I LOWERED the clock rate of my CPU to 800 mghz and my machine is as responsive as I would ever want it to be.
ooh, special. OBVIOUSLY windows doesn't need more than that... XP is indistinguishable between my roomie's tbird 1.4 and my tbird 700. However... fire up some UT. His framerates are always over 60 (as in, smooth), whereas mine drop down to about 45 sometimes. Same video card. So, why don't you do some tests like that? While you're at it, find a high polygon demo like the one in 3dmark2k1, and compare the smoothness. YOU NEED a fast cpu to come even close to smoothness.
Regarding clock throttling... K6-2+ and K6-3+ can do it, and hopefully standard modern processors will too. However, since they don't why not let your CPU do something productive with those idle cycles?
However, for people who REALLY NEED more power (all of the time) *couph* *couph*... SMP looks to be the far better alternative than these monster single cpu solutions.
SMP requires multi-threaded apps for any benefit.
and... it is MHz, not mghz. cough is spelled with a g.
If you take a moment to think about it, it's totally ridiculous that we need so many noisy fans inside a computer that someone's using to compose an email. It's even more ridiculous when you consider that some graphics processors require a fan as well, and so does the power supply.
But it doesn't! You don't need a 2GHz computer with 512MB Ram and a video card that has its own fan to do emails. As amazing as it may seem, ANYTHING out there can handle these tasks. Unfortunately, few manufacturers are willing to make lower-end, quiet machines, since they would probably produce less profit per unit.
Maybe you could start a company and make millions.... oh, wait... you could hack an i-opener / dreamcast / etc.;)
ugh... athlon xp 1600+ (1.4ghz). the heatsink ripped the tabs off the socket. there is enough of the tab left to hold it on temporarily until a heatsink that uses 4 tabs instead of two can be found. kinda annoying, since the seller will only pay RMA shipping one way.
Genome@home It does similar things, and is also by PandeGroup. My team gave up on Folding after we had too much trouble with the client, and genome seems much better (of course, Folding has also most likely improved)
>Absolutely charging $.01 per page is a bad idea.
>My mom might look at a few pages per week, but I
>have two machines on all the time each with one
>or 2 browser windows open.
That is the important point. If AOL's average customer is like most parents who only surf, say, cnn and hotmail/aol... this price might be good for them. I imagine in this case, we/. members, as "power users" would be in the minority, and as a result, the major ISPs probably COULD pull off a penny per page.
But I whole-heartedly agree that $.00001 is much better for people like us.
I agree that they fake it. But how do newer engines (Unreal2, Max Payne?) do with these kinds of things?
One note about faking: in Unreal Tournament, the editor raytraces the map, so you could most likely get pretty good lighting for static scenes like a building.
A friend of mine has a P3 1gig + geforce2go, I have a tbird 700 + geforce2gts. His outperforms mine in UT - he plays at 1600*1200, I play 1024*768. Its pretty impressive. The disadvantage of laptops, however, is price - a high-end AMD system can be built for aruond $600 + monitor, whereas a laptop costing that much would most likely be slow and have a terrible quality display.
This is a VERY small overclock. It is rare that a processor can't handle that. The only time I've seen a problem with relatively tiny OCs is in situations like the pre-tualatin P3's as you pass 1GHz (you might remember that they weren't even stable at their rated speed).
But, I do agree a few days of non-stop testing is required before you can make an accurate judgement.
You are correct about the thermal paste, but you don't want roughness on the bottom. This is because thermal compound is more resistant than metal. Ideally, you would have two perfectly flat surfaces, and wouldn't need compound since they'd be flush.
In practice, you will always need paste (unless you had a surface like this, where if you blew it up to the size of colorado the biggest flaw would be one inch tall!)
Be careful when scraping off the pad. You don't want to roughen the bottom of the heatsink. Ideally, it would be as smooth as a mirror, but few heatsinks are of that quality. Scrape carefully, and at the end, use a finger nail / alocohol to get the last bits off.
