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Lie Detector Glasses Coming Soon
Zelphyr writes "The EE Times is reporting on a product soon to be released by an Israeli company that allows the wearer of special glasses to tell whether the person they are talking to is telling a lie. Not only that, they can tell you whether someone loves you! Apparently a PC version of the 'love detector' is in the works as well. Think my Windows box will be upset when it knows how much I hate it?"
V Entertainment claims the love detector has demonstrated 96 percent accuracy.
Oh, good. I'm glad that they have tested this empirically and have hard numbers for us.The bigotry of the nonbeliever is for me nearly as funny as the bigotry of the believer. - Albert Einstein
*sniff sniff*
Who farted?
Oh shit you got those new glasses
RUNNNNNNNNNN!
Better keeps this away from any large group of politicians... it just might explode.
The grass is only greener, if you don't take care of your own lawn.
... but where are the X-Ray glasses promised to us in the throngs of comic books of our youth? Hmmm?
User: "I need to reboot you to fix something.." Bill: "I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that.."
Damn it, that means we will need better excuses of what we are doing at work. The bosses will know when we are playing Counter-strike on the servers...
It will end up being a 'just wanna be friends' detector.
a lineup. I'll be the one who buries the needle on hate. Oh wait, that means I'm an average Slashdotter!
Do they have the spirals on the lenses?
'No Joe, you're reading it wrong, he just wants to fuck you.'
Gonzo Granzeau
"Nothing the god of biomechanics wouldn't let you into heaven for.." -Roy Batty
Think my Windows box will be upset when it knows how much I hate it?
No one is making you use Windows. If you hate it that much then quit using it or quit complaining. It doesn't make you look "cool" to the slashbots.
These love detection glasses are broken, I have never seen anything. I think I will stick to ye olde love tester
Just what I've always wanted, the unscientific* and unreliable results of traditional polygraphy, only in portable form!!
Where do I sign up?
(Oh, sorry.. there is research that has PROVEN the polygraph to have 50% accuracy rate.. ranking it right up there with the 'other' lie detector: A coin with the word 'truth' on one side and 'lie' on the other!)
Think my Windows box will be upset when it knows how much I hate it?
"Execute command control-alt-kill!"
Still no word on the x-ray vision glasses. I don't about you, but I can't wait for that release.
People might start watching politicians while wearing them.
Does anybody have a mirror for the following file. http://www.v-entertainment.com/downloads/vlovedete ctor.zip I wanted to try it out on my Pocket-PC.
I can just imagine what these things will do to the poker world! sheesh
"AHHHHH!!! My eyes!!! Ze goggles, ze do nothink!"
Nathan
Do you seriously think your Windows box cares if you love it or not? If it did, it'd be treating you much better.
Israeli company that allows the wearer of special glasses to tell whether the person they are talking to is telling a lie. Not only that, they can tell you whether someone loves you!
I was going to make a joke about these glasses telling me that the Israeli CEO was lying about the usefulness of his product, but then I realized I'd fallen into a logic paradox. : (
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"A Deepness in the Sky" which is a in the same universe as a "Fire Upon the Deep".
He gives a whole new meaning to the word "Focus".
And the dog critters are cute and an aurally distributed neural net.
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I just got a bunk estimate for a car repair (nickle 'n dime bullshit). I really should've known better....but maybe a pair of these would help. Yeah, I know it sounds stupid, but I wouldn't mind getting jerked around a bit less with stuff like this (auto repairs)..
I suppose this means we'll all learn to become better liars
Roffle? I bet you say that out loud in front of people, don't you?
Remember back in 96-97 there was a big rage in "lie detection software" which supposedly would analyze audio input of someone speaking and then match their voice stress level to either "True" or "False" indicators?
It was crap. I think more than a few morning radio shows tried to use it on their callers with failure after failure. I tried a copy myself and found that not only was it horribly written, but even if you were able to get the subject to "train" it (by answering several questions that are known to be true) it gave inncorrect responses virtually half the time.
Come to think of it, the software might have been made by an Israeli company too. Maybe the same one, I don't know. Can't remember the name but it was horrid.
Do I think the FBI/CIA might have technology like this, to analyze voice stress or facial temperature and determine if you are lying? Sure, why not. But there's a reason why lie detection technology is not admissible in court. It just doesn't work. Too many experts can beat it and too many amateurs get nervous and give false positives.
-JoeShmoe
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-- I wonder which will go down in history as the bigger failure: the War on Drugs or the War on Filesharing
...my mare, why am I putting that thing on her and what it means.
It is bad for you and for the Windows box to be living in the same house if you hate it. Obviously the Windows box isn't going anywhere, so it is up to you to take the initiative and move out. It'll be best for both of you.
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Darl McBride has protested against the possibility of jurors wearing lie-detection glasses.
Maybe, this one relies on the color of the person's aurora, something psychics have used for years to determine whether or not to trust a person. Don't worry, we have good old fashioned pseudoscience to back it up.
The World is Yours.
How about the "open to one night stand" detector.
Version 2 will work on pets. "your dog wants steak" all over again.
How about that new chick in accounting? "She's repulsed by your nosehair"
And... "lovehothatehungryliar" -- oh, just the psychopath in the next cubicle.
I bet they are not compatible with beer goggles.
Hay look ma i'm on slashdot's main page! Blah blah blah new invention blah blah. Windows sucksz!!
Buckle your ROFL belt, we're in for some LOLs.
If these work with at least 90% "accuracy" I say our elected politicians ban these, citing "national security!"
Sigh... if only.
The CB App. What's your 20?
Why do you still use Windows then? Why do people say they hate Windows/Hotmail/whatever, and carry on using it? The amount of Slashdot users that use Hotmail, and bitch about the mailbox size, or the amount of spam they get is amazing. Never heard of Yahoo? 6Mb free, and excellent anti-spam filters.
If I don't like something, I don't use it, full stop. There are times when people have wanted to chat to me on MSN, but I refuse to use it, as it's a messaging protocol owned by a company that could at any time lock 3rd party users out. There are times when there is software for Windows that would make my life easy, but I don't use it.
Grow a spine, don't use something you hate, and stand up for what you believe in, even if it's not the easiest option. If everyone took the easiest options in history, heaven knows what kind of dumbed down world we'd live in.
