Nope, the UK. You know, where the Company actually comes from?
1. Internet sales OR Bricks and Mortar
Our local store (UK) runs tournaments for WH40k mainly, the occasional WHFB. And they have sales. And get the goods at 25% below the price the Retail store down the road sells, meaning the sell 10% off their price - but they dont have trained staff willing to give you free painting lessons (well, they do but not g'teed) and dont run big mega games. So, you guessed wrong, AGAIN. Well done
If you want a US-centric post - make it clear that you only talk about YOUR local country.
Perhaps local stores in the US are jsut shit at writing / agreeing contracts? Love the phrase "extort" as well there - pure shit - you are not compelled to do business with them, and if you are s tupid enough to accept a contract that is so clearly unfavourable to you then do you even deserve to be in business? After all, it IS a business - and when it was run as a hobby it ran up huge debts.
2. UK Competitions / Monopolies commission. Banned them from selling at below MSRP ever. Again, this is to prevent possible abuses - as they both produce and distribute the goods.
Perhaps the US should have stronger competition provisions if this is such a huge problem? Again you berate a company for behaving as a business, within the laws of the country - shouldnt the local stores bear some of the ire, for not looking before they leap?
3. See above - they have venue support and dont have 60% shelf space requirements, but hten they would never sign a contract that required that.
If you are stupid enough to sign one sided contracts because greed is clouding your eyes (yes, it is greed) that isnt a fault of GW, but of your own stupidity.
No, £168 is a good investment in an army that you will get hours of enjoyment from painting and playing from, and will be valid for a minimum of 5 years. (13 if youre a DE fan;)) Compare that to say, most other hobbies it compares favourably bang for buck.
It still isnt "pay to win"m and arguably hasnt been for 10 years (1998 for 3rd ed 40k, if memory serves) and in fact is the opposite - if heroes alone win games (you decry herohammer) then you need les of an army, and the hero is normally the cheapest element.
You have no contemporary knowledge, so basically your information is crap. If you felt beat upon perhaps you were just stupid? Certainly your posts back that impression up.
I tend not to "play with little kids" - the wargames club has 90 members and all, bar 1, is over 18 (we let one 15yr old in as he is pretty good, and not a distraction) but we're lucky here - we have 2 big clubs in our town as well as GW, and have regular well respected tournaments. But meh, I'm not here to change your mind - correct the ill informed bile, yes, but if you want to miss out on a highly challenging war game that is your prerogative.
Exactly - they are lying as they are posting not about how you feel *about the game* but instead about the unrelated actions elsewhere. It is a pointless activity.
Cease and Desist is the appropriate way to deal with trademark violations - you cannot scream "fan site!!!" and expect to be treated any differently. The best way would have been to have approached GW directly (seriously, Jervis et al are really nice guys*, just show soem respect and not assume that *they* owe *you*) and asked to put stuff up - they are not anti-fan, just anti taking the piss by scanning all their artwork and creating derivative, infringing works.
Lessons to be learnt - dont take the piss and assume they owe you just because you are "fans", and actually ask first...
*disclaimer: did some playtest and development years back on Inquisitor, and got to work with (over the phone, lol) Jervis et al - we got given the equations to work out the stats. For giggles we tried an Inq scale BloodThirster - it is Strength: >1000 compare to a space marine with strength ~300. Inq scale Dreadnoughts are fun as well:D)
a) Games Workshop sells to distributors at 25% below retail, which is why they can offer between 10 and 15% off shop price (see Wayland Games - an actual source, compared to your baseless rant!) and does NOT forbid sales, hence why Wayland had a sale when the Valkyries were released
b) GW are themselves restrained from offering sales, even on damaged stock, due to a Competition Commision ruling from about 6 years ago. They can NEVER reduce instore prices to below MSRP.
c) Our local indy stocks GW specialist games just fine - and they dont have to have 60% shelf space etc.
In short what you said was complete crap. Well done/.
