The funny thing is, Apple have always had far more overt anti-competitive practices than MS. It's a blessing that MS actually managed to prevent Apple from owning the desktop OS market, as the tie-in with hardware too would make the IT world a much less innovative, and much more expensive place to be.
Many people could have guessed Apple would pull this stunt too - remember, the ONLY reason this SDK exists at all is due to the existing cracked iphone/itouch development movement. Apple want to cash in, but on their terms of course. Hopefully developers will simply continue using the unofficial methods to develop software.
I'm sure the usual "Apple shiny!!!" fanboys will continue to defend this, but most free-thinking people can see the way Apple operate. For the record, I also own an itouch, imac and mini - I just don't drink the koolaid...
Think of the people that patents DO benefit... I'm thinking any lawyer fighting to abolish patents won't exactly be pushing themselves to win the case...
So much for that slogan - The US and China (or even cold war Russia) are not really that different. Total government control over communications, news media under govt control, corruption (although to be fair that's standard operating practice for any govt...)
I had to "upgrade" to Vista from Win2k a few months ago as I need to test dhtml/css with IE7, and it was a toss up between XP and Vista. What a mistake that was - even with the UAC, both firewalls(!?), search indexing all disabled along with numerous other useless processes, it still performs noticable slower than Win2k - WMP is a real crock of shit - blurry on practically any video, absence of codecs, and VERY CPU hungry. I actually had to buy new hardware as it was so annoying. The worse thing though, that really really pisses me off is the fact it keeps MOVING THE FUCKING ICONS AROUND ON MY DESKTOP between (re)boots! Why does it do it? Who knows - sometimes it also decides to change the resolution from 1920x1200 to 1600x1200 for no apparent reason when it starts up.
But the icon thing is the worst by a long way... If there was any way I could trade Vista home premium in against XP, I'd do it in a flash!
Tell me about it - I owned a Wii pretty much as soon as they arrived in the UK - bought a bunch of games, and realized I only liked Wii sports. Zelda - got bored after about 20 minutes of wandering around a dull village with a horse. Tiger Woods golf - one round was enough. Then I bought a PS3 with Resistance Fall of Man - played that all the way through - great! In fact, I didn't play the Wii again after buying the PS3 (after playing games in High-def, you don't want to go back to 480p!) I sold the Wii with all the games, plus extra controllers, store credits etc for 120 pounds, just glad to get rid of it. Yeah, the wiimote is a great controller, but the system's hardware is very "last gen", and the games are just, well, shallow...
The whole idea of the web is that any page should display on any user agent. It's the user agent's job to adapt the content to the display, not the server's.
This just shows you're not a web developer. You might as well say that you should be able to put petrol or diesel into your car and the engine should sort it out. There's very little content that's appropriate for both a 2560x1200 screen and a 120x160 phone display...
People aren't getting ripped off though. You actually boast about being able to write Java apps for your own phone as if thats supposed to be some major selling point to a regular non-geek person. Same with the expandable memory. Most non-geek folks that I know lose those tiny SD and mini-SD cards. They're a sloppy solution. I mean your phone has a tiny screen, no QWERTY keyboard, no integration with iTunes.....etc.
Yes, I can develop for the phone - and so can other non Apple companies, but more importantly, other people with the same phone have a huge amount of software available to them. Believe it or not, I also know non-geeks, and the ability to play games on train journeys, and carry files around, record video etc is important to them. And as for expandability being "bad" because you say "most people lose" their SD cards - that's just Apple fanboi FUD - unless all these "non-geeks" you know are drooling simpletons who like "the shiny" or something - Apple's demographic it seems. The screen on my phone is not "tiny" and if I needed a QWERTY keyboard (though you're stepping all over your own argument here, as I know nobody who wants this) I could easily add an LED lazer projection keyboard. Still, non-geeks are used to texting with nice tactile buttons very quickly. Rubbing your greasy fingers all over your "huge" screen, with no feedback is a lot more fiddly IMO, and the opinion of most reviewers it seems. Yes it has more features. It also has a worse interface.
Define "worse". I find it very fast and intuitive. I'm sure I can text faster than someone picking gently at their screen, and can navigate around just as fast. And yes the iPhone can do IRC and use many other 3rd party app which will only grow with time.
You'll get apps from Apple, or nasty hacks using the iphone's web browser that require a lot more effort than most "non-geeks" are willing to put in - ironic, no?