Get your own free personal location tracker
that these glasses will work every bit as well as a true polygraph - which is to say, not at all.
There are serious doubts as to whether polygraph machines actually work or are simply junk science... and that criticism is of using polygraphs in a controlled environment like an interrogation room used by law-enforcement types. Now this company wants us to believe that an under-paid & under-trained security screener working in a chaotic environment like a busy airport is going to be able to detect a lie using their unproven product? Ha!
Perfect, those will go right along with my X-Ray glasses.
My karma is not a Chameleon.
Our products were originally for law enforcement use -- we get all our technology from Nemesys-co...
Nemesys-co? What, are they a division of the E-Ville Group or something?
Obliteracy: Words with explosions
the future is now!
we can fill out forms online that say "if female then i love you", and now we can meet them in real life and find out the exact opposite! the only people that make out on this are the people who make cars, sell gasoline, and run inet hookup sites. we can now expedite the pointless!
slashdot: where everyone yells sarcastic metaphors to themselves to understand the issue
the Peril Sensitive model that turns black when there are disturbing events around you?
...considering even humans can't reliably detect lying face-to-face. Whether it's your mother, sister, aunt, or stranger at the bus stop, we consistently overestimate our abilities to detect deception. In reality, we're generally no better than chance (50/50) at detecting lies. See UCSF professor Paul Ekman's work for more references.
but seriusly do you actualy think it will work. The consumer available ones have about 30% accuaracy, I think one that doesn't actualy make contact with the person would be less effective.
Damn..these things must be broken....
It says all the women hate me and that they are lying when they say they are already seeing someone....hehe
Business is Business and Business must grow, Regardless of crummies in tummies you know... -Onceler
"Do you, Prescott Stephens, take this woman to be your lawfully wedded wife?"
"I do."
"NOOO, according to my lie-detector glasses you are LYING!!!"
Do not pass GO, do not collect $200.
You wouldn't believe how often women lie when you ask them "Are you carrying pepper spray?"
Trolling is a art,
They've already got these things in airports and malls. You put in a quarter, and you each hold the handles, and boom, five seconds later the little LEDs show you if she loves you.
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You're mad at me.
No, I'm not.
Yes, you are. Don't lie. I can tell when you lie.
I'm not lying. And I'm not mad at you.
I can tell you're getting angry.
And somehow I was in a perfectly good mood before this conversation...
You used to love me so much...
WTF. I still love... GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
:)
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I work at my computer to get away from that every once in a while.
... for the State of the Union Speech.
We don't see the world as it is, we see it as we are.
-- Anais Nin
These glasses must be standard issue in American government nowadays. No WMDs? Well, since we've gotten these here glasses we know you're lying. Send the troops. Oh you want to visit our country? Better line you up for fingerprints and photos 'cause we KNOW y'all foreigners are terrorists. This gadget could justify what racial profiling wanted to accomplish.
If this is anywhere near as accurate as face-recognition, I hope it crashes and burns. The last thing we need in these days of extreme paranoia is another false-positive tool that helps turn neighbor against neighbor.
"we get all our technology from Nemesys-co"
seriously. phonetically, this sounds like nemesis, just the type of people i trust in lie detection technology.
i wonder if they have a secret island 'lair' in which they test these wonderful things. one day they may hold the world hostage for, oh i don't know...
1 billion dollars?
rawr.
Instead of color-coded LEDs, a bar graph on the display indicates how much the caller to whom you are speaking "loves" you.
Oh great, now girlfriends the world over can `prove' that their boyfriends don't love them enough.
I know, that's not a problem for most slashdotters, but..
Do I look fat in this?
Did you like the meal I made?
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I can see disaster and a lot of broken relationships.
In times like these, it is helpful to remember that there have always been times like these. - Paul Harvey
How can you tell if a politician is lying?
You watch his mouth. If it's moving, he's lying.
John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net)
In other news, divorce rates sky rocketed to 98% following the release of these glasses.
With your neck on my shoulders we could wreck civilization!
Yes, I'm sure they are beta testing the glasses on the Palestinians
So l33t I can't comp33t!
whether the person they are talking to is telling a lie. Not only that, they can tell you whether someone loves you!
I stood in front of the mirror wearing it. It exploded with "I love you" and "Its a lie" conflict!
Free XBox, PS2
...when I can buy it on ThinkGeek.
"where words meet intent, lies rhetoric's lament"
Hmmm, do I wear my X-Ray glasses today or my Lie Detector glasses..
Damn all these fashion choices!
If these glasses work, they'll get banned anyway.
Imagine "I did not have a sexual relationship with that woman" or "My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we are giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence."
Otherwise there are either going to be riots or people laughing themselves to death all over the world.
I bet this technology is on par with bow-lingual, and probably about as useful...
Great. Just what we need. The only people who could profit from this one are lawyers. In fact, If I were a divorce lawyer, I'd be giving the damn things away.
..." will leave our lexicon. Visitors at Computer Trade Shows will be blinded from the incessant flashing of the alarms.
With any luck, they won't work.
Do we really want to know when we're being lied to? This means the end of dating. The end of advertising.
Politicians, however have it made. You can't lie about that which you know nothing of.
I won't even start with the entire IT industry- suffice it to say that the phrase "this software will allow you to
One can only hope it doesn't work with magazine ads, newsmagazines, and newspapers; I'll have to give up reading altogether.
This is not a polygraph. Take your stats elsewhere, or supply some stats relevant to lie detection based on voice. (NO, that is not a polygraph.)
No, it won't care...much. It will just crash a bit more. Passive aggressive it is.
Why would they bother using these to 'interview' foriegners. I thought that was what tasers and thorazine were for?
obligitory simpsons ScullyThis is a simple lie detector, i'll ask you a few yes or no questions and you just answer truthfully, do you understand?
HomerYes
lie detector explodes
I Mean it is hard, but what if ANY other country with such a horrible Human Rights record as Isreal came up with a lie detector 'prototype' and claimed to market it.
Would you buy a detector from N.Korea (or S.Korea), Pakistan, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Chile, Argentina, Turkey, Belarus, Angola, Guatamala, Uganda, Or The *n*t**d St**t*s.
