Won't this punish the families of artists who die young?
That my friend is what life insurance is for. Exactly how much does my employer owe my family once I'm dead? I believe nothing, and that is what my employer believes as well.
I don't understand the fascination with people and their families getting paid indefinitely even beyond death for a single work that they have done.
The after X millions is asking for trouble. Who is to determine what a "pile of money" is? How often does that need to be updated due to inflation or in reference to the "pile of money" that was invested in said copyright?
My thoughts on copyright are it should not be transferable. Meaning that the creator is the soul owner of the copyright, not the record company or their family hundreds of years after the original creator is dead. I also believe that it should last the lifetime of the creator, but they can waive it and put their creation into the public domain at any time.
The only problem is that copyright could then be circumvented via patents or trademarks or some other legal tricks. Although Walt Disney is dead. Even if the copyright were to disappear for Mickey Mouse, I doubt any Mickey Mouse cartoons would be able to be in the public domain due to trademarks on the Mickey Mouse name and image, so we are still stuck.
when, oh when, will Steve Jobs let me buy music from somewhere other than the Apple iTunes store and put it on my iPod?
Any file that is supported by the iPod can be played on the iPod regardless of where the file came from.
The problem is that the iPod only works with either songs that you buy from the on-line Apple iTunes store or songs that you rip from your own CD's
You forgot the ones that we "stole" over the net:)
You also forgot that all of the recording companies that fund the RIAA are welcome to distribute MP3's or other forms of digital music. Being that they are currently almost 10 years behind the digital music medium and are relying on a business model that is about 20 years old, I have no sympathy for them.
Look, I bowed at his feet when the iPod and iTunes was created because HE GOT THE BALL ROLLING.
And the music companies watched the ball roll past them and out of bounds and then argued with the ref wanting the ball back.
But keeping the iTunes system a proprietary technology to prevent anyone from using multiple (read Microsoft) music systems is the most anti-consumer and user unfriendly thing any god can do.
I don't know of any "Microsoft music systems", but the iTunes software runs on Windows and can import any of its known file formats (wav, mp3, aac, aif, etc) and sync them on the iPod.
Why am I complaining about this?
Your ignorant, and I guess now you are without a job.
That is all people care about. People will switch to dual-core chips when the price is right. Abnormal people (scientists, gamers, etc) will switch when their apps will gain significant performance from them.
Is this new to people? I mean, cars like BMWs, Mercedes, Ferraris, etc are typically better than Toyotas, Fords, and Chevys, but only car freaks and the wealthy drive the more expensive ones, whereas the rest of us buy the cheaper ones.
Compare apples to apples: For the training that a teacher has gone through, their pay is low.
So compare a high school teacher to a high school teacher. They make exactly the same!
Now with the training thing, they have to do what? Go to college, and maybe pass some kind of test. I'm not sure, but its not excessive training. There are plenty of people with college degrees that make much less than a teacher does, and they have to work 12 months out of the year. I have a BS degree in Psych, and I found that I was qualified to work for 7 or 8 dollars an hour babysitting adults in a mental ward, or maybe possibly a little more being some kind of lab slave, but not much more.
Comparing their salary to the average median household income is a meaningless comparison.
No its not. I used that comparison because $40k/year is poverty in a place like California, but its OK here. I know two friends of mine that make much less than $40k here and they both have college degrees.
Maybe its just me, but I never heard of people going into HS teaching careers so that they could become rich. If they don't know what their prospective careers make when choosing one, then they probably deserve minimum wage.
Has anyone ever stopped to think about how well evolution works?
Yes, I have. Evolution is dependent on time and more specifically, linear time, which does not seem to be accurate. My main beef with evolution though is the whole "gradual" acquisition of more adaptive features or the "spontaneous genetic OOPs" for the acquisition of more adaptive features.
Lets take for example the evolutionary change of water dwelling animals to land dwelling animals. The gradual approach does not seem to make sense. I see no evolutionary advantage to half of a leg or anything less than a fully functional one. I also doubt that one day a significant number of animals spontaneously grew full legs and all breed with each other and now we have a new species of land dwelling animals. For certain things, evolution seems to make sense. Take for example if there were some volcanic gas that killed off all humans over 5' tall, then I would surely expect a shorter species of humans for quite some time as long as its more adaptive for shorter humans to be able to breed. But for something more like extreme like going from water to land, I just don't get how the intermediate organisms are more successful than those without the intermediate mutations.
