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China Rejects 545,000 Tons of US Genetically Modified Corn

hawkinspeter writes "The BBC is reporting that China has rejected 545,000 tons of U.S. corn that was found to contain an unapproved genetically modified strain. Although China doesn't have a problem per se with GM crops (they've been importing GM soybeans since 1997) — but their product safety agency found MIR162 in 12 batches of corn. 'The safety evaluation process [for MIR162] has not been completed and no imports are allowed at the moment before the safety certificate is issued,' said Nui Din, China's vice agricultural minister. The Chinese are now calling on U.S. authorities to tighten their controls to prevent unapproved strains from being sent to China after the first batch of corn was rejected in November due to MIR162."

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  1. Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Gothmolly · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Since GM crops are already shown to jump to other fields, it's hardly surprising. And hardly the only time this has happened. This is just another friendly FU, like the "near collision" in the sea off China, to remind the US that China holds all the cards.

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    1. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by tomhath · · Score: 3, Interesting
      No reason to believe this was cross-pollination. Virtually all corn raised in the US is grown from hybrid seed which is controlled and tested. But farmers can bring whatever they have to a grain elevator and say it isn't such and such variety.

      Not sure how the South China Sea incident relates to this, the US ship continued following the Chinese aircraft carrier.

    2. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If some SciFi writer were to write a novel about the destruction of the natural food supply replacing it would GM foods they probably couldn't publish it due to convicts with Monsanto IP.

    3. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Informative

      In this case, it isn't really so much about "keeping the genie in the bottle," since they're quite alright with the genie in general. This is just about double-checking safety of a product and one country's industries not doing enough to respect another country's approval process by keeping the supply-chain neatly segregated.

      Of course, the irony is that this sort of story usually happens the other way with China. e.g. Honey containing traces of pesticides of antibiotics approved for general use in China but not approved in the US.

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    4. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That sounds like "The Calorie Man", by Paolo Bacigalupi.

      http://www.nightshadebooks.com/Downloads/WindupStories.pdf

    5. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by NMBob · · Score: 1

      If GM products are so "safe" (as some feel) why do they need to be safety tested? Just curious.

    6. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      some GMO crops have failed safety testing in Europe

      makes you wonder eh

    7. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      China holds all the cards

      Not all the cards. China is - in some ways - like the uncontrolled and empowering Germany of the early XXth. They're the young new world superpower which doesn't have a superpower-history long enough to feel how dangerous it can be to lack diplomacy and look for trouble every other week. That obnoxious behavior is particularly strong and obvious since a couple of years ago - which is worrying. China is powerful thanks to its economic and commercial ties with most of the rest of the world. Unless there is an international comercial/economic consensus to return China to reason, China will keep growing until it is out of reach.

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    8. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A more interesting question might be why aren't agricultural products produced by other techniques being tested. Is there any evidence that other techniques are "safer"?

    9. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Deluvianvortex · · Score: 4, Informative

      All food is safety tested. Don't try to single out GMO's here.

    10. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by jklovanc · · Score: 2

      Citation needed. I haven't found any specific strains rejected as not being safe.
      On the other hand.

    11. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      of the early XXth.

      XXth??? Seriously?

    12. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Luckyo · · Score: 0, Troll

      Not sure if troll or ignorant. Chinese empire is the oldest one on earth by far. No other civilization in our history survived as long as theirs.

    13. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by bondsbw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The China of today is nothing like the China of old. It's really not much like the China of 10 or 20 years ago.

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    14. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not sure if troll or ignorant. Chinese empire is the oldest one on earth by far. No other civilization in our history survived as long as theirs.

      The current Chinese "empire" is only about 60 years old. It replaced the one before that in the Communist revolution, which in turn replaced the dynastic empire of ancient China 40 years before that. The current government has about as much connection to that ancient empire as modern day Egypt does to the pyramid builders, so if we're defining civilizations simply by their geography and demographics, the Egyptian civilization is actually older than the Chinese one by a thousand years or so.

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    15. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by kwbauer · · Score: 2

      And the China today is simply an extension of the Ming dynasty, right?

      Civilization may have existed in China for that long, but it has not been a continuous civilization in the sense you are portraying and not even close to a continuous empire.

    16. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 2

      Because even conventionally grown foods aren't "safe", such as potatoes that contain solanine and apple seeds that contain cyanide. Conventionally grown foods are subject to random mutation and yet are not checked for safety, yet genetically modified foods that we know precisely how they are modified are tested because genetics = scary.

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    17. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      1949 wasn't so long ago.

    18. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Civilization may have existed in China for that long, but it has not been a continuous civilization in the sense you are portraying and not even close to a continuous empire.

      No, it's pretty continuous. Who the government is ruling over the Chinese civilization changes hands, but the civilization being ruled, namely the civilization of Han Chinese, endured.

      In several instances, the non-Han rulers end up adopting or be integrated into Han/Chinese culture

    19. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They test non GM products as well. Generally anything that deviates from known safe products in any way tends to have to be reauthorized. What I don't understand is why there hasn't been a global UN backed safety standard that defines what's safe based upon standard testing that can be used as an equal measure by all countries, kind of like the global signage initiative did.

    20. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Because we don't assume safety. Nothing stops you from making a GM crop that produces a poison toxic to humans (lots of non-GM plants already do after all) that of course doesn't mean that all GM products are unsafe.

    21. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Uh, the chinese *PEOPLE* and culture have been in continuous existence.

      Are you claiming the same thing for the pyramid builders in Egypt?

      So there was a period when nobody lived in Egypt?

    22. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by idunham · · Score: 1

      Those who say that genetically modified products are safe are not necessarily saying that all GMOs are safe.

      Genetic modification is a process which leads to a food with a different genetic profile than the original stock it came from.
      It's quite possible to introduce a toxin this way, or an allergen; it's also possible to increase production of a vitamin, or to make a change that has no effect on the food portion. And it may be possible to reproduce the genetic code of a different species (which is what most of the de-extinction efforts are trying.)
      And since it is a process, there is not necessarily any genetic or phenotypic characteristic in common between two GMOs.
      So the obvious answer is to test everything and approve what is found to be safe.

      Now, to finish the point, a genetically modified product has already been tested. Those who say that it is safe are not stating that it never should have been tested; they are saying that the testing was sufficient.

    23. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      The Olympics are coming soon.

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    24. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since GM crops are already shown to jump to other fields, it's hardly surprising. And hardly the only time this has happened. This is just another friendly FU, like the "near collision" in the sea off China, to remind the US that China holds all the cards.

      If China holds all the cards why must they buy food from the US? They can grow their own crap.

    25. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Those are great references. The first one gets the paper citation completely wrong, they probably mean http://ucbiotech.org/issues_pgl/ARTICLES/soil_sterilization/KlebsiellaHolmes1999.pdf - Different issue, different authors, different title - you know they put effort into fact checking!

      And of course cracked will run anything. Never mind that it was never approved for field testing - Ingham made that up (ok she claimed to have "received
      this information from third party sources and was mistaken about it").

