seems some stupid lawyer prevent us from working
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EU May Outlaw Cookies
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the article is very confused, and the summary is not exact at all...
but i still have the fear that they don't really understand what a cookie is, what it allows, and the difference between a session cookie and a permanent cookie.
their fear is only that you store data about a user without warning him. that's ok, but we already have laws in Europe, enforced by special organizations (such as CNIL in France), to prevent this from happening, and that ensure the total control of a user over its data (well, theoretically for now, but those organizations will have more power very soon, according to an already voted law)
considering that, i have the feeling that this law can go only further, and prevent using cookies at all. it can be a good idea for permanent cookies to warn the user before he accepts it. but for session cookies it's simply stupid. we all know HTTP is a stateless protocol, and cookies are the only efficient technical way to implement session behaviour (there is even a RFC about that). warning the user before accepting a session cookie is stupid.. simply because the user doesn't know the difference between those two kinda cookies (nor those european deputies do, apparently)
/*
* linux/fs/ext3/inode.c
*
* Copyright (C) 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995
* Remy Card (card@masi.ibp.fr)
* Laboratoire MASI - Institut Blaise Pascal
* Universite Pierre et Marie Curie (Paris VI)
hmm.. that seems pretty European to me, no ?
RH avoided KDE for a while because of QT licensing problems.. they were slow on jumping back on the train afterwards and still remain GNOME oriented, but now KDE is supported (i guess this was the sense of ur European stuff..).
"Visse said earlier Thursday that the message would be shown to people using "browsers that we know don't support (W3C) standards or that we can't insure will get a great experience for the customer." W3C refers to the World Wide Web Consortium, which is developing industry standards for Web technologies."
yes: even the W3C validator is bumped out by their restrictions, and, even more funny, the bump out text is NOT w3c-compliant !!!!
I think this is the best joke of the year from Redmond ! Kudos to those guys ! they're more funny than David Letterman and Michael Moore together !!!!:-)))))))
I agree that old search engines have to worry... remember infoseek, excite,... ? they are dead or nearly... some changed to useless portals that nobody uses, because nobody knows them as web portals, and because they try to copy Yahoo, and they do it bad.
however:
"Yahoo has gone from the king of all search engines to a portal for sex chats, and a messaging client quickly losing its own little war."
That's simply not true:
1- Yahoo has never been a search engine, but a web index, which is very different. They added their search engine afterwards (it was Inktomi-powered in the beginning), along with other services... though i don't think it's widely used.
2- They have succeeded in becoming the only widely used general web portal without beeing an ISP or a traditional media (TV Channels, etc.).
3- Yahoo has established its brand, like AOL (*sob*)
4- Yahoo is the reference as web portal in fact.
5- Well... i like yahoo messenger ! (http://kyahoo.sf.net/) And it's not dead !!!;-))
What is important, is that, yes, there was a benefit beeing the first, but that didn't mean it was enough. Google is better than Altavista, yes, but altavista's quality went _down_ a lot, especially since Digital was bought by Compaq. Instead of doing the right move towards keeping it up with beeing the best search engine, they added a ton of services that nobody needed (the i-must-copy-yahoo syndrom), and that was actually turning it into a crappy and unreadable site (which was one the reasons why i stopped using it). They just changed their "business model" for the wrong one.
KDE is actually pseudo-2.2.1: We took 2.2, and merged all fixes from the stable CVS branch (and a couple of other patches).
Couldn't update to the official 2.2.1 because of the freeze - but the 2.2-* packages in 7.2 have all the fixes from 2.2.1 up to the day before it was released.
But what happens if we take the roswell pakages for KDE, available from kde.org ? will they work and be stable ?
Is there any update for 2.2.1 planned (i guess there is..) and when will it be out ?
But, close to that, here is my $ 10 000 000 multipart question:
why does KDE use aRts instead of esd, from the very beginning ? every application outta here uses esd, and especially commercial ones (flash, realplayer, etc.) ? why is aRts such an unstable thing (was leaking memory like hell in 2.2) ? why isn't aRts esd-compliant ?
