The errors caused by the patch are caused by the fact that __KE_ERROR and __KE_DEBUG *and* DRM_ERR are all macros that expand to basically printk's. The patch changed the way that those macros (which are already present in the kernel source) take the arguments. All of them were changed the same way. By disabling the patch, and rewritting the __KE macros to properly accept the calls, it compiled fine. I got it to compile but I haven't messed with setting it up yet, as I'm a little disturbed that these guys couldn't write a printk properly. Not that I'm an expert in kernel programming, I don't see how this code ever built for them on a gcc 2.95 system, unless they just built on a gcc 3 system and never tested it on a gcc 2.95 system. My thoughts.
Perhaps I jumped the gun a little, but I don't think so. I currently use Kde3.1 from cvs, so I don't remember exactly how it was in 3, BUT I don't remember being overwhelmed by a messy CC. KControl has always been fairly straight forward. Its even better in 3.1.
This is just insulting.
Sorry
The point is that there are some GOOD options. But how am I going to FIND those options if the interface is cluttered up with loads and loads of crack-options?
Hmmm, maybe go, "Do I know what this option does? No? Then I'll leave it alone." Then once you see an option to DO recognize, tweak it. What you are talking about it that the defaults should be what that majority wants. I agree. But don't remove the tweaks to change that default for the "minority" that wants something different. There are some options in KControl that I don't use, such as the Menu Bar in Mac OS style. Should it be removed because *I* don't like it? No, and it would be selfish of me to say so. Thats all I have to say. The point is, what you speak of is having good defaults that the majority uses. This I agree with. Such as changing the default style in Kde to Keramik and default icons to the Crystal icons. It makes Kde look good by default, its what a majority (including me) are going to set it to anyway, so those people that get scared by options don't have to touch KControl at all.
- if _everyone_ wants the different behavior, we should just switch to it, not make it an option.
#ifndef SARCASM
#define SARCASM 1
You know, why do we have all these different places to go to buy a car? Cars, SUVs, trucks, Minivans, it all too confusing. And they even allow you to choose power locks, color, what stereo you want in it, and other options, it's too much. We should just have one and make EVERYONE use is because it'll be easier. Choice makes my head hurt.
#endif
I just don't understand some people. They are only happy if everyone else uses the same thing as them. Nevermind the fact that if it was too confusing for you to deal with, THEN LEAVE IT ON THE FUCKING DEFAULT BEHAVIOR!! Choice is good, period. It doesn't make it "bloated". Sure, it may be confusing for some people, but then those people don't have to mess with it. To say that it doesn't have feature X because that will make it too messy is just an excuse, of the "it's not a bug it's a feature" type. If some software doesn't have the features that I like, I don't use the damn thing. Kde doesn't have a problem with being messy, yet I have yet to see another Kde desktop set up exactly like mine. It is tweakable out the ass. And it is in no way "messy".
This is what I've been waiting for. We need these to replace the current fiber thats installed in the US, and run to EVERY HOME instead of traditional copper phone lines. Maybe then the cost of bandwidth would come down (I'm not sure about that, as I'm not a phone/network expert. Someone out there will probably shoot that comment down)
New hardware + Linux = a non-functioning computer most of the time.
What the hell linux distro are you using? I've replaced half this system, and each time its as simple as commenting and uncommenting out lines in/etc/rc.d/rc.modules. The only time I had to do anything more than that is when I changed the mobo and cpu, and recompiled my kernel to take advantange of the new proc. But that wasn't a necessary step. I work at a MS Licensed OEM computer store, doing repairs/upgrades/custom builds on consumer systems, and trust me, Win ME/XP is a bigger bitch to get to work when you replace components. And don't get me started on the stupid shit I see Windows do, like on OEM shutdown it can't find command.com, which is in the same place it was the whole time, and you have to show it where it is./me thinks you really don't use linux, and are talking out of your ass.
I know what you mean. Personally, I got tired of seeing that stupid ad, so I added the domain it came from (ad.doubleclick.net I believe) to my/etc/hosts file with the IP addy of 127.0.0.1, and now all I get is a little "Click Here" link instead of the ad.
Seriously though, it was emulation that killed Loki.
Ummmm, no. Loki killed Loki. The CEO was a corrupt bastard, Loki would have gone bankrupt had it been any other type of company. Sad part is, they gave gaming in Linux a bad name. Kinda like Linuxgruven, they scammed me and lots of other people, now people believe that Linux is a scam. Oh how I hate greedy corporate bastards.