    26. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by jklovanc · · Score: 2, Informative

      Both of which have nothing at all to do with GMO plants and whether or not they have been rejected by any country in Europe. The citations are about bacteria and not plants. Good information but wrong topic

    27. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by HiThere · · Score: 1

      The reason for singling out GMOs is that they can vary more wildly while being apparently the same species. I'm not saying it wouldn't be easy to breed a potatoe that was poisonous. (The wild variant of the potatoe was nearly poisonous, and even the modern potatoe has poisonous leaves. OTOH, the genetics of potatoes is quite complex, so that was a bad example. But it was the first that came to mind.)

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    28. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Not quite, but sort of. In many ways Mao Tse Tung was a "Chinese Emperor", even if not of the same dynasty. And the government now has a bit of the appearance of a Mandrinate. How true this is I'm not certain. Certainly changes are in process. Many of the changes have to do with speed of communication more than anything else, however. I wouldn't be surprised to see another Chinese Emperor emerge from the current Mandrinate, and he might be only a figure-head, as many Emperors have been before him.

      There's ideology, and then there's what the government does and how it acts. These are rarely closely aligned.

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    29. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Right. And that means they can refuse to accept food that doesn't meet their standards. If they were desperate, they couldn't afford to be so picky. (That's oversimplifying, though. It wouldn't be the people in the government that were starving. They'd just be in danger of being overthrown.)

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    30. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What was special about that year? Was that when they started using Mandarin for communicating? I know, that is when they came up with their music and other cultural artifacts?

      The Chinese speak the same language and read/write the same way for at least 2,000 years (ignoring some simplification of the language during Mao's time).

      Yes governments have changed hands (emperors to communists) but much of the people remain unchanged.

      PS: Notice he said "civilization" not necessarily the government.

    31. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not get in on the government subsidized corn bonanza?

      They (like many nations) buy and sell on the international market. I'm sure you must know food is a very important US export?

    32. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by ttucker · · Score: 1

      You can use bold and italic in Slashdot. Try to keep your trolling classy.

    33. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      In other news, rye can naturally develop ergot. And if you know how to do it, you can make silohooch from in your silo in the fall.

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    34. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The was no single "Chinese Empire". The guys at the top changed quite often and there are several distinct periods there. And at no point in them were they very good at diplomacy. Diplomacy typically develops in a situation like medieval Europe, where everyone is equally strong and vicious, and the king NEEDS to have allies to conquer and survive conquest. China was besides Korea, basically a vassal to China for most of it's existence (queue angry Koreans denying this), and Japan, which it had a kinda distant relationship with. They were good for getting tribute, but there wasn't much diplomacy really going on. Oh, then Russia. But who couldn't push pre-Soviet Russia around as they pleased?

      Anyway, the Chinese empires were never superpowers any more than Rome was a superpower, unless you just really want to distort the definition to get what you want.

    35. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      There is a single continous Chinese (specifically Han) culture however. Parents argument was that "chinese are new to diplomacy". As far as we are concerned, current chinese culture practiced diplomacy about ten times longer than white colonists lived on American continent.

    36. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would a Wookiee, an 8-foot-tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of 2-foot-tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests!

    37. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you believe majority of US citizens are decedents of Native Americans.

    38. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 1

      Don't discount the very real possibility of this being done for some political purpose too. You think the Chinese government gives a damn about the virtually non-existent safety hazard here when they are letting the Chinese people be poisoned by very real things like pollution? Fat chance. Ah, but this is FOREIGN corn for people to focus on, those damn Americans are trying to sell something that might be dangerous. This, like a lot of things related to genetically engineered crops, is being driven by politics, not science.

    39. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by furbyhater · · Score: 1

      Are you a biologist with a specialization in system ecology? And even then, it's impossible to predict the total short-, mid- and longterm effect of a genetic modification/combination. Non-GMO organsims have been tested for safety for 1000 of years in the biggest lab know to man: the planet earth itself. GMO organisms must carry a huge benefit to make me even consider them as a wise choice.

    40. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by furbyhater · · Score: 1

      Are you somehow confusing Germany with the US?

    41. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Pigeon451 · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. China is evolving at a staggering rate. Anyone who has been there in the past couple years will be amazed. Still lots of work to do (human rights, etc.) but they will all come in time also.

    42. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      They're the young new world superpower which doesn't have a superpower-history long enough to feel how dangerous it can be to lack diplomacy and look for trouble every other week.

      Are you serious? Chinese have mastered the diplomatic game better than most others.

    43. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The irony is that people who consider themselves critical thinkers are buying this story wholesale. It's more likely that they just decided they didn't want this corn for some reason, and they found an opportunity to bad-mouth us in the process.

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    44. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      What would warrant the extra caution for a GMO plant that contains one extra, well known gene that has been safety tested to regulatory satisfaction over and beyond the same plant that lacks that gene but is still subject to the same evolutionary selection pressures and random mutations? Obviously they do seem to carry huge benefit to someone (farmers), or they wouldn't be priced higher yet still purchased.

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    45. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Sorry, you're wrong. Your view on this is far too superficial. Governments may rise and fall. The Chinese culture, that which defines every individual in China, including its current leaders, has remained.

      It doesn't mean the culture hasn't changed since the fall of the Qing. But cultural changes are slow, and only the parts that benefit remain (or the culture fails as a whole). There are cultural elements kept in pristine form from 3000 years ago during the Spring and Autumn period.

      Only the Jews have a longer cultural history.

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    46. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      How is it trolling to point out there are various definitions for the word "chinese" and when people say chinese empire, it doesn't necessarily mean a king or a series of kings?

    47. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      If you bother to keep up with the news, you'll find that there are serious claims that the people and culture in Egypt today are not the direct descendants of the ancient pyramid builders.

    48. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nor is China like Germany in the early twentieth century.

    49. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by ttucker · · Score: 1

      Come to a conversation about the present state of China being a new global super power, start talking about being ethnically Chinese. Use caps and abrasive punctuation. Troll.

    50. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Evolution is extremely slow and has a proven record of not making common foods inedible for humans. Companies doing GM for profit make big changes rapidly by transplanting genes that would never normally transfer between species that way from animals we don't normally eat.

      It is right that we check new GM foods. Science != always trust it immediately and unquestioningly.

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    51. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by Fuzzums · · Score: 1

      You mean a bit like america that invades a country here and a country there and justify that by thinking it's morally superior?
      That obnoxious behavior is particularly strong and obvious for many years now - which is worrying.

      I don't see that many differences.

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    52. Re:Good luck keeping the genie in the bottle by IndieVoter · · Score: 1

      Thats right. Conspiracy by Monsanto, the GOP, and Fox News!. So what if tens of millions of people in south Asia are alive because of GM strains of rice and maize. I WANT THE WORLD MY WAY!!

  2. Where is the news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Isn't this just things working as they should?

    1. Re:Where is the news? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Usually the seller know that the country will not accept the product before they have processed and shipped the product.

      Also depending on your views of GM Foods, either china is rejecting food that will feed a lot of people, due to some politics. Or China saving its people from the US Sending China Poison food.

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    2. Re:Where is the news? by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Isn't this just things working as they should?

      I think if things were working as they should, the unapproved corn wouldn't have made it all the way to China before it was rejected. China makes headlines for sending tainted food to the USA, so the USA should make headlines for sending tainted food to China.