I'm sick of the "low pay" thing. In my area public school teachers make in the $40k/year range which is about the median household income here. Also keep in mind that teachers get that extra 3 month vacation that most people don't get. In my opinion, $40k is a little much for the job, but it certainly is not too low.
Excellent subject. Yes, it has come to be common knowledge that Kansas is full of idiots. TFA says: "I'm really tired of going to conferences and being laughed at because I'm from Kansas." and there are books titled What's the Matter with Kansas? that goes into how the citizens of the state consistently vote against their own best interests based on their ultra conservatism.
Interestingly enough, I found the new and improved Kansas science definition better than the previous one. However, I wonder why the hell we are still arguing over which theory is "more right" in 2005. Creationism and evolution are both fine theories that have been around for quite some time with no commonly believed piece of evidence that refutes either of them. I personally believe that the whole universe came out of a giant red billed penguin that was suffering from explosive diarrhea about 13 thousand years ago after it ate the contents of the previous universe. Try and refute that Kansasites!
Actually, I think that we should all stop these verbal and legal arguments and start doing the right thing by killing all of those that believe in something different than we do. If we keep up with that, then eventually the stronger believe will prevail and there will be no more conflict.
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I wonder when the "Hack Apache" contest will be held.
You must not get bombarded by spam and breakin attempts from China. As for me, I have a number of specific firewall rules against whole IP ranges that originate in China because even if one of them is up to good, I could care less because 99% of them are not.
This is an opportunity for all those who lose thier job to go and start thier own company
Lets weight this out.
Get laid off from your OK 40 hr per week job with benefits, etc to start a company where your insane to expect to work anything near 40/week plus the responsibilities of managing employees, getting startup loans or capitol, with no guarantee that you will make anything like you were making at your old 40hr/week job. Oh, and all of this is assuming that you are a risk taker and have the minimum knowledge, skills and abilities to run a business (not all people are born this way you know).
I _could_ start my own company. I've got many ideas for multiple companies, but I'll be the first to admit that I'm lazy. I don't want to work that hard, nor do I want all of that responsibility. I'm completely content at my middle class income with low stress and the freedom to pretty much do what I want. I've been laid off before, and in all honesty it was much more of an opportunity vs a problem, but I was very fortunate at the time that I had a good amount of saved up money and eventually ended up with my dream job. But I would guess my situation is very much in the minority.
I have not heard a single complaint from any [mb]illionare CEO. Being that the range of wages between the lowest and the highest paid employees keeps getting larger, I would only expect this type of system to increase until it implodes on itself.
Fuck benevolence, that does not show up on profits.
In my state (NC), at least, PG-13 is not a binding rating.
Binding under what pretense?
The ratings are voluntary and self moderated by the MPAA. There is no legal obligations or enforcements whatsoever. The enforcement is done at the movie theater by the movie theater people. I'm sure it varies much more from theater to theater than from state to state.
I don't respect my local strip mall, but many of the stores that I like are there.
Slashdot is nothing when it really comes to "news". I don't know what the editors do when they are "working". I will say that the slash software is great for this kind of forum site, especially the moderation and the foe/friend thing, and slashdot has been around long enough that many knowledgeable people hang out here.
Slashdot is a meeting place. Being that the topics are submitted by the users, and the comments are submitted by the users, there is nothing to respect or disrespect about slashdot itself.
Yeah, you have to have the hardware and the storage space but it does NOT cost $2.95/issue.
FYI, a 20 oz soft drink does not cost anything near a $1.09 or more, but people routinely pay that or more for them.
To me, its not a matter of the $2.95 per article that is turning people off. Its the inconvenience of paying that for an article that may or may not be exactly what you are looking for.
In other words, I would pay an annual fee for an excellent service like Google, but I would be damned if I would reach into my wallet every time I hit the search button.
What may be a working alternative for the NYTimes is for them to somehow verify that the contact info is real (I can't tell you how many times I've registered with every random answer possible, but thats another story) so that they can allow something like 5 or so archived articles per month for free, but send you a monthly bill for people that go beyond the 5. Kinda like using 411 on your phone or something.