Where did u get that information about Ukraine ? it's all false !!! Maybe that tactic u describe did happen, but not in that time and place. And i don't think that u exactly know what happened to KGB, its links with FSB, Mafia and such companies as Gasprom... and with Putin. As for the tactic, i doubt it would have been possible with chechens, who are arabic, muslims, and most of the fundamentalists. They aren't easy to infiltrate (same problem with talibans btw), not to talk about "simulate". U don't know what u're talking about, and ur post is troll.
Moreover, it's a "detail", but Russia should ask the return or Crimea to Russia, since it was transferred by Kroutchev (ukrainian guy, btw), from Russia to Ukraine in the 50's.
that's one of the things i really like: i synchronize PC address book and palm address book using KPilot, and then palm and my siemens S25 using DI27 and IR port... same database everywhere, and windows nowhere:))
did anyone make a comparison with kde's apps ?
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Evolution Bug-Hunt!
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could be interesting to test it as compared to KDE tools (KMail, KPilot, KOrganizer,...).
I was amazed by kde 2.2 for this suite. synchronize ur agenda with the pilot, and ur address book as well... and afterwards u have autocompletion for email addresses in KMail... this is great piece of software (though there remain some "bugs", like a huge slowdown when opening large mails).
anyway, if anyone has a link to a comparison between GNOME/Evolution and KDE on that point, would be nice:-))
i'm running it for a while, (i submitted the story on slashdot, but was rejected.. wonder who moderates sometimes..) and really it rocks.. new KWord is really impressive.. just hope they can manage to do an export for MSWord format, so i can get rid of vmware and win....
it's a real office suite, contrary to 1.0 version (even wonder why it's not 2.0 ?!)
just my (for now little) experience of the thing:))) good work guys !
Re:Slashdot readership stats ... get 'em fresh!
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Stopping The 56K Hate
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pfffffff... i dunno how that thing works exactly, but in KDE 2.2's konq, u can change the browser id that is sent just by using one click (was possible before using a deeply buried config menu). the same in opera for linux i think...
so, excuse me, but i think those stats have a reliability near zero. actually some sites are refusing "unknown" browsers, so u have to masquerad ur real browser/platform in order to make them work...
Ok, as u say, it's an international Forum.
So, here is what I say for France. Here, Software Patents and the equivalent of DMCA were decided by a bunch of european bureaucrats that weren't even elected. Sure advice was asked the EU's members, well... for Software Patents.. and see the results: they didn't listen to all the comment filled by the Eurolinux effort. Worse, in their conclusion, they ask for an "harmonisation" with US laws. as for the DMCA counterpart, they didn't even ask anyone.
So i can tell my mum (she's a vice-mayor of one of the cities near Paris) to tell her deputies friends not to vote it, they simply are obliged to vote it, because european laws tell the french ones.
And european laws are written by eurocrats that are under influence of a heavy lobbying system by large companies.
In what way is this democracy ? why bother voting to elect powerless deputies and so ?
And, well, i don't know for the US exactly, but i've heard that lobbying is even more powerful there, and ur comple voting system that elected Bush, even if he hadn't the majority of the voices shouldn't improve the situation in any way no ?
So i ask again: is this a real democratical behaviour ? don't u think capitalism turned into a "dictatorship of billionariat" (such as communism's "dictatorship of proletariat").
I'm voluntarily trying to shock there... so there is simplification, i know it...
well, certainly, but these are two sides of the same coin i think... no ?
and there is no lack of ownership: u still have the ownership (copyright), but u admit anyone else can take ur job, and somehow do whatever he wants about it, complying to some rules (licenses). it's slightly different. BSD license even allow u to integrate Free Software in commercial licensed programs.
i'll read ur links when i'll have time....
besides, i really hate when people compare communism to free software, especially considering millions of people killed by the communists, or the harm that socialism can do to a country (heavy, unefficient bureaucracy, etc.). FS is all about efficiency in that way.