Even the Best polygraph tools are only 50% accurate. It isn't anti-semetic to call a country which has never kept a treaty or accord in my entire life 'Isreal' but it is a little more than shady to use their tools and methodology in any (so called) War on Terror
--Shaddup and support your local PBS station Plan for it
So let's assume the 90% accuracy figure is not bullshit (which it probably is). That means 1 out of 10 innocent passengers will be harrassed as suspected terrorists and 1 out of 10 terrorists will be allowed through. Not especially comforting thoughts in either case.
Besides being a great book, until these "lie-detectors" have near or at 100% accuracy, instead of 89% reported by a Midwest police department cited in the article, they will still not be able to determine anything that would be admissible in court.
Now where did I leave my glasses...
I'll take odds that Nevada outlaws these sorts of gadgets as soon as they become available to the general public, as does any other state where gambling is legal. Not that it'd help with games like blackjack, roulette, craps, etc. but it sure would help with various forms of poker - stud, hold'em, etc.
A certain percentage of the population lies so comfortably and so easily that this sort of thing is useless for catching them in a lie. Guess which percentage of the population politicians are in?
Is it fascism yet?
Want to learn how to lie well? Just practice your campaign speech in front of this thing.
96% accurate huh? Well, I'll just point my lie detector glasses at your lie detector glasses and see if your glasses are really telling the truth.
And all this coming from V-Entertainment. Well entertainment is right...they probably just tested these things against 100 SCO employees and asked them if they had any evidence. The 4 that were marked inaccurate really did have evidence but to the contrary.
"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a fat white guy who is threatened by change."
The system used green, yellow and red color codes to indicate a "true," "maybe" or "false" response.
guess what? in 99% cases indicator will be stuck at "maybe" for sure. BS.
Polygraphing is a given hot topic, there are zealots in both proponent and opponent camps. I find it diffucult to find an objective source of information on the topic and its accuracy.
Antipolygraph.org has a link here
and the American Polygraph Association has a link here
Dogma - "let's just say we'd like to avoid any empirical entanglements."
In Babylon 5, the normals created Psi Corps to protect their civil rights. But in reality, telepaths would be gleefully hired by the government to "protect" us. In order to pass laws to limit telepaths, government would have to be willing to reduce its own power! Can anyone imagine that happening?
Dammit! It's going to make it harder for us to marry for money. Oh well. Maybe if I convince her I love her money. No... That's not right.
I've hit Karma 50 and gotten a Score:5, Troll... I win!
Very original.
It's from Israel, isn't it? If El Al isn't using these for security, I don't see any reason to trust them to work.
"They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
Perhaps if these things became sufficiently popular, people would be forced not to lie anymore, but lying is part of what keeps our society together.
Whats happens if you look in a mirror while wearing these?
One bad monkey spoils the whole barrel.
In related news, Spring fashion shows are featuring the veil!
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the question 'Do I look fat in these pants?'
;-)
Is nothing sacred anymore
Bah, who needs these glasses when you can have immortality rings for the low low price of 25 bucks? Alexchiu.com.
Yeah, but the psychological power of being hooked up to a machine that can tell if you are lying is huge. Sure, the system can be beaten, and that has been proven. But most people don't know that, and furthermore don't know how to beat it. So they might be willing to divulge the truth more readily if they believe that if they lie they will be caught. That is why the term "lie detector" is much more ominous than "polygraph".
Is there a way to programmatically tell if someone is lying? I think there are general "tells" that most people do when they lie, and a computer can be taught to recognize these. But I don't think it will generally be accurate enough to escape harsh (and well deserved) scrutiny from the scientific community.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
If they actually worked, what it would do to poker games across the world. "I See that your bluffing".
Have you ever been to a turkish prison?
Regardless of the fact that the technology probably isn't accurate, if such a device is ever perfected and put into widespread use, it would be the end of normal social interactions (which maybe the slashdot crowd desires.) But no longer could someone tell a white-lie to protect a friends feeling, or let someone down gently, or tell their kids half-truths to protect them until they are older. Bluffing in poker would be obsolete. Millions of people would lose their jobs as their skills in marketing and sales would be rendered null. Lastly, the institution of marriage will be destroyed as millions of wives ask their husbands if "they look fat."
If they actually worked, the US gumnt would have already passed laws against them.
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I didn't see any mention of having to calibrate the device or ask control questions. Are they really claiming to be able to extract all that information from so little input?
Just thinking about the example question, "Do you plan on hijacking this plane?"... Everyone is going to answer "Yes". One word. One syllable, even. Can they really take a bunch of single-syllable responses, from people with such diverse backgrounds as you would find at an international airport, and determine who's lying?
If the device DOES have to be calibrated for a particular individual, then that drastically reduces its usefulness.
The law enforcement version achieved about 70 percent accuracy in laboratory trials, according to V Entertainment, and better than 90 percent accuracy against real criminal subjects at a beta test site at the U.S. Air Force's Rome Laboratories.
So ... more than 8000 algorithms. And it gets even better results in a field trial than it does in the laboratory. They didn't mention its secret, unbreakable encryption with the 10^6 bit key -- just slipped their mind, I suppose.
And, of course, this technology is so super-duper that they won't sell it to the government, but will market it to gulli^H^H^H^H^H ordinary consumers.
Apparently the market for lunar green cheese flavored with snake oil is thriving (see: P.T. Barnum's Law of Applied Economics).
i see one of these in voigt kampf machines in glasses form.
Large print giveth, and the small print taketh away
John Ashcroft has lobbied to have the lie-detecting glasses industry install anti-nipple display technologies into their products. Any time the wearers were to observe bare nipples, black bars are displayed. Any evenly-spaced round pinkish areas may also be obscured by such technology making said glasses a potential driving hazard.
It reminds me of the old joke about a mental patient that believed that he was Napoleon Bonaparte. After many years of treatment, he was ready to be released. As a final test, they gave him a polygraph examination. When asked whether he was Napoleon Bonaparte, he said no. The polygraph examiner concluded that he was lying.
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Screech made a love detector over a decade ago. He even proved that peanut butter and jelly aren't very affectionate toward each other.
Tasers and thorazine are for American citizens only. Foreigners get pentothal and a straight razor.