GW keep wargaming alive, as they bring in new players. Hence the term "Gateway drug" - PP would die a death as it tends to attract people who already play WG. THey also have the money to invest and actually innovate - like the washes, foundation paints, full 3D rendering and production of HIGH cost plastic moulds (you say they are "cheaper plastics" - only once you have paid for the mould, at £30k per avg sprue, £90k for the Baneblade sprues. Still think theyre cheap? Or you still talking out of your arse?) - that PP et al cannot hope to match. Never mind the gaming boards, spray paint that actually undercoats without losing detail (noticed how the non-GW has changed recently? GW have licensed this out...) and without streaking / bobbling, and the other innovations. they don't do everhything perfectly (seriously, vac formed blast scapes? Thats worthy of a lesser company, they moved from vac form crap years ago for everything else) - least of which is writing a tight set of rules witihni every army book. However they stilld o far more good for the community?
"Keep releasing new editions" - once every 6 years? Care to supply how many Warmachine versions there have been in the last 5 years, and how many reprints? Oh wait, that would undermine your point! PP is also 1/3rd owned by GW....
They have also stated they write *1* FAQ to avoid the horrible mess you had in the past. But again, you dont know that, or choose not to mention this as it undermines your point. Again.
40k 5th ed is a vastly more tactical game than warmachine or 4th ed 40k, yet you won't know this. You jsut claim, without proof, that the game has been dumbed down - yet I was 12 when I picked up 2nd ed, and 12year olds pick up 5th ed now. The exact same market has been targetted for the last 20years, ever since retail opened - or are you too/. ignorant to understand that?
Disclaimer - I don't work for GW, my bd used to and left because, sadly, the people side of GW is run atrociously. However the quality of the miniatures has never been higher (waiting for Blancheites to counter, to which the counter is look at new skaven, theyre modelled off original artowrk...) and the actual products they sell are very high quality.
Then you haven't played 5th ed, where the objectives make the game a hugely tactical game - vastly superior to the attempts in 4th. It isn't "buy to win" - that is an idiotic comment. given that the most expensive hero, Marneus Calgar, is £18 (and you also get 4 vets with him) is also one of the worst, and the rest of the army will cost £150, it isnt "hero hammer" - not by long means. If you really want buy to win then look at MtG, where P9s are costing you a thousand dollars....a card.
You havent played since the days of 4th and 5th ed WHFB at a guess, when it really was herohammer. Not that Hordes / Warmachine seems to do badly, given that hero hammer is what that game is all about....
I asume you realise your anti-pot stance can be rpelaced with "alchohol", a legal substance - those problems exist with any drug. It is an iirational argument
Or how about make it illegal to drive while under the influence? Oh wait, driving while incapable already IS illegal
Just because something is legal doesnt mean you cannot legislate usage, or have treatment programmes for people who abuse the substance. Why punish the majority who can use a substance safely for the sake of a minority?
Quite amusingly your own ignorance shows through: the very text you (I guess blindly) copied states it is *not* the actual terms you will be agreeing to, and as such has absolutely zero, zilch, bearing on the contract between yourself and the retailer.
Unless the software is EXPLICITLY licensed then it is a direct sale, and is to be treated as such: the only enforceable contracts are those at the point at which consideration is exchanged. Co0ntracts made after this point can only ever be considered "agreements" and have no legal backing and no penalties for non compliance.
THe GPL removes a restriction with Copyright - you may not distribute - but in return you agree to abide by the terms of the licence. A licence you are free to decline, and unlike EULAs would have you believe *you still retain the rights to use the program* - you just may not distribute.
Nope, you purchased a copy of the software - the licence is an attempt at contract of adhesion, and certainly in the UK is looked upon with a dim view. UCTA pretty much invalidates most.
If it looks like a sale it is a sale, despite an attempt to "licence" it afterwards.
and if you are gay you can't marry EVEN IF you find someone who wants to marry you. Have you understood that yet?
Seen the difference yet? You still have the potential of marrying the person you are in love with, and who is in love with you, when you are straight and single. Gay and single has no such potential
Ahm the US: an entire country the Dutch can laugh at:) So backwards in their attitudes to sex that even us Brits look progressive!
(Sexuality, in all forms, is taught from age 5. As is love, relationships, etc. Result? Lowest teen pregnancy rate pretty much anywhere, highest avg age for loss of virginity)
The right to be with the person you love is a natural right
Do you even have a logical argument as to why marriage should be so restricted? Or just a knee jerk one based on religious indoctrination that has no place in any rational debate?
