Re:Also try Learning Cocoa, an updated NeXT book
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Very true; I actually learnt the OpenStep API by using that NeXT book you mention and some GNUstep tutorials. My Obj-C experience is only on GNUstep (not Cocoa), but the information needed is the same.
On that note my next buy will be
Programming in Objective-C; the reviews seem to indicate that it's a good book *and* ina rather unusual fashion as examples for both Cocoa and GNUstep.
Re:Should have mentioned "parental controls"
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...-asian women vomiting into each other's rectums while a midget bangs nails through his penis...
No, broken will be the inevitable sequel. *No* movie makes that kind of money without a sequel. The way I see it, we have about a year and a half before "THE PASSION 2: DAWN OF THE DEAD."
I'm only buying the Trilogy DVD set, after they release... "POTC 3: The Return of Judas"
Actually different developers prefere different licenses, and "noisy zealots" always pop up shouting "why not XXX instead of YYY? It's MORE FREE".
I was answering to yet another "BSD is more free" rant. I *prefer* the GPL, but don't have anything against BSD-like licenses. In the same way it's uncalled for (and flamebait) to say in the middle of a discussion about e.g. FreeBSD "they should use the GPL. IT'S MORE FREE" I'm rather fed up with the "OMG!OMG! BSD is MORE FREE!" in the middle of a discussion about the FSF.
As for the "busy doing stuff" you must live in a different reality.
BTW, it's probably not very clever to say that others are "ballyhooing" on Slashdot... in a Slashdot post.
Because the FSF is much more than just a license? The FSF has be the one organization that for about 20 years has had a defined idea on what software freedom is and that has made it available. One can disagree with the FSF, but they are crystal clear about their goals, motivations and methodologies. The GPL is *one* part of that, albeit a very important part.
On another note I'm fed up with this "blah blah blah more free blah blah blah" rant everytime the FSF is mentioned. I'm not even going to debate it. As someone here in/. wrote after the Wine Project changed the license from the "more free" BSD-like that enabled Transgaming to pull that WineX crap: Developers chose the GPL, whiners prefered BSD.
Yes, only counting "espresso" (see the other post for the espresso/expresso thing). This because an espresso is strionger than "normal" coffee but in the whole one consumes less cafeine.
wrtmute' post is correct, expresso is the portuguese equivalent for the italian espresso. I actually meant to write "espresso", but since the two words are so similar it crept in.
The contrary is also true though. I have travelled to Spain, Holland, France, Czeckia, etc and it's an ordeal to drink a regular "expresso" coffe. Some countries assume you want a largu cup of milk with coffee, others that you want a whole cup of some brown liquid they keep in a jar. Actually the only two places where coffee *is* expresso is Italy (of course) and Portugal.
Now that you mentioned it I think that I *never* saw any kind of coffee except expresso served here... so I guess this evens things up.
I'm Italian, and I don't drink coffee. And I certainly don't appreciate a story that portrays us (or technies for that matter) as coffee-swillers.
Dude, the fact remains that in the last Euro statistics I have red Italians were #1 household coffe drinkers ("expresso") and Portuguese were #1 out-of-house coffee drinkers (also "expresso").
Look at it this way: you might not drink coffee, but at least enjoy with the fact that if you did drink it you would be able to drink good one and not some creamed-watered-gigatic-soup-like mess.
Well, I have red the same thing about smokers due to the effect that nicotine has on the dopamin levels.
Since I'm portuguese I drink about 5/6 coffees ("expressos", the only real coffee;) ) a day. I also smoke about 6 small cigars a day. I'm pretty much Alzheimer free, the only drawback is that I have a higher chance to actually not reach the age when Alzheimer generally appears *sigh*.
Uh? I never heard of Gentoo LiveCDs. Nobody I know ever mentioned Gentoo LiveCDs. I Know Knoppix, Gnoppix, DynaBolic and Linux BBS and some others, but not Gentoo.
I might be the only person in the world to be oblivious of the Gentoo LiveCD's market cornering. On the other hand you might be confusing what you like with World Domination. I love Debian, but for most people that I talk to Linux is RedHat or SuSE, so there would be little to be gained from saying that "Debian has the Linux desktop market cornered".
Not implying that you are not being honest in your observation though.