It is not that hard to do. I think AMD doesn't appreciate OC'ing, and is making it EASY to recognize OC'ed procs (since you can no longer use a clean pencil line). They're making it hard enough so it really requires effort. And I bet they can tell when you superglue the holes and try to RMA it;-)
sorry you got modded down - I think that is funny / insightful.
If you can get a raw read of the CD, you can always use software to pull out the valid stuff. The easy way to read your post would be a simple perl script to strip all non-[A-Z][a-z] chars;)
Don't you think they'd run out of "classes" pretty soon? And who knows which are better? alphabetical order? what happens when you have the 10*100 ghz, and 133*7.5 ghz? you might not be able to fit some in.
I think apparent speed is important. Now that I've read that link, I might pick up on these tricks, but to the average consumer, the product will feel better, which is a VERY important thing. And my games (the only really CPU-intensive stuff I do) seem just as smooth as win98 (that can't be faked) so i'm a happy camper
Apparently, the way XP boots so fast is by not loading network foo until it finishes booting. So, you would probably not be able to immediately start a network app and get to slashdot instantly...
It always drove me crazy in win9x (i've never used 2k) that the network was loaded while it was still single-tasking. Removing the network drivers took my boot from 2 minutes to just over 30 seconds. The ability to use other programs instantly, and network a few seconds later is great.
now, i haven't personally confirmed this - that's what I was told at work. Seeing how stable XP is, i dont have the need to reboot often.
In the new video, removal of the HEATSINK resulted in a nearly instant hard shutdown. Removal of the fan allowed them to play for 9 minutes using only the cooling provided by the heatsink.
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Oh, last night I was playing around with fans... and incredibly, everything is responsive underclocked to 500MHz, running fanless :-)
oh wait, my 3d studio max rendering took WAY too long. it is noticeably faster at a higher clock speed.
I LOWERED the clock rate of my CPU to 800 mghz and my machine is as responsive as I would ever want it to be.
ooh, special. OBVIOUSLY windows doesn't need more than that... XP is indistinguishable between my roomie's tbird 1.4 and my tbird 700. However... fire up some UT. His framerates are always over 60 (as in, smooth), whereas mine drop down to about 45 sometimes. Same video card. So, why don't you do some tests like that? While you're at it, find a high polygon demo like the one in 3dmark2k1, and compare the smoothness. YOU NEED a fast cpu to come even close to smoothness.
Regarding clock throttling... K6-2+ and K6-3+ can do it, and hopefully standard modern processors will too. However, since they don't why not let your CPU do something productive with those idle cycles?
However, for people who REALLY NEED more power (all of the time) *couph* *couph*... SMP looks to be the far better alternative than these monster single cpu solutions.
SMP requires multi-threaded apps for any benefit.
and... it is MHz, not mghz. cough is spelled with a g.
Not really... if you use NTFS on linux it will be REALLY believeable that you lost data ;-)
People might use encrypted NTFS for additional data security - if they can't encrypt a filesystem in Linux, they might not feel secure.
If you take a moment to think about it, it's totally ridiculous that we need so many noisy fans inside a computer that someone's using to compose an email. It's even more ridiculous when you consider that some graphics processors require a fan as well, and so does the power supply.
;)
But it doesn't! You don't need a 2GHz computer with 512MB Ram and a video card that has its own fan to do emails. As amazing as it may seem, ANYTHING out there can handle these tasks. Unfortunately, few manufacturers are willing to make lower-end, quiet machines, since they would probably produce less profit per unit.
Maybe you could start a company and make millions.... oh, wait... you could hack an i-opener / dreamcast / etc.
Would it work to just have runlevel 6 sync as the last thing init does? There shouldn't be much disk activity after that.
Ugh... we just drove up to Mt. Washington... thick fog :-(. There aren't any higher mountains around here either :(
ugh... athlon xp 1600+ (1.4ghz). the heatsink ripped the tabs off the socket. there is enough of the tab left to hold it on temporarily until a heatsink that uses 4 tabs instead of two can be found. kinda annoying, since the seller will only pay RMA shipping one way.