Polygraph tests, and probably these glasses, too, make far too many assumptions about certain physiological responses which occur when someone is not being truthful. Firstly, they assume that a raise in heart rate or pulse can only mean that the person is lying, which is simply untrue. Secondly, unlike polygraphs, there's no way for these glasses to perform a control on the person being examined (meaning that you measure what a person's "normal" physiological patterns are like). And even those controls performed are dubious, at best, because there are simply too many variables to consider. Even in basic psychology classes, they go into the problems with polygraphs in detail, and it's not hard to deconstruct the test's assumptions, even for first-year university students.
Suppose you went up to a girl and asked her when the last time she gave a blow job was, and she answers you (hypothetically, she'd probably slap you in reality). You'd probably register a raise in blood pressure and heart rate. Are you to conclude that she lied to you? No, that's simply absurd. You asked her a personal question, out of the blue. Of course she'd be surprised. Furthermore, are you going to act normally and cooly when someone with glasses that can supposedly tell whether you're lying or not is asking you questions? Probably not. If you're an innocent man being polygraphed to see if you've committed a relatively serious crime, you're not exactly going to be acting normally, either.
Polygraph results are inadmissible in court for a good reason. I have a very hard time buying their "96% accurate" figure.
Thanks. Are you sure they don't make me look fat?
One bad monkey spoils the whole barrel.
you fool, learn some HTML and learn to link
According to Nemesysco, its accuracy as a lie detector has proven to be less important than its ability to more quickly pinpoint for interrogators where there are problems in a subject's story.
Is it me or is there something funny about that statement? If it's not accurate then why even bother with the story? Seems to me I'd want something that is accurate AND helps me see problems in the subjects story.
~~ Behold the flying cow with a rail gun! ~~
I think your lying...
Great! Can we use the glasses on their creators to expose this for the horse crap it probably is?
I think they need to have these guys make glasses which detect if the person you are looking at has a bomb strapped to his waist.
Manipulate the moderator system! Mod someone as "overrated" today.
Oh wow! You love me. Uh... You're looking awfully horny today.
Uh... Sorry... I'm not _that_ type of guy.
Hey! This thing is beeping... would you like to go on a blind date?
Honey, this thing says you love me lots so you better buy me a BIG ring!
Uh Honey, the latest version of this thing says you don't love me at all. I'll have to contact my lawyer about my will.
The company selling this is V Entertainment. And entertainment company, right? Just like the Psychic Friends Network is for entertainment purposes only, but have your credit card ready.
.but we need more development time [for that application]" Translation: They didn't buy the marketing bullshit, and it doesn't work.
"Our products were originally for law enforcement use . .
Yeah, the war on terrorism is won already.
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"Why do you still use Windows then? Why do people say they hate Windows/Hotmail/whatever, and carry on using it? The amount of Slashdot users that use Hotmail, and bitch about the mailbox size, or the amount of spam they get is amazing. Never heard of Yahoo? 6Mb free, and excellent anti-spam filters."
Or you could use a service that I've found called Shadango.com which allows me to check all my email addresses from one interface(including yahoo, hotmail, (and they're filtered!)) On top of that I get 20MB for each address! Now my work and personal addresses are accessable all in one spot. And the best part is it's free. If you're tired of corporate giants and monopolies then quit supporting them!
It's hard to win a fight when you don't know where to swing.
-Willie
The way I see it, there are major ethical implications to this kind of technology. I can see it now - the first attempted use of this in a rape defense - "According to my glasses, she was lying when she said 'no', and also, she loved me!!"
Even if these things were 100% effective (and there are serious philosophical problems with ever being able to show that empirically), I think they'd be a bad idea. Believe it or not, dishonesty has its place in the maintenance of interpersonal relations. Utterly getting rid of it would likely end up being worse than the problem that we're trying to solve. Better is to help people use their own built-in ability to detect emotions/truthfulness more effectively.
Finally, any technology (currently at least) that does sucessfully detect emotions will be prone to the same kind of 'arms race' that we see in spam detection. 'Professional' liers will learn to slip by the system, rendering whatever advantage it gave us meaningless.
If my enemy's enemy is my friend, what happens if my enemy is his own worst enemy?
If you don't like it, don't read it.
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". . . when it knows how much I hate it?"
Only if you don't buy the latest Windows and throw out your old machine as soon as it's released.
..try before buying ? I wanna see if the salesperson is telling me the truth :)
Us paranoids are damned no matter what we say!
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And I thought Will was wearing the glasses to be cool....
a clean mouth means a happy mouth...so they can smile while they lie.
What else did you think those BSOD were caused by?
Help fight continental drift.
But I think it's broke ... they flash bright red whenever I try to read the article ...
The "Does Anal?" detector.
...if you're assuming that the glasses become the only check in place, the post is right on the money. :p
Alito: A vote for Alito is a punch in the eye to put that bitch back in her place!
What would happen if you got a pair of these anywhere near McBride? The damn thing would probably go off like a car alarm!
Quit whining and format your hard drive if you hate Windows so much. Surely you know about the alternative, being a /. reader and all.
Do you mean NetBSD? ;)
Just kidding!
Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
It will think you are a masochist, if you keep using it while hating - and will punish you more.
MSDOS: 20+ years without remote hole in the default install
Did anyone else think these measured the degree of pupil dilation? Seems feasible to me.
Interrigator: Checks out sir, you're ok sir, you're free to go. Moe: Good, cause I got a hot date tonight. (Lie detector buzz) Moe: Odd date (Lie detector buzz) Moe: Dinner with friend (Lie detector buzz) Moe: Dinner alone (Lie detector buzz) Moe: Watching TV alone (Lie detector buzz) Moe: All right! I'm gonna sit at home and ogle the ladies in the Victoria Secret catalog! (Lie detector buzz) Moe: Sears catalog (Lie detector ding) Moe: Would you unhook this already, please?! I don't deserve this kind of sappy treatment! (Lie detector buzz)
I mod down pyramid schemes in sigs.
Really?
Do you have the results of your experiment online anywhere I can see them? How large was your sample?
More importantly, how did you get one of these gadgets to test with? I'd love to get one to run some field tests.
