Then what is the value of the word "cyborg"? It contributes nothing of value. All humans almost ever would be cyborgs, whether they're throwing stones and lighting fires or have computers between their senses and the outside world.
Enough with this myth. The literal interpretation of the ancient Middle Eastern texts demonstrates that you can't take them literally and consistently at the same time because the Genesis chapter 1 contradicts Genesis chapter 2, and when linguistically competent "bible-believers" are pushed hard enough on this, they admit that they're belief is not based on the text, but on presuppositions about what the text says.
(The specific contradiction is that in Genesis chapter 1, creation goes birds first (on day 5), then humans (male and female) on day 6. In Genesis chapter 2, creation goes male human first, then birds are created, then female human. There are other contradictions that, with skill and agility, can be argued against; but this one can only be denied by denying the plain words of the text.)
In other words, it's not the ancients who were fools, it's the moderns.
In the beginning, everyone walked about on foot. People liked it; most stuff you needed was close enough, and if it occasionally rained on you, well, you needed to sleep more often, so what if you can't do everything all of the time.
Someone invented the train and it was well regarded; now even common people could travel far.
Then one day some reckless person thought of putting a train engine on a waggon and getting around without horses or tracks. It didn't appeal to most people; it was too expensive and didn't solve any real problems most people had. Plus it was dangerous and killed people. Some even more reckless person developed a way to make them cheap enough lots of people could afford them, but they were still dangerous and didn't really solve any real problem, so only avant gard people bothered to buy them.
[This is where Internet of Things is up to.]
So the most dangerous group of people—marketeerscame up with an evil plan to take over the world. They'd convince everyone that people who walked across streets without looking were backwards, and they'd mock memorials of children who idiot car drivers killed. They'd also make them a status symbol; girls wouldn't go for guys who walked, they were far too pedestrian!
Eventually the world became a completely different place because these people convinced us we wanted something that wasn't helpful—in fact, nowadays it takes people longer to get places with cars than it took to get there before cars—and kills people both directly (through, ahem, direct hits), indirectly (via side-swipes), via the pollution that the poor sods breathe in, and probably through climatatological effects.
[This is where Beta is up to. Slashdot destroyed a perfectly good letter of the internet, and all for what?]
What's wrong with PRIMARY? There's an increasing number of foreign programs on X these days like that abomination known as Chrome (JetBrains PhpStorm also causes me pain), but everything vaguely integrated just works. It's been years since I had a problem with Firefox or Gtk, Qt/KDE or old-school toolkit apps.
The European design wastes a lot less petrol than the American design, because you can get around and do a lot without even getting into the car. It is a local inefficiency as a trade-off for a higher-level efficiency. In America, you want to buy milk? You have to move a ton of steel around at homicidal speeds. In Europe, you want to buy milk? You walk for the same amount of time—or less—and you buy it from the shops.
"Town planning fail" happens when you think that the car is an important and necessary part of modern life. It's not. It's useful that some people have cars; but to think it should be convenient for everyone to drive most of the time is foolishness.
Actually, the claim that the original manuscripts are inerrant is generally made by unreasonable Christians like YEC. More reasonable Christians realise that there probably isn't really such a thing as "original manuscripts"—at least not one that's easily conceived of—for many of the books in the Bible, so there's nothing "original" that can be inerrant in this sense.
In fact, generally the term "inerrant" is used to separate the wheat from the chaff. The traditional view of scripture is that it is that the process of reception and transmission is as inspired as the original writing—and therefore we can see (in real time by comparing manuscripts) that God doesn't care about the precise words and all the gnarly points, so the word "inerrant" is inapplicable.
That view has been lost to some extent in the protestant West, especially in America; but it is returning particularly in communities were a great many people had previously lost trust in the Bible but kept it because it was a part of their tradition, but also amongst evangelicals who realise that the scientific evidence for evolution is so strong that Genesis 1 and 2 can't possibly mean that.
Imagine meeting someone who can walk you through an argument that their god is mad at us because we don't practice racially-based slavery any more!