Don't you find it strange that the iphone's hardware is ideally suited to run Java apps extremely well, yet Apple have blocked this. The only explanation is to prevent competition in the software market. If microsoft locked down Windows so that only Microsoft could produce apps for it, you and the rest of the fanboys would be the first to chime in, but since it's Apple, that's ok. I just find it funny! Face it, for a geek your phone works right for you. For regular folks the iPhone is overwhelmingly superior.
That statement barely warrants a response. You've just shown your fanboi credentials, so there's little point continuing. If Steve Jobs released the iShit, you'd probably go out and buy it...
I see, so despite your original questions, you didn't really want to know where people could get something that did the same (or in my case, a hell of a lot more) than your iphone for the same price (again in my case, a hell of a lot cheaper). You just posted to brag that you bought an iphone back when they were expensive, followed by some sort of online therapy session where you were trying to convince yourself you weren't fooled by "the shiney"...
It's not that the iphone is really that bad; it's just not that good - and I certainly wouldn't want to pay 400-600 dollars for a feature-poor, locked down device that can't be expanded (though I'm sure Apple will soon start overcharging for games only they can supply via itunes):-) I guess I just don't like seeing people getting ripped off...
It's worth what people will pay for it, and so far, a million people paid $400-$600 bucks for one. So clearly, it's worth $400.
You didn't happen to also buy stock in SCO when it hit $20, did you? After all, it must've been worth that as other people bought it!
Looks like someone's OD'd on the coolaid... If you only use it as a phone, it's really not the right device for you. My iPod is a great phone (far more useful for calling than my SLVR L7 was), a great iPod (for barely more than the nearly identical iPod touch), a media viewer (movies and my photo portfolio in my pocket, on a real screen), not to mention a little thing called the Internet (real email, real web browsing... ...real slow email, real slow web browsing? My Sony Ericcson W850i is a *very* good MP3 player, that can actually have its memory expanded, has 3G, can record and upload video, I can write my own Java apps for it - also if you know where to look, that means hundreds of free games - plus Google Earth of course, email, www, irc, pop, nntp, etc - and it was free with my contract - £25/$50 a month including free calls/texts etc, oh yeah, plus bluetooth stereo headphones! It'll also work as a modem for my laptop if I wish...... now what point were you making?
I think it's fair to say that if Apple don't add 3G, then the iPhone will be dead in the water over here in the UK. It's pretty poor in comparison to most current phones here (as the parent mentioned, we don't have too many restrictions on the phones here; due to more competition between companies I guess) It's got a pretty poor still camera, no video, no replacable battery, and if there's no way to move files - like games, ringtones etc - on and off it via USB/Bluetooth, then it's not going to have much of an audience beyond the wide eyed "oh shiny!" gumbies that seem to buy Apple kit.
On cars, the computers keep the engines from over reving or running on too rich a mixture, both of which can damage the hardware. If you mod the software in your engine's computers you void the warrantee.
Just being a pedant, but too lean a mixture can cause engine damage, too rich and it just uses more fuel and makes less power...
Actually they use a special dual-focus lens for this - it's split down the middle and allows two different depths to be in focus at once. Quentin Tarrantino has used this exact technique several times...
"There are some things that Windows does pretty well," Zemlin said. Microsoft for instance has excelled in marketing the operating system, and has a good track record in fending off competition.'"
Yeah, and we should also give respect to the mafia for fending off the competition with their protection rackets. Let's also give respect to George Bush for fending off that nasty constitution...
Now, maybe the client wanted to have SpamBotFoo installed on their computer,...
This is the point at which I, and I guess many other people stopped reading. It's idiotic to suggest someone wants their computer to be infected and under the control of a third party; with the likelyhood that third party has access to all their personal data.
ps: the reply button is in the floaty box to the left now.
Ah, thanks! What a strange idea - putting the most important option for this site over in a side box, in tiny text, as the third item in a small list. Maybe Slashdot's trying to reduce the load on its servers;-)
It's not really a choice of 300 anyway for business; there are only two main distros: SuSE and Redhat. Sure, I've used others on production systems, but those two are focused on business users, and have the support systems in place that the overwhelming majority of the other distros don't. Personally I use Ubuntu and Gentoo at home, but wouldn't choose these for the company servers.
BTW, where the hell is the option to respond to the original article?! I can only respond to an existing article now...