Now, to be fair, if I go on strike I would feel the company totally justified in letting me go after three days for job abandonment
Wow, laws in the USA must be very different! Going on strike is totally different from job abandonment, workers strike is a legally valid option for Unions, which is turn are legally valid organizations of workers. Nobody can be fired for being on strike for 3,4 or more days, since a strike is a legal and valid form of protest. Not going to work for 3 days is a totally unrelated matter since I suppose that those days were not accounted for legally (sickness, pregnancy, etc).
Well, XFree is pretty important, no doubt about that. But, as I see it, there are two different problems here that ultimatly will affect XFree86 more than the distros:
1) The version that falls under this new license in not very different from the previous one. There are improvements (and to some people they are big, e.g. support for they card) but it's not like it's a totally different codebase, most people with supported cards would probably not even notice the need. This is important because this makes things very easy to fork, and that is an option under consideration (read Theo's mail, for example). Couple that with freedesktop.org xlibs (see RedHat post) and you have the basis of a new X without this licencing problems (read Branden's (Debian) mail about more specific licencing issues).
2) I keep hearing reactions from X contributors that "XFree86 is not about Linux", basicaly asserting they would be fine or even better withour all this Linux distros bitching about their work. Well, if GNU/Linux and the BSD's drop the new X who exactly is going to use as a standard installed part of the system? Solaris x86 users? XFree86 importance and relevance is directly related to the widespread use of the Free Unices.
I would like to had that I'm quite happy about the rejection of the new licence being transversal across distributions and OS's; Mandrake, Debian, RedHat, Gentoo, OpenBSD, probably more will come once they reach a decision. This consensus is important because when it's just the FSF and Debian taking a position people dismiss it as "political rubish". Browse the previous discussions on this issue and you'll see people saying that this licence is only wrong for the FSF and Debian and that their will include the new XFree86 because they are pragmatics bla,bla,bla. This widespread agreement in rejecting the new licence shows that this issues *are* important and that in the long run *more* important that having a new graphic card supported.
I am, of course, very grateful to the XFree84 Project for their work. The fact that this licencing change was made in such an ungraceful mode does not affect that.
If you are telling me that with Debian (which seems to be you distro of choice) that you can get source kernel packages within days after the release, that's great. You can't with Redhat (not from Redhat anyway) and AFAIK not from SuSE or Mandrake (from the respective vendor/groups. Possible Fedora is different, but that still remains to be seen.
Actually I wasn't exactly saying that... it still holds true though (I had a 2.6 kernel package just some days after they were officially released), but that was not my main point. Debian is my distro, yes, but kernel packages are handled more or less the same way in all distros, at least from a user perpective. If not a few days, then a few months... I probably misunderstood the initial poster to which I replied since I was not implying a timeframe in my reply. In that, sure, Gentoo is good, since it depends on the original source code + plus some metadata. I was refering to package managing kernel images and sources, and that seems to be pretty well covered in all distros.
NeXT also came with Zilla, the predecessor to all grid computing that let the Zilla project steal unused cycles on all volunteer NeXT computers in the world.
It would be shameful to see Brazilian (Portuguese speaking) and a Mexican (Spanish) speak in English.
Ahh, but even that isn't simple... for a Brazilian and a Mexican maybe that would work, but in my experience (I'm portuguese) it's simpler to talk english with people from Spain (assuming that they know english). I always found that a portuguese speaker can more or less understand spanish, but the opposite is not true. This leads to:
so it seems that some day we might all need a little Spanish.
Yes, probably, because spanish speakers are either unable or simply don't want to learn any other language. This is probably because everybody else is polite enough to make the effort to communicate in spanish, so why should they bother? Do understand that I have family and friends in Spain, so this isn't a traditional "Portugal vs Spain" thing.
Oh, and the final thing to note: we could be both be talking in portuguese... but since we are writing in a english language forum we have the good taste of refraining to do so.
Sure you can. It's just easier with Gentoo as it is already in the packaging system with all the dependancies and excellent documentation to tell you how to do it.
And this is different from Debian in what regard? With kernel-package you can make any pristine linux source dir (or, of course, a kernel-source deb) into a deb ready to be installed with the modules and the appropriate deps. This is assuming you want to compile it, since you can just apt-get install kernel-image-[arch]-[version].
I would also assume that Redhat, SuSE and Mandrake provide the same, at least for binary packages of the kernel that are becoming more and more the norm instead of the exception.