(Waits for, "do you know what sarcasm is?" reply)
The best way to find the truth is with evidence. So, since the Pocket PC "Love Detector" is downloadable, maybe someone here with a pocket PC could download it, try it on a number test subjects and report back how my times they got slapped?
... on time for the next SCO press conference?
I can see it now! I'm gonna go to the club wearing these... "Do I make you horny baby?"
Is this what they do when they're not busy committing genocide in the occupied territories and stealing other peoples land?
Forget lie detection. What I need is a pair of Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses so I can develop a relaxed attitude to danger (A working model of which can be found here).
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
on Monty Python...
If she floats she's a weetch
--Shaddup and support your local PBS station Plan for it
Not only that, [goggles] can tell you whether someone loves you!
:-P
If you are a total loser, how do you ever know if it works? It would give the same answer always. It would be like testing an honesty-finder at SCO headquarters
Table-ized A.I.
The EE Times is reporting on...
Since when has the regurgitation of press releases been upgraded to "reporting"?
Anyway, it's just the old voice stress detector that keeps coming up again and again. Yes, it can analyse stress in a person's voice with an accuracy somewhat better than tossing a coin. Some problems are that stress can be caused by lots of reasons other than telling a lie, many people can lie without any significant stress and finally, it's almost useless without knowing the baseline values for that person.
Voice stress analysis is nearly useless for any specific case, but it can still be useful statistically. For example, knowing which of your customer service representatives tend to have higher stress levels in their voice (or in the caller's voice) at the end of the call compared to the baseline level at the beginning of the call.
Stop worrying about the risks of nuclear power and start worrying about the risks of not using nuclear power.
Can the product tell if a deaf person loves me? What about a deaf-mute?
Windows is Windows, so I guess it deals with your hatred the same as it does with all large amounts of data. Meaning it would probably cause a buffer overflow and give you administrator access.
Hate me!
Fortunately no /. readers have to worry if anyone is in love with them.
Oh, BURN!!! lol
"Ain't I a stinka..." - Bugs
So on a flight with 250 passengers, 25 get harrassed, even though it's unlikely on any one flight that any of them are terrorists. Lovely!
... that created the collars for dogs and cats that can "translate" their barks and meows? If so, good luck with those glasses and I've got this great piece of ocean front property that I want to sell you for $7,000. No, you can't see it first.
Nice. But couldn't you find a way to pack in a newline at the end to keep clear of the next prompt?
David Gould
main(i){putchar(340056100>>(i-1)*5&31|!!(i<6)<< 6)&&main(++i);}
Windows box? I'd worry more about your table saw.
Cloned foods give the statement "We had that last week!" a whole new meaning.
There's no serious doubt about polygraph machines. They are simply crap backed up by mysterious slight of hand and big words.
I have seen ads for similar glasses that give you X-Ray-Vision in the back of comic books too...
You mean it's not a joke??? What kind of news for nerds lags a month behind spammers?
Amir Lieberman, the developer of the system, is also responsible for the previous rash of questionable truth detector software, which happens to be still available. It did recommend training, and it was widely sold for its ability to work over the phone. It even has a sequal. (warning, Not compatible with Opera. Probably not Mozilla.)
Namesysco doesn't claim very high accuracy for the Truster software. "The voice analyst achieved an overall accuracy rate of 78% for truthful subjects and 61% for deceptive subjects." In other words, only 10% more liars were caught than flipping a coin, while 22% of innocent subjects were considered lying.
The American Polygraph Society does not have a much rosier view of the situation. They have concluded that Computerized Voice Stress Analysis, and specifically the Truster software, has only a "chance-level detection of deception,"
And actually, the dead giveaway to the scam should be from the lion's mouth himself. "Our products were originally for law enforcement use ? we get all our technology from Nemesys-co ? but we need more development time [for that application]" In other words, "our products don't work and can't be sold unless you slap a 'for entertainment purposes only' label upon them. Our products are to 'entertain' airport security."
Good catch.
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Personally, if someone came up to me in an airport or anywhere else with flashing lights on their glasses it's safe to say my blood pressure would go up. (FREAK ALERT!!!)
ouch.. modded to hell. sigh, i wonder if u people think i am serious
ah well what the hell, troll i be, and posting tasteless comedy fills me with glee
The underlying technology for the device is produced by Nemisysco of Israel. If you go to their site you see that the eyeglasses use their "Entertainment" class detection engine.
... The more professional the investigation is, and the more risk is in stake, the sensitivity of the test must be reduced to avoid "White Noise" ..."
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All the investigative level engines use low or auto-adjustable sensitivity. The Entertainment-level devices use "Normal" sensitivity (ie less accurate).
The only "High" sensitivity software listed is for an Entertainment-level device aimed at children.
So I think we can safely assume that "Normal" sensitivity is really "High" since a kid's toy would be a just-for-fun device that could be demonstrated in use, by kids, to be wrong enough of the time that it's still cool to play with.
Whew. Not only doesn't it work, but the software developers actually say as much.
if they are ugly big a good test on how they work could be asking how good you look with them to a polite person.
Who modded this guy funny ? Since when is repeating the first paragraph of the article funny ?
,the first thought I had was, if I get asked this question at an airport now, by people wearing glasses, it would be tempting to say yes, or ask if blowing the plane up counts? This is just another syptom of a much larger problem, the government is now so scared of being viewed as not doing enough for security, that they will jump at the chance to appear to be doing something, no matter how misguided, and no matter how many civil liberties they have to trample on to do it.
Well, the first paragrapg of the article is kind of funny. Anyone who truly believes that this voice analyzer will be able to work as a lie detector on anyone, without a baseline of that person to go from, deserves to be laughed at. Granted, with the current atmosphere in the US today, with reguards to airport security, the government might just buy it.
Though, I have to say that, on seeing this
Necessity is the mother of invention.
Laziness is the father.
Let him testify under oath about the whole story!
Think that will happen? Haha! Not a fuckin chance.
He's been jacked full of mind-screwing drugs since the day he was taken by the US, and is being brainwashed as we speak, by US 'intelligence' operatives.
"No! I never spoke to Cheney!"
"No! I never shook hands with Rumsfeld or George Bush Sr!"
"No! I never purchased poison gas from Americans!"
"Yes! I played footsie with Osama every night!"
