Maybe all americans are simply overpaid and we're in for a BIG correction in the coming years?
22x the _per capita_ income is overpaid. That is the equivalent to $792,000,000/year here in the us. I don't see those salaries in the want ads, do you?
I find it rather ironic that so many people in America, the land of capitalism, hate outsourcing so much. This is simple economics right out of Adam Smith.
This is not about economics, this is about culture and people. Even Adam Smith would agree that a broke consumer is no good.
Take a look at other cultures/societies and see what they do for each other. In the US, smaller ethnic groups _pay more_ for products from others in the same ethnic group so that they help each other (take that Adam). In Japan, they give people jobs instead of welfare.
Also, it is beyond extorsion for people to pay 22x the _per capita_ income to someone. That is equivalent to $792 million a year here in the us based on an average income of 36,000. When you wave that much money to people, they will hop. This is why its illegal for sweepstakes in the US not to have ways of winning the prize without buying the product.
One good benefit for Americans is that this allows their employers to use that money elsewhere.
The trend for this "elsewhere" is in the C?O's pocket.
But for the most part Indians need these jobs much worse than we do.
Well fuckit dude, Vietnam was never won, go ahead and save these guys while we are at it. I could always fight with the illegals for a labor job.
I'm willing to bet that as far as possessions go, the average unemployed computer geek is significanlty better off than the Indian worker who "stole" his job.
Look again at the $792 million a year figure, and tell me this again.
of the whole "cornered rat" thing. This choice Q&A tells all:
Q: Then who are you going to sue? A: The honest answer is we don't know. Conceivably, if everyone steps up and buys a license, we don't need to.
Hopefully and finally SCOX will now start showing the true worth of the company. BTW, does anyone know what the top execs have cleared thus far from this scam? Was it worth it and is this going to be an unforunate part of doing business like SPAM?
Some people like to eat, sleep out of the cold, take care of their families, etc. Reask that question after being out of (finance providing) work for 6 months even if you started your own software company.
Are you the one that buys all of those "Make money quick with no work and no capitol!" infomertials?
Many companies have licences/standard windows releases/ etc that they maintain and want to just drop their OS image onto new machines and avoid the 2x Windows tax.
Many people believe this saying. More correctly its "not what you know, but who knows you". Think about it for a sec. Someone like Linus could easily have a 1 line resume:
- I created Linux in 1991.
The person reading this probably knows who Linus is (or should), Linus, more than likely, does not know the person reading the resume.
We (USians) adopted the metric system in 1893 (yes, thats the 19th centry), and actually Imperial (or English as their more commonly known) units have been _altered_ so that they more closely round to a metric equivalent. For example, the inch is now _defined_ as 2.54 cm, it has nothing to do with some king's thumb or anything.
Maybe, just maybe, we can start using the metric system? Isn't 100 years enough time to transition?
I know that the word is taboo around here, but isn't this precicely what (hardware) patents are for? From what I understand, they are pretty easy to get.
This should be a civil manner, not something that has been escalated to a federal criminal issue. ( including their funding via taxes )
You can check out the FBI's updated priorities here. I too don't see how the FBI got mixed up with movies. Maybe its just advertising, because the most I hear/see from the FBI on a regular basis is at the beginning of DVDs where the FBI warns me to be good with the content of the disc.
But hey, if the FBI is this aggressive for movie copyright violators, then terrorists, organized crime, and spys must so scared that they will stop doing their illegal activities any time now.
This was moddes as insightful, funny, and interesting (suprising that it was not informative too because it had a link).
An anecdotal slice of the time series data is not going to tell you anything. Considering that when you look at 3 month data you will see that the price for the past 3 months has been basically a sine wave oscilating between 14 and 18 a share. Considering that the stock was in the 1 to 2 dollar range from jan 02 to jan 03 when the current SCO execs bought their stock, I'd say that their plan (pump and dump) is working quite well. They just have to keep the fud going long enough to sell all their stock in smallish amounts over time (to keep off of the legal raday). Trust me at the current price, I doubt anyone at SCO is complaining about the free money.
