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Coffee is a "Health Drink"
WoodenRobot writes "Not that it would stop an Italian or a techie from drinking the stuff, but Chiara Trombetti, of the Humanitas Gavazzeni institute of Bergamo has reported that coffee, especially espresso, is good for you and provides numerous health benefits. All the more reason to tuck into a cup o' Joe - but no more than 3 or 4 cups a day."
For Good health - there's my first dose - nothing like a rich black brazilian coffee
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It's just as good as getting a hi-colonic (sp?) so keep on drinking those 4 cups a day and keep your colon clean as a whistle!
I'm shooting for 10 cups a day, maybe I can be the first self propelled man into space.
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Daily use prevents caffeine withdraw.
Just had my first double. Thanks, Krups!
...does this mean I should start? ;) I've never liked the stuff, and I manage to live without caffeine for the most part. (I don't drink soda, either.)
Personally, I find that tea is the way to go, so I hope they have a study that shows it's healthy too.
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Yes i read about it in a news magazine, that regular coffee drinkers are not so often in the group of persons who will suffer of the Alzheimer's disease when they are old.
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I vote for Lavazza Oro.
I had been using coffee, as well as water, as my preferred headache cure for quite a while.
However, caffiene withdrawl also creates headaches, and the article is a little on the vague side to suggest otherwise.
Most of the other news (antioxidants, tannin, good for the liver, and asthma relief) are pretty awesome, though. Again, I'd rather see this in more details - and I can't find any English links referring to dietician Chiara Trombetti.
Definitely good news for nerds and latte addicts everywhere.
-m.
Is it me or is coffee becoming more and more boring? Even starbucks can't turn me into a coffee drinker again.
The only health benifits I can see at my office would be for my co-workers.
Since it's their health that's in jeopardy if I dont get my coffee.
So you mean all these years when I thought I was being healthy and avoiding it... I've been hurting myself? Next you're going to tell me the large amounts of caffeine I don't ingest daily in the form of other beverages is also bad for me... if you'll excuse me though, it's 9:15 and I need to wait up before I get to work... while here at work.
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Ok - then what about caffiene soap? Will it make my arteries extra squeaky clean?
Ah... I've been waiting for an article just like this to ease that "I should drink less coffee" feeling. Now everytime I have such a foolish thought, I can remind myself that coffee is good for me, and I would be hurting myself if I didn't drink 2.5 gallons a day.
Dr Trombetti is adamant that a cup of milky coffee could make the ideal start for the next generation of coffee lovers - Italy's drowsy school kids - stimulating their brains ahead of a day that often lasts from 0830 until 1600.
When I wash their age, I wash in shcool from sheven pm the night before to nine pm every shingle day! And I tell you what, shonny, I liked it and didn't need no shtinkin' coffee, no siree! And we didn't have no shtinkin' 24-hour time neither!
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"Coffee is a health drink" my ass.
I eat my coffee with a fork.
Caffeine is not as strong as ephedrine, but it still works in some what the same way.
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If that is not enough a good dose of lack of sleep will make anyone lose weight
it's the matter of pros and cons - like for every thing in our lives. some aspect of coffe are good to healt some are bad. thats just the way things are in life :-)
The article says, "It can relieve headaches." Isn't that just plain obvious. Especially considering that the most common headache relieved by coffee is in fact caused by caffeine withdrawl.
Besides that, this article is obviously lacking in supporting information. What did this "scientific" study involve? Was this simply a look at the components of coffee: antioxidants, tannin, etc? Or was it a double blind study that looked at the long term effects of 4 cups a day?
Are you Corn Fed?
Every so often a news item comes out about the benefits of coffee or whatever, followed by the news item that comes out within weeks that completely contradicts it. Happened before and it will happen again.
/. will kick and scream about duplicate stories.
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Coffee (preferably espresso) is vital to my health. Of course, I'm thinking more along the lines of preventing a subdural hematoma caused by my forehead slamming onto my desk. Coffee is a great preventative for that.
Ignorance is the root of all evil.
Quick! I haven't had my morning cup of "scientific study that 'proves' what I want to believe". I'm going to be a jittery wreck for the rest of the day if I can't get justification for my ridiculously bad nutritional habits!
I'm Italian, and I don't drink coffee. And I certainly don't appreciate a story that portrays us (or technies for that matter) as coffee-swillers.
It's really not good journalism to post material like that guys.
Cool. Coffee is now good for you. Beer (and any other form of alcohol) is good for you. Now I just need to find out bacon is healthy too, and maybe I'll be less likely to get a heart attack!
I've found that post-migrane consumption of coffee helps me out a lot. Perhaps this is an excuse to start drinking the stuff like water.
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Don't forget that the longer coffee beans are roasted, any coffee brewed from them will have less caffeine. Of course, darker roasted coffee tends to be more bitter and possibly more acidic (especially true of steam-brewed coffees, such as espresso). But, the tiny bit of acid and tannins in coffee is probably nothing compared to the damage done by caffeine (hey, I'm an addict - I live with it).
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Keep in mind that an Italian saying coffee is good for you -- even with the disclaimer that she personally hates it -- only goes so far.
I like it too, and I consume loads here in Italy -- but she has a vested interest in saying that espresso is the best of all types to drink.
Why? Because you really have to try hard to find 'long coffee' or caffe' americano here. It's almost impossible. I remember a year ago watching a French girl flip her lid at some poor barista because he couldn't understand that she wanted the 'long coffee' instead of the syrupy stuff. And she was shouting at him in English, which was most amusing. She'd have had more success using French...
Also, no other nationality fetishises food to the extent the Italians do. I'll leave it there.