Actually, playing a game of poker with these glasses would be neat. Playing a game where everyone knows what the lie detector says... but who chooses to bet on its integrity? :o
It was a serious problem in my 6th grade class.
Mr. Hardy would have killed for a pair of glasses that would solve the SBD mystery...
*Not responsible for any bodily injury that may occur while wearing glasses during a SCO press release.
Okay, not to sound "Pro-Semitic" or anything (though I don't see why I shouldn't), but I find it even harder to imagine "ANY other country" with a history of exercising such incredible restraint and forbearance in its responses to such a volume of terrorist attacks as Israel being considered to have "such a horrible Human Rights record".
(Oh, and to the other responders: if I'm reading his last paragraph correctly, it sounds like his misspelling of "Israel" was a deliberate insult, not an unintended spelling error. Doesn't explain his inability to spell "Semitic", though.)
David Gould
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The love detector seems like it will be useless... anyone who buys one of these probably doesn't have anyone who loves them.
My XP box already knows how mad I am at it.
Cyde Weys Musings - Scrutinizing the inscrutable
Some people are just fucking whiny babies. If you don't like Windows, DON'T RUN IT! And don't give me that "oh I have to run it for ..." bullshit either.
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why am I not suprised ?...
"Not only that, they can tell you whether someone loves you!"
If you can't tell if someone loves you, you either never had someone love you or you are reading slashdot too much.
No they're not lying, you see... They actually be believe what they are saying!
Constitutional rights may be respected, repealed, or modified; but they must never be ignored.
Think my Windows box will be upset when it knows how much I hate it?"
Like a parot born with tentacles, I think it would understand.
Do I look fat in this?
No, that dress doesn't make you look fat.
(sotto voce: your fat ass does).
Did you like the meal I made?
Nobody cooks like you do honey.
(most people know what they're doing).
You can't take the sky from me...
"Honey, did you fuck the secretary today?"
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Roses are #FF0000, Violets are #0000FF, find / -name '*base*' |xargs chown -R us && mv zig greatjustice
... that this story is next to yet another SCO lawsuit ?
Truster! Yes, that's exactly it. So many people plunked down for that load of garbage, what a scam. Offer someone people want badly enough they are willing to believe it exists when in fact it does not.
My guess is that in five or six more years after everyone forgets how poorly these glasses work, we can look forward to the introduction of Amir's amazing new telepathy lie detection kit that will let you use a helmet to read people's minds and determine if they are 10% more likely to be lying or not.
-JoeShmoe
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-- I wonder which will go down in history as the bigger failure: the War on Drugs or the War on Filesharing
Well its actualy a camcorder but it WORKS!
m l
http://www.advanced-intelligence.com/through.ht
of great more cops in big aviator style sunglass.
The only thing this device can measure is physiological arousal level, and it can't tell one kind of arousal from another. This is precisely the same problem with polygraph.
Both require interpretation. That requires training. Both can be bamboozled by anyone who can control their physio responses. That requires training too; yoga is good, but biofeedback is very simple and nearly subconscious.
Anyone can learn to fool them. And I am not about to place my personal safety in the hands of some previously underemployed and undereducated, and presently overworked and undertrained glorified rent-a-cop. I mean, my respect and sympathy to the hardworking TSA people at the airports, but they are not EVER going to receive adequate training to be able to correctly interperate physiological response measures in context. I would rather trust a Scientologist with their "clearing" device (a simple electrodermal activity meter) because at least they have experience in interperating their results in the context of a structured interview. A polygraph is not a structured interview, and some security guard spouting random accusations in the form of questions definitely is not.
I sincerely hope this is just another bogus device that is being publicized as part of the general anti-terrorism psyops, to keep the bad guys guessing as to what can really be done. Let them spend a few million on more high tech Dunsels. But if they deploy these for regular use, everyone who had too much coffee that morning and just rushed in late from a traffic jam to the airport is going to be targeted.
BTW, the sign on my office (room 9-151, VA Hospital, West Haven CT) says "Electrophysiology Lab". I know whereof I rant.
"I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
Iraq has more oil than Venezuela. If you've only got enough troop strength to invade and occupy one country, Iraq gives you more barrels for the buck.
--R.J.
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Well, you'll know it wants to find out if you love it or not when all of a sudden it starts wearing glasses.
Cause AFAIK Windows boxes don't have too many eyesight problems. Nor from my experience do they hear well. Though they respond quickly, if erratically, to physical discipline.
How much concussive force are we expecting, here? Mmm-hmm, I see...
Is it enough to, say, implode a human skull?
Just curious.
How much were these glasses again? Can I buy them in bulk? Say, about (quick civics recollection) 500 of them?
If it's that bad under normal circumstances, I wonder how bad it would be in a stress filled environment like airport security. After all, many people there will have already struggled to not be late, be afraid of security delays, possibly fearful of flying, be dreading spending the next 4 or more hours in cattle class, and on and on.
Given that the device looks for stress in the voice, it would be a far from ideal environment for it to work well in.
If you really want to mess with some heads, be sure to answer "yes" when they ask if you're going to hijack the plane. Note: This only works if you're convinced you're not going to hijack the plane.
If the device registers a false response, how much do you think they'd trust it?
Actually the way i see it how do you decide which thing someone said was a lie? By and large people are completely full of bullshit... i think i'd just notice if the things said there was a chance the guy was telling the truth
My magic eight ball I had when I was younger may have been a little more hit or miss, but at least I could find out if I was going to pass a test too.
how do these work? are they just infrared sensors?
I for one would love to have the ability- preferably by a monacle, though glasses would look more normal- to see infrared. you can learn a lot from a person's IR "aura." the claim here is dorky enough is that it may be cheap enough for me...
Working toward a usable PDA environment in the spirit of Newton OS: Dynapad
So let's assume the 90% accuracy figure is not bullshit (which it probably is).
In other words, their own tech allegedly mis-reported the usefulness of this "lie detektion" technology, thus the offending 10% were labeled as dis-functional. Then of the "favorable 90%" tech, again 10% of that remaining of the first culture found the technology to not be useful; ad infinitum! This is like how in The Matrix there is always that small 10% of the slaves that "reject" the overall lies of their overlords.