Regarding the "wasting my time" and being "unprofessional", who cares. I use it, and its very effective in dealing with people that are, well, wasting my time.
I recently told this to a salesman, and now he gets all of his info together before he thinks of calling or mailing me. In a nutshell, he's not wasting as much of my time anymore. Give it a try sometime, trust me its very powerful.
Next hurdle for the RIAA is to PROVE these people were actually offering or distributing actual content the RIAA members own the copyright to.
Actually, its offering illegal content. If I own Metallica's Ride the Lightning album and my friend has already ripped it to mp3 for my player, its not illegal for me to download the mp3 from him.
In my work I spend hours, months, and years producing "intellectual property" output.
In their work, they spend hours, maybe, just maybe months producing "intellectual property" output where the input is some megamillionaire boyband producer's ideas of how these kids that look good in the provided outfit should sing or whatever. And, they expect this effort to launch them into multimillionaire success for their lifetimes.
I too produce "intellectual property", but when my producing stops, so does my pay. I would imagine your in the same boat.
I don't know of a talented, hard working musician (ie, one that tours and plays music for a living) that has trouble making a comfortable living. There is E! True Hollywood Story documentaries and "where are they now"s for the others.
The music folks are just an order of magnitude stupider than the movie people are. Instead of messaging combined with clear product value propositions and additional rewards for buying more product, we get lawsuits, attempts to fix pricing on CD media, media that does not work, trash artists and on and on and on....
Nah, the music folks are just pissed that they can't collect big bucks for minimal product anymore. They are trying to scare ppl into thinking their product has value.
Ads aside, the movie people are pushing a much more viable product. Go shop around, ever notice that video dvds and cds cost about the same? Ever notice that the cds only have 16bit/44.1kHz 2 track audio and most dvds have 5+ channels of audio (often different mixes, extras, etc) plus a video track (again sometimes with alt takes, endings, or angles)?
My question is when will the RIAA start running out of money to do this sort of thing.
When people stop paying the overinflated prices of music CDs. I don't know what or if the RIAA gets for music video dvds, but I think there a much better value. For example, look at the content and cost of the latest Led Zepplin CDs and DVDs. Hint: The dvd has about 2x the footage, it has video, and 3 different sound mixes.
Since Microsoft already has strong ties with most of the vendors, and plenty of money to throw at promoting embeded Windows
I think its more a from product name recognition for customers than vendors. AFAIK, most vendors would not prefer to deal with M$ because its a slippery slope.
Also, the term "Windows" does not mean anything specific as far as a product that comes from M$. Its just a generic term for a generic OS from Microsoft (using a generic term for one aspect of a GUI). For example, I used to program smart cards and there were (are?) "Windows powered smartcards". Think about that for a minute. We are talking about a "computer" smaller than a penny that only has basic commands and data that go to it over a serial/usb cable. There is no GUI, no "windows", but the marketing dept realized that a "Windows powered smartcard" would be more marketable than I guess some other name.
Also, I do not believe that Windows CE has any common code with "Windows" or if it does, its very small. I can check with a CE developer to verify this.
On the other hand, Linux on embedded systems is really Linux. For the most part you can go to kernel.org and cross compile a kernel for your embedded device from the same code that you can power your server or workstation. To me this says volumes about the code layout of Linux vs. Windows vs. Microsoft's marketing dept.
EAL-rating only indicates how sure you are the product meets the profile (a set of security requirements). Saying it gets "EAL3 Certification" is like saying "We're now quite sure it does... eh... something"
A college degree only indicates how sure you are the person meets the profile (a set of learning and skill requirements). Saying it gets "A college degree" is like saying "We're now quite sure the person is... eh... able to learn something".