The point here is that it seems to me that Gentto users assume that "OMG!OMG! I can emerge the kernel! Kewl!" is somewhat different in result than what other distros already have, i.e, everything seems new. It's great to like your distro of choice, but there are limits to what can be considered improvements.
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Ummm, no, it mean that the system that you use is a i586 pc running Linux. That string describes your system, not the nmap target.
After all, if TCP/IP was so generous as to provide that string the -O option to nmap would be really simple.
While I might not have the educational system of the USA (in a general sense) in the greatest regard (relax, I don't hold my own in high regard) this apparent lack of knowledge is rather general. I remember Lunokhod very well but I was a) very interest in spacial exploration when I was a kid and b) most of the books I had were from the USSR (or from Novosti Press editions in Portugal).
The thing is, most of my classmates were not even interest in the whole subject, so for them Lunokhod or Appolo didn't meant anything. In the USA it's obvious that people have knowledge (or should have, it is after all a great thing to be prouf of) about their own space missions, but beyond that it's really down to curiosity and personal interest.
I would argue that most knowledge of this kind that people have is not directly derived from taking classes at school but it's a result of curiosity and self-reading. And perhaps rightly so.
What linux needs is to drop the stupid GPL and go with a BSD license to allow a company to dump a bunch of money into their own tree of linux and gaurentee that they could make their investment dollars back.
I fail to see any logic in this, for several reasons:
* The "stupid GPL" hasn't prevented companies from investing in Linux. This idea that "BSD-license is good for business" is contradicted by the number of companies investing and supporting Linux. The number of direct beneficts that users gain from Linux being GPL'ed should also be taken into account. An example: XFS and JFS can be used by any Linux user and directly improve their experience. This is contrary to the BSD's where most companies take * a lot * and give back very, very little.
* With your scenario exactly what would we gain from having a proprietary version of Linux running in a PDA? Once you allow proprietary forks much of the reaons for using a free OS disapear.
I have nothing against any of the BSD's or the BSD license. I use BSD AND BSD licensed programs. It's just that one should not assume that just because the BSD license allows proprietary forks this will somehow translate into the companies that take the code giving back as a "thank you". I'm sure there are companies that do this, but most of them just take without giving anything substancial back (or in direct proportions of their gains).
It is also understandable that companies prefer BSD code *for code that they didn't wrote*, since they can use them as they wish, but prefer GPL *for code that they made and are releasing under a free license*, since this prevents competitors from using the code without contributing back the changes and make them available to all.
I don't get pissed about it. I think it's a relatively futile position to be in. People in your position think way too much in the sysadmin/OS-preference realm of things, and the people that love Linux and *nix just as much as you do that think in the gamer realm of things just dual-boot or have separate boxes/hardware for that specific purpose.
And that's an option, and a valid one. I didn't said that everybody should convert to my way of viewing it. I like games a lot, but I just play 1, 2 games, so my way of viewing this issue is molded by my own necessities. I play Q3/TrueCombat as my game, i.e. one sole game is enough to satisfy most of *my* gaming needs. To do this I don't need to dual-boot, so I don't need a Windows box.
Probably my biggest wish is that Linux will come full circle and be just as prevalent as Windows in the gaming market ( from a client point of view, not just backend server stuff -- which it is already prevalent ). I myself am not doing anything to bring this to bear, so I go to the lengths I deem reasonable to 'game'.
Well, not all of us are developers, and I personally also ain't contributing anything to bring that scenario. What I try to do is what I wrote: buy games that are natively ported to Linux. Since as I said my gaming needs are satisfied by one FPS I can avoid dual-booting. Again, this is *my* situation. This whole thread generated too much confusion... What I said (and reafirm) was that I would not support Valve by either paying them for a game or running servers since I've been driven off their games by their failure to support Linux. Since there are other games available this is not very hard for me (altough in the beginning... I was always beginning every Q3 mod with the memorized keybinding for buyng CS weapons).
As a part-time graphics programming hobbyist, I certainly wish that I could be as productive in Linux as I am in Windows. The fact is the drivers suck ass in Linux, even though I love the environment more and I'm more productive in that general sense -- the actual fruits of the labor just can't be brought to full bloom because of those driver issues.
I fully understand that. I also wished that all drivers were on par with Windows (mainly graphic and sound drivers). Hence my comment about buying from companies that at least try to provide good documentation and good drivers. Again, since I'm no developer,the only "help" I can give is giving my money to those that show some support.
