No, I think you misunderstand. The only reason the telemarketing industry came into existence is that it was cheaper than other forms of advertisement. This is the same reason that explains the proliferation of spam, the cost is offset from the advertiser to the customer (or non-customer) receiving the advertisement. If it becomes very difficult to comply with the law either by becoming too time consuming to implement or too costly to avoid, then the best business decision might be to never call anyone. Once this situation occurs, then it won't matter if a number is on the list or not because it simply will not be worth taking the risk that the number is on the list and you haven't yet downloaded the newest number set. Personally, I think they should have to get the list off of an 8088 with a 300 baud modem serving the entire industry, with a tremendous fine for getting the list from somewhere else. Anyone in the industry who disagrees, send me your home phone number and I'll be more than happy to call you 20 times during dinner.
I assume you are referencing the Star Trek Movie in which they are looking for, "Nuclear Wessels" . ..
That was Chekov, and he is in fact Russian (At least in the show. I have no idea what nationality the actor was/is (And no this is not an invitation for those of you who have nothing better to do than dress up as Worf and parade around the mall to "inform" me of all the in's and out's of Star Trek.
Actually, it has to do with apple pie. Since there is nothing more American than apple pie, the apple pie recipe is considered sacred. It has been passed down from generation to generation since the start of this glorious nation. Unfortunatly, it has been passed down on the female side of our ancestry, and we men have been telling our women that:
|------| = 10 inches, when in fact |---------| = 10 inches.
This has caused them to become totally confused with regard to units of measure, and they are thus unable to convert imperial to metric units. Thus, if we were to switch to using the metric system, we would no longer be able to bake apple pies, a situation we are just not willing to accept.
Sorry, I guess I was not clear in what I was trying to say. I didn't mean that Core 2 wasn't tested in and of itself, I meant that it wasn't tested with whatever production code you might be running. You can't do a valid test of the system until the final revision. You can do a preliminary test, but it will not be a valid test if something changes (and it probably will). My personal belief is that there will not be ANY problems. However, from a business perspective, not a technical one, there is a risk that there will be problems (albeit, IMHO not much). If you are willing to take that risk that is fine. Some companies are not willing to take that risk, and want a distribution that will prevent them from needing to take it. This is where the enterprise level products come into play, this is how they are more stable. Stable in that they will not change as much, not in that they will crash less.
The instability insn't in the quality of the code that is in Fedora, it is more in the lines of how long it will be supported. Once Core 2 is out, Official support of Core 1 will stop. Thus if you are running a corporate web server on Core 1, when Core 2 comes out you have 3 choices if you want to stay with Fedora:
1) Stop patching the system
2) Patch with unofficial patches
3) "Upgrade" to an untested platform (Core 2)
From a business standpoint, none of these choices are advantageous. Although I will attempt to do #2 until such time as #3 can be trusted, I am not trying to sell my strategy to a PHB.
The price of a share of stock is supposed to be the total assets of a company minus the total liabilities divided by the number of shares (outstanding and otherwise).
(TA - TL) / S
This number will go up if the company earns money and will go down if it loses money. The stock market price of a share takes into account how much money the company is expected to earn or lose over the short term. If a company is expected to earn X amount over the next quarter, then their value at the end of the quarter compared with the previous quarter would be:
(TA - TL) + X
and their value per share:
((TA - TL) + X) / S
So, if you think the company will earn money, you pay more for the stock because next quarter it will be shown to be worth it. If you think the company will lose money, you pay less for the stock because next quarter you will be able to buy the stock for less. The things that influence your determination of the price at the end of the quarter change constantly. However, even if the company goes out of business, you still get your shares' value of the company. If SCOX owns a building worth a million dollars, and has a loan on that building for $250,000 and they lose $500,000 over the next quarter and decide to go out of business, you still get your portion of the remaining $250,000:
((1,000,000 - 250,000) - 500,000) / S
In order for a stock to be zero for a company, they would have to find someone willing to loan them money equal to the amount of holdings they have and at the same time lose money. This would be like you trying to borrow all of the money to buy a house without having a job (or at best a job that didn't cover your expenses plus the price of the house). Nobody has credit that good, and neither do corporations.