I'm curious. I hear that all the time here, but no one bothers saying exactly WHAT is the problem. Really, X has NOTHING to do with the way the GUI looks or operates. All X does is draw to the screen. Period. Nothing more. The various widget libs handle the way what is one the screen looks and acts. X gets commands like, draw a line of this color from here to here. If the mouse is clicked, tell me where and what button is clicked. Thats IT.
If you stuck to the reports I've seen in reputable newspapers, you wouldn't even have to suffer the notion of Microsoft as a responsible party.
Funny thing is, every time MS screws up, The St. Louis Post always reports it in an unflattering light for MS. Hell, that remote hole in XP was front page news today. Along with cautions against buying XP and quotes from buyers who aren't going to buy XP now. Its somewhat amusing.
Go to Borders or the library and just read the book. It's about Nirvana. They sold millions of records, and only made pennies on that. What WAS the cash cow, tho, was the tours. Read the last four chapters. Gold Mountain was pushing Kurt to tour, which would have meant hundreds of thousands of dollars in their(Nirvana) pockets, for just working three months. No, artists only make approx. $0.35 per album, outta the $14-$20 that I paid for a CD of "Nevermind". Sure, album sales do bring some money, but not nearly as much as touring does.
I can't figure out how to report this bug, but for some reason, my karma is at -2. Take a look at my user page, see how the comments went from 1 to 0? I never was modded down, and I don't really post that much. I DO, however, post on occasion, and now, all my posts start at 0. Anyone know how to get this to Taco?
Now, if that's not the case, a simple chmod of newgrp will fix you right up Thats what I did, since this is a desktop (well, laptop) system, I never need the newgrp command, and I suspect that the ftp sites are bogged right now (plus I'm still on 2.4.9, so I'd need several patches to get to the right version). Simple chmod go-x/usr/bin/newgrp and yr set. I'll get the patch later.
Hmmm, first security patch in, ummm, how long?
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How does this even compare to the patching required to stop the Nimda worm? This is the first patch I have *EVER* had to apply, the others were not security fixes. I have NEVER had to patch the kernel to stop a potentially weak exploit (yes, I call a local exploit weak, cuz its possible to get root locally on any OS easily anyway, just a little social engineering...). Please don't take this as having a angery tone, but seriously, this is much different than admin'ing 2k boxes. Yes, updating an enterprise network is a pain, I'd imagine (I admit, I don't do it). But how can that compare to the regular patches required to keep 2k secure? This is a once in a few years patch, for a weak exploit. Not the ___ patches required ( I'm not sure how many, insert the # please) to just stop Nimda from saturating your network.
...especially if the company makes products that are not able to leave something to chance by using something like gcc
Ummm, what? I'm failing to see how this is "leaving it to chance". Seems to me that you 'd be taking MORE of a chance by using a closed source cc. There is not "chance" in gcc. You have the source. Look at it, dammit. There is no chance to take, except to not do your homework. Yes, gcc 3.01 may have some bugs, maybe thats what you're refering to. But at least you can go in an rewrite or fix those parts to insure the compiler is doing exactly what you what. And if you are a software house using it internally, you don't even need to release the source, even tho it would probably be better to do so to get the added benefit of sharing the devel and debug costs with the world. Of course, we don't have the pretty little "Intel" logo to insure that you know nothing about how the compiler works. Sorry, my $.02
Thanks for the explaination, but I do take offense to the comment:
Linux advocates must, must, must move away from thinking "if it can't be done with Linux, it must not be worth doing" towards "how, both technically and politically, can we get Linux to do this thing as well as Windows does and do so at least as easily as Windows does." Otherwise, Linux will be the sour-grapes alternative only.
Come on, man. I never said anything like that. I said I didn't understand what Flash and sw was needed for in a publishers web-site. No, I haven't used Flash or Shockwave. I have only visited sites that use it intensively once, in my pre-Linux days, and It took forever to load on a dial-up. I could say more about why it isn't a good idea to use, but I don't want a flame war, I don't want to fight. Use Windows. I don't care. I really don't. But I won't be. I think the point here is that we, as a community, feel proud when our software that we've worked on gets used to help out an impoverished school, or whatever. Thats why we get excited about news like this. We created the software to be useful, _if_, and a big _if_, it can be useful to you. Otherwise, we are not a business, I write software for myself mainly, for education and for functionality. If someone else finds a use for it, great. We NEVER said that We were trying to kill Windows. Some of the community did, but that ISN'T all of us. The most vocal are the minority. Besides, the story is about a poor school, with 486's and P 75's. I really doubt a Flash site would run well on it anyway.
