You, sir, are the biggest enemy of freedom I have read about today. I hope you die a painful cancerous death -- to protect america by removing you from the voting pool.
This article, along with the other articles about "cell phone repeaters are being installed in airplanes in order to allow cell phone calls on planes", should make everyone stop and ask:
How did the people on the hijacked planes call their loved ones on the cell phone?
Well, if the opportunity was there, I'd love for them to save my ass. Fortunately for me, and possibly as a function of not going out in public very much, I haven't had the need for police protection myself. Lately.
But when I was getting phoned death threats in the 1980s? "No, we don't do anything unless actual physical violence has occurred."
When our car was robbed of $800 of items in D.C.? "Sorry, our phone line is down, you can make a complaint in person." No, not really, not if both of us going down during business hours means that we have to sacrifice a day's leave, and therefore wage. That would cost $400+ right there.
So, it would be nice if they did the things they were supposed to do, and didn't do the things they aren't supposed to do.
However, I am just simply not seeing that happen.
And actually, I usually manipulate a cop into helping me anyway! You ask them for directions or some such nonsense (even if you're not lost), and suddenly, they can become very helpful. It's as if they are just bored and want something to do.
We've asked a cop if we could make a campfire by the pond for a few hours (well, he was sitting in the entrance!). He said yes. Some of the same people came back another time and got many hours of community service for tresspassing. (Gee, I'd think you could hide in the woods pretty easily!)
My other friend, gets 100 hrs community service for stealing a jar of salsa because he was hungry.
Meanwhile another friend of mine, same town, is beat to the point where his heart stops and blood is on all the walls. (They bought & kept a loaded gun on their table, and under their pillow, for the rest of college. It was bad.) Facial reconstructive surgery. Other victims (including sister of perpetrator). Felony disabling of phone line to prevent calling 911. Bloody friends crawling to the street for 30 minutes to get help. Many, many stitches. Metal plates in faces. Perpetrators hitting unconcious people with brass knuckles repeatedly to the head. (And all this was over the fact that G was not paying for B's car after they broke up!)
Did the cop even arrest the perpetrators for the marijuana in the car? Nope.
What did they get in the end? Hopefully more than stealing a jar of salsa? No. Fucking anger management classes.
I'm sort of tangenting into a much larger point about the injustice of our so-called pathetic justice system. The cops don't help bring about justice very much at all.
Okay, you definitely seem a lot more reasonable this time around, and I hope I did too.
However, this Bad Idea(tm) is basically the backbone of our nation and how we were founded. Standing up to tyranny. Maybe I'm making mountains out of molehills, but I've seen enough police abuse to know that witnesses are necessary. I walked towards the flashing lights to provide a service to people who I felt were being opressed.
(A partial irony being I work in a lesser law enforcement facility as a contractor.)
(Also, I've had a cop point a gun at my head for tryign to ask for directions, another lie in court to forfeit my roommate's car, and another throw the head of my 16-year-old friend repeatedly into a closed car door because he dared to drink in an empty field next to a compost pile. All in vastly different jurisdictions at different times [25,15,16] in my life.)
And I've seen how they behave in the WTO Protest videos as well. Running down the street top speed, stopping in order to hit someone already on the ground with a nightstick. And they get away with it every time. Even when, on halloween, a cop was called to a party for a NOISE VIOLATION (not an offense in which death is a possible punishment), saw someone dressed as a "robber" with a toy gun pointed towards the window, shot thru the window killing the guy, and got away with it.
I guess if you have a costume party, you have to actually close all your blinds to prevent people from being murdered by the government. Just dandy.
Thugs don't tend to use common sense. But your solution of being docile and compliant ENCOURAGES this. Stand up for your rights. Make some friction. It wont be pretty, but justice rarely is.
They asked them questions, as in that's what they were there to do. I'm not sure why you read into that sentence so much, but I can go into detail.
This guy was mad because a thug had literally sat on his girlfriend's neck, she was crying hysterically, and as far as I could tell myself, they were trying to leave peacefully. Maybe they did something previously, but nothing warranted this kind of assault. I can't believe I have to send a 2nd post defending them. This pro-thug mentality you demonstrate is exactly what the problem is!