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I read the article and it's just too damn short. "It COULD do this and it COULD do that". "It has anti-oxidants and that's good". Well duh. It also has caffeine which some health nuts say is good for you (raises metabolism, messes with your appetite, gives you energy to work out) and it can be bad for you (making you dependent on it, screwin' with your metabolism, etc). Coffee also supposedly messes with your cortisol levels (which is partly responsible for giving the fat gathering around the waist area).
My point is, you'll see reports say it's healthy, you'll see reports say it's bad for you. I've seen more detailed reports saying it's bad and just a few "well it could be good for you" reports saying it's good.
Shall we discuss if wine is good or bad for us now?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts...for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang
(Let's all remember our junkie lessons from John Waters' movie Female Trouble, where they're shooting up in one scene: " 'Liquid eyeliner', taken internally, enhances one's beauty awareness." Bah, hahahaah!)
Intelligent Design: because MATH is HARD.
I've just been told to ditch all caffiene and salt after having a blood pressure reading of 156/100 up from 130/90 at Christmas. But I do drink the stuff excessively. Will have to show this to my health nurse.... :) am currently eating lots of nuts and juice in an effort to ditch a few pounds (am not fat! just technically overwieght) and bring the blood pressure down....
Guess I'm screwed with the 3 or 4 pots a day I consume!
I can quit anytime...I do not have a problem!
"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson
Same thing as the Atkins Diet - Animal Rights groups didn't like The Atkins Diet - protein = meat - so they put out a bogus study that Atkins died because of Atkins.
Same thing happen with beer/alchohol - one week a study will come out that says beer is bad, next week "binge drinking" is epidemic or drunk driving is on the rise.
When stories are reported like this it should be a requirement for the journalist to cite the sources and the backgrounds of those sources should be published in the footnotes so "true thinkers" can easily pick up on propoganda.
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If not, they can feel free to give me a call and I'll be glad to hold forth on my semi-informed views on all sorts of things.
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
caffeine can kill you if you have an ulcer in you stomach. of course, the chances are about 1 in a billion. pot smokers know this. they have built up a defense that includes figuring out all the common foods that can kill you.
raw potatoes can kill you too. that one's a lot more common.
Oh good, I'm in the clear! Wheh!
I usually stop at 3 pots a day myself.
Wait a minute, what's this? CUPS! CUPS!!
Shit! I thought they said POTS!
Damn rtfa stuff again...
Seriously...if I make coffee or smell it, I can feel the dogs scratchin' at the door and I gotta let them out quick. It's amazing the power of coffee. Anyone else just SMELL the stuff and feel the need to take the browns to the super bowl?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts...for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang
I know what the short term effects of coffee are, and right now I like them. I can't keep up with what is in the good and bad columns - I eat and drink pretty much what I want, when I want it. I trust my body to let me know what I need, say when I crave oranges. I'll eat them.
It could be argued that no matter what you do, eat, or drink, you're going to die. I just try for moderation. Except for the smooth taste of Mercury. Oh that silvery stuff is refreshing and irresistable! And what a compliment to Lead!
tannin and antioxidants and many health benefits, is it so wrong of me to mix the two and drink my espresso/wine drink approximately every fifteen minutes from the time I wake up to the time I ...try to go to sleep? Why won't my wife/ex-boss/judge understand I'm doing this for my health?!?
Heroin is a happy hour cocktail...
Every other month a new study says, "Eggs are bad... Eggs are good" "salt is bad... salt is good" "Beer is good for you... beer is bad"
"coffee is good... coffee is bad"
Everything causes cancer (not sure who to attribute that saying to)...
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That's - if I may - is a very nice article. It's a little too heavy on the hyphens - if you see what I mean.
A dash annoying - I would say.
But Dr Trombetti is adamant that a cup of milky coffee could make the ideal start for the next generation of coffee lovers - Italy's drowsy school kids - stimulating their brains ahead of a day that often lasts from 0830 until 1600.
I doubt my wife would agree with the doctor. heck, instead of buying expensive drugs for ADD, just give you kid some good coffee.
So if you want to have the same results in the US, you can easily drink 3 times the amount mentioned in the Italian report.
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(Initial text of the article:)
Coffee-breaks sabotage employees' abilities
18:41 13 February 04 NewScientist.com news service Taking a coffee break at work may actually sabotage employees' ability to do their jobs and undermine teamwork instead of boosting it, suggests new research. Dosing up on caffeine is particularly unhelpful to men, disrupting their emotions and hampering their ability to do certain tasks, suggests a report by psychologists Lindsay St Claire and Peter Rogers at Bristol University in the UK. Many people take coffee breaks at work believing this will reduce their feelings of stress. But theories about the effects of caffeine are conflicting. Some studies suggest caffeine can worsen anxiety and trigger stress, while others show it boosts confidence, alertness and sociability, making certain tasks easier. But this latest report, released by the UK's Economic and Social Research Council on Friday, backs the view that coffee exacerbates stress, especially in men, and makes people less co-operative when working in teams. "Our research findings suggest that the commonplace tea or coffee break might backfire in business situations, particularly where men are concerned," says St Claire. "Far from reducing stress, it might actually make things worse."
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When in the middle of gradschool I decided that I was drinking too much coffee (silly me), I started having gallstone problems...
Because you're not a plant?
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Red face, palpitations, slight paranoia and bizarrely, extreme short-sightedness (I normally have 20-20 vision). Wore off after 3-4 hours but it was scary as hell.
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take off every filter!
Couldn't resist.
Some things are healthy for the body, some things are healthy for the mind, and what's good for the body is not necessarily good for the mind and vice-versa.
For instance, during my finals at university getting blindingly drunk at the weekends was probably very bad for my body, but it really helped my mind. It got rid of the stress and I felt fresh again going back to my study. I'm not joking, I think it really helped.