I can see it now, flashlights banned because they are now seen as tools used to rob people. Obviously if you own a flashlight, you are only interrested in using it to rob a bank.
The only problem with this method is an MP3 can copy in about 2 seconds. A song copied with your method takes about 3 minutes. So, If you were able to do this straight for an entire month:
However, I think you would probably only be doing it at the most about 8 hours/day, so that is 4800 songs per month. But most people would probably be closer to being able to do it for about 2 hours a day or 1200 songs per month. But you probably would have some days where you couldn't do it, so lets say that you are super industrious and are able to do it 5 days a week. That is 850+ songs/month, which is just over $.01/song. Still a pretty good deal.
Now all you have to figure out is when are you going to listen to music you actually WANT to listen to instead of downloading music you haven't already heard yet?
I built my own PCs because I wanted to know exactly what kind of hardware was inside
And that was reason number two in my previous post.
I'm 33 years old. My first computer was purchased when I was 10 (an Apple II+), and most of the components that went into the system were built by me and my mom (she is an aerospace engineer, and more than up to the task). This was done for cost reasons (Single mother raising two kids). For example a printer cable for the printer we finally bought for the computer was about $100. Parts and wires from Radio Shack (The good old days, back when you could find that kind of thing there) were about $10. About an hours time, and all the pinouts were soldered, and the printer working. If the printer cable was only $15, we probably would have bought it so we could work (or play as it seems now looking back) on other things.
Jump ahead to the present, and I have built dozens of computers, both for myself as well as family, friends, and some for profit. I realized long ago that it isn't worth doing as you aren't getting any better quality than what you can get from mail order, you are not saving any money, and you are wasting a lot of time that can be used elsewhere. Although I have always purchased quality parts, I have had nothing but trouble with the last two machines I built (due mostly to power supply issues). The Gateway I purchased in 1999 is still going strong.
Nowadays if it wasn't for the rampant outsourcing that I hate I'd probably buy a Dell just to save myself the time of building one
Don't think you are fighting outsourcing by purchasing your parts separately and putting them together locally. Most of the parts are made overseas. This is the same thing that Dell is doing. (I have no idea where they get their parts, but Dell's main manufacturing center in the US is in Austin, TX.) If you are really interrested in buying a Dell, and you don't want to because of outsourcing issues, then contact Dell and determine if they are in fact outsourcing. I sort of remember a story from a few months back that Dell was moving its call centers back to the states because of customer feedback about not being able to understand heavily accented Indian call center operators. If they are bringing jobs back to the US, then they need to be rewarded.
But who uses Linux right now? Mostly us geeks. Do us[sic] geeks buy computers from Dell? Most of the geeks I know (in r/l and on the net) build their own systems and wouldn't be caught dead with an oem box -- laptops usually excluded of course.
The reason most geeks built their own systems in the past was largely for economic reasons. It was much cheaper to get the parts together and build your own system than it was to buy one pre-built. Secondary to that was knowledge of what components went into the final system (i.e. you could pick higher quality components if you preferred).
Now, due to Dell, HP, and Gateway, neither of these reasons still exist. The computer price wars have left the consumer with a very good quality product for a very reasonable price. The Big Three (mentioned above) have such a strong buying force that they can get the components for their machines and PUT THEM TOGETHER for less than the average person can buy the components. To top it off, their price even includes the OS whereas the average Joe putting together a system wouldn't be able to buy a version of Windows (relax OSS fans, I ONLY use Linux) to put into the box they are building if they wanted to save money over the Big Guys.
Where am I going with this you ask? Well only to say that the reason Dell doesn't sell Linux only PC's is that when they look at what PC's to sell, they fail to consider who the Linux customer is. When they did offer Linux (Red Hat, IIRC) in the past, they did so at a price equal to their Windows offering. Thus, only a complete moron would buy one of these machines.