    3. Re:Where is the news? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Exactly THAT is the news.

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    4. Re:Where is the news? by toejam13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Given that the United States just arrested three Chinese nationals over alleged theft of GM corn, it appears that they do not have an issue with GMOs.

      In fact, I suspect that this shipment refusal may be retribution for the arrests.

    5. Re:Where is the news? by tylikcat · · Score: 1

      The not I'm not seeing mentioned is how soon this is after they rejected shellfish from the entire US west coast - again, a not entirely uncalled for, but unusual move.

      I'm not sure if this is more in response to internal unease about their own food quality problems, or a more general snub of the US - admittedly, these things are hardly exclusive.

    6. Re:Where is the news? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      No, I'd say its more dependant on your reading comprehension of the summary. They have a regulartory system that approves specific mutations. They accept others, but have not finished certification of this one.

      Its the most sensible way of dealing with GMO's, IMHO. Not a complete ban, but approval after testing for safety.

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    7. Re:Where is the news? by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Isn't this just things working as they should?

      When things work the way they should it's because the Chinese gummint wants to leverage something. It could be they genuinely don't want GM produce, but considering the way they are destroying and polluting their own environment wholesale, I figure they're totally good with the GM produce, but want to extract a concession somewhere, like the US opening markets to paint-thinned milk.

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    8. Re:Where is the news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is an undercover sting operation...to get arrested for that you needed to commit a crime...which he did...being political connected in China won't help him in the US Court of Law!

    9. Re:Where is the news? by schlachter · · Score: 3, Informative

      Article says they don't have an issue with GMOs.
      They have an issue with unapproved GMOs.
      Seems pretty reasonable. Even if politics are at play.

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    10. Re:Where is the news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the US rejects Chinese food products, it's usually due to high levels of heavy metals and real poisons. When China rejects US food products, it's due to pseudo-scientific fear of "frankenfoods" which have zero evidence of human health risks. It's not the same thing. Only one is "tainted".

      Wait a minute... What scientific evidence do you have for NOT buying my software? I mean, you need to come up with something really good now or shut up and give me money. Is that how a free market should work? Because it sounds like what you are proposing. If China doesn't want to buy this specific corn, maybe it should be sold to someone who wants to buy it?

    11. Re:Where is the news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a tech site this is rather 'bland' 'tech' news. More along the lines of reading a boring back page of some newspaper of the fact a shipment didnt going according to plan. This is just some boring trade shipping issue...

      I would go as far as to say it is click bait.

    12. Re:Where is the news? by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      You are replying to something that was not stated. Your parent post was pointing out the difference between tainted as in proven harmful and "tainted" as in scaremongering. The article and the rest of the discussion (at least this portion) is about the validity of the argument against GM foods.

      Making up some BS about somebody having to buy every product for sale somewhere on earth unless they can prove it harmful in some way pretty much proves that you have no actual argument against GM foods other than you don't like them because they are scary to you.

    13. Re:Where is the news? by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      Yep, GM food is destroying and polluting the environment. So is fertilizing with anything other than letting the cows eat half your crop so they can fertilize it for you.

    14. Re:Where is the news? by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      It's misinformation and scare words like "tainted" that help fuel the anti-GMO propaganda machine. Obviously, that machine is working pretty well.

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    15. Re:Where is the news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When your sig is longer than your post, you're doing something wrong.

    16. Re:Where is the news? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      FWIW, cows prefer to eat foods that people can't digest. (Except for things like apples, and even those aren't particularly good for cows.) Cows do quite well on grass and alfalfa, and CAN even live for awhile on a mixture of partially sawdust. Clover tends to be too rich for them. (OTOH, they do like a bit of molasses added to their fodder. It helps keep them quiet while you are milking. But don't add too much, or you'll have a sick cow.)

      Cows are not horses. Horses compete much more with humans for food. Horses prefer grain. Cows do better with grass and hay.

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    17. Re:Where is the news? by hawguy · · Score: 1

      When the US rejects Chinese food products, it's usually due to high levels of heavy metals and real poisons. When China rejects US food products, it's due to pseudo-scientific fear of "frankenfoods" which have zero evidence of human health risks. It's not the same thing. Only one is "tainted".

      If you place an order for a million red gummi bears, and you find out that when you receive the order that 10% of them are blue gummi bears, it's still correct to say that the blue ones are "tainting" the order, even if they are generally equivalent and perfectly safe to eat.

      China is not anti-GMO, but they have an approved list of GMO crops they will accept. If the USA supplier can't do a simple thing like keep track of which GMO variants they are supplying, what other quality control problems do they have?

    18. Re:Where is the news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China actually does ship us poisoned food, not the other way around. All this is just a political power play. China will ship us all the melamine enriched wheat gluten to fake the protein counts they want, but we ship them harmless GM crops they get their panties in a bunch. It just shows that the USA is now China's bitch. They put poison in our foods, but make up reasons to reject ours to simply just to fuck over our farmers.

    19. Re:Where is the news? by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 1

      That's also part of the reason GE crops are so convenient for international issues. If you have a political issue with a shipment of a crop, there's not a lot you can do about it without outright making something up or being very obvious the issue is political. It would not be possible to do this with less regulated and less controversial methods of crop improvement (for example, if you don't want to eat peanuts with non-peanut genes for nematode resistance that were brought in without the direct use of genetic engineering, too bad for you), but with GE crops, you can just say you take issue with the genetic engineering, and then boom, you've got a plausible reason to reject whatever you want. Genetic engineering is a convenient pawn in international trade relations. As usual though, science takes the backseat.

    20. Re:Where is the news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you let us know which company you bought a contaminated product from? I can easily flip this over to say US companies import products from china and do a minimal QA. Everyone wants to point the finger to China. I am not saying they are innocent, but a Chinese export is a US import and i'd bet the chinese would LOVE to cut out the middle men and sell directly to the US consumer. When you import from a country like China knowing its problems shouldn't you do better QA on the products?

      Also, just because you say its harmless doesn't really matter because you are not the buyer of the product.

    21. Re:Where is the news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing the US "gummint" doesn't use similar tactics, right?

      As for your "tainted" products angle, lets look at "lead painted toys" for an example
      According to the wiki article i dont see a single Chinese company listed:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_export_recalls
      So if you want to get technical, some US company sold you tainted products they bought from China (Potentially without knowing) but what QA/Testing did they do before they sold it to you?

    22. Re:Where is the news? by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1
      Not sure what either of those articles has to do with the safety of food, other than "omg genetics". Are these bacteria on the market as a food product? I find their conclusion that the bacteria would kill off ALL terrestrial plant life to be pretty tenuous too.

      Oh, look. It was. They apologized for it. And cited papers that don't exist.

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    23. Re:Where is the news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Search google for melamine protein China or toys lead china or china scandal food

      Some of these may not have made it outside of China but here is an interesting read
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8476080/Top-10-Chinese-Food-Scandals.html

    24. Re:Where is the news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems fair, your farmers fuck over a lot of poor people throughout the world. Poor people fuck over US farmers. Follow the rules yourself if you are expecting China to follow them

  3. Dennis Rodman just called by Markvs · · Score: 2

    The North Koreans will happily take it.

