LOL:-)) that's the copy of american B-1:-))
I think it's a copy of B-1-A exactly, the one that is on duty in USAF being B-1-B. The difference is that B-1-B is slower than -A, but has a significantly lower radar signature.
Tu-95 wasn't a copy at all, and Tu-95MS (NATO code Bear H) first flight was in 1981, it's a very recent plane. The sea version of Bear bomber, Tu-142 is even more recent i think, but i might be wrong.
The initial thread was about government, and i've stopped working for government projects for 2 years. As far as i remember, even by that time, for some ministers, especially defense (well.. the army), source code availability was a major issue. Not only availability, but the right to modify source code. And price as well was an issue, since army is not the richest administration.
Now i'm working for another company that doesn't have the state as customer. We're selling projects based on OSS essentially, and we provide as well support for some OSS we are using (they are US companies doing it as well, but they're simply too far from Europe, especially considering they're mased in CA)
In France, all the same. Mandrake for most companies and administration (yes, it's French), along with SuSE (especially in eastern parts of France) and RedHat (especially for servers), and PingOO in education.
But still, i think the fact that Linus is Finnish and not American counts a bit... but only a very bit. About the same on that side of the Rhein:-))
every infrastructure costs money... but i think that compared to many others (notably the GSM infrastructure itself), SMS is cheap.
and as for SMS adverts, i don't know for the british Orange, but the french one already sends adverts for its services. those adverts are all the more annoying that SMS isn't a free service.
now that's their problem. i don't have an Orange mobile phone, and will never have. i don't buy any of the services from any France Telecom company (except basic ADSL, not the ISP). They're expensive, and low quality.
nooooooooooo ! wrong !!!!
SMS market is very special !
It CAN be free. It's very cheap for the phone company (only a few servers, very small amount of bandwidth used, etc.), and phone company can make money by sending adverts on it. But most phone companies see SMS as a threat: when people send SMS, they don't phone. And that's the attitude France Telecom (owner of Orange) always had. This is a non rational an monopolistic attitude.
British guys, you can thank France Telecom for that.
That bullshit company has always had a very bad policy towards SMS. You always had to pay to use Itineris, and now Orange SMS, including when using the web-sms gateway (it was only free when it was in beta stage, years ago).
It's the only phone company that charges for SMS sent from the web in France (SFR is 100% free, Bouygues requires free registration). They're the reason why SMS is so week in France.
I don't understand why this state-owned company is keeping trying to make money using unfair monopolistic attitude. It should be illegal...
If you want to update easily, install autoupdate:
see here and add a file called kde.dld in/etc/autoupdate.d/ containing:
# configuration file for kde update
# please choose a mirror close to you
Host=ftp.kde.org
DldAll=0
FTPRetry=2
FTPWait=10
DldRecurse=0
Dir=/pub/kde/stable/2.2.2/RedHat/7.2/
or wait that the packages are available thru MandrakeUpdate.
As bero pointed out in the other comment, there was a problem in the syncing process yesterday, and some packages (libxml2, libxslt, kdebindings*, kdepim*) were missing.
As a consequence:
<WARNING>
Everybody that installed RH7.2 KDE2.2.2 packages yesterday should update today, since now everything is correctly synced.
</WARNING>
when did you add them ? for instance i can't find them (yet= Thu Nov 22 17:06:20 CET 2001) on ftp://sunsite.dk/mirrors/kde/stable/2.2.2/RedHat/7.2/
thanx anyway:-))
???????????
for instance:
ftp://ftp.fh-heilbronn.de/pub/mirrors/kde/stable /2.2.2/
it has all the distros, and
ftp://sunsite.dk/mirrors/kde/stable/2.2.2/
even has the source !!!
Well, actually, it won't even run on RH7.2 without upgrading to xml2 and xslt from Rawhide...
Re:Are 5% speedup noticable ?