If I'm looking for a high quality box to run Linux (or pick your favorite OSS OS), I could care less if at one point in time the hard drive held a Microsoft product. If it is a good box, it is a good box. Now, if I am put into a decision to buy a box for X amount of money with Windows, or the same amount without Windows, I'll take the Windows. That way, when I finally decide to give it to charity and take the tax write-off, I'll get more for it. However, since I bought a PC loaded with Windows, I am counted in the "I use Windows" side of the house even though I don't.
I don't think I'm alone in my purchasing thoughts (I know I'm not the only one who understands basic math). So, Dell, et al are left with the idea that Linux isn't a viable OS and drop it instead of realizing that the way they offered Linux to us was flawed.
We are OSS users for a reason. We know how to think for ourselves. We know that the comunity we belong to will be able to resolve any problem we're thrown. We are not easily misled, and we can smell BS a mile away. And as consumers, we are not going to spend our hard earned money on a product simply because it is a small bit more convenient. If we were willing to do that, we would all be using Microsoft!
Now, a note to the Big Three: What we would really like to see from you are PC's WITHOUT an OS at all. That way, you don't have to include any OS specific tech support costs in the price of your machines. Simply have the box come with a diagnostic CD to make sure the hardware functions, and if it doesn't take care of that. Leave OS issues to the buyer, or sell tech support separately.
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Why are you still using the web page defined colors?
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Did you read the article?
That's because Windows is used to running such code.
No, I think you misunderstand. The only reason the telemarketing industry came into existence is that it was cheaper than other forms of advertisement. This is the same reason that explains the proliferation of spam, the cost is offset from the advertiser to the customer (or non-customer) receiving the advertisement. If it becomes very difficult to comply with the law either by becoming too time consuming to implement or too costly to avoid, then the best business decision might be to never call anyone. Once this situation occurs, then it won't matter if a number is on the list or not because it simply will not be worth taking the risk that the number is on the list and you haven't yet downloaded the newest number set. Personally, I think they should have to get the list off of an 8088 with a 300 baud modem serving the entire industry, with a tremendous fine for getting the list from somewhere else. Anyone in the industry who disagrees, send me your home phone number and I'll be more than happy to call you 20 times during dinner.
What's a "pop-up ad"? I don't think Mozilla supports those.
Or a person could spend 50 years in a career, then take 5-10 off and learn something entirely new...
Most likly, they would spend ~50 years in a career, and then spend the next 1000+ living off Social Security.
I assume you are referencing the Star Trek Movie in which they are looking for, "Nuclear Wessels" . . .
That was Chekov, and he is in fact Russian (At least in the show. I have no idea what nationality the actor was/is (And no this is not an invitation for those of you who have nothing better to do than dress up as Worf and parade around the mall to "inform" me of all the in's and out's of Star Trek.
Mod Parent back up. This is NOT off topic. The guy IS astroturfing. Thus, the comment is ON topic.
You forgot to mention the picture of him at the bottom of the page.
Actually, it has to do with apple pie. Since there is nothing more American than apple pie, the apple pie recipe is considered sacred. It has been passed down from generation to generation since the start of this glorious nation. Unfortunatly, it has been passed down on the female side of our ancestry, and we men have been telling our women that:
|------| = 10 inches, when in fact
|---------| = 10 inches.
This has caused them to become totally confused with regard to units of measure, and they are thus unable to convert imperial to metric units. Thus, if we were to switch to using the metric system, we would no longer be able to bake apple pies, a situation we are just not willing to accept.
. . .by the DMCA.
Did you mean PATRIOT?