I really am interested in what will become of the serial print media. Newspaper subscriptions have been falling for years due to TV news channels and the internet, yet there is still a need for a local news for things like classified ads and local advertising and news, but that need is much lower than it used to be, but it has not become obsolete nor do I see it as becoming obsolete in the near future.
Oh, maybe they will just follow the model of other changing business models and make their revenue via lawsuits of their customers or potential customers. That is always an option.
On the other hand, PC hardware changes so rapidly that sometimes an upgrade is practically new system anyway.
But Macs have been known for years to stock their computers with all of the latest and greatest. My PowerBook has a nice widescreen display, Firewire, USB, DVI, Svideo, modem, 1/8" sound inputs and outputs (yeah, thats not the best), built in working microphone, gigabit ethernet, bluetooth, and an 802.11g wireless card. Not to mention that it looks nice and not like some bulky piece of black plastic. There is very little that I could do to upgrade from this laptop. In fact, I would believe that anything in the PC land would actually be a downgrade.
Is it stupidity, or they just value the service more than you and are willing to go through what you're not?
I guess I'm the stupid one for not using these kinds of services. Things like those $500 "pay-day" loans and check cashing services and whatnot. I guess I would find them more valuable if I was used to being poor. Maybe soon I will recognize their value.
However, in order the subsidize their phones, they have to lock consumers into a contract.
Yeah, the Bell's used to do that by allowing you to rent your phones from them and not allowing you to buy one. Then all of a sudden we were allowed to buy a $10 phone and plug it into the wall and not pay monthly for the thing. I guess your right with the subsidizing part. After all, I do sign one to two year contracts with my ISP to subsidize the computer that they gave me for "free", my land phone because of the phone they gave me for "free", my water company because of the faucets they gave me for "free", and all of my other services.
Come on, cell phones are what between $50 and $200 if you buy them outright. When I used to be a cell phone customer I paid something like $140 for the privilege to stop paying for the "service", and threw the phone in the trash at the store. My phone was obviously not worth $140 any way you look at it. The service was horrible, I got dropped calls all the time (yes, this was with the "Can you hear me now?" people, I still get sick to my stomach when hearing that ad). Not to mention, that I got a $400 bill for "talking too much" one month.
That's where capitalism comes into play -- you have a choice, and if you don't like your choices and don't want to play, you don't have to.
My previous point was that too many people do without thought play, and people like me are punished with a lack of choices. For us, the only choice is to simply not play, or to be ripped off like everybody else. Things like these one and two year annual contracts are new to my knowledge, capitalism is not.
People will buy elsewhere when a seller does something dumb like this.
You greatly underestimate the stupidity of the average capitalist consumer.
If people actually were to take their business elsewhere or simply not buy junk from greedy companies then there would be nothing like the ridiculous cell phone rates with the privileges of paying extra for "going over your monthly minute allotment" and paying an even more ridiculous fee for the privilege to stop using their "service" (they call this breaking your contract agreement).
I mean, lets count the number of other services that we have one to two year lock-in contracts in order to use. Yet people have been more than willing to pay so much extra for the convenience of being able to talk to people in stores, while walking down the street, while driving, and my favorite, when they come over to your house.
My benchmarks are the source, and I have spent most of my time comparing GCC and the Intel compiler.
When I have seen a 100% speedup it was with mostly floating point number crunching. In fact, I have seen a 100% speedup with the Intel compiler for some codes simply changing the optimization flags from -O2 to -O3. I'm not a graphics person, so I don't know about GUI app comparisons between the two compilers. Most other "normal" apps seem to be marginally faster when compiled with the Intel compiler, but nothing as noticeable as with number crunching.
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Won't this punish the families of artists who die young?
That my friend is what life insurance is for. Exactly how much does my employer owe my family once I'm dead? I believe nothing, and that is what my employer believes as well.
I don't understand the fascination with people and their families getting paid indefinitely even beyond death for a single work that they have done.
The after X millions is asking for trouble. Who is to determine what a "pile of money" is? How often does that need to be updated due to inflation or in reference to the "pile of money" that was invested in said copyright?
My thoughts on copyright are it should not be transferable. Meaning that the creator is the soul owner of the copyright, not the record company or their family hundreds of years after the original creator is dead. I also believe that it should last the lifetime of the creator, but they can waive it and put their creation into the public domain at any time.