Actually Sony Ericsson make great phones. The OS is fast, looks good and is intuitive. Before my SE W850i I'd always used Nokias. My previous Nokia though, the N73 was absolutely attrocious - slow, crashed daily, confused menu system. I actually paid full price for the SE and dropped the N73 in the trash (literally) as it was so bad. There's no way I'll buy the locked-down iPhone, I'll be sticking with SE from now on unless they follow Nokia's path...
Yes, I understand you could so img.src changes to affect video, but the original poster was talking about rendering video frames using the canvas object. In any case, if you're just displaying jpeg images, why not just use multipart jpeg streaming and not bother with javascript at all?
It can do much of what flash can. WebKit supports SVG for vector graphics, the canvas tag for bitmap graphics, and Javascript for programming. You could write a video player with this, although I suspect the iPhone's CPU would be too slow to run it. You can write rich graphical applications, however.
I hardly know where to start with this comment. A video player in javascript using the canvas tag on a phone?! You do realise that the phone will have less CPU power than your PC, don't you? Significantly less. Now try to render a "video" at any decent resolution or framerate using javascript in a web brower on your PC. See how shit it looks? Stop apologising for what Apple are doing: corporate greed. Try to realise: Apple doesn't care about you. What they do is make money. That's all. Why defend Apple?
It's also worth noting that Safari is a pretty rich development environment. Take a look at any of the dashboard widgets for an idea of what you can do. The canvas tag allows a lot of flexibility, and the latest versions of WebKit also support SVG, so you have a lot of scope for potential graphics. If you're developing for the iPhone, you don't have to worry about cross-browser compatibility, so you aren't limited to the lowest common denominator.
Dude, if you're stuck with having to cobble something together to run inside the web-browser, inside the phone instead of having the freedom of a native/java application, you ARE limited to the lowest common denominator! As always, Apple are just trying to screw as much money out of their fan-base as possible, and locking the device up so they have complete control over the software offerings is just another example of their greed. I don't know why Apple get any support on here - sure they make "the shiny", but their policies are more draconian than the other perceived evil empire we all despise.
I also own an ipod, but I'm damned if I'm buying any software for it through itunes when I'm not allowed to develop for it.
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The funny thing is, Apple have always had far more overt anti-competitive practices than MS. It's a blessing that MS actually managed to prevent Apple from owning the desktop OS market, as the tie-in with hardware too would make the IT world a much less innovative, and much more expensive place to be.
Many people could have guessed Apple would pull this stunt too - remember, the ONLY reason this SDK exists at all is due to the existing cracked iphone/itouch development movement. Apple want to cash in, but on their terms of course. Hopefully developers will simply continue using the unofficial methods to develop software.
I'm sure the usual "Apple shiny!!!" fanboys will continue to defend this, but most free-thinking people can see the way Apple operate. For the record, I also own an itouch, imac and mini - I just don't drink the koolaid...
President Bush? Is that you?
Think of the people that patents DO benefit... I'm thinking any lawyer fighting to abolish patents won't exactly be pushing themselves to win the case...
So much for that slogan - The US and China (or even cold war Russia) are not really that different. Total government control over communications, news media under govt control, corruption (although to be fair that's standard operating practice for any govt...)
I had to "upgrade" to Vista from Win2k a few months ago as I need to test dhtml/css with IE7, and it was a toss up between XP and Vista. What a mistake that was - even with the UAC, both firewalls(!?), search indexing all disabled along with numerous other useless processes, it still performs noticable slower than Win2k - WMP is a real crock of shit - blurry on practically any video, absence of codecs, and VERY CPU hungry. I actually had to buy new hardware as it was so annoying. The worse thing though, that really really pisses me off is the fact it keeps MOVING THE FUCKING ICONS AROUND ON MY DESKTOP between (re)boots! Why does it do it? Who knows - sometimes it also decides to change the resolution from 1920x1200 to 1600x1200 for no apparent reason when it starts up.
But the icon thing is the worst by a long way... If there was any way I could trade Vista home premium in against XP, I'd do it in a flash!
Tell me about it - I owned a Wii pretty much as soon as they arrived in the UK - bought a bunch of games, and realized I only liked Wii sports. Zelda - got bored after about 20 minutes of wandering around a dull village with a horse. Tiger Woods golf - one round was enough. Then I bought a PS3 with Resistance Fall of Man - played that all the way through - great! In fact, I didn't play the Wii again after buying the PS3 (after playing games in High-def, you don't want to go back to 480p!) I sold the Wii with all the games, plus extra controllers, store credits etc for 120 pounds, just glad to get rid of it. Yeah, the wiimote is a great controller, but the system's hardware is very "last gen", and the games are just, well, shallow...
