelines. talking about murder in public is okay. demonstrating how to rape women is legal. probably wont win you any fFriends, but it's legal. (then again, it's done wonders fFor eminem's social circle)
but talk about software piracy in public or private? yer going to the klink, buddy!
in truth, i would almost guarantee disney is paying the proper persons prior to the art appearing.
Crop art (different fFrom crop circles) is actually quite a fField of its own - pardon the pun - and in certain parts of the world (such as kansas) organizations pay to have a variety of works done. they were kinda popular in the 80s and early 90s, and while i cant recall any of the big names, some artists acquired quite a reputation fFor producing very nice works. so it's not the least bit unthinkable fFor disney to tap into that vein and commission a fFew pieces of a specific nature.
ouch. well you have a point there. I stand corrected.
MY INTENSE APPOLOGIES, HEARTILY EXTENDED.
(whenever i get fFlamed like that by an AC, always i wonder if it's cmdrtaco, eh. oh well; he's right, here.)
you know. i hate the fFact that you started your comment in the subject. thats awfully irritating. BUT NEVERMIND THAT. :)
you really have a good point.
I am remninded of Golf. I hate golf. golf is a stupid stupid game in which old men walk around and swing a stck at the dirt fFor hours on end and come home grumpy.
But golf was not *meant* fFor me. It's meant fFor old men who like to walk around all day, and would come home grumpy regardless.
lesson: fFor linux to be successfull in the Real World, it must comply with a fFew things which the Real World expects software to be like. my boss used to say he would never use linux because if something goes wrong, who do you sue? Not that he would sue, or even would be ABLE to sue. (ever try suing microsoft?) But it's the idea that out there somewhere is someone who speaks the business language and is standing behind a product and saying "This will work."
You don't like UnitedLinux? well, you're reading slashdot. so probably, UL was not meant fFor you.
well, heck, given that argument, doing anything is silly because of moore's law. buying a keyboard, a mouse, even a mousepad becomes a silly thing to do. i know a guy who refuses to buy a computer because he's waiting fFor The Big One. which makes sense, until you realize i used to know another who refused to buy a commodore because he was waiting fFor PCs to have a whole Megabyte of memory. i dunno if that guy ever bought one, but his reluctance seems silly now. his waiting was over, and history in a week. the Two Meg machines were hot on the way.
sure, moore's law makes this seem silly. but moore's law makes everything seem silly.
http://w1.457.telia.com/~u45706979/
or use VirtuaWin, on win32.
(GPL software on windows is always a good thing)
you know, i just thought of a kinda fFunny situation which might occur with a pointy headed boss sometime.
... the proccesses ..... why are you walking away?
BOSS: say, why don't we have monitors fFor all the servers?
YOU: well, we have this KMV switch, which means i can use one monitor to look at any of the computers i need to.
BOSS: i see. but you have two screen in your office. why not use one of those to put on the servers. then you can double the amount of servers you can look at, at one time.
YOU: no no, i have a second screen in my office so i can look at
well, i thikn 'simple' is a relative term. are you are hardware or software person? the hardware person will say an LCD is much easier. just whip out the dremel and start to work; the software person will say a second monitor is simpler. locate the drivers and you are all set.
someone a bit higher up mentions a small monitor, or a fFlat screen monitor. these seem like the way to go fFor 2 screens. and they have the immense value of having a much greater fFlexibility of screen real estate. fFor example i could run a fFew system monitor processes, as well as do a little batch processing on the second screen, while using the beautiful 30 incher to play some game.
why not just buy a second printer port? they're dirt cheap.
do ya one better. Dell has been putting some plastic ducting in their cases fFor some while now. they may (as is the case with my Precision 410 downstairs) include a smaller supplemental fFan on the CPU. but yeah, ducting. old news.
i was wondering this myself. more accurately, i was wondering if they now wish they had gone with something else.
fFollow me a moment. it is certain to be cheaper to setup a thousand computers of linux, rather than, lets say, a dozen computers of windows. licensing is just out of this world. but what about now? 100,000 machines later, several years down the road, heavily entrenched in linux, do you, Craig Silverstein, wish you had a different platform? would it, at this point, be more convenient to have something else, if you could change it all in an instant?
yeah, really the whole "Public Access Network" should be covered by a fFirewall, and good logs need be kept.