No, the debate is *why the fuck doi you WANT to restrict it*?
Seriously - WHY are you so bothered? How does two people living together, creating a stable family home, bother you when its two people of the same gender? And why should I care that you are bothered?
Essentially - why do you have the right to interfere with others?
Marriage is a right, but is currently witheld as a license.
The actual purpose of marriage is to create a more stable society - your fallacy is that it has nothing to do with procreation. That is the *religious* impetus behind it, however religious concerns are of no importance here, whatsoever. Religions co-opted marriage however it is, at heart, civil.
You have also singularly failed to show any *harm* in this - how does this harm you? And if you cite "lack of offspring" then I assume you wish to annull the marriages of anyone who doesnt produce offspring within, say, 2 years of marriage?
Straights have royally fucked with marriage, now I want (and actually have done - in the UK) to be able to show you how much better it can be done. Your attempt at pretending it is "recreational" tells more about your lack of emotional or mental maturity than you might expect.
It is not a preference, it is inate, But then you wouldnt understand that as you have no doubt never actually thought about your own sexuality.
Assuming it was an asset that could be depreciated, selling it for less than you paid can constitute a profit given the utility you have had from the asset.
If you sell for above the depreciated value it is a profit.
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I assume you have yet to see the latest range of net connected TVs?
Nope, the UK. You know, where the Company actually comes from?
1. Internet sales OR Bricks and Mortar
Our local store (UK) runs tournaments for WH40k mainly, the occasional WHFB. And they have sales. And get the goods at 25% below the price the Retail store down the road sells, meaning the sell 10% off their price - but they dont have trained staff willing to give you free painting lessons (well, they do but not g'teed) and dont run big mega games. So, you guessed wrong, AGAIN. Well done
If you want a US-centric post - make it clear that you only talk about YOUR local country.
Perhaps local stores in the US are jsut shit at writing / agreeing contracts? Love the phrase "extort" as well there - pure shit - you are not compelled to do business with them, and if you are s tupid enough to accept a contract that is so clearly unfavourable to you then do you even deserve to be in business? After all, it IS a business - and when it was run as a hobby it ran up huge debts.
2. UK Competitions / Monopolies commission. Banned them from selling at below MSRP ever. Again, this is to prevent possible abuses - as they both produce and distribute the goods.
Perhaps the US should have stronger competition provisions if this is such a huge problem? Again you berate a company for behaving as a business, within the laws of the country - shouldnt the local stores bear some of the ire, for not looking before they leap?
3. See above - they have venue support and dont have 60% shelf space requirements, but hten they would never sign a contract that required that.
If you are stupid enough to sign one sided contracts because greed is clouding your eyes (yes, it is greed) that isnt a fault of GW, but of your own stupidity.
No, £168 is a good investment in an army that you will get hours of enjoyment from painting and playing from, and will be valid for a minimum of 5 years. (13 if youre a DE fan ;)) Compare that to say, most other hobbies it compares favourably bang for buck.
It still isnt "pay to win"m and arguably hasnt been for 10 years (1998 for 3rd ed 40k, if memory serves) and in fact is the opposite - if heroes alone win games (you decry herohammer) then you need les of an army, and the hero is normally the cheapest element.
You have no contemporary knowledge, so basically your information is crap. If you felt beat upon perhaps you were just stupid? Certainly your posts back that impression up.
I tend not to "play with little kids" - the wargames club has 90 members and all, bar 1, is over 18 (we let one 15yr old in as he is pretty good, and not a distraction) but we're lucky here - we have 2 big clubs in our town as well as GW, and have regular well respected tournaments. But meh, I'm not here to change your mind - correct the ill informed bile, yes, but if you want to miss out on a highly challenging war game that is your prerogative.
Exactly - they are lying as they are posting not about how you feel *about the game* but instead about the unrelated actions elsewhere. It is a pointless activity.