The police, demonstrating thug mentality, very obviously allied themselves with the other thugs, the RennFest security. The guy, who like I said was very pissed off and full of testosterone, was "yelling" (I'd say talking loudly), calling the security faggots, and doing other things that the little-lawyer-on-his-shoulder should have been advising him not to. He was right, and I believe when you are right you have every justification to be pissed off, yelling, whatever. However, the police were in his face acting like they were going to arrest him for yelling too loud.
Meanwhile, my wife had separated from me in the parking lot accidentally (it's big: very big), so it took us 40 minutes of wandering and yelling to find each other. Suffice to say, nobody had a problem when I was yelling at the top of my lungs for my wife. But when this guy dares to raise his voice because people assaulted his girlfriend, and him, suddenly it becomes a reason for a cop to get up in his face and get all nasty with him. It was extremely unjust, something you obviously couldn't grasp from my initial description. It seems like you are using your own bias to fill in the gaps in my story, and you are filling them in incorrectly.
I was a witness and had total business being there.
a) bad luck for them, not me, fortunately
b) No, only ever been to 2 or 3.
c) What the FUCK are you talking about? So now, enforcers can do whatever they want as long as they've had a drink? Sign me up for a badge, if I knew I could abuse people and use alcohol as an excuse, I'd have become a cop a long time ago. Jesus fucking Christ I can't imagine why a sane person would even suggest what you just suggested. Mitigating factors don't make illegal acts legal! You are arguing the fascist viewpoint.
d) I'm married, I order my food from a food service (DietToGo) so I never go into grocery stores, my wife orders from PeaPod, I throw parties and have people come over a lot, I don't go to bars or clubs more than 5-10 times in a year (and less last year), I rent my movies from Netflix and never go to the theatre, and I only go to the mall to Christmas shop for the people who are left over after my online shopping, I have a 2500 sq ft house with big TV and fast internet and I have never been to a friend's place with a better setup than me (so we invite people over and throw paties)... And I hate driving, and I hate the risk of drunk driving so much I paid $180 for a professional-grade breathylizer.
So Yes, I can pretty well remember the last 10 times I was in public.
The person making an ass of themselves was, actually, the boyfriend/co-victim, not me. I was the only sane person there.
Unfortunatley I've seen security folks use excessive force for seemingly no reason twice in the last 10 times I went in public.
I saw them tackle a couple TRYING TO LEAVE teh Maryland RennFest. I did not like this. I stuck around as a witness and gave advice to the victims. The police came. They asked them questions. I told them they didn't have to answer. The police told me to leave. I told them I had a first-amendment right to assemble in the public parking lot anywhere I want while waiting for my wife to pick me up. They forcefully pushed (assaulted) me away. But not before he had my number in his cell phone as a witness (they called me from the hospital later, but I never heard again -- charges dropped?)
I'm not going back to RennFest. This will cost them hundreds.
Then, at 9:30 Club in D.C., I saw the security there forcefully detain a couple BECAUSE THE GIRL WENT UP ON THE EMPTY STAGE AND TOOK THE PIECE OF PAPER WITH THE SONGS ("SET LIST") ON IT.
I mean... What... The... Fuck. So now any thug paid by anybody to protect anything can just trample all over anyone they want, call the police, and the police will come in and assault anyone who disagrees?
Fuck that, and, I'm sorry to you personally, but fuck you and your thug buddies.
(How long will people continue to believe the official version of events?)
(Also: Where are the pentagon plane parts, the two 5-ton titaniam jet engines which cannot vaporize in a fire because burning jet fuel is what they are designed to do? Where'd they go? Why are there no pictures? Why did the FBI only release five frames of video, none of which show what actually hit? Why are no photographs available despite the press being on site? Why was a CNN correspondent on site at the time saying he saw nothing looking like a plane? Why did CNN stop airing that?)
I like how you think naming logical fallacies has any effect on me whatsoever. Your frustration just further serves to increase my energy level, and I am going to make damn sure to do some extra smoking in public just because of you. You have made the world a smokier place, thank you.
And you would actually get mad at someone for allowing 1 particle to get near you. That is the ultimate definition of petty.
I'm surprised you don't walk around with a Gieger counter or somesuch nonsense. After all, just one alpha particle can cause cancer. And many things emit radiation (fire detectors, etc). Maybe you should outfit yourself with many different kinds of sensors, so that you can detect each and every particle that might harm you?