Please hear me out, as I could very well be wrong. I just want to know exactly what for and why you _need_ to use Flash, and Shockwave for. I mean, you work for a publisher. Why does a educational publisher need flashy web graphics? Really, I'm not being elitist. I am merely curious.
Fact is, many times, once you stop and evaluate what you need to do and how you are doing it, often times you will find that you're overkilling it. No bad feelings to you, just asking.
I never knew there was more to it. what tuning can you do that would be useful in a workstation? I'm sorry if I sound stupid, but I am _really_ interested. As relative newbie (I've only been using for a year), anything I can learn, the better.
Unfortunately the world is run by C (Not the code, the grade) students.
Not to nitpick, but a C grade does mean average. Personally, I wish our law-makers were of the higher caliber portion of our population, but elections, on any level, are nothing more than popularity contests. Not to say that a PhD would necesarily make a good law-maker, but the fact is our early leaders were self-educated, brilliant men. Sad to see the caliber of our lawmakers being so low.
Although they wouldn't have if it HAD been encrypted. I've already converted to ps for some guy here, if he wants it, although pdf is quite a bit smaller than ps....lemme see,
ls -l Docs/help/Linuxfaq.*
-rw-r--r-- 1 chris users 279663 Jul 28 07:51 Docs/help/Linuxfaq.pdf
-rw-r--r-- 1 chris users 3167720 Jul 28 08:09 Docs/help/Linuxfaq.ps
I don't. the gs/gv packages from Slackware render it fine, and then there's xpdf if you don't like gv. If you really want, I just converted it just for you into Postscript using pdf2ps utility. Gimme yr email, or send an email to cpungent@linuxplanet.nu, and I'll send it to you.
Make sure you have ghostscript and ghostview installed, and there is some package to allow pdf viewing in X11, I can't remember which. I use Slackware, and I was having problems, until I realized I didn't install all the required programs. Make sure you have all the packages for your distro, and Konqi should do it, it opened the pdf for me.
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The errors caused by the patch are caused by the fact that __KE_ERROR and __KE_DEBUG *and* DRM_ERR are all macros that expand to basically printk's. The patch changed the way that those macros (which are already present in the kernel source) take the arguments. All of them were changed the same way. By disabling the patch, and rewritting the __KE macros to properly accept the calls, it compiled fine. I got it to compile but I haven't messed with setting it up yet, as I'm a little disturbed that these guys couldn't write a printk properly. Not that I'm an expert in kernel programming, I don't see how this code ever built for them on a gcc 2.95 system, unless they just built on a gcc 3 system and never tested it on a gcc 2.95 system. My thoughts.
This is just insulting.
SorryThe point is that there are some GOOD options. But how am I going to FIND those options if the interface is cluttered up with loads and loads of crack-options?
Hmmm, maybe go, "Do I know what this option does? No? Then I'll leave it alone." Then once you see an option to DO recognize, tweak it. What you are talking about it that the defaults should be what that majority wants. I agree. But don't remove the tweaks to change that default for the "minority" that wants something different. There are some options in KControl that I don't use, such as the Menu Bar in Mac OS style. Should it be removed because *I* don't like it? No, and it would be selfish of me to say so. Thats all I have to say. The point is, what you speak of is having good defaults that the majority uses. This I agree with. Such as changing the default style in Kde to Keramik and default icons to the Crystal icons. It makes Kde look good by default, its what a majority (including me) are going to set it to anyway, so those people that get scared by options don't have to touch KControl at all.- if _everyone_ wants the different behavior, we should just switch to it, not make it an option.
#ifndef SARCASM#define SARCASM 1
You know, why do we have all these different places to go to buy a car? Cars, SUVs, trucks, Minivans, it all too confusing. And they even allow you to choose power locks, color, what stereo you want in it, and other options, it's too much. We should just have one and make EVERYONE use is because it'll be easier. Choice makes my head hurt.
#endif
I just don't understand some people. They are only happy if everyone else uses the same thing as them. Nevermind the fact that if it was too confusing for you to deal with, THEN LEAVE IT ON THE FUCKING DEFAULT BEHAVIOR!! Choice is good, period. It doesn't make it "bloated". Sure, it may be confusing for some people, but then those people don't have to mess with it. To say that it doesn't have feature X because that will make it too messy is just an excuse, of the "it's not a bug it's a feature" type. If some software doesn't have the features that I like, I don't use the damn thing. Kde doesn't have a problem with being messy, yet I have yet to see another Kde desktop set up exactly like mine. It is tweakable out the ass. And it is in no way "messy".