Trust me, there are many a bozo out there with a college degree, and there are, ahem, less than secure and robust OSes with EAL certification, but try to get a job where it says "College degree required" or install an OS where it says "EAL3 or higher required" and there is not that level of certification.
On an aside, college degrees are pretty worthless nowadays. At least a generic 4 year degree. I often see on job listings something like "College degree in XXX required or equivalent work experience". This is not as true with higher degrees or professional degrees. Sometimes I think about how much money I would be making now if I had _worked_ instead of going to school and racking up about $30,000 in college loans. Actually, I have seen data that says that the "Stay in school" programs are completly irrational. Supposedly, a HS dropout that goes to work will be making much more $$ immediately and in the future (because of experience and seniority) than a HS graduate. Kinda makes me wonder what the governmental/societal push is for going to school.
I never busted on Windows for being EALed. I will say that Windows and other OSes have much more robust auditing than Linux, and that has been a big deterant from government certifications with the Linux OS.
One thing that I think is interesting to note is that a _company_ providing a specific _distro_ of Linux is being certified here, not Linux proper. The company and specific distro thing is important because it shows the viability of making $$ off of open source software. Anyone can get all of the same source, etc off of the net and have their own Linux distro, but currently larger companies like RedHat and Suse are the most embrased distros out there by government, companies, education, and very importantly 3rd party hardware providers. I started using Linux when there was only Slackware and Yggdrasil. Maybe there were others at the time, but those are the only 2 that I remember. Anyway, I think that it is amazing that a bunch of hackers on the net were able to throw together (with SCO's IP of course!) an OS and all of the userland tools to be packaged together by a German company with the help of an American company (IBM) and able to achieve a decent certification level.
I don't bear too much weight in certs by themselves. Afterall, AIX, Solaris, Windows2000, and HPUX would all be the same if EAL4 was the only category of review. But a cert (like a college degree) opens up new doors that were otherwise not possible without them.
I am so grateful that I was able to freely download and view the source of Linux. My "certification" from college is in Psychology, and I have never had a computer course or any formal training or certification. But because of the openness of Linux, I was able to learn inside and out about the OS, how to program, etc (and get a real job:). And to see this go from something that I played with on my 486 in my dorm to almost a brand name that is commonplace on TV ads and whatnot.
Keep up the good work guys! This is where the important stuff and the fun of Linux lives, not trying to get "Joe Six Pack" to use Linux on his PC at home.
You could be even more helpful if you'd tell us what is wrong with the linux desktop
OK, I'll bite.
1) where is the linux desktop? What is it called? Where do I get it? 2) When will cut/copy/and paste work? 3) How do I install new software? 4) How do I install new hardware?
Its hard to think of others, because I've used Linux for 9 years now, and am used to it, but there are plenty of things it needs before going prime time on the desktop. And ripping off Window's GUI is about the last priority. Why not rip off Apple? Back in 95 that is what Windows did.
Seeing shots like this really make me embarassed to use Linux.
I use Linux because of what it has to offer me. I dont use Windows because it has nothing to offer me (verified by a phone call with M$ last week:).
I dont want Linux to look/behave/feel like Windows.
Why on earth would someone pay the same amount of money for something that looks and feels just like windows (shutter) but has 0% of the software and hardware support? Wanna impress me, try ripping off OSX first, or for crying out loud rip off a Mac slogan and "Think Different".
OK, proofs are something that cannot be disputed and are always true, unfortunately proofs have no place in science or empiricism. The coin can be proven mathematically that it will land on heads (or truth) 50% of the time, no empirical research can prove that a coin will land on heads 50% of the time, nor can the reliability of lie detectors be proven (nor "Newton's Laws", etc).
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Maybe all americans are simply overpaid and we're in for a BIG correction in the coming years?
22x the _per capita_ income is overpaid. That is the equivalent to $792,000,000/year here in the us. I don't see those salaries in the want ads, do you?