It's like some people can't function properly unless they've had a coffee or a ciggie. May not be healthy for their body, but it helps their mind function.
Civet Coffeee--made from coffe beans that have been partially digested and excreted by the Civet (of SARS fame). Read more here. Freaky.
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Gack what a fluff piece that is. I notice there's NOTHING about the effect long-term use can have on your kidney (not that I'm quoting any source, I'm just sayin'.)
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Is VERY VERY Healthy for everyONE IN MY OFFICE THAT I GET TO HAVE MY GODDAMN COFFEE, AND DON'T BUG ME TILL (sip) I'm done. Because I'm a much calmer reasonable person after I've had my little cup of happiness.
You're not a plant, but you wouldn't want to ingest the herbicides in common use on lawns everywhere.
here's a metric conversion of 1 cup
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Coffee (or soda) is a great part of the solution to hangovers. No more than 1-2 servings though, coupled with some Vitamin E and a good dose of B-complex, a little starch and fat if you really overdid it, and 15 minutes later, you start feeling human again.
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
Mmm, bacon.
Intelligent Design: because MATH is HARD.
4 cups or less is good for you? But I don't even feel alive until my fifth...
In an unprecedented move today, an international body of scientists declared in a press conference the findings of their latest array of studies. The scientists surprisingly came to a conclusion that they had finally managed to not find anything that is in any way detrimental to your health and stated that people should just live the way they like and not care about potential consequences to their health.
The results of the study have raised some rare disagreements amongst the community of scientists, but the consensus seems to be that all our health and nutrition related problems are over. The board of directors at the tobacco-giant Philip Morris, as well as CEOs of multinational food and beverage corporations such as Pepsi and McDonalds heralded the results as groundbreaking.
When interviewed after the press conference, one of the scientists involved in the study revealed that he had some misgivings about drawing such near-sighted and overtly optimistic conclusions, but also stressed that the benefits of letting people finally do what the fuck they want and slowly kill themselves in the process were much preferred to the endless bickering and whining about whether something is good for you or not. The scientists concluded his statement by saying that: "Every one of us has to leave this world at some point or other", but that "the fat pig over there munching Cheetos is gonna be one of the first ones to go".
Several other scientists were quoted as not giving a fuck about it either.
One thing to keep in mind about the 3 to 4 cup recommended limit -- they mean "cup" as in the liquid measure, ie. 250 mL. One large coffee, depending on where you get it, can easily have more than 2 cups in it...
how can something that makes my piss stink *so bad* be good for me?!? IT CAN NOT BE!
"This above all, to thine own self be true"
it's almost as good as the atkins diet: "eat your steak, honey. all those fruits and vegetables have spoiled your appetite!"
on the other hand, i feel a lot better about going for my third cup of joe today. i love the little pitter-patter of my heart going completely insane.
-ninjaneer
That coffee is a diarrhetic and should be accompanied by two times as much water.
... but I'm sure I could stop drinking Cappachino throughout the day if I wanted to. I'm certain I could. It's just that I never seen the reason to quit yet - that's all.
I don't have a cite right now, but I remember reading a study which said that caffeine enlarges the blood vessels for a period, allowing for a more rapid flow. That's why you feel like you're thinking quicker. That's why caffeine can be a good quick fix for migraines. And that's why withdrawal can lead to headaches of its own. (You get used to the expanded passages)
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Some Tea's are higher in caffeine than coffee
Please name a type of tea that is higher in caffeine than coffee (per serving or cup, or however you want to define it).
Unless you're suggesting to "brew the Earl Grey a little stronger". In which case, I'll respond, "brew my coffee a little stronger".
"Dr Trombetti is adamant that a cup of milky coffee could make the ideal start for the next generation of coffee lovers - Italy's drowsy school kids - stimulating their brains ahead of a day that often lasts from 0830 until 1600."
So in other words:
"All your kids are belong to us" - Sincerely, The Coffee Industry
Cripes! Pretty damn scary. Does this sound as eerily hollow as the cigarette "research" in the US decades ago funded and promoted by the industry-run Tobacco Institute?!?
Just reading your post is enough to have to send the Seals on a night mission, with only the moon for illumination. Or stock the pond with brown trout. Or dunk the Oompa Loompas at the Chocolate factory. Or make like the Cadbury bunny. Or start construction on my underwater theme park. Or bring the kids to the water slide. Or play the tuba backwards. Or eat a Snickers in reverse. Or deliver packages for UP-ass. Or give the pipes something to think about. Or take Billy Ruben to church. Or work my part-time job at Fanny Farmer. Or recreate Pangea. Or...ok thanks, I'm done.
"You know you're old when you remember when bacon, eggs, and sunshine were all good for you." What with Adkins and all of the pro-egg commercials, all we've got left is sunshine to conquer to return to status quo...
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Darn it. Then I guess I built this for nothing.
That's right, I'm a Coffee Achiever!!!
Although I can't pin the dates, I remember an ad campaign from many many moons ago (70's? 80's?) about how you should "be a Coffee Achiever!!", with similarly extoled virtues of coffee (cafine) to boost your day.
And we've come back to it. How quaint.
What is left out is the sentence stating that those same headaches were caused by caffine withdrawal.
Off to Dunkin Donuts for my medicine. Anybody want me to pick something up?
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According to the caffiene research done on mice (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2211652.stm) they applied the stuff to the skin of the mice and found that it helped to either prevent skin cancer or even kill it in some cases, however oral ingestion would require a large amount that is more than likely unhealthy in most cases (read abnormal for anyone who doesn't read /. :)) to have that effect on the skin (it gets diluted when it spreads through the body). This will more than likely help, providing that research is correct.
The man was 72 for gosh sakes - that's relatively close to life expectancy - I don't expect many 72 year olds to survive being cut by opening sardines much less falling!