Cease and Desist is the appropriate way to deal with trademark violations - you cannot scream "fan site!!!" and expect to be treated any differently. The best way would have been to have approached GW directly (seriously, Jervis et al are really nice guys*, just show soem respect and not assume that *they* owe *you*) and asked to put stuff up - they are not anti-fan, just anti taking the piss by scanning all their artwork and creating derivative, infringing works.
Lessons to be learnt - dont take the piss and assume they owe you just because you are "fans", and actually ask first...
*disclaimer: did some playtest and development years back on Inquisitor, and got to work with (over the phone, lol) Jervis et al - we got given the equations to work out the stats. For giggles we tried an Inq scale BloodThirster - it is Strength: >1000 compare to a space marine with strength ~300. Inq scale Dreadnoughts are fun as well :D)
Well, except for the facts that
a) Games Workshop sells to distributors at 25% below retail, which is why they can offer between 10 and 15% off shop price (see Wayland Games - an actual source, compared to your baseless rant!) and does NOT forbid sales, hence why Wayland had a sale when the Valkyries were released
b) GW are themselves restrained from offering sales, even on damaged stock, due to a Competition Commision ruling from about 6 years ago. They can NEVER reduce instore prices to below MSRP.
c) Our local indy stocks GW specialist games just fine - and they dont have to have 60% shelf space etc.
In short what you said was complete crap. Well done/.
Huh?
GW keep wargaming alive, as they bring in new players. Hence the term "Gateway drug" - PP would die a death as it tends to attract people who already play WG. THey also have the money to invest and actually innovate - like the washes, foundation paints, full 3D rendering and production of HIGH cost plastic moulds (you say they are "cheaper plastics" - only once you have paid for the mould, at £30k per avg sprue, £90k for the Baneblade sprues. Still think theyre cheap? Or you still talking out of your arse?) - that PP et al cannot hope to match. Never mind the gaming boards, spray paint that actually undercoats without losing detail (noticed how the non-GW has changed recently? GW have licensed this out...) and without streaking / bobbling, and the other innovations. they don't do everhything perfectly (seriously, vac formed blast scapes? Thats worthy of a lesser company, they moved from vac form crap years ago for everything else) - least of which is writing a tight set of rules witihni every army book. However they stilld o far more good for the community?
"Keep releasing new editions" - once every 6 years? Care to supply how many Warmachine versions there have been in the last 5 years, and how many reprints? Oh wait, that would undermine your point! PP is also 1/3rd owned by GW....
They have also stated they write *1* FAQ to avoid the horrible mess you had in the past. But again, you dont know that, or choose not to mention this as it undermines your point. Again.
40k 5th ed is a vastly more tactical game than warmachine or 4th ed 40k, yet you won't know this. You jsut claim, without proof, that the game has been dumbed down - yet I was 12 when I picked up 2nd ed, and 12year olds pick up 5th ed now. The exact same market has been targetted for the last 20years, ever since retail opened - or are you too /. ignorant to understand that?
Disclaimer - I don't work for GW, my bd used to and left because, sadly, the people side of GW is run atrociously. However the quality of the miniatures has never been higher (waiting for Blancheites to counter, to which the counter is look at new skaven, theyre modelled off original artowrk...) and the actual products they sell are very high quality.
So in other words people are purposefully lying?
Good to know who is trustworthy and who isn't.
Scanning art you dont own the right sto and expect to get a C&D.
And you'[re misinformed (a more polite way of saying "you're wrong") - space hulk was a limited run and they are not reprinting.
given that you cant buy it new any longer it would struggle to stay high in the sales charts, doncha think?
Then you haven't played 5th ed, where the objectives make the game a hugely tactical game - vastly superior to the attempts in 4th. It isn't "buy to win" - that is an idiotic comment. given that the most expensive hero, Marneus Calgar, is £18 (and you also get 4 vets with him) is also one of the worst, and the rest of the army will cost £150, it isnt "hero hammer" - not by long means. If you really want buy to win then look at MtG, where P9s are costing you a thousand dollars....a card.
You havent played since the days of 4th and 5th ed WHFB at a guess, when it really was herohammer. Not that Hordes / Warmachine seems to do badly, given that hero hammer is what that game is all about....