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KDE 2.2.2
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· Score: 1
i did... the 5% speedup is only for the icons. as a whole, the 2.2.2 is much faster than 2.2.1, and it is noticeable (using RH 7.2 packages - i don't know if they were objprelink-build - Bero, if you read me, how did u build those packages ?)
Isn't it a problem now if we wanna use Athlon/Duron with Linux ?
I mean nForce won't have a great full opensource driver since nVidia doesn't release the specs, and it's the same with VIA's one, no ? (or did i miss something ?). And those two chipsets are considered as the best solutions for AMD-based mainboards. So, what are the news about that ?
Anyone with a good knowledge of the topic, please ?
>And France has nothing like states' rights that the US has to cope with that makes us a patchwork of sometimes conflicting laws.
Actually, we have. Corsica and Alsace (trn ?), (and some other regions i think) more or less have special laws/regulations on many aspects covered by that portal. So i really wonder how it will work. Especially, each French city/county/region has its own taxes (we are professionals at taxing), so i wonder how it will work in that big portal....
well..
firstly, what they say about language and confusion is perfectly valid. I'm French, Vivendi is French as well, and i can tell you that about 40% of the French people surfing regularily on the net don't know what "sucks" mean. So, yes, it is misleading. I don't like WIPO a lot, but, from their point of view, it's understandable.
secondly www.vivendiuniversalsucks.com currently sucks itself. it is redirecting to a geektivism almost empty web page. if you want to prove efficiently that VU sucks (and it sucks), do it in a more efficient way, and never mind of the name it has, it will work. in France, we have associations and/or websites tending to prove that cable or ADSL companies suck, and their name isn't as silly as for instance _cable_company_pue.com (pue=stinks)
anyway, the problem looks more like "what will be inside", and "how will this be used". for now, the site is empty and useless (like many sucks.com sites, including linuxsucks.com that looks like a MS site: good looking, but empty of anything smart.). moreover, the name itself doesn't matter that much. try to find a way to gather all the clever things against VU (and there are lots of), make a great site from that, find a clever name (not just by lazily adding sucks.com). then, if the WIPO or anyone comes out against you, i'll agree that it is scandalous.
well... i don't agree, the reason why Mandrake is not good at all for server is not that it's bloated. you can manage to make it work quite efficiently. (rpm -e is your friend)
however what is not good AT ALL for servers, is that MandrakeSoft stop supporting old versions. Mandrake 6.x aren't supported anymore, and security updates aren't released ! This is a shame ! 6.x aren't _that_ old (they were out about same time as RH 6.x)
so that means you have to hand compile everything if you want your server to be a bit secure.
anyway, i agree with you on the conclusion: NEVER USE MANDRAKE AS SERVER.
(btw, did anybody try mandrake 7.2 firewall ?)
this is the main difference between Boeing and Airbus as for the conception:
On Boeing planes, the engine is kept very hard tightened to the wing, and is expected to behave as a "cushion" when the plane crashes
On Airbus planes, the engine is expected to detach from the wing when the plane crashes, to avoid that the wing breaks and goes into fire.
That said, you can guess that the link between wing and engine is checked very often and very carefully on every plane...
Now we should wait for the explanation of what really happened, because for now, there is no satisfactory plain and certain explanation.
Everything is possible, but we have to be sure (as for birds, engines are designed as well not to go into fire when a bird goes thru it.. now, for 3 or 4 birds at the same time, or a big bird, it's another story)
This is the smartest solution:
Alan discloses the Changelog with ROT26 encryption, and therefore he is himself covered by DMCA.. don't u think so ?