Sorry, I guess I was not clear in what I was trying to say. I didn't mean that Core 2 wasn't tested in and of itself, I meant that it wasn't tested with whatever production code you might be running. You can't do a valid test of the system until the final revision. You can do a preliminary test, but it will not be a valid test if something changes (and it probably will). My personal belief is that there will not be ANY problems. However, from a business perspective, not a technical one, there is a risk that there will be problems (albeit, IMHO not much). If you are willing to take that risk that is fine. Some companies are not willing to take that risk, and want a distribution that will prevent them from needing to take it. This is where the enterprise level products come into play, this is how they are more stable. Stable in that they will not change as much, not in that they will crash less.
The instability insn't in the quality of the code that is in Fedora, it is more in the lines of how long it will be supported. Once Core 2 is out, Official support of Core 1 will stop. Thus if you are running a corporate web server on Core 1, when Core 2 comes out you have 3 choices if you want to stay with Fedora:
1) Stop patching the system
2) Patch with unofficial patches
3) "Upgrade" to an untested platform (Core 2)
From a business standpoint, none of these choices are advantageous. Although I will attempt to do #2 until such time as #3 can be trusted, I am not trying to sell my strategy to a PHB.
...without having to change the amount of money they spend per account.
No, I'm sure that will go down.
The price of a share of stock is supposed to be the total assets of a company minus the total liabilities divided by the number of shares (outstanding and otherwise).
(TA - TL) / S
This number will go up if the company earns money and will go down if it loses money. The stock market price of a share takes into account how much money the company is expected to earn or lose over the short term. If a company is expected to earn X amount over the next quarter, then their value at the end of the quarter compared with the previous quarter would be:
(TA - TL) + X
and their value per share:
((TA - TL) + X) / S
So, if you think the company will earn money, you pay more for the stock because next quarter it will be shown to be worth it. If you think the company will lose money, you pay less for the stock because next quarter you will be able to buy the stock for less. The things that influence your determination of the price at the end of the quarter change constantly. However, even if the company goes out of business, you still get your shares' value of the company. If SCOX owns a building worth a million dollars, and has a loan on that building for $250,000 and they lose $500,000 over the next quarter and decide to go out of business, you still get your portion of the remaining $250,000:
((1,000,000 - 250,000) - 500,000) / S
In order for a stock to be zero for a company, they would have to find someone willing to loan them money equal to the amount of holdings they have and at the same time lose money. This would be like you trying to borrow all of the money to buy a house without having a job (or at best a job that didn't cover your expenses plus the price of the house). Nobody has credit that good, and neither do corporations.
And I think the practice of using these cameras would just about stop if people started cloning only the plates of Parliament members.
You must have gotten the 1.1 version of the shifter knob module.
I can see it now, flashlights banned because they are now seen as tools used to rob people. Obviously if you own a flashlight, you are only interrested in using it to rob a bank.
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Sorry, but a cotton gin doesn't pick cotton. It simply removes the seeds from the cotton.
The only problem with this method is an MP3 can copy in about 2 seconds. A song copied with your method takes about 3 minutes. So, If you were able to do this straight for an entire month:
3songs/minute * 60minutes/hour * 24Hours/day * 30days/month = 14400 songs
However, I think you would probably only be doing it at the most about 8 hours/day, so that is 4800 songs per month. But most people would probably be closer to being able to do it for about 2 hours a day or 1200 songs per month. But you probably would have some days where you couldn't do it, so lets say that you are super industrious and are able to do it 5 days a week. That is 850+ songs/month, which is just over $.01/song. Still a pretty good deal.
Now all you have to figure out is when are you going to listen to music you actually WANT to listen to instead of downloading music you haven't already heard yet?
I built my own PCs because I wanted to know exactly what kind of hardware was inside
And that was reason number two in my previous post.
I'm 33 years old. My first computer was purchased when I was 10 (an Apple II+), and most of the components that went into the system were built by me and my mom (she is an aerospace engineer, and more than up to the task). This was done for cost reasons (Single mother raising two kids). For example a printer cable for the printer we finally bought for the computer was about $100. Parts and wires from Radio Shack (The good old days, back when you could find that kind of thing there) were about $10. About an hours time, and all the pinouts were soldered, and the printer working. If the printer cable was only $15, we probably would have bought it so we could work (or play as it seems now looking back) on other things.