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    1. Re:Dennis Rodman just called by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw that. Let's just freaking keep it for people here in the States!

    2. Re:Dennis Rodman just called by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in your dreams north korea will take anything from usa

    3. Re:Dennis Rodman just called by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hope it gets past the FDA approval...

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    4. Re:Dennis Rodman just called by PPH · · Score: 2

      Yeah. Stop eating my motor vehicle fuel additives.

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    5. Re:Dennis Rodman just called by rubycodez · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Monsanto's frankenfood is approved by default.

      when your government is in the pockets of large corporations, legality is by fiat

    6. Re:Dennis Rodman just called by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The pinnacle of capitalism: When laws themselves are subject to the laws of supply and demand.

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    7. Re:Dennis Rodman just called by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      actually, that's a different system than capitalism. too bad we have it

    8. Re:Dennis Rodman just called by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, that's a different system than capitalism. too bad we have it

      Right, just like how all those are attempts at socialism are not "real" socialism. Too bad, but we'll get it right the next time!

    9. Re:Dennis Rodman just called by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Capitalism, like Communism, would be a great system. Too bad neither of them has ever been implemented correctly.

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    10. Re:Dennis Rodman just called by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 1

      If its approved by default, why do they spend millions testing it? Is it out of the goodness of their hearts? Why are they waiting for regulatory approval of their dicamba tolerant cotton & soy? Do they just care that much? You must have a lot more faith in them than I do.

      when your government is in the pockets of large corporations

      If that were in any way true, I think we'd have more than just seven species that are genetically engineered on the market sold by corporations. But keep on playing that conspiracy card & weasel words like 'frankenfood' in the absence of an actual point.

    11. Re:Dennis Rodman just called by citizenr · · Score: 1

      Hope it gets past the FDA approval...

      by the former Monstanto Executive :)

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    12. Re:Dennis Rodman just called by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      oh, communism has been done on small scale, in "communes"

      not sure any system scales to the size of a country though

    13. Re:Dennis Rodman just called by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      there is a "voluntary consultation" process that Monsanto has with the FDA, which takes 3rd party test data without question, the FDA does not create its own tests.

      To answer your question, the paltry few millions are spent to give appearance of safety testing.

    14. Re:Dennis Rodman just called by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Communism can work. As soon as people prefer working to being rich.

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    15. Re:Dennis Rodman just called by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      I see no proof in history that communism could even scale to the size of a town.

      in practice, people in communist countries work very hard to be in poverty.

  4. They reject our corn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    We should reject their 545,000 tons of smog.

    1. Re:They reject our corn? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      We could, but then again do you want to explain to some lowlife why he can't have his cheap electronic toy?

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    2. Re:They reject our corn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you and every country should, but no one does

    3. Re:They reject our corn? by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      Because we're not subsidizing 3D printers?

    4. Re:They reject our corn? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Are you nuts? People who can create their own crappy toys won't buy them!

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    5. Re:They reject our corn? by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      Give the import-exporters and shop keepers a basic income, and let them work on bug bounties if they want to keep busy, or take MOOCs, or volunteer, or ...

      Leisure time is the goal, technology can help us get there.

    6. Re:They reject our corn? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yeah, just like it worked for the content industry which instantly realized that their old business model is dead and instead of trying to fight tooth and nail for laws to prop up their failed model they adapted and reinvented themselves.

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    7. Re:They reject our corn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How American, to believe you are even entitled to deciding that countries must buy your export.

    8. Re:They reject our corn? by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      yes, let's make $1 crap toys with $10 worth of supplies on a 3D printer! we'll beat those damn chinamen !

  5. They'll take it soon however by tomhath · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "The safety evaluation process [for MIR162] has not been completed and no imports are allowed at the moment before the safety certificate is issued," said China's vice agricultural minister, Niu Dun.

    The Ministry of Agriculture has recently launched a publicity campaign to allay concerns over GM foods and says the criticisms are unfounded.

    Seems pretty fair to me. sloppy testing on the US end is all.

    1. Re:They'll take it soon however by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      MIR162 is a Syngenta product... the company is Swiss...

    2. Re:They'll take it soon however by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buuhuuuuu i said something bad about the great us of a so i had to get -1.

      Seriously, who exactly is responsible in this particular case? Who is supposed to know what they are sending? hmm, it's not the swiss since this stuff wasn't grown in switzerland and it was not sent by the swiss, it's not the germans, it's not japan nor russia. No, usa send the stuff, they should have known it contains material, that will not be accepted.

      Of course knowing china, there's a chance that the rules changed while the stuff was being shipped. In that case of course the blame goes to china.

  6. Didn't meet their standard... by Deimos24601 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparently the melamine powder content was too low...

    1. Re:Didn't meet their standard... by jasper160 · · Score: 1

      We also forgot to add arsenic, pesticides, and formaldehyde

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    2. Re:Didn't meet their standard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and don't forget the lead coating of the containers.....

    3. Re:Didn't meet their standard... by bob_super · · Score: 2

      Sprinkle with lead, and put for two hours at PM2.5 set to 1000.

      Once baked, package carefully for shipping in that nice Walmart box.

    4. Re:Didn't meet their standard... by GameMaster · · Score: 1

      Normally I'd agree with you about the melamine content being too low (and/or the bribes were too low). However, considering the public example they made of the guy responsible for the milk scandal (execution even though he was a wealthy, influential, individual) I have to say that unless the guys at the Ministry of Agriculture are incredibly stupid this is probably a legit complaint on their part.

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    5. Re:Didn't meet their standard... by some+old+guy · · Score: 2, Informative

      In China you don't get executed for screwing up. You get executed for embarrassing the Party.

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    6. Re: Didn't meet their standard... by apc512599 · · Score: 1

      In Communist China, the environment pollutes YOU.

  7. Re:"Hey, we'll take it," said Africa by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Are you going to build a house out of Corn?

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  8. Surprising given the high use of gutter fat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQXIds5_F50

  9. Egads! by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Funny

    Assuming that Chinese health authorities have their priorities straight, that must mean that eating US corn is more dangerous than breathing the air in Beijing. This is worrisome!

    1. Re:Egads! by TWiTfan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, the air in Beijing is thicker than corn anyway.

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    2. Re:Egads! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No it just means somebody forgot to bribe somebody and/or minor sabre rattling

      *yawn* next story

    3. Re:Egads! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming that Chinese health authorities have their priorities straight

      There's more than one guy in charge of health, so it's possible they have different goals and levels of competence.

    4. Re:Egads! by zlives · · Score: 1

      end world hunger now?!!

    5. Re:Egads! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real problem though, is that at least corn changes a little when it comes out, smog comes out just as bad as it went in!

    6. Re:Egads! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now if Chinese Engineers can just find a way to make the air edible, pollution problem solved.

  10. Here here by midifarm · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I hope that ALL GMO crops are banned worldwide, including the US.

    1. Re:Here here by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I can accept that you hope that, but I consider this foolish.

      OTOH...
      My chief beef against GMO foods is the way the patent laws are interpreted and enforced. I do think that Monsanto should be put out of business by fair means or foul...and if I thought banning GMO plants outright would to that, I might be in favor of it for THAT reason. It wouldn't, however, so I'm more in favor of requiring extensive safety testing. ... And of changing the laws so that the descendants of a plant belong to the farmer that grew them.