The whole idea of the web is that any page should display on any user agent. It's the user agent's job to adapt the content to the display, not the server's.
This just shows you're not a web developer. You might as well say that you should be able to put petrol or diesel into your car and the engine should sort it out. There's very little content that's appropriate for both a 2560x1200 screen and a 120x160 phone display...
Its not about being an Apple Fanboy
Your posting history proves otherwise, fanboy...
People aren't getting ripped off though. You actually boast about being able to write Java apps for your own phone as if thats supposed to be some major selling point to a regular non-geek person. Same with the expandable memory. Most non-geek folks that I know lose those tiny SD and mini-SD cards. They're a sloppy solution. I mean your phone has a tiny screen, no QWERTY keyboard, no integration with iTunes.....etc.
Yes, I can develop for the phone - and so can other non Apple companies, but more importantly, other people with the same phone have a huge amount of software available to them. Believe it or not, I also know non-geeks, and the ability to play games on train journeys, and carry files around, record video etc is important to them. And as for expandability being "bad" because you say "most people lose" their SD cards - that's just Apple fanboi FUD - unless all these "non-geeks" you know are drooling simpletons who like "the shiny" or something - Apple's demographic it seems. The screen on my phone is not "tiny" and if I needed a QWERTY keyboard (though you're stepping all over your own argument here, as I know nobody who wants this) I could easily add an LED lazer projection keyboard. Still, non-geeks are used to texting with nice tactile buttons very quickly. Rubbing your greasy fingers all over your "huge" screen, with no feedback is a lot more fiddly IMO, and the opinion of most reviewers it seems.
Yes it has more features. It also has a worse interface.
Define "worse". I find it very fast and intuitive. I'm sure I can text faster than someone picking gently at their screen, and can navigate around just as fast.
And yes the iPhone can do IRC and use many other 3rd party app which will only grow with time.
You'll get apps from Apple, or nasty hacks using the iphone's web browser that require a lot more effort than most "non-geeks" are willing to put in - ironic, no?
Don't you find it strange that the iphone's hardware is ideally suited to run Java apps extremely well, yet Apple have blocked this. The only explanation is to prevent competition in the software market. If microsoft locked down Windows so that only Microsoft could produce apps for it, you and the rest of the fanboys would be the first to chime in, but since it's Apple, that's ok. I just find it funny!
Face it, for a geek your phone works right for you. For regular folks the iPhone is overwhelmingly superior.
That statement barely warrants a response. You've just shown your fanboi credentials, so there's little point continuing. If Steve Jobs released the iShit, you'd probably go out and buy it...
I see, so despite your original questions, you didn't really want to know where people could get something that did the same (or in my case, a hell of a lot more) than your iphone for the same price (again in my case, a hell of a lot cheaper). You just posted to brag that you bought an iphone back when they were expensive, followed by some sort of online therapy session where you were trying to convince yourself you weren't fooled by "the shiney"...
It's not that the iphone is really that bad; it's just not that good - and I certainly wouldn't want to pay 400-600 dollars for a feature-poor, locked down device that can't be expanded (though I'm sure Apple will soon start overcharging for games only they can supply via itunes)
It's worth what people will pay for it, and so far, a million people paid $400-$600 bucks for one. So clearly, it's worth $400.
You didn't happen to also buy stock in SCO when it hit $20, did you? After all, it must've been worth that as other people bought it!
Looks like someone's OD'd on the coolaid...
...real slow email, real slow web browsing? My Sony Ericcson W850i is a *very* good MP3 player, that can actually have its memory expanded, has 3G, can record and upload video, I can write my own Java apps for it - also if you know where to look, that means hundreds of free games - plus Google Earth of course, email, www, irc, pop, nntp, etc - and it was free with my contract - £25/$50 a month including free calls/texts etc, oh yeah, plus bluetooth stereo headphones! It'll also work as a modem for my laptop if I wish... ... now what point were you making?
If you only use it as a phone, it's really not the right device for you. My iPod is a great phone (far more useful for calling than my SLVR L7 was), a great iPod (for barely more than the nearly identical iPod touch), a media viewer (movies and my photo portfolio in my pocket, on a real screen), not to mention a little thing called the Internet (real email, real web browsing...