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Personal testimony. I did some long haul driving in the past year and thanks to coffee, I managed not to kill a few people.
I'm healthy, they're healthy. Everybody wins.
Further proof: It's 'kicking' for enemas. [I'm told]
Chiara Trombetti, of the Humanitas Gavazzeni institute of Bergamo
Who? From where?
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I saw a report on NBC not too long ago that people who drink 5 or more cups of coffee per day were 70% less likely to develop type II diabetes. They stated that it was unknown at this point if it's the caffeine or some other substance found in coffee, but that it was definitely significant finding.
Chiara Trombetti, of the Humanitas Gavazzeni institute of Bergamo
That is a mouthful, I tried running this through a language translater but still returned nothing useful. Looks like an adlib
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Places like the ones in Ithaca,NY (USA) which serve the local 'Gimme Coffe!' are very good. Starbucks just doesn't compare and you get the added warm feeling of supporting a local business.
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stimulates drowsy children's brains long throughout the day...
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I love coffee, and espresso is awesome! I drink like 12 big cups of espresso everyday and it's super super super super superrrrrrr....um...what was I saying? WHO CARES! Another sip!
I'm typing this on my treadmill right now while playing my guitar and espresso and coffee and espresso makes this happennnnning for meeeeee.
It givesss me so mucch time to work on thingz tooo since I don't have to worrry about sleeep anymore. I haven't slept since 1983 and looke at me! Alert! Perceptive! Razor sharp!
Have to go, working on my cure for cancer and have a roast in the oven while painting a self-portrait!
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Seriously folks, can the news possibly get any better for us Nerds?
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Anyway, it's nice to see that coffee is good for your liver. Even more reason that it's the perfect hangover fix -- takes away the headache AND fixes the damage you did to your liver the previous night... :)
Interesting fact: The quanity of caffiene present in coffee causes calcium leaching in your bones, thus weakening them. So if you are going to drink a lot of coffee, supplement some calcium pills every morning and drink plenty of milk.
Found something more from the site of Humanitas Gavazzeni institute:
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The article quoted by BBC:
http://www.humanitasalute.it/int_focus.html? id_p=9 45
Another article on similar subjet, from a few months ago:
http://www.humanitasalute.it/int_stilidivita
Google translation of the first article (with a bit of editing from me):
Coffee, all the health in three cups
The liver helps, alleviates badly of head is effective against the asthma crises. Defects? Not to misuse of.
Million Italians go crazy for the aroma of the coffee, but they believe features of one bad habit, because often the searches of it put in evidence only the negative characteristics and never those positive ones. Many ignore it but the coffee has also many effects benefits for the health and is one promoted drink to full ballots in food habits, pact not to misuse of and not to exceed the three or four cups to the day.
Some cup to the day, in fact, is to greet for the arteries, for the liver, it helps the line and it alleviates badly of head is that features of expressed, American or prepared coffee with the moka and, moreover, do not have calories practically.
We make the point with Chiara Trombetti , dietologist of Humanitas Gavazzeni of Bergamo.
Which are the benefits of the coffee on the health?
"Coffee" Chiara Trombetti explains "helps to protect the arteries because it contains some elements like the tannin and other polifenoli that have a anti-oxidant power, four times more effective than one cup of green tea. Moreover, he is a friend of the liver because it contributes to prevent of some diseases like the cirrosi hepatic and the biliary calculosis thanks to the diterpeni (kawehol and cafestol), substances that have the ability protect and to reinforce epatociti (the cells of the liver) from the aggressions of these diseases. In particular, it is above all the coffee prepared with the moka and tasted bitter that, sipped after the meal, the liver in the digestion helps. The coffee, then, continues Chiara Trombetti "may help during the asthma crises because caffein has a broncodilatatore effect and reduces, therefore, the strain of respiratory muscles improving the exhaled volume (until quite to two hours after drinking one cup). Finally, to the contrary of what commonly it is believed, the coffee badly alleviates of head thanks to its vasocostrittore power (shrinks is gone blood) and is slightly analgesic. To case in medicinal ones made up of paracetamolo (it does not use you as pain-killers) is contained also caffein.
And is it true that helps also to maintain the shape?
"coffee's caffein" continues Chiara Trombetti "contains a stimulating substance that contributes to accelerate the metabolism immediately rendering the fat people available like energy for physical activity. For this it has an important role in the maintenance of the shape. If, in fact, beyond following a diet a coffee cup is consumed then to fine meal engaging itself for approximately half an hour in the movement, the fat people assumed with their food come burn to you with more facility. Moreover, the coffee does not add calories to the diet because a cup without added milk or sugar does not exceed the two calories.
But a type of coffee is worth another?
"actually is several types of coffee and they are not all equal one" it clears Chiara Trombetti. "espresso it more contains elevated doses of caffein regarding that one prepared with the moka and maintains its beneficial property stable, while in the second they are flown them, therefore, for trarne the advantages, is advisable to drink endured it after to have prepared it. The coffee American , instead, is thought from much less strongly than espresso and 'acquoso'. In truth, it contains the caffein double quantity and it is a valid aid in order to maintain high attention, but the present caffein amount is better not to exceed the two glasies to the seen day. That one d? I luff, t
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dont forget that an italian espresso has roughly 120/140 mg of caffeine in it : that's 3 cans of coke or 1 liter of it, depending on which side of the anglopond you are
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...hell no, you're not done. You forgot the old tried and true, albeit less picturesque, "pinch off a loaf."
...it's the adenosine crash.
all those coffee drinkers with horrible, stinking breath? It seems to happen after some number of drinks have been consumed, where that number is not small. Thankfully, there are only a couple of people in my office that consume that much.
All I'm sayin': it doesn't smell too heathful.
because it's a real mix of correct and wrong or too simple.