Do you not understand evil when it slaps you upside the face? For instance, imagine a barrel of priceless wine: if you drop 1% volume of shit (feces) into the barrel of priceless wine, then it ALL tastes like shit. If you have a barrel of shit and pour 1% volume of a priceless wine into said barrel, then you STILL have a barrel of SHIT.
In other related news, 9 out of 10 dentists deny to have ever disliked recommending everyone to brush their teeth. Mr. RJ ToothDriller proclaims, "Due to responsible people, I no longer have enough work and money as to feed my family...off to the welfare office I go."
Okay, this does sound like a good idea, but I have my doubts as to the accuracy of the testing. AFAIK there's no such thing as a reasonably accurate test for truth...
We're not that far removed from the ignorant barbarian rulers of days gone past - there appear to be too many people who have got to where they are by shouting loudly or being related to someone that can - and there's always someone ready to tell them how wonderful they are and sell them the magic beans. The problem is, the people who are clueless and don't care would never read or listen to anything that is not trendy, so they're destined to stay that way.
i want the flying cars, teleporters, floating toilets, and x-ray goggles promised to me in the 80s damnit!
Matt
You have 1 Moderator Point! Use it or lose it! Is that a threat? -vapid
My guess is the remaining 10%? What do I win?
Let's make some assumptions that should help make the case for this kind of screening:
.0002
.9
.01
... a 2 in one hundred chance he really is one.
.0002, and that the test is not nearly as reliable as these figures assume (IMHO), the result will be even worse.
Frequency of terrorists in the sample population:
Sensitivity of test:
(That's the chance the test says x is a terrorist given that x really is one)
Specificity of test:
(that's the chance the test says x is a terrorist given that x is not one - false positive rate)
These assumptions and good old Bayes' Theorem allow us to say that if x tests positive for being a terrorist then there is
Given that the frequency of terrorists (even just at airports) is **way** less than
General screening is basically worthless.
... oh wait, all you have to do is look at their desktop and see Linux to know that.
Well, if you want one to play with, there's always TVSA3.
It's a bit hard find copies of it online, so I keep a copy of the last version I could find here, and a version that I recompiled with a modern compiler (so the program doesn't crash under windows ) here.
It's a simple little command line program, that takes as input a 16 bit wav file sampled at 11025 hz, and outputs a wav file, with beeps inserted where the stress level of the speaker was over a threshold.
It's rather slow - I keep intending to rewrite it to use a modern FFT library to see if I can get it to run in realtime, as well as port it to unix and OSX. Maybe someday I'll find time...
"Remember Jerry, it's not a lie if you believe it."
We want some answers and all that we get
Some kind of shit about a terrorist threat
- Ministry
I can't imagine how the world will change if most people wear this thing - as I expect them to. I don't know if it would be for the better. I mean, on one hand it curbs lieing, but on the other hand it might simply make our increasingly anti-social society that much more so! Heck, we may all end up speaking with Hawking-like devices.
I mean, maybe your neighbor's wife turns you on. You can't help that. And, so long as you don't do anything there's nothing wrong. But if you knew he had a 'lust detector' on his answering machine, would you ever call him?
Does it hurt to hear them lying? Was this the only world you had?
I'd say they're as objective as you get, unless of course you believe in some kind of "science-conspiracy"..
You forget that "science" is controlled by fallible humans, not infallible angels. While scientists claim to be about research and the scientific method, almost every science is plagued by some degree with ego and monied interests. Case in point: my sig. Another one: the "nutritionists" cave-in on the Atkins diet. Here's another: global warming (or, as it's called now, "global climate change"). I suppose if these "scientists" were really living up to their creed (facts and reasoning) then we wouldn't see such divisions at all, would we?
I don't make the rules. I just make fun of them.
How will male human beings be able to get laid, if all women will know they don't love them and just want to get laid? :)
I just got some of these, and when I looked at a picture of darl mcbride, they broke..
I can just see this scenario...
Screener: Sir, are you going to hijack this plane?
Terrorist: (hesitates, then speaks in a panicked voice)Yes, I am!
Screener: My glasses indicate that you are lying. Please get on the plane.
"Trust in haste. Repent at leisure"
Another post noted that the quoted accuracy rate for detecting lying individuals is actually just above 50%, not much better than chance.
Accuracy rates of "90%" have to be questioned due to base rates.
Let's say that you have 100 people. 10 of those are lying, 90 are telling the truth. If you just guess that all 100 individuals are telling the truth, you could quote an accuracy level of 90%.
The same arguments apply if you select your test subjects such that 10% are telling the truth and 90% are lying, and you always guess that the individual is lying.
This "lie detection" stuff based on these sorts of things is always such bullshit. Manipulating the statistics in this way is just the tip of the iceberg. There's a whole host of other problems relating to experimental confounds having to due with the fact that the individuals using the "detection devices" are skilled interviewers. They'd have the same accuracy rate in detecting lies without the armband, glasses, electrodes, or whatever the hell it is now.
Time was, a man's word was a sacred trust, and to call a man a liar was a serious charge not to be uttered lightly. Now everyone is assumed to be lying, and we must ferret out the liars wearing some quasi-scientific glasses. The first person wearing one of these and asking me a question will be in no doubt about my sincerity when I tell him to bite me. How many humanity killing mind numbing gauntlets can I take! I'm getting close to my limit.
Excellent points. I'd also add that sometimes, being polite and faking interest in someone you find really boring or obnoxious has indirect payoffs. Just because you don't like that one person doesn't mean you might not like their friends. If you act like a jerk to them, what's the chances the people who do get along well with them will think much of you?
I don't think a "love detector" will end up being much more than an entertainment device. Sounds like it could be a blast at a party or something.... but even when it's right and it sniffs out someone who is currently infatuated with you, would that person be ready to admit that the machine is correct? (After all, if they didn't make a strong effort to let you know they have a thing for you, maybe there are underlying reasons? Maybe they know it might strain/jeopardize a friendship they have with another person to make that announcement public at that time? Maybe they're not the impulsive type and they want more time to think through what they're feeling? I bet many people would flat out deny that a detector of this sort was correct, even though it was.)
I would say "funny", but irony can be insightful too, I guess.