Genome@home It does similar things, and is also by PandeGroup. My team gave up on Folding after we had too much trouble with the client, and genome seems much better (of course, Folding has also most likely improved)
>Absolutely charging $.01 per page is a bad idea.
/. members, as "power users" would be in the minority, and as a result, the major ISPs probably COULD pull off a penny per page.
>My mom might look at a few pages per week, but I
>have two machines on all the time each with one
>or 2 browser windows open.
That is the important point. If AOL's average customer is like most parents who only surf, say, cnn and hotmail/aol... this price might be good for them. I imagine in this case, we
But I whole-heartedly agree that $.00001 is much better for people like us.
I agree that they fake it. But how do newer engines (Unreal2, Max Payne?) do with these kinds of things?
One note about faking: in Unreal Tournament, the editor raytraces the map, so you could most likely get pretty good lighting for static scenes like a building.
The normal download does not provide source code. You can get it using CVS, or through the developer section.
The two P3 + Geforce2go-based laptops I've seen don't seem to have any streaking / blurring in FPS games... but the cheap Celery 650 blurs severely.
A friend of mine has a P3 1gig + geforce2go, I have a tbird 700 + geforce2gts. His outperforms mine in UT - he plays at 1600*1200, I play 1024*768. Its pretty impressive. The disadvantage of laptops, however, is price - a high-end AMD system can be built for aruond $600 + monitor, whereas a laptop costing that much would most likely be slow and have a terrible quality display.
This is a VERY small overclock. It is rare that a processor can't handle that. The only time I've seen a problem with relatively tiny OCs is in situations like the pre-tualatin P3's as you pass 1GHz (you might remember that they weren't even stable at their rated speed).
But, I do agree a few days of non-stop testing is required before you can make an accurate judgement.
In practice, you will always need paste (unless you had a surface like this, where if you blew it up to the size of colorado the biggest flaw would be one inch tall!)
Be careful when scraping off the pad. You don't want to roughen the bottom of the heatsink. Ideally, it would be as smooth as a mirror, but few heatsinks are of that quality. Scrape carefully, and at the end, use a finger nail / alocohol to get the last bits off.
It is not that hard to do. I think AMD doesn't appreciate OC'ing, and is making it EASY to recognize OC'ed procs (since you can no longer use a clean pencil line). They're making it hard enough so it really requires effort. And I bet they can tell when you superglue the holes and try to RMA it ;-)
sorry you got modded down - I think that is funny / insightful.
;)
If you can get a raw read of the CD, you can always use software to pull out the valid stuff. The easy way to read your post would be a simple perl script to strip all non-[A-Z][a-z] chars
Here is one of many: Just search google for "toast butter down".
Don't you think they'd run out of "classes" pretty soon? And who knows which are better? alphabetical order? what happens when you have the 10*100 ghz, and 133*7.5 ghz? you might not be able to fit some in.
I think apparent speed is important. Now that I've read that link, I might pick up on these tricks, but to the average consumer, the product will feel better, which is a VERY important thing. And my games (the only really CPU-intensive stuff I do) seem just as smooth as win98 (that can't be faked) so i'm a happy camper
Apparently, the way XP boots so fast is by not loading network foo until it finishes booting. So, you would probably not be able to immediately start a network app and get to slashdot instantly...
It always drove me crazy in win9x (i've never used 2k) that the network was loaded while it was still single-tasking. Removing the network drivers took my boot from 2 minutes to just over 30 seconds. The ability to use other programs instantly, and network a few seconds later is great.
now, i haven't personally confirmed this - that's what I was told at work. Seeing how stable XP is, i dont have the need to reboot often.
Kinda like English departments at universities, huh? Contributing nothing? Generating their own false demand for "classical" works? ;-)
bye-bye karma!
In the new video, removal of the HEATSINK resulted in a nearly instant hard shutdown. Removal of the fan allowed them to play for 9 minutes using only the cooling provided by the heatsink.