!
(From what I remember, it has something to do with how caucasians are the lost tribe of Isreal [insert scriptual evidence I never cared enough to memorize here] and because some guy got smashed drunk once in a tent and passed out without any clothes on.)
!!
I don't know what "the FSM" is. But the solution? I doubt there is one. But really you just have me speechless. It's very easy to use the bible to reaffirm what you already believe, because it has lots of words in it and because it's easy to care about what it says. But what you've said... it's one of those cases where I'm not sure if you're making a comparison to people who don't exist any more, or if you're attributing these views to them!
Lol, the only evidence for young earth/old earth creationism is a certain tradition of biblical interpretation; the bible itself makes it look extremely unlikely that it's teaching young earth/old earth creationism. The bible only teaches that God created, but to read it as saying how and when is inept and demonstrates a complete failure of basic Biblical Hebrew and reading comprehension skills.
Would people who think x or y or z is immoral be able to buy health insurance without x or y or z for their employees and forgo the tax break? Because that would really resolve any problem—if the employer is concerned that anyone wouldn't buy insurance who really does need it, they would be covered. (Sure they wouldn't get the tax break, but why would anyone who uses the Gospel as a guide to life actually want to take advantage of it? Worse to have the money than to pay tax.)
The limitation should happen right up front. No-one should be required to buy private health insurance; it should be government provided like in every civilised country. I went to emergency on Christmas morning (in an English speaking country with private health insurance and private hospitals), and there was no bureaucracy to deal with (well, they asked for id, but I didn't have any. No problem, they just treated me, because I'm "covered" because I live in a civilised country). I didn't sign anything and I didn't get any bills for my Christmas morning mishap.
The American plan was doomed to fail from the get go. In fact, it was designed to fail from the get go. But everyone knew that, and still they let themselves be dictated to.
If you're capable of keeping someone alive and everyone else safe for fifteen years on death row, why bother killing them *then*? You've demonstrated they're no threat to anyone else for that time.
Surely for most of history one of the biggest limitations to "creative output" was the fact that people needed to eat. Particularly in villages (i.e. poorer areas) you didn't necessarily have the resources for great artistic displays—unless, at least, they were popular enough everyone could benefit.
And a significant one would also have been that we just don't highly regard a lot of creative output, because it was done within a theme we would regard as too constrained to be interesting (e.g. English parish churches were decorated by the parish). But just the same, I think a lot of contemporary artistic output is disregarded as uninteresting in even a very short while (i.e. people's lifetimes—think about popular music, the way people laugh at someone for listening to a lot of music from five years ago).
We're already getting "our fair share of the world's resources"—and then some. Haven't you noticed that we are killing the world we depend on for life?
What on earth is this kind of comment? It's like "America isn't a democracy, it's a republic". No, Spain and Sweden and the UK are democratic monarchies. They are both democracies and monarchies. The UK is not a theocracy; the church is governed by the the state, not the other way around.
If it's any consolation, in these parts Scandinavia and Sweden are typically used as positive examples, and I don't think it's occurred to most people to use them badly (altho I've seen the far-right examples on the internets).
Um, it's seriously easy to make booze. You get a bunch of fruit, juice it, make bread, and then ignore the juice for a couple of weeks. What, it's illegal to have food go off now? It's impossible to prohibit that.
How do you get meth or heroin? Heroin comes from specific plants, but you don't just eat the plants whole, and even if you did many countries ban all sorts of plants; here, Scottish Thistle can't be planted; a hundred kilometres over, it must be removed.
The fact that prohibition failed in the case of alcohol is not evidence that prohibition is impossible. The fact that prohibition of meth is incomplete is also not evidence that we shouldn't try it, any more than the prohibition of rape is incomplete means we shouldn't try.
No it's not. "Province" in the context of China has a similar meaning to Canada; it's an integral part of the country. When China calls Taiwan a province, they don't mean they're a colony, they mean they're the same as Beijing and Guangzhou.
It's more like if Yorkshire had its own currency and government.