Else, we could say soviet union, or china, were just bad implementations of the communist theory, and i don't like that, because communism is a faulty theory. FS is not a faulty theory, because it isn't aimed at beeing global, among others advantages.
It works great !!! I don't know what u use there, but here before PPPoE, there was only PPTP for ADSL. And PPTP is a big big big bullshit !
More, since when PPPoE force u to change ur IPs ? Here (again), some providers offer static IP address with PPPoE connexion (though u get disconnected periodically, but rp-pppoe reconnects quickly afterwards). And i'm not even sure this disconnexion is mandatory in PPPoE....
show me the "dictatorship of proletariat" in Free software.... that thing the soviets didn't ever get rid of...
and, besides, Free software is NOT about getting rid of ownership:
1- the copyright remains owned by the author
2- the aim of Free software is more to improve security, reliability, knowledge, efficiency, etc. than to deal with ownership. ownership is a side-effect.
3- lastely, in computer science, software is both the less important and the more important part: without software u do nothing, but with software, and without knowledge on how to use it, u do nothing as well. Free Software lets u have the software freely by all means, but u still need geeks to understand it;))
on last thing: i wonder what was Komitet Gossioudarstsvenoi Besopasnotsi's definition of freedom, especially in the Lubyanka's basements.
and besides,/. has sometimes a kinda freshmeat tone.. see here (freshmeat release announcment, 03 August 2001).
In fact, the only interesting part is the funny comments around the name... and of course, all the fuss about Taco's quote, at the end...
Web admins ARE lazy anyway. And often lack minimum knowledge. Like the ones trying to install a webmail, and asking "what is the use of those 'Alias' lines in the Apache configuration file ?".... yesyes, it happens... so i would say: blame both...
That's the silliest thing i've ever read here. Think a bit please, that's only rethorical writing !
1- NT is a bundle, with different pieces of software inside, so it will be very hard for MS to do so (well except for the code they've "borrowed" from *BSD;-))
2- what's the use ? i mean: see how complex is an OS, especially like NT (microkernel -or kinda-, etc.) so do u think really that MS customer will gain from having the source code ? it's also a joke with GNU/Linux. I think nobody on Earth has ever read every line of code included in common distros. It's simply not human, and it would take years to get in. Every GNU/Linux developer know his part and what he needs to make it work. rarely more. It would take years before a company is able to support such a big piece of Software. Even if it's IBM. The fact is that the companies that are the most able to support that are big companies like IBM. And in order to support NT, they probably should drop their support to other OS.. like.. say.. GNU/Linux. Is that what we want ?
3- Dealing with GNU/Linux.. well.. Mandrake has stopped supporting 6.x series. OK, the source code is available, but that's simply useless ! That's precisely the reason why distros exists btw. Should we force them to continue maintaining it instead ? odd.
4- In fact i see a lotta good side effects to the end of support of NT (as far as OSS/FS is concerned). Most people don't like to be left in the middle of the river like that. The problem is that the replacement for NT 4, w2k, wasn't available till last year, and stable and usable before mid-2000. So that's clearly forcing people to upgrade. I think, and well I know, as far as i've heard, that many IT staff are considering upgrading to.. Linux, *BSD or MacOSX in replacement for their NTs. Simply because they can't afford changing their OSes (especially on servers) every time MS releases a new version.
So, let 'em go, do their shit, and instead go back to your XEmacs, GVim, KDevelop, GLade or Whatever, and go on making GNU/Linux (or *BSD -BSD troll, any ?-)a true alternative to M$ Bull$hit
yeah, could be that too... therefore they are competitors to other Linux farms on x86... (i rmemebr that article on slashdot about what happened to SGI and so on, but can't find the link anymore...)