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    2. Re:Here here by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      I guess you don't like eating then. Without GMO most of the world will starve.

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  11. Sell Monsanto NOW... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On a serious note... If a TPP nation were to try such a thing, Monsanto (or whoever) would be able to sue the government in an international tribunal.

  12. Re:This is despicable and indecent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where does it say they threw it away? They rejected the first of a series of shipments. It just means the ship will need to unload somewhere else.

  13. china by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are also reluctant to permit supermarkets to stock garbage bags with greater dimensions than 500*650 millimeters, and, no pharmaceutical shop may sell no more than two boxes of golden throat lozenges per week. That's all central planning folks.

  14. Re:This is despicable and indecent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who said anything about throwing away? They refused the shipment. Its up to the seller to figure out what to do with it now but there was no mention of it being destroyed.

  15. "Product safety agency"? by kheldan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    China has a "Product safety agency"? Really? It must only apply to imports, not exports.

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    1. Re:"Product safety agency"? by bob_super · · Score: 1

      Yep, one the main points of these free-trade zones was to remove the burden of local compliance for export products.

    2. Re:"Product safety agency"? by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      I really like this quote from the article:

      The agency called on US authorities to tighten controls to ensure unapproved strains are not sent to China.

      This reminds me of a saying my friend regularly uses;

      Pot,Pot, this is Kettle, Kettle, colour check, over.

    3. Re:"Product safety agency"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand? Why should it apply to exports? Would you want your labor (taxes) to pay for an agency that works for the safety of the other countries?

    4. Re:"Product safety agency"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so same as the USA then.

    5. Re:"Product safety agency"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for this, we (the importers) have to test what gets delivered. trust, but verify. but we didn't really care for the last 50 years as long as it was cheap, did we?

      otoh, china CAN produce high quality stuff - just send the crap back with a note that reads "not what we ordered". the CAN meet YOUR standards, IF you force them to, but they will then also charge higher prices.

  16. Re:"Hey, we'll take it," said Africa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Oh, don't worry. They WILL throw it away, under the watchful eye of an armed guard if necessary, before they give it away.

  17. Re:"Hey, we'll take it," said Africa by paiute · · Score: 3, Informative
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  18. Trust us.... by jasper160 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It was tested for two years http://cera-gmc.org/index.php?action=gm_crop_database&mode=ShowProd&data=MIR162. Considering most drugs take decades if they even make it to market.

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    1. Re:Trust us.... by slew · · Score: 1

      FYI, MIR162 was approved for use by the EU.
      Of course, this might be because it was developed by a Swiss company (Syngenta)...

      The modification made to MIR162 (insertion of a gene from Bacillus thuringiensis aka Bt which creates the Vip3Aa protein) is in some ways the complement to what was known as BtCorn (which is the generic moniker for many varieties of corn which inserted one of the other genes from Bt and created a different protein Cry1Ac and was developed by the non-European company Monsanto). Apparently, many pest have developed a resistance to the Cry1Ac expression BtCorn.

      There is another GM-corn which was called Starlink (owned by Bayer-Aventis, a French company) which used yet another protein from Bt (Cry9C), and there were problems in testing (the protein is apparently not broken down as easily and testing got prohibitively expensive as it showed some possibility for human allergic response) and it was eventually withdrawn from the market.

    2. Re:Trust us.... by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      Food is not a drug. Drugs are specifically designed to interrupt or change normal metabolic pathways and processes, whereas food is not. That drugs take years to make it to market and food does not is to be expected.

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    3. Re:Trust us.... by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >Drugs are specifically designed to interrupt or change normal metabolic pathways and processes, whereas food is not.

      All foods affect metabolic pathways. Try eating a few slices of bread and see what happens to your insulin, blood glucose and LPL receptor expression.
      Try eating lots of broccolli and see how your thyroid hormones react.

      As xkcd probably said, we are all big bags of chemical reactions and we throw other chemicals in our gobs to keep the reactions going. Don't think there is a magic division between drugs and food where food is inert and drugs aren't.

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    4. Re:Trust us.... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      Not only by the EU. It is also approved for food in Canada, Australia, Taiwan, Philippines, Japan, Columbia and Korea.

      I am sure there will be no problem finding customers. Meanwhile billions of Chinese babies will go hungry.

      The expressed protein is a Bt toxin, which is approved for and used on organic farms as a natural pesticide.

    5. Re:Trust us.... by slew · · Score: 1

      The expressed protein is a Bt toxin, which is approved for and used on organic farms as a natural pesticide.

      Although the expressed protein is a Bt toxin, and application of Bt is considered as a organic natural pesticide spray, they aren't quite the same.
      In the GM variant, it is actually produced in the corn itself, where in the organic farming case, an inactivated Bt bacteria solution is sprayed on corn and you are only consuming the pesticide residue. The difference is in the quantity that you might ingest.

      Personally, I don't think GM modifications like MIR162 as a major consumption hazard (I'm sure I've eaten some already as I live in the USA), but I'm a believer in full disclosure and letting people decide. On the other hand, I think of cultivation of stuff like MIR162 as a latent environmental hazard not unlike anti-bacterial soap or people overusing anti-biotics. Low-level doses that permeate the environment seem like they will inevitably breed resistance in the pests. Indeed this is happening with Bt toxin as some pests have already developed resistance to GM-corn with Bt genes.

      In case anyone was wondering, the way they find out if there is GM contamination, is that the GM variant has a special marker gene inserted in it. The tests are for the presence of the marker, not for the toxin itself. http://www.syngentabiotech.com/biotech_licensing/pmi_technology.aspx

    6. Re:Trust us.... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Food is not a drug.

      Bullshit.

      Drugs are specifically designed to interrupt or change normal metabolic pathways and processes

      Medical dictionary: "A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction." Food fits the entire description.

      That drugs take years to make it to market and food does not is to be expected.

      The FDA disagrees with you. Apparently, Walnuts are a drug if you make health claims supported by science on your packaging. Cherries have been subjected to the same treatment. So you see, clearly food is a drug, both literally and legally.

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    7. Re:Trust us.... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      > The difference is in the quantity that you might ingest.

      Do you have a reference on that one?

      > MIR162 as a major consumption hazard (I'm sure I've eaten some already as I live in the USA)

      MIR162 is approved pretty much worldwide.

      > Low-level doses that permeate the environment seem like they will inevitably breed resistance in the pests.

      Bt toxins have been permeating the environment from natural sources for millions of years.

  19. Re:This is despicable and indecent by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Insightful

    HOW CAN ANYBODY THROW AWAY HALF A MILLION TONS OF FOOD WHEN SO MANY HUMAN BEINGS ARE STARVING?

    Well, it depends. Is that food actually safe to eat? In this case, probably, but that hasn't been vetted and proven by the Chinese government, so they're quite sane in erring on the side of safety. Especially considering all the product recalls involving tainted food from their local producers. Plus, it's not like the US or China are strapped for food at the national level.

    The problem with starvation has been one of distribution for much of the past century. If this food IS being thrown away (and that's a big "if"), then it's because there's no good way of getting it to someone who could pay some price for it before it spoils. (And food aid is generally not done for completely free.)