Difference here.
I find it rather ironic that so many people in America, the land of capitalism, hate outsourcing so much. This is simple economics right out of Adam Smith.
This is not about economics, this is about culture and people. Even Adam Smith would agree that a broke consumer is no good.
Take a look at other cultures/societies and see what they do for each other. In the US, smaller ethnic groups _pay more_ for products from others in the same ethnic group so that they help each other (take that Adam). In Japan, they give people jobs instead of welfare.
Also, it is beyond extorsion for people to pay 22x the _per capita_ income to someone. That is equivalent to $792 million a year here in the us based on an average income of 36,000. When you wave that much money to people, they will hop. This is why its illegal for sweepstakes in the US not to have ways of winning the prize without buying the product.
One good benefit for Americans is that this allows their employers to use that money elsewhere.
The trend for this "elsewhere" is in the C?O's pocket.
But for the most part Indians need these jobs much worse than we do.
Well fuckit dude, Vietnam was never won, go ahead and save these guys while we are at it. I could always fight with the illegals for a labor job.
I'm willing to bet that as far as possessions go, the average unemployed computer geek is significanlty better off than the Indian worker who "stole" his job.
Look again at the $792 million a year figure, and tell me this again.
You did the link wrong. Its litigious bastards. This keeps the ball rolling.
Hopefully and finally SCOX will now start showing the true worth of the company. BTW, does anyone know what the top execs have cleared thus far from this scam? Was it worth it and is this going to be an unforunate part of doing business like SPAM?
...have a steady job that brings me about $10/day for all of the work of listing my programs on eBay...
If more Americans were happy with these wages, then we would never have to worry about being unemployed and having our jobs outsourced to India.
So why do you NEED lots of finance?
Some people like to eat, sleep out of the cold, take care of their families, etc. Reask that question after being out of (finance providing) work for 6 months even if you started your own software company.
Are you the one that buys all of those "Make money quick with no work and no capitol!" infomertials?
Maybe this is for Microsoft products.
Many companies have licences/standard windows releases/ etc that they maintain and want to just drop their OS image onto new machines and avoid the 2x Windows tax.
VT could come out of this with a profit!
:) There are many procedures in getting rid of equipment, and they are there for a reason.
You have never worked for the state of Virginia before
It's not what you know, but who you know.
Many people believe this saying. More correctly its "not what you know, but who knows you". Think about it for a sec. Someone like Linus could easily have a 1 line resume:
- I created Linux in 1991.
The person reading this probably knows who Linus is (or should), Linus, more than likely, does not know the person reading the resume.
We (USians) adopted the metric system in 1893 (yes, thats the 19th centry), and actually Imperial (or English as their more commonly known) units have been _altered_ so that they more closely round to a metric equivalent. For example, the inch is now _defined_ as 2.54 cm, it has nothing to do with some king's thumb or anything.
Maybe, just maybe, we can start using the metric system? Isn't 100 years enough time to transition?
I know that the word is taboo around here, but isn't this precicely what (hardware) patents are for? From what I understand, they are pretty easy to get.
This should be a civil manner, not something that has been escalated to a federal criminal issue. ( including their funding via taxes )
You can check out the FBI's updated priorities here. I too don't see how the FBI got mixed up with movies. Maybe its just advertising, because the most I hear/see from the FBI on a regular basis is at the beginning of DVDs where the FBI warns me to be good with the content of the disc.
But hey, if the FBI is this aggressive for movie copyright violators, then terrorists, organized crime, and spys must so scared that they will stop doing their illegal activities any time now.
This was moddes as insightful, funny, and interesting (suprising that it was not informative too because it had a link).