- Murphy's Corollary: - It is impossible to make things foolproof because fools are so ingenious.
If a woman thinks an erection is a good way of knowing that a man loves her, then she probably believes he'll still respect her in the morning, too!
- Murphy's Corollary: - It is impossible to make things foolproof because fools are so ingenious.
I've bought a pair of these glasses, actually, and I was disappointed.
They were being sold by a company I found in a comic book I was reading.
When I finally received my Lie Detector Glasses, they turned out to be cheap plastic, with cardboard "lenses" with big red and yellow swirls printed on them. They had small holes in the middle of each "lens" and you could look through them... and they didn't work. Not at all.
- Murphy's Corollary: - It is impossible to make things foolproof because fools are so ingenious.
1. Oil's value is inversely proportional to its scarcity (up to a point). And the market manipulative shock value from sudden gluts and dryouts. Oh, and make sure to only allow trade in USD(eficit)$, not that E-U paper with the funny "colours". Iraq has more to manipulate with, than standalone Venezuela.
;) ). Bad place for heavy tanks, satellite reconissance, and - perhaps - terrain-surface navigation. Iraq, on the other hand, is good wide-open terrain for tanks and cruise-miss--es.
2. a) Venezuela is already quite messed up.
b) Most of the middle-class and rich there are fully devoted to the US, or rather, the US "greed is all"/"power of the greedy, by the greedy, for the greedy" ideology.
c) (Most important) The jungle is too much like 'Nam (ever heard of it? It's like Alesia, only somewhere in S.E. Asia - or so I've been told
d) It's too close to other US corporate interests (fruits, mining, cattle, -blank- ) in the region.
e) The Guyanas are French, French soil, so, technically, they would be invading and bombing a country that borders on France, and the E.U. And both *do* have weapons of mass destruction.
But, since you said "we", you probably know that already.
Regarding Venezuela:
The United States has been trying to overthrow the Chavez government for years. Do you not recall that in 2002 the Bush Administration supported (or orchestrated, depending on who you talk to) the coup against Hugo Chavez, the leader of OPEC this go-round and the President of Venezuela?
The algorithms used for the "love detector" (and the security applications) measure variations in your voice, not physiological feedback (heart rate, skin conductivity, etc). My uncle is one of the founders of V, the North American distributor. He brought the truth detecting version of the software to a family get-together at Thanksgiving, and it is pretty amazing. For example, if I wear a certain pair of shoes every day, I might say that I wear them "all the time". The software flags this as a probable falsehood; while this is a commonly used phrase, and I'm not trying to mislead anyone, I do unconsciously know that I don't wear my shoes while I'm sleeping.
I'm sure this love detector software isn't quite as advanced (in the version we played with, you had to talk for a few seconds to give the software a baseline), it most likely can give you a good idea if someone is attracted to you.
Such mangled chaos could only have sprung from the (er, mind?) of Invader-Zim writers. Somebody off them ! Now ! Quickly! ;)
The Lawyers?
Needle Nardle Noo
Are you trolling? Venuezuala is a western democracy(mostly) , and there are actually some white looking people living there. And Iraq had a genocidal despot for a leader. It's people are also brown and easily painted with the terrorist brush by some of the more rabid elements of the media, and the unthinking masses can be confused into thinking they had something to do with 9/11.
An interesting sample would be the output from analyzing the Prez's speach tonight. Please - pretty please!... ;-)
"We work off the frequency range of voice patterns instead of changes in the body
My question is this, if they've never heard the person's voice before, and if the person talks softly like a sissy and one of those algorithms equates it with an attempt at lying...
What if the person has a throat infection?
What if the person's voice is weird from the very beginning?
The most important point is this, terrorists, more importantly, suicide terrorists are brainwashed zombies, and are very confident liars, the only one to suffer will be the innocent passenger.
It's worse than that: because each subject is asked multiple questions, everybody gets a bunch of lies flagged, but not enough even to determine statistically whether all their responses are lies. So, even if 78% were right, the device would still be useless.
>Ladies, if you see one, there's a 96% chance that the guy's in love with you.
Ladies, you can avoid false positives by avoiding early morning observations which account for the other 4%.
their website seems to load just fine, if that is what you meant.
(warning though, lots of stupid eye-candy, fits the product apparently)
At any rate, it has just become dead easy to tell if the dork who asks you out is Slashdot reader.
"Honey, do you still love me?"
"Mr. Sontag, this is all really just a load of crap, right?"
"What's the lowest price you can give me on this car?"
"Are you employed by any law enforcement organization?"
"Are those real?"
"Do you solemnly swear to defend and protect the constitution of the United States of America, and to execute the duties of the office of the Presidency to the best of your ability, so help you God?"
Oh, good, they're all telling the truth. Let them go. And the third one is in love with you.
Talk about trivial technology. If you are the kind of nerd who buys something like this, nobody loves you.
_O_
.|< The named which can be named is not the true named
that the Israelis know that Replicants walk amongst us, and now have the means to detect them..
...and he grinned, like a fox eating shit out of a wire brush.
If you put an inverter on this thing to light up when she tells the truth "Honey you light up my life" will get a whole new meaning.
The dangers of excessive individualism are nothing compared to the oppressiveness of excessive collectivism
Metafilter pointed me towards a really interesting model for managing deception: Recognition detection. The idea is, rather than find out if someone is lying or not, simply find out if they recognize an object or scene they could only recognize if they were guilty. A certain brainwave, coined the P300 Wave, is emitted within a certain number of milliseconds of seeing an item one recognizes. One study, done by a group called Brain Wave Science, was able to reliably (and perfectly) separate FBI agents from average civilians by showing pictures of items from FBI training courses and operations. Detailed information may be found here.
I, of course, make no claims as to the veracity or accuracy of this material. But this wave is not pure pseudoscience -- the NYT has an article showing how weak P300's correspond to weak signal recognition. And BWS isn't the only group looking into P300 and deception.
There are other approaches -- blood flow and PET scans come to mind -- but this has the advantage of involving just a few electrodes.
So -- we may yet see a lie detector functional in our lifetime. Of course, it won't always be trusted, for reasons similar to the legalistic need for occasional exceptions to the rule of unique suspect DNA identifiers. But it'll be there.
--Dan