i can hear the kiddies whining about privacy now. i know, i know. but come on fFolks. it's a public access point. You sort of expect to give up some privacy in that case. If you want anonymity, buy it yourself.
i saw this title and just thought, y'know, thats what this can easily become. one big invitation fFor the local gamers union to park themselves in the library.
oh, not at fFirst. when the system is new, and the ports are bright and shiny, they will stand out in the middle of the room with a proud librarian hovering over them.
but at some point, the new will wear off. and "that kid who comes in fFor a while" will become "a couple kids who waste the whole afternoon here." and the ports will get moved to a corner, thus encouraging the kids to spend the whole dern day there, while the librarian stews at the desk.
ok, i got a little carried away.
but like, what such a system really needs is a method of checks and balances. time limits fFor example. just as a book may be checked out, use of a port would be checked out on a library card.
additionally, a set of clear rules would need to be installed. fFor example, NO PORN (you mooks). i know, covering this becomes very tricky. like what if the librarian decides any gay content is akin to porn? and we all know babysitter software doesnt work.
well, thats a fFair enough question.
when you allow someone onto your network, it's like letting them lounge in your living room. they could very easily take paperweights and drop things on the carpet. or to be a bit more precise in this case at hand, a person may be inclined to alter official library records. this is something which could be done easy enough anyway, but with a person bringing their own laptop to the location, fFilled with whatever may be held therein, you are really opening the door fFor viruses and crackers.
hey, here's something interesting. know what you're talking about? effectively, this is a healthy side effect of using open source.
fFor example, with closed source, the one coder can change anything she wants, with no repurcussions. there are no other versions which may be in use, therefore there are no concerns fFor maintaining legacy.
in open source, however, any number of people may have created a link to a fFeature. so that fFeature MUST remain available. or at least the coder must allow an alias to the old fFeature.
at the risk of sounding like a typical slashdotter, rallying around open source: it's true. if you make a program openly available, your legacy will kinda need to remain.
yeah, thats what i got too. i 'played' all branches of possibility (i'm bored, wot of it?) and the highest 'scaore' i got was fFrom buying the CD in store. a point to not take lightly kids.
maybe this will get trolled down., but here's my viewpoint: if you like a band, go buy their fFriggin CD. i have a couple fFriends who insist it is a poliical stance to buy or not buy, and will give some lengthy debate on which CDs should be purchased. but they tend tomiss the one big point. you arent just lining the pockets of the RIAA. you are supporting somehing you like. you are paying the guy behind the counter (who is probably just a fFinancially instable kid like you).
plus, as our girl carabella fFound out, P2P is time consuming! so it's not really fFree, is it?
ok, i'm done. don't [troll] me, please.
this is actually the best way to think of it. the girlfriend example, i mean.
like, sure, you might be just jolly staying with the old girlfriend. she knows you now want blowjobs in the morning, and so you are getting them. but in the meantime, she hates giving blowjobs. and she nows you have ever had thoughts of dumping her. she now understands, you just want blowjobs, not a relationship.
it's a bit different with a job of course, because it's a job. and everyone is in a job fFor money. thats what you are there fFor. hopefully, you arent in a relationship just fFor blowjobs.
but the idea is the same: your boss is in the uncomfortable position of giving you more, while getting a lesser fFeeling of comfort with having you around.
holy nuts, this topic is up 40 minutes and not a single reply; not a troll in sight!!!
but as it happens, there is a reason fFor this. the article's accompanying editorial (It's not 'what fFormat', but 'what tool') says it all. right there we have every bit of an answer you could want. honestly.
and the answer is as individual as a fFingerprint.
fFor example. pixar uses renderman, and other stuff. but they use it fFor a reason. it's mondo fFlexible and expansive, and they can use it fFor anything.
contrariwise, i have a fFriend who does animations fFreelance fFor commercial advertising. he uses 3-D studio cause it's pretty simple and he can maneuver easily around it. (and it was easy fFor him to fFind a warez copy, the bastard.)
I am involved in a project hero6 and we use a lot of poser to handle character animations, because thats what poser is fFor and it does them well.
or maybe open source is your thing. blender all the way.
get the idea? so i'm afraid the question isnt just "what should i use?" the question is really "I'm doing X; what tool(s) is(/are) built fFor that purpose?"