Maybe you could wander through airports and public places and force people to stop killing you! Think of how much better we will all be under your oppressive regime! Why, nobody will be able to emit anything.
Maybe farting should be illegal too? (Yes, I know it's not nearly the same thing as smoking, but it still fits in line with your warped view of reality.)
Also, no cars should be allowed within 50 feet of any pedestrians. If you use a crosswalk, all traffic should stop until you can get back to your bubble.
You don't seem to understand the concept of negligible. Avoid it and it will be. Nobody else has to cater to your incessant whining and paranoia (Except me, apparantly).
and yet... I don't smoke. Or rather, I smoke if they are around, but I don't purchase cigarettes. Oh yea, I'm so addicted; I sold my body last night on the streetside for my next fix. (NOTE: This is a parody, I actually enjoy a $200,000 positive net worth COUNTING what I owe on my house.)
You're clearly 10 times more sensitive on certain subjects, therefore we should spend 10 times our effort making sure not to hurt poor widdle you, huh?
Go move to the country. You get more pollution from factories and mother nature than you get from cigarettes. One volcanic eruption can put more bad stuff in the air than everything mankind has done in its entire existence. You have no right to clean air if you are in my personal space, and the cigarette smoke is NOT DOING JACK FUCKING SHIT to you if you are out of my personal space (i.e. 50 feet away). Furthermore, the science has been disproven. Go do some reasearch you ignorant fascist. If you were in my house I'd tie you down and force you to smoke, and it would be grand entertainment.
People like you just want to take away more and more rights. What if it was found out that cotton caused cancer, even if you were 50 feet away from it? (Yes, it's an insane supposition.) People like me would say, "If you don't like cotton, you can leave." People like you would insist that I surrender my underwear before they infringe on your rights.
Fuck. Why am I even responding? Now people are getting fired for smoking in their own homes on their own time. You are just another increment on the ruler to fascism. You might not believe in the destination, but you are a fucking tool helping fascism happen whether you know it or believe it or not.
Arguing about whether it is a "loophole" or not is a semantic argument. You aren't arguing about the issue; you are arguing about a dictionary entry.
Get back to the issues at hand, please.
Many people, including myself, use "loophole" to describe any obscure rule whereby someone can gain an unfair advantage. Intentionally profiteering from making bad films via a tax rule that 99% of people don't know about qualifies as a "loophole" in my, and many other peoples' books.
And remember: "Unix" isn't in Merriam-Webster. At least not when I played Boggle last. (Oh god, what did I just admit about myself?)
Fuck you, society is NOT set up to make it hard for police to abuse their power. Take your fucking rose-tinted glasses off; you are the most pathetic person I've seen on slashdot all day (and I'm catching up on 4 day's reading).
I have been assaulted by an officer, and had a gun pointed at my head for trying to ask directions.
Suffice to say, if more people were like me, more people would wake the fuck up. But this self-serving pat-on-my-own-back does little to increase the true level of freedom around here.
I can't go into lengthy detail here as it would not fit... But... Get out there, watch some of the underground documentaries, pay attention. Download the recording of CNN at the Pentagon where they are talking about how there's NO PLANE THERE. This was immediately after it hit. CNN declined to ever play the clip again.
Please don't try to argue it with me here. Look for the facts yourself.
Also, in terms of current events, ask yourself how did all these emotional cell-phone calls happen before the planes hit, when they are only now outfitting airplanes with booster hardware to make cell calls available? A minor point, but a current one what with CNN stories on "oooh look, soon we're gonna be able to use cellphones on TV!"
This is all part of a global, dare I say it, conspiracy to take our rights away from us.
And remember, a conspiracy doesn't have to be a room of shadowy men in dark suits sitting in a dark room conspiring. A conspiracy can be a faceless representation of abstract ideas represented by arbitrary groups of people. The beast does not have to have a face to be real.
And remember: Bush's grandfather got wealthy doing business with the Nazi's in the 1940s! It's no coincidence. Look it up at the oldest newspaper in the country, established before 1776. I wont tell you what it is; you have to learn to find the facts yourself.
No... You're wrong AND an asshole. I hope you die of cancer after not smoking all your life. I really do. The world would be a better place without people trying to tell other people how to live.