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  20. Re:T-Bonds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    China lines up and bids against lots of others for the privilege of holding t-bills. All China has is cheap labor to make things the US invented, and that labor will soon be irrelevant because of automation and 3D printers.

  21. Re:"Hey, we'll take it," said Africa by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    With that much corn, you could build a palace!

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  22. And if we did this to China, would it be news? by tekrat · · Score: 1

    Let's say China ships us 545,000 tons of toothpaste laced with lead, and our health inspectors reject it. Would this even be news or just another day at the Los Angeles shipping ports?

    As it stands, our trade deficit with China is so great, we're coming up with creative uses for all the shipping containers being stocked 30 or 40 high -- we could build housing for the homeless from all those containers, and completely eliminate homelessness in this country, if only we had the land to put all those containers somewhere else.

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    1. Re:And if we did this to China, would it be news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The containers MIGHT float ...

    2. Re:And if we did this to China, would it be news? by Quince+alPillan · · Score: 1

      Yes, it probably would be news. The "Chinese Drywall" scare in 2007/2008 made the news for a few weeks as well.

      The only reason this made Slashdot was because its related to GMO. GMO tends to be a hot button for nerds because a fair number of misinformed people will malignly knee-jerk in response to GMO, while people who are more likely to understand GMO tend to be okay with minimal variations or even approve wholeheartedly.

      After all, if you disapprove of all GMO, you shouldn't eat orange carrots or else you'll be hypocritical.

    3. Re:And if we did this to China, would it be news? by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "- we could build housing for the homeless from all those containers, and completely eliminate homelessness in this country, if only we had the land to put all those containers somewhere else."

      Much love for my ISO containers, but the homeless problem isn't necessarily due to a lack of "homes".
      If you have "land", then the ubiquitous "single wide mobile home" is usually a better choice than the "same thing in a shipping container". By the time you turn an ISO into a lodging structure (as many firms do, check the Sea Box site for great ISO container pron) they cost more than a single-wide.
      Container homes are great for DIYers with a metalworking background, and they also make hip structures for the rich. They don't necessarily save much if anything in construction costs if hiring out the work, but you wouldn't know that from the many people pimping them.
      If you have a place to play and the inclination, grab one or more 40' High Cubes (standard height sucks for many reasons, and since 20-footers cost so close to 40's it's usually silly to get a 20.
      I just spend the day welding a splice strip between my roofs (use industrial roof coatings BTW, NOT the vile rust-promoting shit from chain stores!) and after coating the roofs (about a grand in materials) I'll be adding a man door and removing some of the walls between them. It's shop space but I'd live in an ISO home without hesitation. If I had to pay retail for everything, I'd go ICF (insulated concrete forms) with a slab floor instead.

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    4. Re:And if we did this to China, would it be news? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Let's say China ships us 545,000 tons of toothpaste laced with lead, and our health inspectors reject it. Would this even be news or just another day at the Los Angeles shipping ports?

      Sure it would be news. Usually nobody inspects the stuff until after it's in the hands of consumers.

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    5. Re:And if we did this to China, would it be news? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you have "land", then the ubiquitous "single wide mobile home" is usually a better choice than the "same thing in a shipping container".

      Why?

      By the time you turn an ISO into a lodging structure (as many firms do, check the Sea Box site for great ISO container pron) they cost more than a single-wide.

      Horseshit. They cost more if you buy them completed, they cost more if you buy a kit in many cases (though not all) but they do NOT cost more to put up, nor even nearly as much. You can get a 20' container delivered for under two grand even in bumfuck where I live. Granted, it's Bumfuck CA, so I'm relatively near a port, but it's three hours by truck from where the containers are to where I am, one of them on twisty and hilly roads. If you bought them in bulk you could likely get 40' containers for a thousand a piece. Empty containers are stacked up so high at some ports that they're a nuisance.

      They don't necessarily save much if anything in construction costs if hiring out the work, but you wouldn't know that from the many people pimping them.

      It depends on how fancy you're planning to get.

      I just spend the day welding a splice strip between my roofs

      I presume you don't live in quake country, or it would be preferable to leave them separated.

      and after coating the roofs (about a grand in materials)

      If you were building apartments for the homeless, you'd stack the containers. You'd put walkways and stairs at one end with an entry door, and you'd put a window with a fire escape ladder at the other end to meet code. You'd put a greenhouse on the top of the structure, eliminating most of the roofing requirements entirely. Or you'd build a green roof there, which consists mostly of laying down a layer or two of fancy plastic. Either way you'd go up three stories or so, taking advantage of the natural properties of shipping containers, and your roofing costs would be reduced that many times. You'd trade them for the cost of building walkways, but those could also be built from scrapped containers...

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    6. Re:And if we did this to China, would it be news? by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "I presume you don't live in quake country, or it would be preferable to leave them separated."

      Their "foundation" is gross overkill heavy section ten-inch steel I-beam across the ends, resting on railroad gravel. Welding (not to "quake country" structural codes which specify a different wire nowadays) was done with stick (6010 root pass) then E71T-11 .045" flux core wire. Top corner fittings are welded together and the splice strip itself is thicker than the ISO roof skin and adds considerable strength. Since the beams themselves are unanchored, they are free to float if my area ever has a serious quake. I did it that way because if the shop ever settles after I add weight in machine tools (unlikely with railroad gravel) I can jack a corner easily.

        I personally like ISOs, but they are just steel boxes and there is more to building with them than meets the eye. Po' folks in the US didn't do well in "the projects" and even more spartan ISO construction is unlikely to take off for warehousing them. Even for the "homeless" you'll need wiring, insulation, plumbing, sprinkler systems, HVAC and waste disposal, as well as security and surveillance so they don't prey on each other quite so much.

      Remember this has all been tried before, sans ISOs, many times!
      Technical solutions to social problems with (initially) lavish funding were applied, and the result eventually turned more socially toxic than dispersed poverty.

      http://www.nytimes.com/1987/11/28/nyregion/newark-rips-down-its-projects.html

      By all means do an ISO structure for yourself. DIY economics can favor ISO construction and not stacking them slashes cost because you don't need crane rental. DIY homes are owned by people who have a personal buy-in to making them work. Modern insulation panels, spray foam, and so forth make ISOs practical in any climate. Adroit scrounging and human networking can turn up lots of quality material for free. They are fun to work with and complementary steel building kits (galvalume beats the shit out of Corten, but ISOs aren't expected to last decades without refurb as they are designed to be expendable) can integrate and protect them. I have a Steelmaster (there are many companies making the same rolled steel panel designs so shop around) building and would not hesitate to use their kits over ISOs. Two people with scaffold and pneumatic tools can erect one if you aren't in a hurry. See Youtube videos for various methods. I anti-seized the bolts and only had to cut a few when I tore mine down for relocation.

      http://www.steelmasterusa.com/industrial/products/container-covers

      Do get High Cube ISOs. The standard height version limits air circulation and has little room for vertical storage or lofted furniture options.