This is what I've been waiting for. We need these to replace the current fiber thats installed in the US, and run to EVERY HOME instead of traditional copper phone lines. Maybe then the cost of bandwidth would come down (I'm not sure about that, as I'm not a phone/network expert. Someone out there will probably shoot that comment down)
New hardware + Linux = a non-functioning computer most of the time.
What the hell linux distro are you using? I've replaced half this system, and each time its as simple as commenting and uncommenting out lines in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules. The only time I had to do anything more than that is when I changed the mobo and cpu, and recompiled my kernel to take advantange of the new proc. But that wasn't a necessary step. I work at a MS Licensed OEM computer store, doing repairs/upgrades/custom builds on consumer systems, and trust me, Win ME/XP is a bigger bitch to get to work when you replace components. And don't get me started on the stupid shit I see Windows do, like on OEM shutdown it can't find command.com, which is in the same place it was the whole time, and you have to show it where it is. /me thinks you really don't use linux, and are talking out of your ass.
I know what you mean. Personally, I got tired of seeing that stupid ad, so I added the domain it came from (ad.doubleclick.net I believe) to my /etc/hosts file with the IP addy of 127.0.0.1, and now all I get is a little "Click Here" link instead of the ad.
Seriously though, it was emulation that killed Loki.
Ummmm, no. Loki killed Loki. The CEO was a corrupt bastard, Loki would have gone bankrupt had it been any other type of company. Sad part is, they gave gaming in Linux a bad name. Kinda like Linuxgruven, they scammed me and lots of other people, now people believe that Linux is a scam. Oh how I hate greedy corporate bastards.Why MUST I be FORCED to copy EVERYTHING I mark to the clipboard? Why cant _I_ decide when to put something into the clipboard???
This is something that Kde is supposed to be addressing soon. I believe its in the 3.1 branch.Also - why can't I use X without using the mouse?
You can. I don't remember offhand what the option is, but there IS an option that allows this. Its in the man page.And how do you do it, when the screen is busted?
Uhhh, why would you need to change the res if the monitor is busted?I'm curious. I hear that all the time here, but no one bothers saying exactly WHAT is the problem. Really, X has NOTHING to do with the way the GUI looks or operates. All X does is draw to the screen. Period. Nothing more. The various widget libs handle the way what is one the screen looks and acts. X gets commands like, draw a line of this color from here to here. If the mouse is clicked, tell me where and what button is clicked. Thats IT.
Ive found that most left handed people have become more ambidexterous than right handed people because they're forced to switch so often.
I can vouch for this. I'm lefty as well, but I can write with both hands, use scissors with either hand, etc. The list goes on.
I'm not sending this file for your advice, because you are obviously a dumbfuck.
If you stuck to the reports I've seen in reputable newspapers, you wouldn't even have to suffer the notion of Microsoft as a responsible party.
Funny thing is, every time MS screws up, The St. Louis Post always reports it in an unflattering light for MS. Hell, that remote hole in XP was front page news today. Along with cautions against buying XP and quotes from buyers who aren't going to buy XP now. Its somewhat amusing.
Go to Borders or the library and just read the book. It's about Nirvana. They sold millions of records, and only made pennies on that. What WAS the cash cow, tho, was the tours. Read the last four chapters. Gold Mountain was pushing Kurt to tour, which would have meant hundreds of thousands of dollars in their(Nirvana) pockets, for just working three months. No, artists only make approx. $0.35 per album, outta the $14-$20 that I paid for a CD of "Nevermind". Sure, album sales do bring some money, but not nearly as much as touring does.
I can't figure out how to report this bug, but for some reason, my karma is at -2. Take a look at my user page, see how the comments went from 1 to 0? I never was modded down, and I don't really post that much. I DO, however, post on occasion, and now, all my posts start at 0. Anyone know how to get this to Taco?
Now, if that's not the case, a simple chmod of newgrp will fix you right up /usr/bin/newgrp and yr set. I'll get the patch later.