The original post about pollution, having to go to work, etc, is incredibly intelligent. If you cannot see that, then the simple conclusion is that you are not.
Not that I expect you to find ME a credible source of information. But... You are teh suck.
Can somebody please post a torrent of the SWF files so I can download them and watch them full-screen on my 36-inch TV, the same way I would if a console were hooked up to it?
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You, sir, are the biggest enemy of freedom I have read about today. I hope you die a painful cancerous death -- to protect america by removing you from the voting pool.
How did the people on the hijacked planes call their loved ones on the cell phone?
Answer: They didn't. Learn the real facts.
I thought only men had testes?
But when I was getting phoned death threats in the 1980s? "No, we don't do anything unless actual physical violence has occurred."
When our car was robbed of $800 of items in D.C.? "Sorry, our phone line is down, you can make a complaint in person." No, not really, not if both of us going down during business hours means that we have to sacrifice a day's leave, and therefore wage. That would cost $400+ right there.
So, it would be nice if they did the things they were supposed to do, and didn't do the things they aren't supposed to do.
However, I am just simply not seeing that happen.
And actually, I usually manipulate a cop into helping me anyway! You ask them for directions or some such nonsense (even if you're not lost), and suddenly, they can become very helpful. It's as if they are just bored and want something to do.
We've asked a cop if we could make a campfire by the pond for a few hours (well, he was sitting in the entrance!). He said yes. Some of the same people came back another time and got many hours of community service for tresspassing. (Gee, I'd think you could hide in the woods pretty easily!)
My other friend, gets 100 hrs community service for stealing a jar of salsa because he was hungry.
Meanwhile another friend of mine, same town, is beat to the point where his heart stops and blood is on all the walls. (They bought & kept a loaded gun on their table, and under their pillow, for the rest of college. It was bad.) Facial reconstructive surgery. Other victims (including sister of perpetrator). Felony disabling of phone line to prevent calling 911. Bloody friends crawling to the street for 30 minutes to get help. Many, many stitches. Metal plates in faces. Perpetrators hitting unconcious people with brass knuckles repeatedly to the head. (And all this was over the fact that G was not paying for B's car after they broke up!)
Did the cop even arrest the perpetrators for the marijuana in the car? Nope.
What did they get in the end? Hopefully more than stealing a jar of salsa? No. Fucking anger management classes.
I'm sort of tangenting into a much larger point about the injustice of our so-called pathetic justice system. The cops don't help bring about justice very much at all.
However, this Bad Idea(tm) is basically the backbone of our nation and how we were founded. Standing up to tyranny. Maybe I'm making mountains out of molehills, but I've seen enough police abuse to know that witnesses are necessary. I walked towards the flashing lights to provide a service to people who I felt were being opressed.
(A partial irony being I work in a lesser law enforcement facility as a contractor.)
(Also, I've had a cop point a gun at my head for tryign to ask for directions, another lie in court to forfeit my roommate's car, and another throw the head of my 16-year-old friend repeatedly into a closed car door because he dared to drink in an empty field next to a compost pile. All in vastly different jurisdictions at different times [25,15,16] in my life.)
And I've seen how they behave in the WTO Protest videos as well. Running down the street top speed, stopping in order to hit someone already on the ground with a nightstick. And they get away with it every time. Even when, on halloween, a cop was called to a party for a NOISE VIOLATION (not an offense in which death is a possible punishment), saw someone dressed as a "robber" with a toy gun pointed towards the window, shot thru the window killing the guy, and got away with it.
I guess if you have a costume party, you have to actually close all your blinds to prevent people from being murdered by the government. Just dandy.
Thugs don't tend to use common sense. But your solution of being docile and compliant ENCOURAGES this. Stand up for your rights. Make some friction. It wont be pretty, but justice rarely is.
This guy was mad because a thug had literally sat on his girlfriend's neck, she was crying hysterically, and as far as I could tell myself, they were trying to leave peacefully. Maybe they did something previously, but nothing warranted this kind of assault. I can't believe I have to send a 2nd post defending them. This pro-thug mentality you demonstrate is exactly what the problem is!