Re:KDE is just a Windowsalike
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KDE Wins 3 awards
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· Score: 4, Insightful
i disagree some 150%
you want KDE look (and feel) like Mac ? enable Desktop menu, and remove taskbar.
you want KDE look (and feel) almost like WindowMaker/Afterstep ? enable WindowMaker Applets extension, and remove taskbar
the only thing you can't disable is the KParts/DCOP underlying system (well.. i think you can't). but i thought the aim of Linux on Desktop (which is the purpose of KDE), was to provide a component model implementation in order to allow high level interaction between applications (which is all the GNOME/KDE/GNUStep-WindowMaker projects do... using different languages, APIs, and having different set of features).
sure, if you want less features and les memory usage, you can stick to old and light AfterStep or FVWM (though IceWM and others appear to be better)
as for the binary size for KDE or problems of slow launching or whatever, one of the biggest problems of QT/KDE for the time being is that they are written in C++, and gcc is far from good at compiling C++ (which gave all the fuss about 2.96 and 3.x versions). usually distros don't even build kde using objprelink. wait a bit that all those things improve (and they are close to), and i think u'll see a great improvment in KDE performances.
"so Europeans ought to send some of those intelligent and informed opinions to their representitives too"
Unfortunately, members of the European Commission are _not_ our representatives. They aren't elected in any way, not responsible as for the European Parliament (except for the budget). There is absolutely no easy way for the average Joe to be heard by them. You have to create associations that try to find funding from small companies or political parties if you want to be heard, but even if you do this, it's not sure that your petition will have some effect. Generally, European Commission only listens to large corporation, and american ones are far better at this game that european ones.
European Union is _not_ a democracy, and European Commission keeps playing pro-american anti-european game in 60% of the political issues. There is very little hope anything positive will come from here in any of the political-linked problems (Microsoft, software patents, DMCA-like laws)
Re:2.4.14 not ready yet either
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Kernel 2.4.14 is out
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· Score: 2, Informative
actually, there are already two bugs. the one for loop.c is by far the worst.
Slashdot Mirror
LOL :-)) that's the copy of american B-1 :-))
I think it's a copy of B-1-A exactly, the one that is on duty in USAF being B-1-B. The difference is that B-1-B is slower than -A, but has a significantly lower radar signature.
Tu-95 wasn't a copy at all, and Tu-95MS (NATO code Bear H) first flight was in 1981, it's a very recent plane. The sea version of Bear bomber, Tu-142 is even more recent i think, but i might be wrong.
Well.. i can only partly answer to that.
The initial thread was about government, and i've stopped working for government projects for 2 years. As far as i remember, even by that time, for some ministers, especially defense (well.. the army), source code availability was a major issue. Not only availability, but the right to modify source code. And price as well was an issue, since army is not the richest administration.
Now i'm working for another company that doesn't have the state as customer. We're selling projects based on OSS essentially, and we provide as well support for some OSS we are using (they are US companies doing it as well, but they're simply too far from Europe, especially considering they're mased in CA)
In France, all the same. Mandrake for most companies and administration (yes, it's French), along with SuSE (especially in eastern parts of France) and RedHat (especially for servers), and PingOO in education.
:-))
But still, i think the fact that Linus is Finnish and not American counts a bit... but only a very bit. About the same on that side of the Rhein
I think it is...
read here: that story was already submitted months ago.
or i miss 100% the point...
every infrastructure costs money... but i think that compared to many others (notably the GSM infrastructure itself), SMS is cheap.
and as for SMS adverts, i don't know for the british Orange, but the french one already sends adverts for its services. those adverts are all the more annoying that SMS isn't a free service.
now that's their problem. i don't have an Orange mobile phone, and will never have. i don't buy any of the services from any France Telecom company (except basic ADSL, not the ISP). They're expensive, and low quality.
nooooooooooo ! wrong !!!!
SMS market is very special !
It CAN be free. It's very cheap for the phone company (only a few servers, very small amount of bandwidth used, etc.), and phone company can make money by sending adverts on it. But most phone companies see SMS as a threat: when people send SMS, they don't phone. And that's the attitude France Telecom (owner of Orange) always had. This is a non rational an monopolistic attitude.
British guys, you can thank France Telecom for that.
That bullshit company has always had a very bad policy towards SMS. You always had to pay to use Itineris, and now Orange SMS, including when using the web-sms gateway (it was only free when it was in beta stage, years ago).