The only problem is that copyright could then be circumvented via patents or trademarks or some other legal tricks. Although Walt Disney is dead. Even if the copyright were to disappear for Mickey Mouse, I doubt any Mickey Mouse cartoons would be able to be in the public domain due to trademarks on the Mickey Mouse name and image, so we are still stuck.
when, oh when, will Steve Jobs let me buy music from somewhere other than the Apple iTunes store and put it on my iPod?
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Any file that is supported by the iPod can be played on the iPod regardless of where the file came from.
The problem is that the iPod only works with either songs that you buy from the on-line Apple iTunes store or songs that you rip from your own CD's
You forgot the ones that we "stole" over the net
You also forgot that all of the recording companies that fund the RIAA are welcome to distribute MP3's or other forms of digital music. Being that they are currently almost 10 years behind the digital music medium and are relying on a business model that is about 20 years old, I have no sympathy for them.
Look, I bowed at his feet when the iPod and iTunes was created because HE GOT THE BALL ROLLING.
And the music companies watched the ball roll past them and out of bounds and then argued with the ref wanting the ball back.
But keeping the iTunes system a proprietary technology to prevent anyone from using multiple (read Microsoft) music systems is the most anti-consumer and user unfriendly thing any god can do.
I don't know of any "Microsoft music systems", but the iTunes software runs on Windows and can import any of its known file formats (wav, mp3, aac, aif, etc) and sync them on the iPod.
Why am I complaining about this?
Your ignorant, and I guess now you are without a job.
Wow, what a dumbass.
Just my two cents...
That is all people care about. People will switch to dual-core chips when the price is right. Abnormal people (scientists, gamers, etc) will switch when their apps will gain significant performance from them.
Is this new to people? I mean, cars like BMWs, Mercedes, Ferraris, etc are typically better than Toyotas, Fords, and Chevys, but only car freaks and the wealthy drive the more expensive ones, whereas the rest of us buy the cheaper ones.
This is significant if you live in say Honolulu where electricity is 14cents/KWh or on Kauai where it's close to 22cents/KWh.
But everything else is dirt cheap in Hawaii because a majority of the US population works and lives there.
Compare apples to apples: For the training that a teacher has gone through, their pay is low.
So compare a high school teacher to a high school teacher. They make exactly the same!
Now with the training thing, they have to do what? Go to college, and maybe pass some kind of test. I'm not sure, but its not excessive training. There are plenty of people with college degrees that make much less than a teacher does, and they have to work 12 months out of the year. I have a BS degree in Psych, and I found that I was qualified to work for 7 or 8 dollars an hour babysitting adults in a mental ward, or maybe possibly a little more being some kind of lab slave, but not much more.
Comparing their salary to the average median household income is a meaningless comparison.
No its not. I used that comparison because $40k/year is poverty in a place like California, but its OK here. I know two friends of mine that make much less than $40k here and they both have college degrees.
Maybe its just me, but I never heard of people going into HS teaching careers so that they could become rich. If they don't know what their prospective careers make when choosing one, then they probably deserve minimum wage.
Has anyone ever stopped to think about how well evolution works?
Yes, I have. Evolution is dependent on time and more specifically, linear time, which does not seem to be accurate. My main beef with evolution though is the whole "gradual" acquisition of more adaptive features or the "spontaneous genetic OOPs" for the acquisition of more adaptive features.
Lets take for example the evolutionary change of water dwelling animals to land dwelling animals. The gradual approach does not seem to make sense. I see no evolutionary advantage to half of a leg or anything less than a fully functional one. I also doubt that one day a significant number of animals spontaneously grew full legs and all breed with each other and now we have a new species of land dwelling animals. For certain things, evolution seems to make sense. Take for example if there were some volcanic gas that killed off all humans over 5' tall, then I would surely expect a shorter species of humans for quite some time as long as its more adaptive for shorter humans to be able to breed. But for something more like extreme like going from water to land, I just don't get how the intermediate organisms are more successful than those without the intermediate mutations.
partly because of the low pay
I'm sick of the "low pay" thing. In my area public school teachers make in the $40k/year range which is about the median household income here. Also keep in mind that teachers get that extra 3 month vacation that most people don't get. In my opinion, $40k is a little much for the job, but it certainly is not too low.