Also, maybe it's just me but I view the whole WineX thing as hurting the hell out of the actual prospect of Linux gaining further ground in the gaming arena.
Agreed. While a nice thing to have (I wouldn't have played CS if not for wineX) in the long run they don't give motivation for companies to port their games.
This was however much worse some time ago... tuxgames features a large number of games (I bought Q3 from them). And I'm not only talking about Linux: OSX and *BSD would also benefit from more portable game engines.
No, the reason why HL has had so many players is because people like the game. People wanted to play it, so they set up servers. Valve released a linux server because it's a good idea, so people often chose to set up linux servers.
That people like the game (actually, like the *mods*. If not CS HL would be dead long ago) is a given. But - and this might be specific for where I live - if not for the availability of Linux servers there would be not enough places for people to play. This was akin to UT.
Umm, why should they reward anybody ? They didn't ask anyone to set up linux servers. There are perfectly well running windows servers. They just gave you the option, and you took it.
That's rather obvious... Nobody forced me, of course. It's a simple case of expectations. I decided to run HL servers, then decided to stop running them. That's exactly what I said in my initial post.
So you care more about what OS the game server is running than the game itself ? Btw, I guess most people care more about the game than the server's OS. As you can see from gamespy.com's stats page, HL has (maybe ten times) more players than Q3 and UT players combined.
This is the part I don't understand. Do I care more about the OS than the game??? If the game doesn't run on my OS, what other option do I have?! This blind assumption that everybody has a Windows box to play games is hilariating. Most people care more about the game than the OS? So if HL2 was Cray-only you would still enjoy it? If I can't play the game doesn't that impact by enjoying it or not?
Your support effort" is nothing compared to "the real work they actually have to do" in order to get a DirectX 9 game running on linux (and btw, it is actually difficult).
You're mixing two different things. I, as a customer, don't really care about the ammount of work they have or not. You are also forgetting that choosing DirectX is, by itself, an indication of the importance they give to have their game running in non-Windows OS's. I support
companies by buying things, voluntering time and/or skills, etc.
I don't know what's so hard to understand here. HL2 is windows-only, so I a) won't buy it and b) won'r run servers in Linux for people to play it.
oo hoo. You're such a martyr. The Linux community itself carried Half-Life to greatness -- wtf ever. Get over yourself.
I'll try. Thanks for the advice.
Oh but wait, I'm sure the Linux community has carried OpenGL to greatness as well. Hell, most cards won't even work to their full potential under Linux and it's pathetic. "That's the fault of the card manufacturer's", you'd say -- so stop buying video cards as well so you can eventually sit in utter darkness proud of being a Linux martyr.
Er... you are actually right. When I make the decision to buy a graphic card (or any other hardware) I do so considering the level of support it has on Linux. I find this concept so simple to understand thay I don't quite follow your apparent objections. I also don't consider this decisions so difficult that one that makes them is a "martyr".
At this point, I think it's great when a game company takes the extra effort to release a server and/or client for Linux. However, I don't think it is absolutely necessary and I sure as hell don't judge them on whether they do or not. The vast majority of people still have their gaming boxes and their *nix laptop/desktop/dual-boot on the side, so it doesn't always make complete sense for the company to release anything for Linux in that sense.
Well, the "vast majority" can do what they want, really. I don't speak for the "vast majority". You have a Windows box just for gamming? How good for you! I don't. So it either works with Linux or it doesn't. The fact that you don't consider it "necessary" is totally irrelevant since your objective conditions are different than mine. You don't "judge" them by it because you have Windows installed. I - or Mac OSX, *BSD, etc users - "judge" software based on simple to understand things, like it actually working. If it doesn't it's rather worthless, no?
In HL2's case, everything was written to take advantage of DirectX's capabilities -- and summarily of ATI's on-chip DirectX capabilities. Both of those facts make Linux nearly impossible, or just way too much work to even give a shit.
Exactly! Just has Valve and you don't "give a shit" I retribute in kind. What's so appaling in this? They can base their games in whatever technology they want. If it doesn't run in my OS, then I will not play it, nor support the company that made them by running game servers. You can do that on your Windows box (oh, you and the "vast majority", sorry).
It's all really simple, but I guess that in the Games section (this is not aimed at you, at least not directly) here in/. most posters and moderators get pissed at everyone that doesn't dual-boot.