A main property of caffeine is its inhibition of some phosphdiesterases. Cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) is a common intracellular signaling molecule, and there are phosphodiesterases that degrade it, terminating its action. Caffeine is structurally similar enough to cAMP to interact with phosophdiesterases, competing with cAMP. The importance of cAMP in so many signaling pathways is a reason that the actions of caffeine are so diverse.
Viagra acts similarly, except that its specificity for a certain phosphodiesterase is high and that pathway involves cGMP (guanosine).
I doubt your physiological cascade. By adrenaline glands, do you mean adrenal glands?
I, for one, welcome our caffeinated overlords.
I've found that pre-migraine consumption of coffee helps me avoid the worst of it. Seriously, when I start getting mild 'aura' - that impending sense of doom that differs from mere headache - a two or three shots of espresso in time can actually avoid a migraine. This has worked for me multiple times over the last 6 years at better than an 80% hit rate I'd say. In fact it's the one time I break my 'no-caffiene' rule. I love coffee, but caffiene on the whole really doesn't suit me.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning,
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
This guy is way out there
Whooee... Nothing like the bean scene.. Just brew it hot as fire, black as night, and make it taste just a little like tractor gas. Black tar caffene! Gotta have MORE! abbabababa----Zing!
What you guys need is the new "Big Tim" cup from Tim Hortons.
This Coffee cup holds an entire pot of coffee and keeps it warm all day long. Also it has a big warning on it NOT TO DRINK FROM IT. But I do anyways. All it looks like is a giant coffee cup. For sure it would be a good gift for the coffee drinkers alike.
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This makes me what's what's better coffee or green tea?
Good Japanese and Chinese green tea is light years away from Lipton. Personally, I like a hand rolled smoked Chinese variety that, when steeped 20 minutes, is smooth, not bitter, very tasty and makes an espresso seem like training wheels.
Smoother come up and bring down than coffee too.
Now with anti oxidents and tannins in green tea (like the article states for coffee), what's really better for ya?
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If you disagree with/dont like the results of a study just wait awhile. Someone else will come up with a study that says the opposite
but she has a vested interest in saying that espresso is the best of all types to drink.
Why? Because you really have to try hard to find 'long coffee' or caffe' americano here. It's almost impossible.
<patronising>Well of course, it is the best of all types. Except maybe cappuccino.</patronising>
Seriously, in Italy you don't find american "coffee" for the simple reason there is no demand. We call it rather sewer water... nothing personal, just the personal opinion of 58 millions. As for the French girl, I suffered so much from French "coffee" (another sewer outlet) the time I was in Grenoble, that that serves her good :-)))
Also, no other nationality fetishises food to the extent the Italians do.
Dammit, we have mafia, we have politicians (no wait, I said that already), this time of the year we have bad weather too, can you at least indulge in some food vanity? :-)
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And my personal favorite, being a techie... I'm going to go download some brownware!
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It's not clear from the article that other beverages don't provide more benefits with fewer costs.
I myself, would hate to be dependent on any substance.
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I'm glad they point out that caffeine isn't for everyone. Some of us suffer from anxiety disorders and caffeine is definitely not helpful. I'm fortunate that I don't have an issue with it anymore, but I could some day.
Frankly, tea (black and green) are much better for you than coffee in terms of the anti-oxidants. Tea is loaded with them, with or without caffeine. Tea also has flavonoids which on top of being an anti-oxidant, is also acts as a vasodilator, making the arteries more flexible and less likely to rupture, something important for people with high blood pressure.
And the benefits don't end with cancer and the heart. Tea also makes the bones (and teeth) stronger. In fact, it's been shown to reduce the damage caused by osteoperosis.
So, while I enjoy my occasional cup of coffee, I'll continue to drink my 6-8 cups of tea a day.
There are basicaly two varieties of coffee on the world market, Robusta and Arabica. Arabica is much higher quality than Robusta.
It is essential for drink quality and final effect to use a 100% Arabica, not a cheaper Arabica-Robusta mix nor plain Robusta. Check your package for note about what variety it's made from, if it does not have any it's just a cheap Robusta.
I use to drink about 6-7 pots daily and 4-5 pots nightly, so really I CAN feel the difference!
There you are, staring at me again.
uh, NO. having spent half a year there, the little monsters were swarming the bus system by 1pm every day. Not to mention the ludicrous amounts of vacation time they get. They do have to get up pretty early, though.
Seriously, coffee helps my gut "run" correctly.
:)
With timing and dosage, I can get my "business" done during the lulls in the day. And after a bout of drinking (and thus dehydration) it helps out re-start things again.
I hear that over time helps reduce the probability of colon cancer, as well as keeping me happy.
...for an alcoholic.
Ha ha ha, wheee!!! You're so funny. I want you to be the clown at my birthday parteeee!!!!
WHEEEEEE!
IOW, YUO = MORAN
I'll enjoy a healthy pot of java while I enjoy my healthy bucket of KFC!
My personal favourite.. "Negotiating the release of some brown hostages."
uploading to the porcelain recylce bin, or make like Jackson Pollack and do some splatter paintings.
My wife's brother and his family were visiting us from Brazil. I was a big coffee drinker at the time. I admit that I'd dump a lot of sugar and milk into my coffee, I like the coffee candy or coffee ice cream flavor.
So my sister-in-law made a pot of coffee with sugar in the basket. I didn't know. I got my mug, dumped my usual amount of sugar in it, and got a cup of the coffee she made, almost made me throw up.
Stupid sexy Flanders.
Drop the kids off at the pool
The "tea is different!" confusion generally comes up because caffeine can also be called theine -- it's the same chemical, though. Tea's got a lot of healthy stuff in it, but its stimulant properties work exactly the same way as coffee's -- via caffeine. The only significant difference is the average dosage.