An anecdotal slice of the time series data is not going to tell you anything. Considering that when you look at 3 month data you will see that the price for the past 3 months has been basically a sine wave oscilating between 14 and 18 a share. Considering that the stock was in the 1 to 2 dollar range from jan 02 to jan 03 when the current SCO execs bought their stock, I'd say that their plan (pump and dump) is working quite well. They just have to keep the fud going long enough to sell all their stock in smallish amounts over time (to keep off of the legal raday). Trust me at the current price, I doubt anyone at SCO is complaining about the free money.
Regarding the "wasting my time" and being "unprofessional", who cares. I use it, and its very effective in dealing with people that are, well, wasting my time.
I recently told this to a salesman, and now he gets all of his info together before he thinks of calling or mailing me. In a nutshell, he's not wasting as much of my time anymore. Give it a try sometime, trust me its very powerful.
Next hurdle for the RIAA is to PROVE these people were actually offering or distributing actual content the RIAA members own the copyright to.
Actually, its offering illegal content. If I own Metallica's Ride the Lightning album and my friend has already ripped it to mp3 for my player, its not illegal for me to download the mp3 from him.
If I were a lawyer, I would never take this case.
In my work I spend hours, months, and years producing "intellectual property" output.
In their work, they spend hours, maybe, just maybe months producing "intellectual property" output where the input is some megamillionaire boyband producer's ideas of how these kids that look good in the provided outfit should sing or whatever. And, they expect this effort to launch them into multimillionaire success for their lifetimes.
I too produce "intellectual property", but when my producing stops, so does my pay. I would imagine your in the same boat.
I don't know of a talented, hard working musician (ie, one that tours and plays music for a living) that has trouble making a comfortable living. There is E! True Hollywood Story documentaries and "where are they now"s for the others.
The music folks are just an order of magnitude stupider than the movie people are. Instead of messaging combined with clear product value propositions and additional rewards for buying more product, we get lawsuits, attempts to fix pricing on CD media, media that does not work, trash artists and on and on and on....
Nah, the music folks are just pissed that they can't collect big bucks for minimal product anymore. They are trying to scare ppl into thinking their product has value.
Ads aside, the movie people are pushing a much more viable product. Go shop around, ever notice that video dvds and cds cost about the same? Ever notice that the cds only have 16bit/44.1kHz 2 track audio and most dvds have 5+ channels of audio (often different mixes, extras, etc) plus a video track (again sometimes with alt takes, endings, or angles)?
My question is when will the RIAA start running out of money to do this sort of thing.
When people stop paying the overinflated prices of music CDs. I don't know what or if the RIAA gets for music video dvds, but I think there a much better value. For example, look at the content and cost of the latest Led Zepplin CDs and DVDs. Hint: The dvd has about 2x the footage, it has video, and 3 different sound mixes.
Since Microsoft already has strong ties with most of the vendors, and plenty of money to throw at promoting embeded Windows
I think its more a from product name recognition for customers than vendors. AFAIK, most vendors would not prefer to deal with M$ because its a slippery slope.
Also, the term "Windows" does not mean anything specific as far as a product that comes from M$. Its just a generic term for a generic OS from Microsoft (using a generic term for one aspect of a GUI). For example, I used to program smart cards and there were (are?) "Windows powered smartcards". Think about that for a minute. We are talking about a "computer" smaller than a penny that only has basic commands and data that go to it over a serial/usb cable. There is no GUI, no "windows", but the marketing dept realized that a "Windows powered smartcard" would be more marketable than I guess some other name.
Also, I do not believe that Windows CE has any common code with "Windows" or if it does, its very small. I can check with a CE developer to verify this.
On the other hand, Linux on embedded systems is really Linux. For the most part you can go to kernel.org and cross compile a kernel for your embedded device from the same code that you can power your server or workstation. To me this says volumes about the code layout of Linux vs. Windows vs. Microsoft's marketing dept.
EAL-rating only indicates how sure you are the product meets the profile (a set of security requirements). Saying it gets "EAL3 Certification" is like saying "We're now quite sure it does... eh... something"
A college degree only indicates how sure you are the person meets the profile (a set of learning and skill requirements). Saying it gets "A college degree" is like saying "We're now quite sure the person is... eh... able to learn something".