The police, demonstrating thug mentality, very obviously allied themselves with the other thugs, the RennFest security. The guy, who like I said was very pissed off and full of testosterone, was "yelling" (I'd say talking loudly), calling the security faggots, and doing other things that the little-lawyer-on-his-shoulder should have been advising him not to. He was right, and I believe when you are right you have every justification to be pissed off, yelling, whatever. However, the police were in his face acting like they were going to arrest him for yelling too loud.
Meanwhile, my wife had separated from me in the parking lot accidentally (it's big: very big), so it took us 40 minutes of wandering and yelling to find each other. Suffice to say, nobody had a problem when I was yelling at the top of my lungs for my wife. But when this guy dares to raise his voice because people assaulted his girlfriend, and him, suddenly it becomes a reason for a cop to get up in his face and get all nasty with him. It was extremely unjust, something you obviously couldn't grasp from my initial description. It seems like you are using your own bias to fill in the gaps in my story, and you are filling them in incorrectly.
I was a witness and had total business being there.
a) bad luck for them, not me, fortunately
b) No, only ever been to 2 or 3.
c) What the FUCK are you talking about? So now, enforcers can do whatever they want as long as they've had a drink? Sign me up for a badge, if I knew I could abuse people and use alcohol as an excuse, I'd have become a cop a long time ago. Jesus fucking Christ I can't imagine why a sane person would even suggest what you just suggested. Mitigating factors don't make illegal acts legal! You are arguing the fascist viewpoint.
d) I'm married, I order my food from a food service (DietToGo) so I never go into grocery stores, my wife orders from PeaPod, I throw parties and have people come over a lot, I don't go to bars or clubs more than 5-10 times in a year (and less last year), I rent my movies from Netflix and never go to the theatre, and I only go to the mall to Christmas shop for the people who are left over after my online shopping, I have a 2500 sq ft house with big TV and fast internet and I have never been to a friend's place with a better setup than me (so we invite people over and throw paties)... And I hate driving, and I hate the risk of drunk driving so much I paid $180 for a professional-grade breathylizer.
So Yes, I can pretty well remember the last 10 times I was in public.
The person making an ass of themselves was, actually, the boyfriend/co-victim, not me. I was the only sane person there.
I saw them tackle a couple TRYING TO LEAVE teh Maryland RennFest. I did not like this. I stuck around as a witness and gave advice to the victims. The police came. They asked them questions. I told them they didn't have to answer. The police told me to leave. I told them I had a first-amendment right to assemble in the public parking lot anywhere I want while waiting for my wife to pick me up. They forcefully pushed (assaulted) me away. But not before he had my number in his cell phone as a witness (they called me from the hospital later, but I never heard again -- charges dropped?)
I'm not going back to RennFest. This will cost them hundreds.
Then, at 9:30 Club in D.C., I saw the security there forcefully detain a couple BECAUSE THE GIRL WENT UP ON THE EMPTY STAGE AND TOOK THE PIECE OF PAPER WITH THE SONGS ("SET LIST") ON IT.
I mean... What... The... Fuck. So now any thug paid by anybody to protect anything can just trample all over anyone they want, call the police, and the police will come in and assault anyone who disagrees?
Fuck that, and, I'm sorry to you personally, but fuck you and your thug buddies.
Sir, Please direct me to the BoBoBo game!
(How long will people continue to believe the official version of events?)
(Also: Where are the pentagon plane parts, the two 5-ton titaniam jet engines which cannot vaporize in a fire because burning jet fuel is what they are designed to do? Where'd they go? Why are there no pictures? Why did the FBI only release five frames of video, none of which show what actually hit? Why are no photographs available despite the press being on site? Why was a CNN correspondent on site at the time saying he saw nothing looking like a plane? Why did CNN stop airing that?)
I like how you think naming logical fallacies has any effect on me whatsoever. Your frustration just further serves to increase my energy level, and I am going to make damn sure to do some extra smoking in public just because of you. You have made the world a smokier place, thank you.
I'm surprised you don't walk around with a Gieger counter or somesuch nonsense. After all, just one alpha particle can cause cancer. And many things emit radiation (fire detectors, etc). Maybe you should outfit yourself with many different kinds of sensors, so that you can detect each and every particle that might harm you?
Maybe you could wander through airports and public places and force people to stop killing you! Think of how much better we will all be under your oppressive regime! Why, nobody will be able to emit anything.
Maybe farting should be illegal too? (Yes, I know it's not nearly the same thing as smoking, but it still fits in line with your warped view of reality.)