I think that this study, coupled with some other recent research, pretty much conclusively proves that I will live forever.
... i found Caffeine FAQ which discusses some of the myths typical of any discussion about coffee.
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Dammit, in my job I don't survive without 3 or 4 dozen.
Dr Trombetti says she hates the stuff herself - but points to a welter of scientific evidence to back her case.
Hmmm... a "welter" is a "chaotic, jumbled mess" according to webster. Personally I've always preferred my scientific evidence presented in an orderly fashion. Even more, I like double-blind random scientific studies, but they're not even hinted at in this article.
Coffee contains tannin and antioxidants, which are good for the heart and arteries, she says. It can relieve headaches. It is good for the liver - and can help prevent cirrhosis and gallstones. And the caffeine in coffee can reduce the risk of asthma attacks - and help improve circulation within the heart.
I'm sorry to break it to "doctor" Trombetti but these are claims, not evidence. See above comment regarding the absence of scientific studies.
There is no denying that coffee is not for everyone. If you drink too much it can increase nervousness, and cause rapid heartbeat and trembling hands.
Ah, here's the interjected token fact to try to induce readers into a feeling that facts are being recited throughout. Sorry, no sale.
Fact: Coffee may be good for you, it may be bad for you. Fact: Scientifically speaking, this article does nothing to change the preponderance of evidence supporting the latter.
- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
I'm pretty sure someone in this crowd remembers these studies as well. Problem is people will do anything to justify their habits whether they are bad or not. Sure coffee is good for your health, take 5-6 cups per day, you'll be far more productive, but hey don't blame the drink if you get hedgy a lot more often, get more headaches than the average people, grown more intolerant and phobic and have already been diagnosed for a couple burn outs.
Looking in the mirror honestly, now that is a problem everyone have and can't seem to do. Wonder why?
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I hope someone else finds this as funny as I do.
Not to be mean, but these little fluff science pieces just don't cut it. These days, knowing how the popular media spit out "science" reports without checking it, this item could be junk science for all I know unless I see the hard data including a serious peer review to cross check the findings.
/. ?? You guys are putting me to sleep with dull items like this. I need another cup of coffee.
A coffee review on
"So what's wrong with your coffee habit? How about low energy, extra stress, mineral depletion, exhausted adrenal glands, indigestion, anxiety and mood swings":
Caffeine, Grounds for Concern?
I thought it was "downloading steaming media".
Sorry, gotta dump core.
I have tried some of them. They are another good reason for drinking lots of coffee.
"Until you do what you believe in, how do you know whether you believe in it or not?" -- Leo Tolstoy
I thought it was the other way around. Ibuprofen is an anti-inflamatory and _dilates_ the blood vessels.
I speak from personal experience when I say that you should really have those headaches checked out to see if they're real migranes or not. My mother used to have serious migranes, so when I started having thought- and motion-imparing headaches, my family assumed that I just inherited the problem. Ten years later, a friend suggests to me that my regular problem with headaches might be caffeine withdrawal and that I should pay attentiont to what I drink. Lo and behold, my habit of drinking 2-3 glasses of Coke at every restraunt meal clashed with my habit of drinking (caffeine-free) ginger ale at home.
Long story short, I quit drinking caffeine and started drinking water, and my chronic headache problem was gone. I've gone months between headaches (as opposed to a couple of days). My rare headaches hurt a lot less now, and I no longer have to worry about stammering, having facial ticks, or being extremely sensitive to light. While I miss the taste of Coke with my meal, I don't miss the sensation of a knife jamming through my left eye every time my heart beat.
Seriously, monitor your caffeine intake and get informed about the caffeine content of drinks that you enjoy. If you have an irregular intake, you should try going cold turkey to see if your headaches stop after a couple of weeks.
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Arggggh! Not this article while I'm trying to get clean. Going cold turkey, 44 hours and counting. No coffee, no soda, only juice, milk and water. Arrrggh! Must resist temptation to ingest sweet, sweet caffeine.
Seriously, caffeine withdrawal is no fun. I had a serious headache last night, something that happens very rarely for me. Getting better though.
sorry i spoke before I RTFA.
"Some Tea's are higher in caffeine than coffee, so you may not be as caffeine-free as you thought."
While it's certainly possible to create a cup of tea and a cup of coffee, with the cup of tea having more caffeine than the cup of coffee, that's not how it works in actual daily life.
Check the Caffeine FAQ
From one list, for 7 oz servings:
Drip coffee = 115-175 mg of caffeine
Espresso = 100
Brewed coffee = 85-135
Instant coffee = 64-100
Brewed tea = 40-60
Instant tea = 30
Iced tea = 41 (i.e., 70 for 12 oz)
Other lists from other sources are there, and they are similar.
Green tea is even lower than black tea. From Stash Tea, we have:
5 oz cup of coffee = 80 mg
One bag of black tea = 40
One bag of green tea = 20
Health wise, green tea r00lz! But black tea is good for variety, and gives benefits as well.
Of course, the amount you actually get depends on how long you brew the tea. I tend to prefer tea brewed for a much briefer time than many people: I like around 2 minutes, and shudder a bit when 5 bits is recommended, let alone when I see people leave the bag in the cup for 10 minutes or more. Yech. When you brew too long, you are adding mostly acid and yucky taste.
I drink about 2 pots of coffee a day. The first one only last me a couple hours. After that I have to slow down, overdosing on caffeine is not fun. The withdrawl is terrible! I must be one HEALTHY HEALTHY guy, actually I can tell the coffee has adverse affects, but I gotta have that black love in the morning.