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Very true; I actually learnt the OpenStep API by using that NeXT book you mention and some GNUstep tutorials. My Obj-C experience is only on GNUstep (not Cocoa), but the information needed is the same.
On that note my next buy will be Programming in Objective-C; the reviews seem to indicate that it's a good book *and* ina rather unusual fashion as examples for both Cocoa and GNUstep.
...-asian women vomiting into each other's rectums while a midget bangs nails through his penis...
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Yes, ghastly...
What's the URL?
No, broken will be the inevitable sequel. *No* movie makes that kind of money without a sequel. The way I see it, we have about a year and a half before "THE PASSION 2: DAWN OF THE DEAD."
I'm only buying the Trilogy DVD set, after they release... "POTC 3: The Return of Judas"
Actually different developers prefere different licenses, and "noisy zealots" always pop up shouting "why not XXX instead of YYY? It's MORE FREE".
I was answering to yet another "BSD is more free" rant. I *prefer* the GPL, but don't have anything against BSD-like licenses. In the same way it's uncalled for (and flamebait) to say in the middle of a discussion about e.g. FreeBSD "they should use the GPL. IT'S MORE FREE" I'm rather fed up with the "OMG!OMG! BSD is MORE FREE!" in the middle of a discussion about the FSF.
As for the "busy doing stuff" you must live in a different reality.
BTW, it's probably not very clever to say that others are "ballyhooing" on Slashdot... in a Slashdot post.
Slipped the bloody "L" in the Wine license.
Because the FSF is much more than just a license? The FSF has be the one organization that for about 20 years has had a defined idea on what software freedom is and that has made it available. One can disagree with the FSF, but they are crystal clear about their goals, motivations and methodologies. The GPL is *one* part of that, albeit a very important part.
/. wrote after the Wine Project changed the license from the "more free" BSD-like that enabled Transgaming to pull that WineX crap: Developers chose the GPL, whiners prefered BSD.
On another note I'm fed up with this "blah blah blah more free blah blah blah" rant everytime the FSF is mentioned. I'm not even going to debate it. As someone here in
Yes, only counting "espresso" (see the other post for the espresso/expresso thing). This because an espresso is strionger than "normal" coffee but in the whole one consumes less cafeine.
wrtmute' post is correct, expresso is the portuguese equivalent for the italian espresso. I actually meant to write "espresso", but since the two words are so similar it crept in.
The contrary is also true though. I have travelled to Spain, Holland, France, Czeckia, etc and it's an ordeal to drink a regular "expresso" coffe. Some countries assume you want a largu cup of milk with coffee, others that you want a whole cup of some brown liquid they keep in a jar. Actually the only two places where coffee *is* expresso is Italy (of course) and Portugal.
Now that you mentioned it I think that I *never* saw any kind of coffee except expresso served here... so I guess this evens things up.
I'm Italian, and I don't drink coffee. And I certainly don't appreciate a story that portrays us (or technies for that matter) as coffee-swillers.
Dude, the fact remains that in the last Euro statistics I have red Italians were #1 household coffe drinkers ("expresso") and Portuguese were #1 out-of-house coffee drinkers (also "expresso").
Look at it this way: you might not drink coffee, but at least enjoy with the fact that if you did drink it you would be able to drink good one and not some creamed-watered-gigatic-soup-like mess.
Well, I have red the same thing about smokers due to the effect that nicotine has on the dopamin levels.
;) ) a day. I also smoke about 6 small cigars a day. I'm pretty much Alzheimer free, the only drawback is that I have a higher chance to actually not reach the age when Alzheimer generally appears *sigh*.
Since I'm portuguese I drink about 5/6 coffees ("expressos", the only real coffee
Uh? I never heard of Gentoo LiveCDs. Nobody I know ever mentioned Gentoo LiveCDs. I Know Knoppix, Gnoppix, DynaBolic and Linux BBS and some others, but not Gentoo.
I might be the only person in the world to be oblivious of the Gentoo LiveCD's market cornering. On the other hand you might be confusing what you like with World Domination. I love Debian, but for most people that I talk to Linux is RedHat or SuSE, so there would be little to be gained from saying that "Debian has the Linux desktop market cornered".
Not implying that you are not being honest in your observation though.