      Lots of container info and useful parts such as corner clamps and twist locks. You could prefab end beams with weld-in twistlocks offsite then connect your ISOs to them, and to each other at the top with corner clamps if you want the option to demount and move them yet want "earthquake resistance" for your structure:

      http://www.tandemloc.com/

      Check the gallerys for ideas:

      http://www.seabox.com/

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  23. China rejects 545,000 tons of laxatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assuming this was the same corn that made its way into Taco Bell brand tacos.

  24. Customer is always right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Knowing customers regulations how does one ship a half million tons of something they know or should know will be rejected if inspected? Cross their fingers...hope for the best?

    I hope someone is getting slapped/fired.

  25. Re:This is despicable and indecent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its just a case of its approved for use in the USA but the Chinese version of the FDA hasn't finished their approval process. Its like technology has to get the FCC stamp of approval before it can be sold in the USA even if its already cleared in another country.

    Things just working as intended and somebody got sloppy sending it before it was authorized.

  26. Re:This is despicable and indecent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would you poison a starving man?

  27. Wrong poison by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

    What it were tainted with lead, they'd probably have no problem with that... y'know, being China and all that..

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    1. Re:Wrong poison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you merkins whine and whinge about unapproved stuff getting into your food from china and when the USA does it, then you whinge about unapproved stuff getting into your food from china.

      Yeah, your shit don't stink, do it, fella.

    2. Re:Wrong poison by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      No, we complain about toys our children play with that can kill them. Guess who started it?

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  28. I'm fing fed up by American exceptionalism... by elloGov · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm going to catch the wrath of my fellow flag-wrapped, self-professed "patriotic" American countrymen, but I'm fucking fed up and feel the need to speak up.
    This sick propaganda starts with the media. Fuck reading a story's contents, you give me the color/race, ethnicity, religion, sexual-orientation, wealth/affluence, partisanship of the story (domestic and international), I'll tell you exactly what the reactions of my countrymen will be regardless of the facts. This post-colonial imperialism is sickening and runs through the veins of our society from top to bottom. It creates double standards, domestically and internationally.
    China and its Ministry of Agriculture rejects unapproved goods just like our FDA would. How dare they expect the same as us? Let the smear campaign begin! China executes Uyghur Muslims, all of a sudden China is the best. Why? Because in our hierarchical caste system, China seems ranks higher than Muslims. This is the reality, a single stamp on your forehead of an identity defines one entirely and groups you with a stereotype irrelevant of the facts. And if you think that people are willingly going to accept second-class treatment, you are tripping, keep investing in the military as this is the only way.
    This is exactly why:
    • we are bending over and taking it as our gov't sells out its citizen's right to privacy
    • some rich white kid gets off with "affluenza"
    • Zimmerman, had irrational support cult-like following
    • Snowden, a true patriot, is on the run from his own gov't
    • we have murdered, YES MURDERED, hundreds of thousands of people in many wars
    • Discriminatory anti-Muslim rhetoric is flowing openly. Sikhs are targeted as Muslims, we condemn the acts afterwards because "they aren't even Muslims"
    • ...

    These double standards and injustices go on BECAUSE you permit it to happen. I'm the fucking patriot here, you are just a mindless sheep falling in line, fuck you!

  29. Re:This is despicable and indecent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would you poison a starving man?

    Depends on how slow the poison works, and how serious the side-effects are preceding death. If it takes 40 years to kill, with no side effects until year 39, it might be a worthwhile tradeoff.

  30. You know what makes this funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the chemicals and crap they put in everything they make and export to us, and they wont accept some corn..

  31. American Exceptionalism by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "How dare China import lead-tainted goods! Ban!"
    "How dare China ban our GMO exports!"

    American Exceptionalism is Exceptional Hypocrisy.

    1. Re:American Exceptionalism by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Unless our GMO exports are full of lead (which wouldn't really surprise me), the two aren't equivalent.

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    2. Re:American Exceptionalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a world of difference between known carcinogens and GMO corn, komrade.

    3. Re:American Exceptionalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both cases involve sending products that wont pass inspection and hoping they don't get inspected.

  32. Yes. 10,000 years of testing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Moreover, those tests started with small scale products that took decades or centuries to work through, as opposed to being planted as a monoculture through billions of hectares at a time.

    But, hey, go ahead and don't eat cultivated foodstuffs, only wild produce, until they're proven safe.

    Don't use that to insist that GMOs don't have to be tested.

  33. Re:This is despicable and indecent by kwbauer · · Score: 0

    Yes, yes we have. Many people, even here on Slashdot, would rather see people starve or suffer from malnutrition instead of having them eat certain foods that they have no reason to believe are harmful in any way except they have deemed them as "unnatural."

    Much the same way that we, as a society, decided that we would rather see millions of those darker folks die from Malaria just so we can pretend to care about the birds that were not being harmed (as proven by the EPA study) by a certain pesticide.

  34. Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We send them something *safe* and they reject it. Just pour some lead in it.

  35. Re:Keep that poison away from us. by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

    [citation needed]

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  36. Re:"Hey, we'll take it," said Africa by TWiTfan · · Score: 1

    Think of all the corn and E.T. cartridges we could donate to the starving if we weren't so short-sighted.

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  37. Ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The country where they make fake everything, right down to fake eggs has a problem with genetic modifications to corn.

    http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/06/how-to-make-a-rotten-egg/

    1. Re:Ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could do what they just did and refuse to buy the product.

  38. when you start messing with food.... by Chirs · · Score: 2

    The whole point of some of these changes is to make the food no longer attractive (or possibly even toxic) to pests. It seems reasonable that the changes required to do this may have some impact on people as well.

    That said, direct genetic modification is a lot less likely to cause problems than the radiation-based mutation where they just blast it and see what they end up with--that ends up changing a lot more DNA than the direct modification would, and has far fewer labelling restrictions.

    1. Re:when you start messing with food.... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      It seems reasonable only to uninformed people.

      The pest control is bacillus thuringiensis toxin, a group of proteins so specific that they affects only a few species of insects.

      These materials are permitted for use by organic farmers as a natural pesticide.

    2. Re:when you start messing with food.... by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 1

      The whole point of some of these changes is to make the food no longer attractive (or possibly even toxic) to pests. It seems reasonable that the changes required to do this may have some impact on people as well.

      In this case, we know exactly how we are making it pest resistant. The Bt genes produce a protein that has no known affect on mammalians. It isn't 'possibly' toxic to the pests it targets, it kills them. It is, to them, toxic, but just like grapes and chocolate are toxic to dogs, that does not mean it is also toxic to humans. The Bt proteins have a very specific and well understood mode of action, and they simply have no impact on humans.

      direct genetic modification is a lot less likely to cause problems than the radiation-based mutation where they just blast it and see what they end up with

      You don't even need to go that far. People all over are breeding for pest and pathogen resistant crops. What is being increased in those? All plants produce toxic chemicals, like solanine in tomatoes, falcarinol in carrots, or psoralens in celery. It is how they evolved to defend themselves from herbivory since they obviously can't fight back. Maybe the conventional breeding of a new variety of a crop results in increased defensed by increasing one of those compounds. Maybe it results in an increase of pathogenesis related proteins, known allergens. Thing is though, this is a much more nuanced view of risk assessment of improved varieties, transgenic or conventionally bred or anything in between, and the various anti-GMO groups are not in the business of educating people.