It's the only phone company that charges for SMS sent from the web in France (SFR is 100% free, Bouygues requires free registration). They're the reason why SMS is so week in France.
I don't understand why this state-owned company is keeping trying to make money using unfair monopolistic attitude. It should be illegal...
oops:
of course, modify Dir=/pub/kde/stable/2.2.2/RedHat/7.2/ for your Mandrake distro !!
also i wondered if urpmi couldn't be configured for the same task...
If you want to update easily, install autoupdate: /etc/autoupdate.d/ containing:
see here
and add a file called kde.dld in
# configuration file for kde update
# please choose a mirror close to you
Host=ftp.kde.org
DldAll=0
FTPRetry=2
FTPWait=10
DldRecurse=0
Dir=/pub/kde/stable/2.2.2/RedHat/7.2/
or wait that the packages are available thru MandrakeUpdate.
As bero pointed out in the other comment, there was a problem in the syncing process yesterday, and some packages (libxml2, libxslt, kdebindings*, kdepim*) were missing.
As a consequence:
<WARNING>
Everybody that installed RH7.2 KDE2.2.2 packages yesterday should update today, since now everything is correctly synced.
</WARNING>
when did you add them ? for instance i can't find them (yet= Thu Nov 22 17:06:20 CET 2001) on ftp://sunsite.dk/mirrors/kde/stable/2.2.2/RedHat/7 .2/
:-))
thanx anyway
???????????e /2 .2.2/
for instance:
ftp://ftp.fh-heilbronn.de/pub/mirrors/kde/stabl
it has all the distros, and
ftp://sunsite.dk/mirrors/kde/stable/2.2.2/
even has the source !!!
Well, actually, it won't even run on RH7.2 without upgrading to xml2 and xslt from Rawhide...
i did... the 5% speedup is only for the icons. as a whole, the 2.2.2 is much faster than 2.2.1, and it is noticeable (using RH 7.2 packages - i don't know if they were objprelink-build - Bero, if you read me, how did u build those packages ?)
Isn't it a problem now if we wanna use Athlon/Duron with Linux ?
I mean nForce won't have a great full opensource driver since nVidia doesn't release the specs, and it's the same with VIA's one, no ? (or did i miss something ?). And those two chipsets are considered as the best solutions for AMD-based mainboards. So, what are the news about that ?
Anyone with a good knowledge of the topic, please ?
>And France has nothing like states' rights that the US has to cope with that makes us a patchwork of sometimes conflicting laws.
Actually, we have. Corsica and Alsace (trn ?), (and some other regions i think) more or less have special laws/regulations on many aspects covered by that portal. So i really wonder how it will work. Especially, each French city/county/region has its own taxes (we are professionals at taxing), so i wonder how it will work in that big portal....
More bureaucracy ????? you're kidding ? certainly not more than in France. We even have more bureaucracy than in the USSR.....
well..
firstly, what they say about language and confusion is perfectly valid. I'm French, Vivendi is French as well, and i can tell you that about 40% of the French people surfing regularily on the net don't know what "sucks" mean. So, yes, it is misleading. I don't like WIPO a lot, but, from their point of view, it's understandable.
secondly www.vivendiuniversalsucks.com currently sucks itself. it is redirecting to a geektivism almost empty web page. if you want to prove efficiently that VU sucks (and it sucks), do it in a more efficient way, and never mind of the name it has, it will work. in France, we have associations and/or websites tending to prove that cable or ADSL companies suck, and their name isn't as silly as for instance _cable_company_pue.com (pue=stinks)
anyway, the problem looks more like "what will be inside", and "how will this be used". for now, the site is empty and useless (like many sucks.com sites, including linuxsucks.com that looks like a MS site: good looking, but empty of anything smart.). moreover, the name itself doesn't matter that much. try to find a way to gather all the clever things against VU (and there are lots of), make a great site from that, find a clever name (not just by lazily adding sucks.com). then, if the WIPO or anyone comes out against you, i'll agree that it is scandalous.