Thats what I did, since this is a desktop (well, laptop) system, I never need the newgrp command, and I suspect that the ftp sites are bogged right now (plus I'm still on 2.4.9, so I'd need several patches to get to the right version). Simple chmod go-x
How does this even compare to the patching required to stop the Nimda worm? This is the first patch I have *EVER* had to apply, the others were not security fixes. I have NEVER had to patch the kernel to stop a potentially weak exploit (yes, I call a local exploit weak, cuz its possible to get root locally on any OS easily anyway, just a little social engineering...). Please don't take this as having a angery tone, but seriously, this is much different than admin'ing 2k boxes. Yes, updating an enterprise network is a pain, I'd imagine (I admit, I don't do it). But how can that compare to the regular patches required to keep 2k secure? This is a once in a few years patch, for a weak exploit. Not the ___ patches required ( I'm not sure how many, insert the # please) to just stop Nimda from saturating your network.
Its a "sherlock" hat.
Ummm, what? I'm failing to see how this is "leaving it to chance". Seems to me that you 'd be taking MORE of a chance by using a closed source cc. There is not "chance" in gcc. You have the source. Look at it, dammit. There is no chance to take, except to not do your homework. Yes, gcc 3.01 may have some bugs, maybe thats what you're refering to. But at least you can go in an rewrite or fix those parts to insure the compiler is doing exactly what you what. And if you are a software house using it internally, you don't even need to release the source, even tho it would probably be better to do so to get the added benefit of sharing the devel and debug costs with the world. Of course, we don't have the pretty little "Intel" logo to insure that you know nothing about how the compiler works. Sorry, my $.02
Thanks for the explaination, but I do take offense to the comment:
Linux advocates must, must, must move away from thinking "if it can't be done with Linux, it must not be worth doing" towards "how, both technically and politically, can we get Linux to do this thing as well as Windows does and do so at least as easily as Windows does." Otherwise, Linux will be the sour-grapes alternative only.
Come on, man. I never said anything like that. I said I didn't understand what Flash and sw was needed for in a publishers web-site. No, I haven't used Flash or Shockwave. I have only visited sites that use it intensively once, in my pre-Linux days, and It took forever to load on a dial-up. I could say more about why it isn't a good idea to use, but I don't want a flame war, I don't want to fight. Use Windows. I don't care. I really don't. But I won't be. I think the point here is that we, as a community, feel proud when our software that we've worked on gets used to help out an impoverished school, or whatever. Thats why we get excited about news like this. We created the software to be useful, _if_, and a big _if_, it can be useful to you. Otherwise, we are not a business, I write software for myself mainly, for education and for functionality. If someone else finds a use for it, great. We NEVER said that We were trying to kill Windows. Some of the community did, but that ISN'T all of us. The most vocal are the minority.
Besides, the story is about a poor school, with 486's and P 75's. I really doubt a Flash site would run well on it anyway.
Please hear me out, as I could very well be wrong. I just want to know exactly what for and why you _need_ to use Flash, and Shockwave for. I mean, you work for a publisher. Why does a educational publisher need flashy web graphics? Really, I'm not being elitist. I am merely curious.
Fact is, many times, once you stop and evaluate what you need to do and how you are doing it, often times you will find that you're overkilling it. No bad feelings to you, just asking.
I never knew there was more to it. what tuning can you do that would be useful in a workstation? I'm sorry if I sound stupid, but I am _really_ interested. As relative newbie (I've only been using for a year), anything I can learn, the better.
Unfortunately the world is run by C (Not the code, the grade) students.
Not to nitpick, but a C grade does mean average. Personally, I wish our law-makers were of the higher caliber portion of our population, but elections, on any level, are nothing more than popularity contests. Not to say that a PhD would necesarily make a good law-maker, but the fact is our early leaders were self-educated, brilliant men. Sad to see the caliber of our lawmakers being so low.Although they wouldn't have if it HAD been encrypted. I've already converted to ps for some guy here, if he wants it, although pdf is quite a bit smaller than ps....lemme see,
ls -l Docs/help/Linuxfaq.*
-rw-r--r-- 1 chris users 279663 Jul 28 07:51 Docs/help/Linuxfaq.pdf
-rw-r--r-- 1 chris users 3167720 Jul 28 08:09 Docs/help/Linuxfaq.ps
I don't. the gs/gv packages from Slackware render it fine, and then there's xpdf if you don't like gv. If you really want, I just converted it just for you into Postscript using pdf2ps utility. Gimme yr email, or send an email to cpungent@linuxplanet.nu, and I'll send it to you.
Make sure you have ghostscript and ghostview installed, and there is some package to allow pdf viewing in X11, I can't remember which. I use Slackware, and I was having problems, until I realized I didn't install all the required programs. Make sure you have all the packages for your distro, and Konqi should do it, it opened the pdf for me.