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the article is very confused, and the summary is not exact at all...
but i still have the fear that they don't really understand what a cookie is, what it allows, and the difference between a session cookie and a permanent cookie.
their fear is only that you store data about a user without warning him. that's ok, but we already have laws in Europe, enforced by special organizations (such as CNIL in France), to prevent this from happening, and that ensure the total control of a user over its data (well, theoretically for now, but those organizations will have more power very soon, according to an already voted law)
considering that, i have the feeling that this law can go only further, and prevent using cookies at all. it can be a good idea for permanent cookies to warn the user before he accepts it. but for session cookies it's simply stupid. we all know HTTP is a stateless protocol, and cookies are the only efficient technical way to implement session behaviour (there is even a RFC about that). warning the user before accepting a session cookie is stupid.. simply because the user doesn't know the difference between those two kinda cookies (nor those european deputies do, apparently)
/*
* linux/fs/ext3/inode.c
*
* Copyright (C) 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995
* Remy Card (card@masi.ibp.fr)
* Laboratoire MASI - Institut Blaise Pascal
* Universite Pierre et Marie Curie (Paris VI)
hmm.. that seems pretty European to me, no ?
RH avoided KDE for a while because of QT licensing problems.. they were slow on jumping back on the train afterwards and still remain GNOME oriented, but now KDE is supported (i guess this was the sense of ur European stuff..).
in the article, the microsoft guy claims:
s n.com
:-)))))))
"Visse said earlier Thursday that the message would be shown to people using "browsers that we know don't support (W3C) standards or that we can't insure will get a great experience for the customer." W3C refers to the World Wide Web Consortium, which is developing industry standards for Web technologies."
Now begins the funny stuff:
http://validator.w3.org/check/?uri=http%3A//www.m
yes: even the W3C validator is bumped out by their restrictions, and, even more funny, the bump out text is NOT w3c-compliant !!!!
I think this is the best joke of the year from Redmond ! Kudos to those guys ! they're more funny than David Letterman and Michael Moore together !!!!
I agree that old search engines have to worry... remember infoseek, excite, ... ? they are dead or nearly... some changed to useless portals that nobody uses, because nobody knows them as web portals, and because they try to copy Yahoo, and they do it bad.
;-))
however:
"Yahoo has gone from the king of all search engines to a portal for sex chats, and a messaging client quickly losing its own little war."
That's simply not true:
1- Yahoo has never been a search engine, but a web index, which is very different. They added their search engine afterwards (it was Inktomi-powered in the beginning), along with other services... though i don't think it's widely used.
2- They have succeeded in becoming the only widely used general web portal without beeing an ISP or a traditional media (TV Channels, etc.).
3- Yahoo has established its brand, like AOL (*sob*)
4- Yahoo is the reference as web portal in fact.
5- Well... i like yahoo messenger ! (http://kyahoo.sf.net/) And it's not dead !!!
What is important, is that, yes, there was a benefit beeing the first, but that didn't mean it was enough. Google is better than Altavista, yes, but altavista's quality went _down_ a lot, especially since Digital was bought by Compaq. Instead of doing the right move towards keeping it up with beeing the best search engine, they added a ton of services that nobody needed (the i-must-copy-yahoo syndrom), and that was actually turning it into a crappy and unreadable site (which was one the reasons why i stopped using it). They just changed their "business model" for the wrong one.
KDE is actually pseudo-2.2.1: We took 2.2, and merged all fixes from the stable CVS branch (and a couple of other patches). Couldn't update to the official 2.2.1 because of the freeze - but the 2.2-* packages in 7.2 have all the fixes from 2.2.1 up to the day before it was released.
But what happens if we take the roswell pakages for KDE, available from kde.org ? will they work and be stable ?
Is there any update for 2.2.1 planned (i guess there is..) and when will it be out ?
I like this idea a lot !
:-))
But, close to that, here is my $ 10 000 000 multipart question:
why does KDE use aRts instead of esd, from the very beginning ? every application outta here uses esd, and especially commercial ones (flash, realplayer, etc.) ? why is aRts such an unstable thing (was leaking memory like hell in 2.2) ? why isn't aRts esd-compliant ?
someone has any answer ?
From numerous accounts of individuals who were there, and saw nothing like u say.