I asume you realise your anti-pot stance can be rpelaced with "alchohol", a legal substance - those problems exist with any drug. It is an iirational argument
Or how about make it illegal to drive while under the influence? Oh wait, driving while incapable already IS illegal
Just because something is legal doesnt mean you cannot legislate usage, or have treatment programmes for people who abuse the substance. Why punish the majority who can use a substance safely for the sake of a minority?
Entire wall sockets are less than £2 in the UK.
http://nextday.diy.com/app/jsp/product/productPage.jsp?productId=81793
All sockets have to be switched in the UK - building regs.
As the Earth is longer (top pin) it is quite easy to locate it in the socket.
Quite amusingly your own ignorance shows through: the very text you (I guess blindly) copied states it is *not* the actual terms you will be agreeing to, and as such has absolutely zero, zilch, bearing on the contract between yourself and the retailer.
Unless the software is EXPLICITLY licensed then it is a direct sale, and is to be treated as such: the only enforceable contracts are those at the point at which consideration is exchanged. Co0ntracts made after this point can only ever be considered "agreements" and have no legal backing and no penalties for non compliance.
No, just licences imposed AFTER PURCHASE
THe GPL removes a restriction with Copyright - you may not distribute - but in return you agree to abide by the terms of the licence. A licence you are free to decline, and unlike EULAs would have you believe *you still retain the rights to use the program* - you just may not distribute.
Nope, you purchased a copy of the software - the licence is an attempt at contract of adhesion, and certainly in the UK is looked upon with a dim view. UCTA pretty much invalidates most.
If it looks like a sale it is a sale, despite an attempt to "licence" it afterwards.
Neither does a big guy in the sky who made everything, but didnt do it very well
and if you are gay you can't marry EVEN IF you find someone who wants to marry you. Have you understood that yet?
Seen the difference yet? You still have the potential of marrying the person you are in love with, and who is in love with you, when you are straight and single. Gay and single has no such potential
Well, at least in the backwards parts of hte USA.
Ahm the US: an entire country the Dutch can laugh at :) So backwards in their attitudes to sex that even us Brits look progressive!
(Sexuality, in all forms, is taught from age 5. As is love, relationships, etc. Result? Lowest teen pregnancy rate pretty much anywhere, highest avg age for loss of virginity)
You CAN marry if you find a partner.
Someone who is gay CANNOT marry even if they havea partner because the law states they cannot.
Surely you cannot fail to see the clear, major difference between the two cases?
No, it is not equal:
Heterosexuals can marry the person they love
Homosexuals cannot.
I pity the US: so backwards.
The right to be with the person you love is a natural right
Do you even have a logical argument as to why marriage should be so restricted? Or just a knee jerk one based on religious indoctrination that has no place in any rational debate?
No, the debate is *why the fuck doi you WANT to restrict it*?
Seriously - WHY are you so bothered? How does two people living together, creating a stable family home, bother you when its two people of the same gender? And why should I care that you are bothered?
Essentially - why do you have the right to interfere with others?
Excpet it hasn't.
Marriage has had many, many different forms. Some societies even embraced homosexual couples.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
{you also don't havea reason *why* gay couples shouldn't be able to marry, but I guess that might tax those brain cells you're jealously guarding}
Marriage is a right, but is currently witheld as a license.
The actual purpose of marriage is to create a more stable society - your fallacy is that it has nothing to do with procreation. That is the *religious* impetus behind it, however religious concerns are of no importance here, whatsoever. Religions co-opted marriage however it is, at heart, civil.
You have also singularly failed to show any *harm* in this - how does this harm you? And if you cite "lack of offspring" then I assume you wish to annull the marriages of anyone who doesnt produce offspring within, say, 2 years of marriage?
Straights have royally fucked with marriage, now I want (and actually have done - in the UK) to be able to show you how much better it can be done. Your attempt at pretending it is "recreational" tells more about your lack of emotional or mental maturity than you might expect.
It is not a preference, it is inate, But then you wouldnt understand that as you have no doubt never actually thought about your own sexuality.
Assuming it was an asset that could be depreciated, selling it for less than you paid can constitute a profit given the utility you have had from the asset.
If you sell for above the depreciated value it is a profit.