I think it's fair to say that if Apple don't add 3G, then the iPhone will be dead in the water over here in the UK. It's pretty poor in comparison to most current phones here (as the parent mentioned, we don't have too many restrictions on the phones here; due to more competition between companies I guess) It's got a pretty poor still camera, no video, no replacable battery, and if there's no way to move files - like games, ringtones etc - on and off it via USB/Bluetooth, then it's not going to have much of an audience beyond the wide eyed "oh shiny!" gumbies that seem to buy Apple kit.
On cars, the computers keep the engines from over reving or running on too rich a mixture, both of which can damage the hardware. If you mod the software in your engine's computers you void the warrantee.
Just being a pedant, but too lean a mixture can cause engine damage, too rich and it just uses more fuel and makes less power...
Pushing gamers away to the wii and ps3 = lose...
Actually they use a special dual-focus lens for this - it's split down the middle and allows two different depths to be in focus at once. Quentin Tarrantino has used this exact technique several times...
"There are some things that Windows does pretty well," Zemlin said. Microsoft for instance has excelled in marketing the operating system, and has a good track record in fending off competition.'"
Yeah, and we should also give respect to the mafia for fending off the competition with their protection rackets. Let's also give respect to George Bush for fending off that nasty constitution...
Now, maybe the client wanted to have SpamBotFoo installed on their computer,...
This is the point at which I, and I guess many other people stopped reading. It's idiotic to suggest someone wants their computer to be infected and under the control of a third party; with the likelyhood that third party has access to all their personal data.
If you want to act like a prick, become a lawyer.
ps: the reply button is in the floaty box to the left now.
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Ah, thanks! What a strange idea - putting the most important option for this site over in a side box, in tiny text, as the third item in a small list. Maybe Slashdot's trying to reduce the load on its servers
It's not really a choice of 300 anyway for business; there are only two main distros: SuSE and Redhat. Sure, I've used others on production systems, but those two are focused on business users, and have the support systems in place that the overwhelming majority of the other distros don't. Personally I use Ubuntu and Gentoo at home, but wouldn't choose these for the company servers.
BTW, where the hell is the option to respond to the original article?! I can only respond to an existing article now...
I think everyone knows that SUV drivers have very small penises... And that includes the women...
Actually Sony Ericsson make great phones. The OS is fast, looks good and is intuitive. Before my SE W850i I'd always used Nokias. My previous Nokia though, the N73 was absolutely attrocious - slow, crashed daily, confused menu system. I actually paid full price for the SE and dropped the N73 in the trash (literally) as it was so bad. There's no way I'll buy the locked-down iPhone, I'll be sticking with SE from now on unless they follow Nokia's path...
Yes, I understand you could so img.src changes to affect video, but the original poster was talking about rendering video frames using the canvas object. In any case, if you're just displaying jpeg images, why not just use multipart jpeg streaming and not bother with javascript at all?
The reason why Apple gets support on this site is because they make products people like using and find easy to use. They don't cater to geeks...
Have you ever looked around yourself and asked "do I belong here?"
It can do much of what flash can. WebKit supports SVG for vector graphics, the canvas tag for bitmap graphics, and Javascript for programming. You could write a video player with this, although I suspect the iPhone's CPU would be too slow to run it. You can write rich graphical applications, however.
I hardly know where to start with this comment. A video player in javascript using the canvas tag on a phone?! You do realise that the phone will have less CPU power than your PC, don't you? Significantly less. Now try to render a "video" at any decent resolution or framerate using javascript in a web brower on your PC. See how shit it looks? Stop apologising for what Apple are doing: corporate greed. Try to realise: Apple doesn't care about you. What they do is make money. That's all. Why defend Apple?
It's also worth noting that Safari is a pretty rich development environment. Take a look at any of the dashboard widgets for an idea of what you can do. The canvas tag allows a lot of flexibility, and the latest versions of WebKit also support SVG, so you have a lot of scope for potential graphics. If you're developing for the iPhone, you don't have to worry about cross-browser compatibility, so you aren't limited to the lowest common denominator.
Dude, if you're stuck with having to cobble something together to run inside the web-browser, inside the phone instead of having the freedom of a native/java application, you ARE limited to the lowest common denominator! As always, Apple are just trying to screw as much money out of their fan-base as possible, and locking the device up so they have complete control over the software offerings is just another example of their greed. I don't know why Apple get any support on here - sure they make "the shiny", but their policies are more draconian than the other perceived evil empire we all despise.
I also own an ipod, but I'm damned if I'm buying any software for it through itunes when I'm not allowed to develop for it.