Excellent subject. Yes, it has come to be common knowledge that Kansas is full of idiots. TFA says: "I'm really tired of going to conferences and being laughed at because I'm from Kansas." and there are books titled What's the Matter with Kansas? that goes into how the citizens of the state consistently vote against their own best interests based on their ultra conservatism.
Interestingly enough, I found the new and improved Kansas science definition better than the previous one. However, I wonder why the hell we are still arguing over which theory is "more right" in 2005. Creationism and evolution are both fine theories that have been around for quite some time with no commonly believed piece of evidence that refutes either of them. I personally believe that the whole universe came out of a giant red billed penguin that was suffering from explosive diarrhea about 13 thousand years ago after it ate the contents of the previous universe. Try and refute that Kansasites!
Actually, I think that we should all stop these verbal and legal arguments and start doing the right thing by killing all of those that believe in something different than we do. If we keep up with that, then eventually the stronger believe will prevail and there will be no more conflict.
I wonder when the "Hack Apache" contest will be held.
Every day on over 60% of the world's web servers.
SInce when is FLAC supported in iTunes?
There is a FLAC quicktime component, but I have never seen FLACs work in iTunes. If you know something that google does not, please let us know.
Score one for the rest of the free world.
You must not get bombarded by spam and breakin attempts from China. As for me, I have a number of specific firewall rules against whole IP ranges that originate in China because even if one of them is up to good, I could care less because 99% of them are not.
also consider that the average annual wage there is under $5k/year (the last I heard, I can't find any newer data right now)
This is an opportunity for all those who lose thier job to go and start thier own company
Lets weight this out.
Get laid off from your OK 40 hr per week job with benefits, etc to start a company where your insane to expect to work anything near 40/week plus the responsibilities of managing employees, getting startup loans or capitol, with no guarantee that you will make anything like you were making at your old 40hr/week job. Oh, and all of this is assuming that you are a risk taker and have the minimum knowledge, skills and abilities to run a business (not all people are born this way you know).
I _could_ start my own company. I've got many ideas for multiple companies, but I'll be the first to admit that I'm lazy. I don't want to work that hard, nor do I want all of that responsibility. I'm completely content at my middle class income with low stress and the freedom to pretty much do what I want. I've been laid off before, and in all honesty it was much more of an opportunity vs a problem, but I was very fortunate at the time that I had a good amount of saved up money and eventually ended up with my dream job. But I would guess my situation is very much in the minority.
We can't figure out a better system
I have not heard a single complaint from any [mb]illionare CEO. Being that the range of wages between the lowest and the highest paid employees keeps getting larger, I would only expect this type of system to increase until it implodes on itself.
Fuck benevolence, that does not show up on profits.
In my state (NC), at least, PG-13 is not a binding rating.
Binding under what pretense?
The ratings are voluntary and self moderated by the MPAA. There is no legal obligations or enforcements whatsoever. The enforcement is done at the movie theater by the movie theater people. I'm sure it varies much more from theater to theater than from state to state.
I don't respect my local strip mall, but many of the stores that I like are there.
Slashdot is nothing when it really comes to "news". I don't know what the editors do when they are "working". I will say that the slash software is great for this kind of forum site, especially the moderation and the foe/friend thing, and slashdot has been around long enough that many knowledgeable people hang out here.
Slashdot is a meeting place. Being that the topics are submitted by the users, and the comments are submitted by the users, there is nothing to respect or disrespect about slashdot itself.
it's about as useful as a humvee in the city
Yeah, but both humvee's and this video card will sell just fine.
Am I the only one that laughs when I see a senior citizen driving an SUV?
I would just like to remind people that this is COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT, not THEFT.
Big difference.
Prisoner 1: What are you in for?
Prisoner 2: I'm innocent and waiting for my appeal, but they put me in here for copyright infringement.
Prisoner 1: What the fuck is "copyright infringement"?
Prisoner 2: Its distributing copies of copyrighted material to people.
Prisoner 1: Oh. (starts moving carefully away from Prisoner 2) I'm innocent too, but they thought I was guilty of theft. (runs from Prisoner 2)
Do people really think that news should be free?
Why not? Being that there is little news in the news it should be advertiser supported like every other entertainment avenue.
Yeah, you have to have the hardware and the storage space but it does NOT cost $2.95/issue.