Chiara Trombetti, of the Humanitas Gavazzeni institute of Bergamo
Yeah, that means a whole lot to me, let's all go drink coffee because some guy (who nobody knows of) tells us to. *sarcasm*
I say that cigarettes are good. Someone write an article about that, and for the love of god, start smoking if you care about your health!
what they forgot to mention in the article is that most people enjoy coffee with exorbitant amounts of sugar (or even worse, artificial sweeteners).
so unless you like your coffee black and bitter, drinking 3-4 cups a day will always be unhealthy.
This is why coffee is good
Warning
check out this link to see what might be in your coffee cup. http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2004/01/20 /civet_coffee_good_to_the_last_dropping/
I realize you probably don't actually care about the origins of the phrase, but being the wordfreak that I am, I'm going to answer anyway. *grin*
Here's one result
Here's another
And yet another
They all point to Secretary of the Navy Josephus ("Joe" - get it?) Daniels.
"I came here to chew bubble gum & kick ass...and I'm all out of bubble gum"
I'd like to add to this jolly thread, but I've got to go curl a steamer.
You just trolled yourself. That's so weird.
ASPIRIN thins blood.
You also forgot my all-time favorite "gotta go lay some cable".
coffee, especially espresso, is good for you
Oh God, I knew it! Pan T. Hose: 1. Psychiatrists: 0!
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
You almost hit on my standard euphemism, there, but not quite. . .
My system is almost like clockwork in this respect - 45 minutes after downing the first cup of coffee, it's time to drop some friends off at the pool.
If you drink too much it can increase nervousness, and cause rapid heartbeat and trembling hands.
Wow... did not know that.
I happened to watch something more informative but less optimistic about coffee last night on PBS.
This was Dr. Perricone who has a diet book and all that.
There are plenty of reasons not to drink coffee. Coffee (and not necessarily just caffeine) elevates the hormone cortisol. Cortisol is a "stress" hormone that is needed but can do nasty stuff like:
Now what is recommended is green tea which is loaded with anti-oxidants, much more than coffee. It also has the caffeine without the cortisol raising effect.
I've been trying to get into green tea but it's just not the same as coffee.
In fact, I'm about to get a cup of joe right now...
If it's that addictive it can't be good for you.
and a very very expencive tea it is.
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"And tea almost certainly has more caffeine than your precious espresso."
The Caffeine FAQ disagrees with you.
Espresso = 100 mg caffeine per 7 oz
Brewed tea = 40-60 mg caffeine per 7 oz
So does Stash Tea.
5 oz cup of coffee = 80 mg
One bag of black tea = 40
One bag of green tea = 20
Surely you know "Chiara" is the same as "Claire"...
Besides, if she was from John Hopkins or elsewhere in the US would you rest easier? These kinds of scientists move around a lot, you know.
I'm italian, and when I read something like "a big cup of expresso" I know you do not know what you are talking about, or at least you are not drinking 12 "espresso" coffes a day. That's insane.
:)
I'm an AC, anyway, so flame me!
I think you're a little too afraid of homosexuality. Either that, or you should make sure you don't order a latte from Joe.
I would imagine that the headache is caused by dehydration since the person who is consuming large quantities of coffee is probably not drinking much water.
I drink 3 liters of water a day in addition to the usual 4-6 cups of coffee a day and my kidneys have never been happier.
Reminds of a store near where I used to work a few years back that apparently didn't have a clue about how espresso ought to be served. I got a 2 decilitre cup of it for less than a euro.
Yeah, I drinked them, regularly. But hey, I'm Finnish so it doesn't count;)
NOOOOOOOO !, That more mind warping then looking at Darl McBride and Bill Gates making out ....
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The "Big Tim" cup is awesome! It holds 60oz of the most addictive coffee in North America (Tim's) anybody who argues has never experienced Tim's withdrawal(Severe Migraines). Lucky for me I live in the Tim Horton capital of the world, Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada.
Not that it would stop an Italian...
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Not that it's worth mention, but imports of coffee to the US are greater than any other nation. Time to quit mentioning smellier european countries in that 'HELLO WISCONSON' style everytime the subject comes up. Ok?
The US also produced all of the industrial methods of packaging, storing, and shipping coffee used around the world today.
All your bean are belong to us.
how coffee effects different people differently.
It makes you want to do all that, and all it make me want to do is take a crap.
When in the middle of gradschool I decided that I was drinking too much coffee (silly me), I started having gallstone problems...
My first cup must be wearing off. I first read that
as "... in the middle of gradeschool..."
which made the gallstones part even more confusing.
I though "gee.. poor kids in that school."
Nothing worse than going to a small town with nothing but shitty coffee.
Okay - Starbucks much not be perfect, but the coffee overall is excellent, the water is good, and the taste is consistant.
carrott juice
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aaagh!
Sudbury Ontario has to be one of the highest tim populations ...
... also we have somthing like 40 some tim horton shops in a 100,000 person city. No matter WHERE you are your atleast a 20 min walk from a timmies.
We have 2 timmies right beside eachother
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Hasn't this incident been beaten to death enough times already?
I've heard rumors that coffee (not caffeine) contributes to depression. Supposedly, the excess phosphorous leeches B-Vitamins out of the blood stream and blocks them from functioning. I've given up coffee completely. Actually tried giving up coffee for a few months and the results were scary. Found a new job in my old field (now Programming, was waiting tables for two years), made peace with some people I was fighting with and found a girlfriend.
Not very scientific, anyone know of any evidence for or against the depression link?
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All right, I just about had a stroke reading that. I had to look away from my computer about halfway through reading your post so I could calm down and not look like a total moron busting out laughing at work.