2001-09-11 07:52:50 J2EE/Enhydra: What game is Sun playing with OSS (articles,sun) (rejected)
This is old news, yes, and, as ever, Slashdot moderators have to be blamed for that.
Where did u get that information about Ukraine ? it's all false !!! Maybe that tactic u describe did happen, but not in that time and place. And i don't think that u exactly know what happened to KGB, its links with FSB, Mafia and such companies as Gasprom... and with Putin. As for the tactic, i doubt it would have been possible with chechens, who are arabic, muslims, and most of the fundamentalists. They aren't easy to infiltrate (same problem with talibans btw), not to talk about "simulate". U don't know what u're talking about, and ur post is troll.
Moreover, it's a "detail", but Russia should ask the return or Crimea to Russia, since it was transferred by Kroutchev (ukrainian guy, btw), from Russia to Ukraine in the 50's.
that's one of the things i really like: i synchronize PC address book and palm address book using KPilot, and then palm and my siemens S25 using DI27 and IR port... same database everywhere, and windows nowhere :))
could be interesting to test it as compared to KDE tools (KMail, KPilot, KOrganizer, ...).
:-))
I was amazed by kde 2.2 for this suite. synchronize ur agenda with the pilot, and ur address book as well... and afterwards u have autocompletion for email addresses in KMail... this is great piece of software (though there remain some "bugs", like a huge slowdown when opening large mails).
anyway, if anyone has a link to a comparison between GNOME/Evolution and KDE on that point, would be nice
"Putin" isn't the correct spelling for "bitch" in French, it's "Putain".....
i'm running it for a while, (i submitted the story on slashdot, but was rejected.. wonder who moderates sometimes..) and really it rocks.. new KWord is really impressive.. just hope they can manage to do an export for MSWord format, so i can get rid of vmware and win....
:))) good work guys !
it's a real office suite, contrary to 1.0 version (even wonder why it's not 2.0 ?!)
just my (for now little) experience of the thing
pfffffff... i dunno how that thing works exactly, but in KDE 2.2's konq, u can change the browser id that is sent just by using one click (was possible before using a deeply buried config menu). the same in opera for linux i think...
so, excuse me, but i think those stats have a reliability near zero. actually some sites are refusing "unknown" browsers, so u have to masquerad ur real browser/platform in order to make them work...
Ok, as u say, it's an international Forum.
So, here is what I say for France. Here, Software Patents and the equivalent of DMCA were decided by a bunch of european bureaucrats that weren't even elected. Sure advice was asked the EU's members, well... for Software Patents.. and see the results: they didn't listen to all the comment filled by the Eurolinux effort. Worse, in their conclusion, they ask for an "harmonisation" with US laws. as for the DMCA counterpart, they didn't even ask anyone.
So i can tell my mum (she's a vice-mayor of one of the cities near Paris) to tell her deputies friends not to vote it, they simply are obliged to vote it, because european laws tell the french ones.
And european laws are written by eurocrats that are under influence of a heavy lobbying system by large companies.
In what way is this democracy ? why bother voting to elect powerless deputies and so ?
And, well, i don't know for the US exactly, but i've heard that lobbying is even more powerful there, and ur comple voting system that elected Bush, even if he hadn't the majority of the voices shouldn't improve the situation in any way no ?
So i ask again: is this a real democratical behaviour ? don't u think capitalism turned into a "dictatorship of billionariat" (such as communism's "dictatorship of proletariat").
I'm voluntarily trying to shock there... so there is simplification, i know it...
and Suse ? the OS/2 of Linux ?
... the petition against software patents here.
/. readers that haven't done it yet : sign ! sign ! sign !
so, for those (hopefully rare)
well, certainly, but these are two sides of the same coin i think... no ?
and there is no lack of ownership: u still have the ownership (copyright), but u admit anyone else can take ur job, and somehow do whatever he wants about it, complying to some rules (licenses). it's slightly different. BSD license even allow u to integrate Free Software in commercial licensed programs.
i'll read ur links when i'll have time....
besides, i really hate when people compare communism to free software, especially considering millions of people killed by the communists, or the harm that socialism can do to a country (heavy, unefficient bureaucracy, etc.). FS is all about efficiency in that way.