FYI, a 20 oz soft drink does not cost anything near a $1.09 or more, but people routinely pay that or more for them.
To me, its not a matter of the $2.95 per article that is turning people off. Its the inconvenience of paying that for an article that may or may not be exactly what you are looking for.
In other words, I would pay an annual fee for an excellent service like Google, but I would be damned if I would reach into my wallet every time I hit the search button.
What may be a working alternative for the NYTimes is for them to somehow verify that the contact info is real (I can't tell you how many times I've registered with every random answer possible, but thats another story) so that they can allow something like 5 or so archived articles per month for free, but send you a monthly bill for people that go beyond the 5. Kinda like using 411 on your phone or something.
I really am interested in what will become of the serial print media. Newspaper subscriptions have been falling for years due to TV news channels and the internet, yet there is still a need for a local news for things like classified ads and local advertising and news, but that need is much lower than it used to be, but it has not become obsolete nor do I see it as becoming obsolete in the near future.
Oh, maybe they will just follow the model of other changing business models and make their revenue via lawsuits of their customers or potential customers. That is always an option.
On the other hand, PC hardware changes so rapidly that sometimes an upgrade is practically new system anyway.
But Macs have been known for years to stock their computers with all of the latest and greatest. My PowerBook has a nice widescreen display, Firewire, USB, DVI, Svideo, modem, 1/8" sound inputs and outputs (yeah, thats not the best), built in working microphone, gigabit ethernet, bluetooth, and an 802.11g wireless card. Not to mention that it looks nice and not like some bulky piece of black plastic. There is very little that I could do to upgrade from this laptop. In fact, I would believe that anything in the PC land would actually be a downgrade.
Is it stupidity, or they just value the service more than you and are willing to go through what you're not?
I guess I'm the stupid one for not using these kinds of services. Things like those $500 "pay-day" loans and check cashing services and whatnot. I guess I would find them more valuable if I was used to being poor. Maybe soon I will recognize their value.
However, in order the subsidize their phones, they have to lock consumers into a contract.
Yeah, the Bell's used to do that by allowing you to rent your phones from them and not allowing you to buy one. Then all of a sudden we were allowed to buy a $10 phone and plug it into the wall and not pay monthly for the thing. I guess your right with the subsidizing part. After all, I do sign one to two year contracts with my ISP to subsidize the computer that they gave me for "free", my land phone because of the phone they gave me for "free", my water company because of the faucets they gave me for "free", and all of my other services.
Come on, cell phones are what between $50 and $200 if you buy them outright. When I used to be a cell phone customer I paid something like $140 for the privilege to stop paying for the "service", and threw the phone in the trash at the store. My phone was obviously not worth $140 any way you look at it. The service was horrible, I got dropped calls all the time (yes, this was with the "Can you hear me now?" people, I still get sick to my stomach when hearing that ad). Not to mention, that I got a $400 bill for "talking too much" one month.
That's where capitalism comes into play -- you have a choice, and if you don't like your choices and don't want to play, you don't have to.
My previous point was that too many people do without thought play, and people like me are punished with a lack of choices. For us, the only choice is to simply not play, or to be ripped off like everybody else. Things like these one and two year annual contracts are new to my knowledge, capitalism is not.
People will buy elsewhere when a seller does something dumb like this.
You greatly underestimate the stupidity of the average capitalist consumer.
If people actually were to take their business elsewhere or simply not buy junk from greedy companies then there would be nothing like the ridiculous cell phone rates with the privileges of paying extra for "going over your monthly minute allotment" and paying an even more ridiculous fee for the privilege to stop using their "service" (they call this breaking your contract agreement).
I mean, lets count the number of other services that we have one to two year lock-in contracts in order to use. Yet people have been more than willing to pay so much extra for the convenience of being able to talk to people in stores, while walking down the street, while driving, and my favorite, when they come over to your house.
Do you have a source for that figure?
My benchmarks are the source, and I have spent most of my time comparing GCC and the Intel compiler.
When I have seen a 100% speedup it was with mostly floating point number crunching. In fact, I have seen a 100% speedup with the Intel compiler for some codes simply changing the optimization flags from -O2 to -O3. I'm not a graphics person, so I don't know about GUI app comparisons between the two compilers. Most other "normal" apps seem to be marginally faster when compiled with the Intel compiler, but nothing as noticeable as with number crunching.