  39. Re:T-Bonds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not many people would consider the holder of ones debt a "privilege", more like having the money to buy them.

    Seriously, are they rare or something?

  40. Yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freedom means asking permission and taking orders.

  41. Re:This is despicable and indecent by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    ...been vetted and proven by the Chinese government

    Not sure if serious.

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  42. Considering... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have been found making "oil" out of sewage, you'd think something like this would pass without any problem.

  43. Chinese steal GMO secrets by perlwannabe · · Score: 1

    http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2013/12/19/six-chinese-nationals-indicted-in-corn-seed-theft-case/article?nclick_check=1

    Six Chinese nationals have been indicted as part of an ongoing agriculture espionage case involving the attempted theft of valuable trade secrets from U.S. seed manufacturing companies.

    U.S. Attorney Nicholas Klinefeldt announced the indictments Thursday morning in a news statement.

    Federal prosecutors announced last week that the men had been accused of traveling across the Midwest to steal millions of dollars in seed technology trade secrets for use at their China-based seed company.

  44. Re:Keep that poison away from us. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    >No wonder people are obese, sick and have cancer. GM is poison.

    Don't look to the micro-nutrients first. Start with the macro-nutrients. We eat a lot more of them.
    Try sugar, wheat and weird fats that didn't exist before 1970 for starters.

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  45. Re:This is despicable and indecent by dryeo · · Score: 1

    Much the same way that we, as a society, decided that we would rather see millions of those darker folks die from Malaria just so we can pretend to care about the birds that were not being harmed (as proven by the EPA study) by a certain pesticide.

    Curious, what pesticide are you talking about? While some insecticides such as those that are arsenic based have been banned for everything it's hard to believe that ingesting lead arsenic wouldn't negatively impact birds (and people). Of course that was banned before the EPA existed.
    Then there are insecticides such as DDT that are banned for everything except using on malaria carrying mosquitoes. Of course DDT is pretty useless now as it was overused and mosquitoes have evolved resistance to it. Important thing about most pesticides, they should only be used sparingly to avoid resistance in the target population.

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  46. Re:This is despicable and indecent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HOW CAN ANYBODY THROW AWAY HALF A MILLION TONS OF FOOD WHEN SO MANY HUMAN BEINGS ARE STARVING?

    Quite a few reasons actually


    •      
    • throwing away food is a highly subentionised billion dollar industry to keep prices at a profitable level (example destroying overproduction of milk in europe).
           
    • support for alternative fuels, aka burning food or planting non food/feed plants in the name of replacing oil.
           
    • taxes, some government officials believe that doing good should be taxed (hit some organisations in germany)
           
    • corruption, you got tons of food, how do you get it to the starving people in Afrika? Quite a bit of money, otherwise it will spoil at the border
           
    • transportation, you secured the help of the local (corrupt) officials that still leaves you with moving, storing and distributing a lot of food, none of these is cheap
           
    • greed, you managed to pay for everything, the local (corrupt) officials and/or your hired helpers think they could get more out of your food by charging money for it, the starving wont be able to pay.

    Helping starving people is most of the time quite costly and getting the food where it is needed is one of the hardest parts (try to do your charity work in north korea for example). An actual global food shortage is lukily limited to nightmares and with the overproduction in first world nations it is unlikely to happen for many more decades, the problem of distribution however remains largely unsolved (maybe the U.S. could spread food instead of democracy?).

  47. Oh Boy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When your citizens start growing an extra pair of arms you know you're in trouble.

  48. Re:This is despicable and indecent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why aren't you getting worked up about all the food that we turn into fuel instead of giving to starving people?

  49. This from the top poison air producing country? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The poisons and toxins their industries are letting into the air, lakes, rivers and oceans cause more mutations than any GM crop, have they evaluated what those toxins are doing to their people? hell no, but watch out, spend a lil money on foreign food grains and they'd better be straight plain grains.

    Get real - their people are getting sick and dying in droves from their own short-sighted stupidity - letting a lil gm corn into their country won't do anything to the numbers that are dying daily due to their poor air and water quality....

  50. Kinda Ironic by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

    A country responsible for leaded paint in toys, melamine in pet food and baby milk is refusing corn over GMO concerns ?

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  51. So that is why they want a buck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For a fucking ear of corn. A buck for a fucking Orange. A fucking buck for a god damn apple.

    I am going to hijack one of those fucking trucks.

    Better than a armored.

  52. Re:This is despicable and indecent by citizenr · · Score: 1

    I know I'm not the first one to point this out here, but seriously, let me repeat this:

    HOW CAN ANYBODY THROW AWAY HALF A MILLION TONS OF FOOD WHEN SO MANY HUMAN BEINGS ARE STARVING?

    How have we - collectively - come to the point where this sort of things is acceptable? This is completely indecent, and someone in power should be shot over this.

    You dont see the big picture - people are starving BECAUSE we overproduce thanks to huge subsidies. Africa was able to feed itself before we started sending cheaper food that destroyed their economy.

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  53. Re:T-Bonds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How come the US cant make things they invented?

  54. Gift horse by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Don't punch the gift horse in the mouth, take the damned food and eat it.. Or starve.

    Ungrateful pinheads

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    1. Re:Gift horse by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      Lol, they are hardly starving or else they would happily take it.
      Your govt just pays people to make too much corn and your trying to dump it on the Chinese. Feed some of your own starving people first, wait that wont make the agribusiness any money, nevermind carry on.

  55. Eating glyphosate is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every time you eat RoundUp Ready corn, soy, canola you are eating glyphosate. The pathway by which glyposate kills plants is known as the shikimate pathway. This same pathway exists in the bacteria in your gut. That is also where 75% of your immune system is regulated as well as it has been called your "second brain" due to its importance in providing the building blocks your brain needs to function.

    Once you have poisoned your gut bacteria you will get a lot more autoimmune and inflammation based diseases and conditions.

    The EPA is increasing limits on allowable glyphosate in food crops from 200 ppm to 6,000 ppm and in oil seed crops from 20 ppm to 40 ppm. Of course it is perfectly safe because the company making it said so.

    Consume at your own risk.

  56. Re:"Hey, we'll take it," said Africa by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Actually, no, they won't. Zimbabwe, Angola, Zambia, and others have all rejected GM corn.

    I'm trying to be careful of it here at home, but if I were starving that calculus would be much different.

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  57. I dont think all the corn would be consumed. Some by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they plant that corn, would it be bye-bye for the honey-bees?

  58. Re:This is despicable and indecent by zsau · · Score: 1

    Isn't killing "birds (and people)" the goal of a pesticide?

    *ducks*

    (And yes, I realise that my comment requires a misreading of the pp. But it's a joke.)

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  59. Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The irony of China rejecting food from the US is incredible considering the amount of toxic garbage they ship over here daily with no remorse.

    Never, ever, ever, ever eat anything that came from China. I boycott all Chinese food and candy products, including for animals, and I make sure to convince everyone else I know or come across to do the same.

  60. Re:I dont think all the corn would be consumed. So by jasper160 · · Score: 1

    Unlikely, bees are not needed for corn pollination. But the GM soybeans do have flowers. I remember bees on those while working in the fields.

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