Jump ahead to the present, and I have built dozens of computers, both for myself as well as family, friends, and some for profit. I realized long ago that it isn't worth doing as you aren't getting any better quality than what you can get from mail order, you are not saving any money, and you are wasting a lot of time that can be used elsewhere. Although I have always purchased quality parts, I have had nothing but trouble with the last two machines I built (due mostly to power supply issues). The Gateway I purchased in 1999 is still going strong.
Nowadays if it wasn't for the rampant outsourcing that I hate I'd probably buy a Dell just to save myself the time of building one
Don't think you are fighting outsourcing by purchasing your parts separately and putting them together locally. Most of the parts are made overseas. This is the same thing that Dell is doing. (I have no idea where they get their parts, but Dell's main manufacturing center in the US is in Austin, TX.) If you are really interrested in buying a Dell, and you don't want to because of outsourcing issues, then contact Dell and determine if they are in fact outsourcing. I sort of remember a story from a few months back that Dell was moving its call centers back to the states because of customer feedback about not being able to understand heavily accented Indian call center operators. If they are bringing jobs back to the US, then they need to be rewarded.
But who uses Linux right now? Mostly us geeks. Do us[sic] geeks buy computers from Dell? Most of the geeks I know (in r/l and on the net) build their own systems and wouldn't be caught dead with an oem box -- laptops usually excluded of course.
The reason most geeks built their own systems in the past was largely for economic reasons. It was much cheaper to get the parts together and build your own system than it was to buy one pre-built. Secondary to that was knowledge of what components went into the final system (i.e. you could pick higher quality components if you preferred).
Now, due to Dell, HP, and Gateway, neither of these reasons still exist. The computer price wars have left the consumer with a very good quality product for a very reasonable price. The Big Three (mentioned above) have such a strong buying force that they can get the components for their machines and PUT THEM TOGETHER for less than the average person can buy the components. To top it off, their price even includes the OS whereas the average Joe putting together a system wouldn't be able to buy a version of Windows (relax OSS fans, I ONLY use Linux) to put into the box they are building if they wanted to save money over the Big Guys.
Where am I going with this you ask? Well only to say that the reason Dell doesn't sell Linux only PC's is that when they look at what PC's to sell, they fail to consider who the Linux customer is. When they did offer Linux (Red Hat, IIRC) in the past, they did so at a price equal to their Windows offering. Thus, only a complete moron would buy one of these machines.
If I'm looking for a high quality box to run Linux (or pick your favorite OSS OS), I could care less if at one point in time the hard drive held a Microsoft product. If it is a good box, it is a good box. Now, if I am put into a decision to buy a box for X amount of money with Windows, or the same amount without Windows, I'll take the Windows. That way, when I finally decide to give it to charity and take the tax write-off, I'll get more for it. However, since I bought a PC loaded with Windows, I am counted in the "I use Windows" side of the house even though I don't.
I don't think I'm alone in my purchasing thoughts (I know I'm not the only one who understands basic math). So, Dell, et al are left with the idea that Linux isn't a viable OS and drop it instead of realizing that the way they offered Linux to us was flawed.
We are OSS users for a reason. We know how to think for ourselves. We know that the comunity we belong to will be able to resolve any problem we're thrown. We are not easily misled, and we can smell BS a mile away. And as consumers, we are not going to spend our hard earned money on a product simply because it is a small bit more convenient. If we were willing to do that, we would all be using Microsoft!
Now, a note to the Big Three: What we would really like to see from you are PC's WITHOUT an OS at all. That way, you don't have to include any OS specific tech support costs in the price of your machines. Simply have the box come with a diagnostic CD to make sure the hardware functions, and if it doesn't take care of that. Leave OS issues to the buyer, or sell tech support separately.
Amen brother!!! :)
Let me guess. You've used Microsoft products in the past?
Is that what Piccard was saying all these years...
"N-Gage..."