Else, we could say soviet union, or china, were just bad implementations of the communist theory, and i don't like that, because communism is a faulty theory. FS is not a faulty theory, because it isn't aimed at beeing global, among others advantages.
It works great !!! I don't know what u use there, but here before PPPoE, there was only PPTP for ADSL. And PPTP is a big big big bullshit ! More, since when PPPoE force u to change ur IPs ? Here (again), some providers offer static IP address with PPPoE connexion (though u get disconnected periodically, but rp-pppoe reconnects quickly afterwards). And i'm not even sure this disconnexion is mandatory in PPPoE....
show me the "dictatorship of proletariat" in Free software.... that thing the soviets didn't ever get rid of...
;))
and, besides, Free software is NOT about getting rid of ownership:
1- the copyright remains owned by the author
2- the aim of Free software is more to improve security, reliability, knowledge, efficiency, etc. than to deal with ownership. ownership is a side-effect.
3- lastely, in computer science, software is both the less important and the more important part: without software u do nothing, but with software, and without knowledge on how to use it, u do nothing as well. Free Software lets u have the software freely by all means, but u still need geeks to understand it
on last thing: i wonder what was Komitet Gossioudarstsvenoi Besopasnotsi's definition of freedom, especially in the Lubyanka's basements.
and besides, /. has sometimes a kinda freshmeat tone.. see here (freshmeat release announcment, 03 August 2001).
In fact, the only interesting part is the funny comments around the name... and of course, all the fuss about Taco's quote, at the end...
have a look here.
it's in French, but everyone should understand easily. last share value is right to "Dernier:".
Web admins ARE lazy anyway. And often lack minimum knowledge. Like the ones trying to install a webmail, and asking "what is the use of those 'Alias' lines in the Apache configuration file ?".... yesyes, it happens... so i would say: blame both...
That's the silliest thing i've ever read here. Think a bit please, that's only rethorical writing ! ;-))
1- NT is a bundle, with different pieces of software inside, so it will be very hard for MS to do so (well except for the code they've "borrowed" from *BSD
2- what's the use ? i mean: see how complex is an OS, especially like NT (microkernel -or kinda-, etc.) so do u think really that MS customer will gain from having the source code ? it's also a joke with GNU/Linux. I think nobody on Earth has ever read every line of code included in common distros. It's simply not human, and it would take years to get in. Every GNU/Linux developer know his part and what he needs to make it work. rarely more. It would take years before a company is able to support such a big piece of Software. Even if it's IBM. The fact is that the companies that are the most able to support that are big companies like IBM. And in order to support NT, they probably should drop their support to other OS.. like.. say.. GNU/Linux. Is that what we want ?
3- Dealing with GNU/Linux.. well.. Mandrake has stopped supporting 6.x series. OK, the source code is available, but that's simply useless ! That's precisely the reason why distros exists btw. Should we force them to continue maintaining it instead ? odd.
4- In fact i see a lotta good side effects to the end of support of NT (as far as OSS/FS is concerned). Most people don't like to be left in the middle of the river like that. The problem is that the replacement for NT 4, w2k, wasn't available till last year, and stable and usable before mid-2000. So that's clearly forcing people to upgrade. I think, and well I know, as far as i've heard, that many IT staff are considering upgrading to.. Linux, *BSD or MacOSX in replacement for their NTs. Simply because they can't afford changing their OSes (especially on servers) every time MS releases a new version.
So, let 'em go, do their shit, and instead go back to your XEmacs, GVim, KDevelop, GLade or Whatever, and go on making GNU/Linux (or *BSD -BSD troll, any ?-)a true alternative to M$ Bull$hit
yeah, could be that too... therefore they are competitors to other Linux farms on x86... (i rmemebr that article on slashdot about what happened to SGI and so on, but can't find the link anymore...)