There are still parts of Mongolia under Chinese control, and Mongolian is still an official language of Chinese. The Mongols from Inner Mongolia are indeed considered Chinese — just not Han. Of course, we're not so big on that distinction in the west.
Here here! I'm sick of hearing "ooh, constitution", "ooh, will of the people", "ooh, rights" as if these make a difference. Might makes right, and anything else just being polite. "Will of the people" is no different today than it is under kings and caesars and autocrats: if the people don't like you, they'll try and kill you. The government will govern as selfishly as they can while still making that unlikely.
The medieval serf had a much better excuse than "information brokers" and "gatekeepers": stomachs. The "information brokers and gatekeepers" as you call it were following the best science available at the time. They didn't have as much prosperity to allow the luxury of huge numbers (in absolute terms) of researchers and teachers. This meant that the gatekeepers and information brokers didn't have enough time to find out what was wrong with their techniques to make them better—and, by the time they did, then they did and we changed and that's how come the west became modern.
Today's much worse. Conspiracy theories are common knowledge. People who think they're wise generally believe huge numbers of early modern era myths, particularly about how people think and act, and this makes it even harder to correct. And the arrogance of our age is without comparison.
So you're right, future generations will consider as a dark age greater than the medieval period, but you're wrong, it's much much worse than you think.
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A lot of science has no patentable outcomes even in principle. Science is finding out how things work, not making things work. Consequently, you missed a possibility:
Think of an idea, see if that idea works, if it doesn't run a different statistical test and see if you get a p 0.05. If after two or three tries you haven't, keep adding subjects/test cases until you find p 0.05. It shouldn't take more than about twenty tests to get the desired outcome. Once that's done, omit most of the details and publish the result. Proceed to get ignored by most of the world; but don't worry, if you had've done it properly in the first place you would've been ignored too.
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Then what is the value of the word "cyborg"? It contributes nothing of value. All humans almost ever would be cyborgs, whether they're throwing stones and lighting fires or have computers between their senses and the outside world.
Enough with this myth. The literal interpretation of the ancient Middle Eastern texts demonstrates that you can't take them literally and consistently at the same time because the Genesis chapter 1 contradicts Genesis chapter 2, and when linguistically competent "bible-believers" are pushed hard enough on this, they admit that they're belief is not based on the text, but on presuppositions about what the text says.
(The specific contradiction is that in Genesis chapter 1, creation goes birds first (on day 5), then humans (male and female) on day 6. In Genesis chapter 2, creation goes male human first, then birds are created, then female human. There are other contradictions that, with skill and agility, can be argued against; but this one can only be denied by denying the plain words of the text.)
In other words, it's not the ancients who were fools, it's the moderns.
In the beginning, everyone walked about on foot. People liked it; most stuff you needed was close enough, and if it occasionally rained on you, well, you needed to sleep more often, so what if you can't do everything all of the time.
Someone invented the train and it was well regarded; now even common people could travel far.
Then one day some reckless person thought of putting a train engine on a waggon and getting around without horses or tracks. It didn't appeal to most people; it was too expensive and didn't solve any real problems most people had. Plus it was dangerous and killed people. Some even more reckless person developed a way to make them cheap enough lots of people could afford them, but they were still dangerous and didn't really solve any real problem, so only avant gard people bothered to buy them.
[This is where Internet of Things is up to.]
So the most dangerous group of people—marketeerscame up with an evil plan to take over the world. They'd convince everyone that people who walked across streets without looking were backwards, and they'd mock memorials of children who idiot car drivers killed. They'd also make them a status symbol; girls wouldn't go for guys who walked, they were far too pedestrian!
Eventually the world became a completely different place because these people convinced us we wanted something that wasn't helpful—in fact, nowadays it takes people longer to get places with cars than it took to get there before cars—and kills people both directly (through, ahem, direct hits), indirectly (via side-swipes), via the pollution that the poor sods breathe in, and probably through climatatological effects.
[This is where Beta is up to. Slashdot destroyed a perfectly good letter of the internet, and all for what?]