well... i don't agree, the reason why Mandrake is not good at all for server is not that it's bloated. you can manage to make it work quite efficiently. (rpm -e is your friend)
however what is not good AT ALL for servers, is that MandrakeSoft stop supporting old versions. Mandrake 6.x aren't supported anymore, and security updates aren't released ! This is a shame ! 6.x aren't _that_ old (they were out about same time as RH 6.x)
so that means you have to hand compile everything if you want your server to be a bit secure.
anyway, i agree with you on the conclusion: NEVER USE MANDRAKE AS SERVER.
(btw, did anybody try mandrake 7.2 firewall ?)
actually, planes are designed to crash....
this is the main difference between Boeing and Airbus as for the conception:
On Boeing planes, the engine is kept very hard tightened to the wing, and is expected to behave as a "cushion" when the plane crashes
On Airbus planes, the engine is expected to detach from the wing when the plane crashes, to avoid that the wing breaks and goes into fire.
That said, you can guess that the link between wing and engine is checked very often and very carefully on every plane...
Now we should wait for the explanation of what really happened, because for now, there is no satisfactory plain and certain explanation.
Everything is possible, but we have to be sure (as for birds, engines are designed as well not to go into fire when a bird goes thru it.. now, for 3 or 4 birds at the same time, or a big bird, it's another story)
This is the smartest solution:
Alan discloses the Changelog with ROT26 encryption, and therefore he is himself covered by DMCA.. don't u think so ?
i disagree some 150%
you want KDE look (and feel) like Mac ? enable Desktop menu, and remove taskbar.
you want KDE look (and feel) almost like WindowMaker/Afterstep ? enable WindowMaker Applets extension, and remove taskbar
the only thing you can't disable is the KParts/DCOP underlying system (well.. i think you can't). but i thought the aim of Linux on Desktop (which is the purpose of KDE), was to provide a component model implementation in order to allow high level interaction between applications (which is all the GNOME/KDE/GNUStep-WindowMaker projects do... using different languages, APIs, and having different set of features).
sure, if you want less features and les memory usage, you can stick to old and light AfterStep or FVWM (though IceWM and others appear to be better)
as for the binary size for KDE or problems of slow launching or whatever, one of the biggest problems of QT/KDE for the time being is that they are written in C++, and gcc is far from good at compiling C++ (which gave all the fuss about 2.96 and 3.x versions). usually distros don't even build kde using objprelink. wait a bit that all those things improve (and they are close to), and i think u'll see a great improvment in KDE performances.
"so Europeans ought to send some of those intelligent and informed opinions to their representitives too"
Unfortunately, members of the European Commission are _not_ our representatives. They aren't elected in any way, not responsible as for the European Parliament (except for the budget). There is absolutely no easy way for the average Joe to be heard by them. You have to create associations that try to find funding from small companies or political parties if you want to be heard, but even if you do this, it's not sure that your petition will have some effect. Generally, European Commission only listens to large corporation, and american ones are far better at this game that european ones.
European Union is _not_ a democracy, and European Commission keeps playing pro-american anti-european game in 60% of the political issues. There is very little hope anything positive will come from here in any of the political-linked problems (Microsoft, software patents, DMCA-like laws)
actually, there are already two bugs. the one for loop.c is by far the worst.
l /0111.0/1084.html
l /0111.0/1088.html
l /0111.0/1089.html
:-((
as for loop.c, Linus gives this (not very detailed)answer:
http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kerne
(just delete the two lines were deactivate_page appear).
But what makes me worried about that is Andrea's mail:
http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kerne
second bug is using I2C Philips PARPORT:
http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kerne
it should impact that many people, but it's a great one.
so actually, that means Linus didn't try to compile the kernel enabling all modules before releasing it. waow
a recent story about that
very interesting indeed.