Now, to be fair, if I go on strike I would feel the company totally justified in letting me go after three days for job abandonment
Wow, laws in the USA must be very different! Going on strike is totally different from job abandonment, workers strike is a legally valid option for Unions, which is turn are legally valid organizations of workers. Nobody can be fired for being on strike for 3,4 or more days, since a strike is a legal and valid form of protest. Not going to work for 3 days is a totally unrelated matter since I suppose that those days were not accounted for legally (sickness, pregnancy, etc).
LOL! :)
The worst thing is that I had to read it again 3 times to understand what you were refering to
Well, XFree is pretty important, no doubt about that. But, as I see it, there are two different problems here that ultimatly will affect XFree86 more than the distros:
1) The version that falls under this new license in not very different from the previous one. There are improvements (and to some people they are big, e.g. support for they card) but it's not like it's a totally different codebase, most people with supported cards would probably not even notice the need. This is important because this makes things very easy to fork, and that is an option under consideration (read Theo's mail, for example). Couple that with freedesktop.org xlibs (see RedHat post) and you have the basis of a new X without this licencing problems (read Branden's (Debian) mail about more specific licencing issues).
2) I keep hearing reactions from X contributors that "XFree86 is not about Linux", basicaly asserting they would be fine or even better withour all this Linux distros bitching about their work. Well, if GNU/Linux and the BSD's drop the new X who exactly is going to use as a standard installed part of the system? Solaris x86 users? XFree86 importance and relevance is directly related to the widespread use of the Free Unices.
I would like to had that I'm quite happy about the rejection of the new licence being transversal across distributions and OS's; Mandrake, Debian, RedHat, Gentoo, OpenBSD, probably more will come once they reach a decision. This consensus is important because when it's just the FSF and Debian taking a position people dismiss it as "political rubish". Browse the previous discussions on this issue and you'll see people saying that this licence is only wrong for the FSF and Debian and that their will include the new XFree86 because they are pragmatics bla,bla,bla. This widespread agreement in rejecting the new licence shows that this issues *are* important and that in the long run *more* important that having a new graphic card supported.
I am, of course, very grateful to the XFree84 Project for their work. The fact that this licencing change was made in such an ungraceful mode does not affect that.
If you are telling me that with Debian (which seems to be you distro of choice) that you can get source kernel packages within days after the release, that's great. You can't with Redhat (not from Redhat anyway) and AFAIK not from SuSE or Mandrake (from the respective vendor/groups. Possible Fedora is different, but that still remains to be seen.
Actually I wasn't exactly saying that... it still holds true though (I had a 2.6 kernel package just some days after they were officially released), but that was not my main point. Debian is my distro, yes, but kernel packages are handled more or less the same way in all distros, at least from a user perpective. If not a few days, then a few months... I probably misunderstood the initial poster to which I replied since I was not implying a timeframe in my reply. In that, sure, Gentoo is good, since it depends on the original source code + plus some metadata. I was refering to package managing kernel images and sources, and that seems to be pretty well covered in all distros.
NeXT also came with Zilla, the predecessor to all grid computing that let the Zilla project steal unused cycles on all volunteer NeXT computers in the world.
Rather apropos GNUstep plug: Zillion.
It would be shameful to see Brazilian (Portuguese speaking) and a Mexican (Spanish) speak in English.
Ahh, but even that isn't simple... for a Brazilian and a Mexican maybe that would work, but in my experience (I'm portuguese) it's simpler to talk english with people from Spain (assuming that they know english). I always found that a portuguese speaker can more or less understand spanish, but the opposite is not true. This leads to:
so it seems that some day we might all need a little Spanish.
Yes, probably, because spanish speakers are either unable or simply don't want to learn any other language. This is probably because everybody else is polite enough to make the effort to communicate in spanish, so why should they bother? Do understand that I have family and friends in Spain, so this isn't a traditional "Portugal vs Spain" thing.
Oh, and the final thing to note: we could be both be talking in portuguese... but since we are writing in a english language forum we have the good taste of refraining to do so.
abracos,
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Sure you can. It's just easier with Gentoo as it is already in the packaging system with all the dependancies and excellent documentation to tell you how to do it.
And this is different from Debian in what regard? With kernel-package you can make any pristine linux source dir (or, of course, a kernel-source deb) into a deb ready to be installed with the modules and the appropriate deps. This is assuming you want to compile it, since you can just apt-get install kernel-image-[arch]-[version].
I would also assume that Redhat, SuSE and Mandrake provide the same, at least for binary packages of the kernel that are becoming more and more the norm instead of the exception.