Fuck beta and all that, but if you were God, wouldn't you protect yourself from acts of churches?
What's wrong with PRIMARY? There's an increasing number of foreign programs on X these days like that abomination known as Chrome (JetBrains PhpStorm also causes me pain), but everything vaguely integrated just works. It's been years since I had a problem with Firefox or Gtk, Qt/KDE or old-school toolkit apps.
The European design wastes a lot less petrol than the American design, because you can get around and do a lot without even getting into the car. It is a local inefficiency as a trade-off for a higher-level efficiency. In America, you want to buy milk? You have to move a ton of steel around at homicidal speeds. In Europe, you want to buy milk? You walk for the same amount of time—or less—and you buy it from the shops.
"Town planning fail" happens when you think that the car is an important and necessary part of modern life. It's not. It's useful that some people have cars; but to think it should be convenient for everyone to drive most of the time is foolishness.
Actually, the claim that the original manuscripts are inerrant is generally made by unreasonable Christians like YEC. More reasonable Christians realise that there probably isn't really such a thing as "original manuscripts"—at least not one that's easily conceived of—for many of the books in the Bible, so there's nothing "original" that can be inerrant in this sense.
In fact, generally the term "inerrant" is used to separate the wheat from the chaff. The traditional view of scripture is that it is that the process of reception and transmission is as inspired as the original writing—and therefore we can see (in real time by comparing manuscripts) that God doesn't care about the precise words and all the gnarly points, so the word "inerrant" is inapplicable.
That view has been lost to some extent in the protestant West, especially in America; but it is returning particularly in communities were a great many people had previously lost trust in the Bible but kept it because it was a part of their tradition, but also amongst evangelicals who realise that the scientific evidence for evolution is so strong that Genesis 1 and 2 can't possibly mean that.
Imagine meeting someone who can walk you through an argument that their god is mad at us because we don't practice racially-based slavery any more!
!
(From what I remember, it has something to do with how caucasians are the lost tribe of Isreal [insert scriptual evidence I never cared enough to memorize here] and because some guy got smashed drunk once in a tent and passed out without any clothes on.)
!!
I don't know what "the FSM" is. But the solution? I doubt there is one. But really you just have me speechless. It's very easy to use the bible to reaffirm what you already believe, because it has lots of words in it and because it's easy to care about what it says. But what you've said ... it's one of those cases where I'm not sure if you're making a comparison to people who don't exist any more, or if you're attributing these views to them!
The real world is a strange place.
Lol, the only evidence for young earth/old earth creationism is a certain tradition of biblical interpretation; the bible itself makes it look extremely unlikely that it's teaching young earth/old earth creationism. The bible only teaches that God created, but to read it as saying how and when is inept and demonstrates a complete failure of basic Biblical Hebrew and reading comprehension skills.
Would people who think x or y or z is immoral be able to buy health insurance without x or y or z for their employees and forgo the tax break? Because that would really resolve any problem—if the employer is concerned that anyone wouldn't buy insurance who really does need it, they would be covered. (Sure they wouldn't get the tax break, but why would anyone who uses the Gospel as a guide to life actually want to take advantage of it? Worse to have the money than to pay tax.)
The limitation should happen right up front. No-one should be required to buy private health insurance; it should be government provided like in every civilised country. I went to emergency on Christmas morning (in an English speaking country with private health insurance and private hospitals), and there was no bureaucracy to deal with (well, they asked for id, but I didn't have any. No problem, they just treated me, because I'm "covered" because I live in a civilised country). I didn't sign anything and I didn't get any bills for my Christmas morning mishap.
The American plan was doomed to fail from the get go. In fact, it was designed to fail from the get go. But everyone knew that, and still they let themselves be dictated to.
Isn't killing "birds (and people)" the goal of a pesticide?
*ducks*
(And yes, I realise that my comment requires a misreading of the pp. But it's a joke.)
If you're capable of keeping someone alive and everyone else safe for fifteen years on death row, why bother killing them *then*? You've demonstrated they're no threat to anyone else for that time.