Trust me, there are many a bozo out there with a college degree, and there are, ahem, less than secure and robust OSes with EAL certification, but try to get a job where it says "College degree required" or install an OS where it says "EAL3 or higher required" and there is not that level of certification.
On an aside, college degrees are pretty worthless nowadays. At least a generic 4 year degree. I often see on job listings something like "College degree in XXX required or equivalent work experience". This is not as true with higher degrees or professional degrees. Sometimes I think about how much money I would be making now if I had _worked_ instead of going to school and racking up about $30,000 in college loans. Actually, I have seen data that says that the "Stay in school" programs are completly irrational. Supposedly, a HS dropout that goes to work will be making much more $$ immediately and in the future (because of experience and seniority) than a HS graduate. Kinda makes me wonder what the governmental/societal push is for going to school.
I never busted on Windows for being EALed. I will say that Windows and other OSes have much more robust auditing than Linux, and that has been a big deterant from government certifications with the Linux OS.
:). And to see this go from something that I played with on my 486 in my dorm to almost a brand name that is commonplace on TV ads and whatnot.
One thing that I think is interesting to note is that a _company_ providing a specific _distro_ of Linux is being certified here, not Linux proper. The company and specific distro thing is important because it shows the viability of making $$ off of open source software. Anyone can get all of the same source, etc off of the net and have their own Linux distro, but currently larger companies like RedHat and Suse are the most embrased distros out there by government, companies, education, and very importantly 3rd party hardware providers. I started using Linux when there was only Slackware and Yggdrasil. Maybe there were others at the time, but those are the only 2 that I remember. Anyway, I think that it is amazing that a bunch of hackers on the net were able to throw together (with SCO's IP of course!) an OS and all of the userland tools to be packaged together by a German company with the help of an American company (IBM) and able to achieve a decent certification level.
I don't bear too much weight in certs by themselves. Afterall, AIX, Solaris, Windows2000, and HPUX would all be the same if EAL4 was the only category of review. But a cert (like a college degree) opens up new doors that were otherwise not possible without them.
I am so grateful that I was able to freely download and view the source of Linux. My "certification" from college is in Psychology, and I have never had a computer course or any formal training or certification. But because of the openness of Linux, I was able to learn inside and out about the OS, how to program, etc (and get a real job
Keep up the good work guys! This is where the important stuff and the fun of Linux lives, not trying to get "Joe Six Pack" to use Linux on his PC at home.
You could be even more helpful if you'd tell us what is wrong with the linux desktop
OK, I'll bite.
1) where is the linux desktop? What is it called? Where do I get it?
2) When will cut/copy/and paste work?
3) How do I install new software?
4) How do I install new hardware?
Its hard to think of others, because I've used Linux for 9 years now, and am used to it, but there are plenty of things it needs before going prime time on the desktop. And ripping off Window's GUI is about the last priority. Why not rip off Apple? Back in 95 that is what Windows did.
Seeing shots like this really make me embarassed to use Linux.
I use Linux because of what it has to offer me.
I dont use Windows because it has nothing to offer me (verified by a phone call with M$ last week:).
I dont want Linux to look/behave/feel like Windows.
Why on earth would someone pay the same amount of money for something that looks and feels just like windows (shutter) but has 0% of the software and hardware support? Wanna impress me, try ripping off OSX first, or for crying out loud rip off a Mac slogan and "Think Different".
PROVEN the polygraph to have 50% accuracy rate
OK, proofs are something that cannot be disputed and are always true, unfortunately proofs have no place in science or empiricism. The coin can be proven mathematically that it will land on heads (or truth) 50% of the time, no empirical research can prove that a coin will land on heads 50% of the time, nor can the reliability of lie detectors be proven (nor "Newton's Laws", etc).