Also, no cars should be allowed within 50 feet of any pedestrians. If you use a crosswalk, all traffic should stop until you can get back to your bubble.
You don't seem to understand the concept of negligible. Avoid it and it will be. Nobody else has to cater to your incessant whining and paranoia (Except me, apparantly).
and yet... I don't smoke. Or rather, I smoke if they are around, but I don't purchase cigarettes. Oh yea, I'm so addicted; I sold my body last night on the streetside for my next fix. (NOTE: This is a parody, I actually enjoy a $200,000 positive net worth COUNTING what I owe on my house.)
Go move to the country. You get more pollution from factories and mother nature than you get from cigarettes. One volcanic eruption can put more bad stuff in the air than everything mankind has done in its entire existence. You have no right to clean air if you are in my personal space, and the cigarette smoke is NOT DOING JACK FUCKING SHIT to you if you are out of my personal space (i.e. 50 feet away). Furthermore, the science has been disproven. Go do some reasearch you ignorant fascist. If you were in my house I'd tie you down and force you to smoke, and it would be grand entertainment.
People like you just want to take away more and more rights. What if it was found out that cotton caused cancer, even if you were 50 feet away from it? (Yes, it's an insane supposition.) People like me would say, "If you don't like cotton, you can leave." People like you would insist that I surrender my underwear before they infringe on your rights.
Fuck. Why am I even responding? Now people are getting fired for smoking in their own homes on their own time. You are just another increment on the ruler to fascism. You might not believe in the destination, but you are a fucking tool helping fascism happen whether you know it or believe it or not.
Fired for smoking here.
P.S. I would gladly murder you to preserve my right to give you cancer.
Get back to the issues at hand, please.
Many people, including myself, use "loophole" to describe any obscure rule whereby someone can gain an unfair advantage. Intentionally profiteering from making bad films via a tax rule that 99% of people don't know about qualifies as a "loophole" in my, and many other peoples' books.
And remember: "Unix" isn't in Merriam-Webster. At least not when I played Boggle last. (Oh god, what did I just admit about myself?)
Where did you get it?
(lAmENesSFilTerOverRide)
Fuck you, society is NOT set up to make it hard for police to abuse their power. Take your fucking rose-tinted glasses off; you are the most pathetic person I've seen on slashdot all day (and I'm catching up on 4 day's reading).
I have been assaulted by an officer, and had a gun pointed at my head for trying to ask directions.
Suffice to say, if more people were like me, more people would wake the fuck up. But this self-serving pat-on-my-own-back does little to increase the true level of freedom around here.
You need marijuana.
I can't go into lengthy detail here as it would not fit... But... Get out there, watch some of the underground documentaries, pay attention. Download the recording of CNN at the Pentagon where they are talking about how there's NO PLANE THERE. This was immediately after it hit. CNN declined to ever play the clip again.
Please don't try to argue it with me here. Look for the facts yourself.
Also, in terms of current events, ask yourself how did all these emotional cell-phone calls happen before the planes hit, when they are only now outfitting airplanes with booster hardware to make cell calls available? A minor point, but a current one what with CNN stories on "oooh look, soon we're gonna be able to use cellphones on TV!"
This is all part of a global, dare I say it, conspiracy to take our rights away from us.
And remember, a conspiracy doesn't have to be a room of shadowy men in dark suits sitting in a dark room conspiring. A conspiracy can be a faceless representation of abstract ideas represented by arbitrary groups of people. The beast does not have to have a face to be real.
And remember: Bush's grandfather got wealthy doing business with the Nazi's in the 1940s! It's no coincidence. Look it up at the oldest newspaper in the country, established before 1776. I wont tell you what it is; you have to learn to find the facts yourself.
And remember: Many of the "hijackers" are alive: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/15591 51.stm
And I think you would enjoy reading Flatland (moreso than Sphereland).
The original post about pollution, having to go to work, etc, is incredibly intelligent. If you cannot see that, then the simple conclusion is that you are not.
Not that I expect you to find ME a credible source of information. But... You are teh suck.
I have to change my lifestyle to rent porn. The video store moved it to the back of the room. YOU'RE VIOLATING MY RIGHTS!
In-browser flash sucks. And I'm lazy.