Surely for most of history one of the biggest limitations to "creative output" was the fact that people needed to eat. Particularly in villages (i.e. poorer areas) you didn't necessarily have the resources for great artistic displays—unless, at least, they were popular enough everyone could benefit.
And a significant one would also have been that we just don't highly regard a lot of creative output, because it was done within a theme we would regard as too constrained to be interesting (e.g. English parish churches were decorated by the parish). But just the same, I think a lot of contemporary artistic output is disregarded as uninteresting in even a very short while (i.e. people's lifetimes—think about popular music, the way people laugh at someone for listening to a lot of music from five years ago).
We're already getting "our fair share of the world's resources"—and then some. Haven't you noticed that we are killing the world we depend on for life?
Not to mention the kings George I, II & III!
What on earth is this kind of comment? It's like "America isn't a democracy, it's a republic". No, Spain and Sweden and the UK are democratic monarchies. They are both democracies and monarchies. The UK is not a theocracy; the church is governed by the the state, not the other way around.
If you vote, you don't get what you want. If you don't vote, you don't get what you want—but you haven't wasted your time.
If it's any consolation, in these parts Scandinavia and Sweden are typically used as positive examples, and I don't think it's occurred to most people to use them badly (altho I've seen the far-right examples on the internets).
Um, it's seriously easy to make booze. You get a bunch of fruit, juice it, make bread, and then ignore the juice for a couple of weeks. What, it's illegal to have food go off now? It's impossible to prohibit that.
How do you get meth or heroin? Heroin comes from specific plants, but you don't just eat the plants whole, and even if you did many countries ban all sorts of plants; here, Scottish Thistle can't be planted; a hundred kilometres over, it must be removed.
The fact that prohibition failed in the case of alcohol is not evidence that prohibition is impossible. The fact that prohibition of meth is incomplete is also not evidence that we shouldn't try it, any more than the prohibition of rape is incomplete means we shouldn't try.
No it's not. "Province" in the context of China has a similar meaning to Canada; it's an integral part of the country. When China calls Taiwan a province, they don't mean they're a colony, they mean they're the same as Beijing and Guangzhou.
It's more like if Yorkshire had its own currency and government.
There are still parts of Mongolia under Chinese control, and Mongolian is still an official language of Chinese. The Mongols from Inner Mongolia are indeed considered Chinese — just not Han. Of course, we're not so big on that distinction in the west.
Here here! I'm sick of hearing "ooh, constitution", "ooh, will of the people", "ooh, rights" as if these make a difference. Might makes right, and anything else just being polite. "Will of the people" is no different today than it is under kings and caesars and autocrats: if the people don't like you, they'll try and kill you. The government will govern as selfishly as they can while still making that unlikely.
The medieval serf had a much better excuse than "information brokers" and "gatekeepers": stomachs. The "information brokers and gatekeepers" as you call it were following the best science available at the time. They didn't have as much prosperity to allow the luxury of huge numbers (in absolute terms) of researchers and teachers. This meant that the gatekeepers and information brokers didn't have enough time to find out what was wrong with their techniques to make them better—and, by the time they did, then they did and we changed and that's how come the west became modern.
Today's much worse. Conspiracy theories are common knowledge. People who think they're wise generally believe huge numbers of early modern era myths, particularly about how people think and act, and this makes it even harder to correct. And the arrogance of our age is without comparison.
So you're right, future generations will consider as a dark age greater than the medieval period, but you're wrong, it's much much worse than you think.
A lot of science has no patentable outcomes even in principle. Science is finding out how things work, not making things work. Consequently, you missed a possibility:
Think of an idea, see if that idea works, if it doesn't run a different statistical test and see if you get a p 0.05. If after two or three tries you haven't, keep adding subjects/test cases until you find p 0.05. It shouldn't take more than about twenty tests to get the desired outcome. Once that's done, omit most of the details and publish the result. Proceed to get ignored by most of the world; but don't worry, if you had've done it properly in the first place you would've been ignored too.