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What what what? Nobody else goes to work on their log cabin? :-P
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moron, he was joking, read it again, it's a joke. which is why it was modded as funny.
of course it's insane to drink 12 a day, but thats a joke. he was speeding up, get it?
get a sense of humor
Many of the health affects of coffee are not associated with caffeine. Some of the studies haven't separated caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee drinkers. Others that have done so, but noted no difference in benefits between the caffeinated and decaff coffee. The benefits come from other chemicals (sorry, tea drinkers).
Sciam has had very interesting articles about coffee, which get more into the science then this blurb. Sadly, the best one isn't free - so I'll link to the list of coffee articles.
Miscellaneous coffe articlesLower Diabetes Risk
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Tea has more Caffeine by weight than Coffee does.
Cup strength depends on how you brew it.
Brewed coffee varies tremendously in strength, depending on who is making it.
Tea often is brewed from pre-measured bags, although different brands put more or less in. For loose tea, it's up to the user.
Yet another factor is how long you brew the beverage for.
There are variations in different teas and coffees as well.
So it really depends on whose cup of tea or coffee, you are talking about.
The bottom line is that generally, tea leaves have more caffeine by weight, than coffee beans do.
Not to be outdone, another international body of scientists declared in a press conference the findings of their own array of studies. Their suprising conclusion was that in certain quantities, everything is detrimental to your health and everyone should live the way they like and not care because everything has potential health consequences.
The results of the study have also raised disagreements amongst the community of scientists, but the consensus seems to be that all of our health- and nutrition-related problems are over. The boards of directors at Phillip Morris, PepsiCo, and McDonalds heralded the results as equally groundbreaking.
When interviewed after the press conference, one scientist revealed misgivings about such overtly pessimistic conclusions, but also stressed the benefits of letting people finally do whatever they want and slowly kill themselves in the process instead of endlessly bickering and whining about the health factor.
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Sou brasileiro :-) And we are in the subject of caffeinated beverages. And yes, I love erva-mate !!!
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that's a crime.
Don't people know anything? Espresso is not "Joe".
(Melburnian and proud of it.)
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Hey he lived to be ... well really old and having lots of sex while getting there.
It turns out that everything we thought was good for us (health food) is actually bad, and everything we thought was bad for us (cigerettes, brownies) is actually good.
Think what you want of Woody Allan, he was dead right with that one. A few years ago, coffee caused prostate cancer, now it's healthy. Eating fat used to make you fat, now fat is okay - but you have to watch those carbs. Wine is now good for you, last I heard.
Since I heard caffeine causes sexual impotence because it's a vasoconstrictor, I stopped drinking it almost immediately.
What do people thinkg about that? is it true? I would like to know, because I miss my coffee.
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I knew all those years of downing black joe would have killed me by now if it was as bad as people say.
Alexey
Mi spiace, ho sbagliato! Grazie per la correzione, pero' (got it right this time... :)
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Yes, I too love coffee, but drinking coffee in the morning is wasted, because your body is already full with adrenaline, elevated blood sugar, and so on - your body's normal way of getting you going after a full nights sleep. What you should do is drink your beloved cup of coffee six or eight hours after you woke up, since that is when you need it the most.
Another interesting tidbit: Gilberto Fisone, a researcher at Karolinska Institutet, found that a "medium sized" cup of coffee has a double effect in that it stimulates a key protein called DARPP-32, which amplifies the effect of coffee. For more information, read this article.
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Any attempt to justify consuming it is cognitive dissonance. First, you decide that you're going to recommend it. Then you come up with the data to support your conclusion.
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Ok, so where can I get one online? I'm in europe, and here the coffee cups are too small for my taste.
Now the morning comes 'round here much too early
I roll out of bed feeling surly
Stare in to my plastic cup
Won't somebody please fill it up
I don't care if it's cold or hot
Give me something from that pot
Coffee - I've gotta have coffee
Gimme Cofee - I love coffee
Hey - pour me another mug, Doug
Of that coffee
Now something happens around 10 o'clock
My brain won't think and my mouth won't talk
I've got a sleepy feeling I just can't shake
It must be time for a coffee break
I don't care of its hot or cold
I don't care if it's 5 days old
Coffee - give me coffee
I've gotta have coffee
I just love my coffee
Pour me a whole slew of that brew, Lou
I just want some coffee
Now, French roast, English roast, espresso too
Kona, mocha, java or Jamaica Blue
There ain't no kind that I ain't ever had
Unless you count instant or decaffeinated
Coffee - I'm talkin' about coffee
Bring it back hot and black, Jack
I just want some coffee
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Well, I met this chick
And we went our on a date
You know the night was getting awful late
We'd been making all the stops
Drinking beer, wine and gin
My patience finally ran a little bit thin
I said baby if you want to got out with me
You gotta drink coffee
'cause I dig coffee
I've gotta have coffee
I love my coffee
Make the scene with caffeine bean, Gene,
I just want some coffee
Gotta have coffee
I love my coffee
I Gotta have coffee
I crave coffee
Fill up my tank with crank, Hank
Give me coffee
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Anything less than 12 ounces is a demitasse serving. One pot equals four of my cups.
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Whether or not Starbuck's IS really quality or not, it certainly does not beat the quality of a privately owned espresso shop, like say...in Little Italy or in Soho. Because of the overpowering presence of these shops, many of us do not know this. If we allow this to continue these shops will be out of business and we will not have the opportunity to taste authentic espresso. I certainly don't want this to happen, but this IS a country where capitalism is king. Ironically, it can be king and unamerican at the same time. How many small businesses would lose their businesses and be out of work? How many cafe servers will have to take a job at these chains forgoing the type of wages and tips they once received. How American is that? Capitalism allow them to export our tech jobs to India having a huge effect on the local economy. If there is a decline in jobs there is a decline in consmerism. In effect it does very little to protect our rights as Americans. "That which separates us as humans, will destroy us as humans." Phr3akinR1can