The point here is that it seems to me that Gentto users assume that "OMG!OMG! I can emerge the kernel! Kewl!" is somewhat different in result than what other distros already have, i.e, everything seems new. It's great to like your distro of choice, but there are limits to what can be considered improvements.
Ummm, no, it mean that the system that you use is a i586 pc running Linux. That string describes your system, not the nmap target.
After all, if TCP/IP was so generous as to provide that string the -O option to nmap would be really simple.
While I might not have the educational system of the USA (in a general sense) in the greatest regard (relax, I don't hold my own in high regard) this apparent lack of knowledge is rather general. I remember Lunokhod very well but I was a) very interest in spacial exploration when I was a kid and b) most of the books I had were from the USSR (or from Novosti Press editions in Portugal).
The thing is, most of my classmates were not even interest in the whole subject, so for them Lunokhod or Appolo didn't meant anything. In the USA it's obvious that people have knowledge (or should have, it is after all a great thing to be prouf of) about their own space missions, but beyond that it's really down to curiosity and personal interest.
I would argue that most knowledge of this kind that people have is not directly derived from taking classes at school but it's a result of curiosity and self-reading. And perhaps rightly so.
What linux needs is to drop the stupid GPL and go with a BSD license to allow a company to dump a bunch of money into their own tree of linux and gaurentee that they could make their investment dollars back.
I fail to see any logic in this, for several reasons:
* The "stupid GPL" hasn't prevented companies from investing in Linux. This idea that "BSD-license is good for business" is contradicted by the number of companies investing and supporting Linux. The number of direct beneficts that users gain from Linux being GPL'ed should also be taken into account. An example: XFS and JFS can be used by any Linux user and directly improve their experience. This is contrary to the BSD's where most companies take * a lot * and give back very, very little.
* With your scenario exactly what would we gain from having a proprietary version of Linux running in a PDA? Once you allow proprietary forks much of the reaons for using a free OS disapear.
I have nothing against any of the BSD's or the BSD license. I use BSD AND BSD licensed programs. It's just that one should not assume that just because the BSD license allows proprietary forks this will somehow translate into the companies that take the code giving back as a "thank you". I'm sure there are companies that do this, but most of them just take without giving anything substancial back (or in direct proportions of their gains).
It is also understandable that companies prefer BSD code *for code that they didn't wrote*, since they can use them as they wish, but prefer GPL *for code that they made and are releasing under a free license*, since this prevents competitors from using the code without contributing back the changes and make them available to all.
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I don't get pissed about it. I think it's a relatively futile position to be in. People in your position think way too much in the sysadmin/OS-preference realm of things, and the people that love Linux and *nix just as much as you do that think in the gamer realm of things just dual-boot or have separate boxes/hardware for that specific purpose.
And that's an option, and a valid one. I didn't said that everybody should convert to my way of viewing it. I like games a lot, but I just play 1, 2 games, so my way of viewing this issue is molded by my own necessities. I play Q3/TrueCombat as my game, i.e. one sole game is enough to satisfy most of *my* gaming needs. To do this I don't need to dual-boot, so I don't need a Windows box.
Probably my biggest wish is that Linux will come full circle and be just as prevalent as Windows in the gaming market ( from a client point of view, not just backend server stuff -- which it is already prevalent ). I myself am not doing anything to bring this to bear, so I go to the lengths I deem reasonable to 'game'.
Well, not all of us are developers, and I personally also ain't contributing anything to bring that scenario. What I try to do is what I wrote: buy games that are natively ported to Linux. Since as I said my gaming needs are satisfied by one FPS I can avoid dual-booting. Again, this is *my* situation. This whole thread generated too much confusion... What I said (and reafirm) was that I would not support Valve by either paying them for a game or running servers since I've been driven off their games by their failure to support Linux. Since there are other games available this is not very hard for me (altough in the beginning... I was always beginning every Q3 mod with the memorized keybinding for buyng CS weapons).
As a part-time graphics programming hobbyist, I certainly wish that I could be as productive in Linux as I am in Windows. The fact is the drivers suck ass in Linux, even though I love the environment more and I'm more productive in that general sense -- the actual fruits of the labor just can't be brought to full bloom because of those driver issues.
I fully understand that. I also wished that all drivers were on par with Windows (mainly graphic and sound drivers). Hence my comment about buying from companies that at least try to provide good documentation and good drivers. Again, since I'm no developer,the only "help" I can give is giving my money to those that show some support.
Also, maybe it's just me but I view the whole WineX thing as hurting the hell out of the actual prospect of Linux gaining further ground in the gaming arena.
Agreed. While a nice thing to have (I wouldn't have played CS if not for wineX) in the long run they don't give motivation for companies to port their games.
This was however much worse some time ago... tuxgames features a large number of games (I bought Q3 from them). And I'm not only talking about Linux: OSX and *BSD would also benefit from more portable game engines.
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No, the reason why HL has had so many players is because people like the game. People wanted to play it, so they set up servers. Valve released a linux server because it's a good idea, so people often chose to set up linux servers.
That people like the game (actually, like the *mods*. If not CS HL would be dead long ago) is a given. But - and this might be specific for where I live - if not for the availability of Linux servers there would be not enough places for people to play. This was akin to UT.
Umm, why should they reward anybody ? They didn't ask anyone to set up linux servers. There are perfectly well running windows servers. They just gave you the option, and you took it.
That's rather obvious... Nobody forced me, of course. It's a simple case of expectations. I decided to run HL servers, then decided to stop running them. That's exactly what I said in my initial post.
So you care more about what OS the game server is running than the game itself ? Btw, I guess most people care more about the game than the server's OS. As you can see from gamespy.com's stats page, HL has (maybe ten times) more players than Q3 and UT players combined.
This is the part I don't understand. Do I care more about the OS than the game??? If the game doesn't run on my OS, what other option do I have?! This blind assumption that everybody has a Windows box to play games is hilariating. Most people care more about the game than the OS? So if HL2 was Cray-only you would still enjoy it? If I can't play the game doesn't that impact by enjoying it or not?
Your support effort" is nothing compared to "the real work they actually have to do" in order to get a DirectX 9 game running on linux (and btw, it is actually difficult).
You're mixing two different things. I, as a customer, don't really care about the ammount of work they have or not. You are also forgetting that choosing DirectX is, by itself, an indication of the importance they give to have their game running in non-Windows OS's. I support companies by buying things, voluntering time and/or skills, etc.
I don't know what's so hard to understand here. HL2 is windows-only, so I a) won't buy it and b) won'r run servers in Linux for people to play it.
oo hoo. You're such a martyr. The Linux community itself carried Half-Life to greatness -- wtf ever. Get over yourself.
/. most posters and moderators get pissed at everyone that doesn't dual-boot.
I'll try. Thanks for the advice.
Oh but wait, I'm sure the Linux community has carried OpenGL to greatness as well. Hell, most cards won't even work to their full potential under Linux and it's pathetic. "That's the fault of the card manufacturer's", you'd say -- so stop buying video cards as well so you can eventually sit in utter darkness proud of being a Linux martyr.
Er... you are actually right. When I make the decision to buy a graphic card (or any other hardware) I do so considering the level of support it has on Linux. I find this concept so simple to understand thay I don't quite follow your apparent objections. I also don't consider this decisions so difficult that one that makes them is a "martyr".
At this point, I think it's great when a game company takes the extra effort to release a server and/or client for Linux. However, I don't think it is absolutely necessary and I sure as hell don't judge them on whether they do or not. The vast majority of people still have their gaming boxes and their *nix laptop/desktop/dual-boot on the side, so it doesn't always make complete sense for the company to release anything for Linux in that sense.
Well, the "vast majority" can do what they want, really. I don't speak for the "vast majority". You have a Windows box just for gamming? How good for you! I don't. So it either works with Linux or it doesn't. The fact that you don't consider it "necessary" is totally irrelevant since your objective conditions are different than mine. You don't "judge" them by it because you have Windows installed. I - or Mac OSX, *BSD, etc users - "judge" software based on simple to understand things, like it actually working. If it doesn't it's rather worthless, no?
In HL2's case, everything was written to take advantage of DirectX's capabilities -- and summarily of ATI's on-chip DirectX capabilities. Both of those facts make Linux nearly impossible, or just way too much work to even give a shit.
Exactly! Just has Valve and you don't "give a shit" I retribute in kind. What's so appaling in this? They can base their games in whatever technology they want. If it doesn't run in my OS, then I will not play it, nor support the company that made them by running game servers. You can do that on your Windows box (oh, you and the "vast majority", sorry).
It's all really simple, but I guess that in the Games section (this is not aimed at you, at least not directly) here in